Whenever I see someone using an em dash nowadays I immediately become suspicious of AI use

There is no respite and this will only get worse

I type — manually in HTML.

Good observation — an em dash may be used as an indicator for whether a text is written by artificial intelligence, however do note that some humans unironically use it too.

>>105853865 (OP)
I instructed GPT to write all of my papers without the em dash for this reason

>>105853879
Uhm, it's an indicator of good writing. Always has been. Issue is that GPT never switches things up so it's less obvious it was used.

>>105853903
>indicator of good writing
No it's not. Only pretentious faggots use it.

>>105853879
stop putting spaces around em dashes you fucking plebs

>>105853865 (OP)
My keyboard doesn't even have that key. I have no idea how to type it on Linux and I don't wanna know.

>>105853865 (OP)
I've been using em dashes long before ChatGPT came around. I'm a longtime fan of its versatility.

>>105854024
I use Alt+0151 on Windows.

>>105853865 (OP)
You, OP, are SUPER GAY!!!!!!!!! LM,AOOOOOOOOOO
idiot

>>105853865 (OP)
for me it's the "It's not X, it's Y" construction that's a little too clever.

>>105854024
>I have no idea how to type it on Linux
press ctrl+shift+u then type 2014.
you are welcome.

>>105853865 (OP)
Let me guess: American?

>>105853879
kek

>>105853865 (OP)
Why can't it just use ellipsis everywhere ... Then people will think my writing is just slop instead of terrible.

I'm sorry but if I can't get a character by pressing a key on my keyboard, I'm not using it. If I stoop to the level of learning even one random combination of numbers that correspond to something when holding down the alt key, then I'll have to learn a hundred more.
The phone keyboard has some interesting options though

>>105856564
And all the random funny characters I used got filtered out so never mind
Is this an em dash? — cause lol shit I do use them sometimes actually
—————————————————
For when I need to mark a gap between two different things in a discord, or even further back, Skype message

Using emdash and endash unironically is like tipping fedoras.

>>105853865 (OP)
>Writing uni stuff in LaTeX since 2016
>LaTeX replaces my dashes with em-dashes without me asking for it
>Don't care
>FF 2023
>Some dumb cunt starts the EM-DASH REEEE meme
>Realize
>FML
I'm unironically waiting for my university to contact me for this over "plagiarism suspicions". Its literally over for me because they won't be having it. 10 years of academia probably lost because of a fucking "reddit spacing" tier meme. I fucking hate normies so much, its unreal bros.

>>105853865 (OP)
I feel the same for emoji. I used to like them but nowadays it just means an llm is behind it

>>105853865 (OP)
use case for characters outside the printable ASCII range?

>>105858020
Image spending 10 years in academia and in the end being accused of plagiarism. lmao I fucking hate universities

Everyone uses -, no-one really uses — Irl. LLM uses it because it's found in actual books that it was trained on.

>>105853949
N — o

>>105854885
Use the compose key you mongoloid

>>105860054
>knowing how to insert any unicode character bad
/g/ - Technology

>>105860166
>remembering 100 arbitrary keycodes
vs
>typing symbols out in a natural way

>>105860179
>>remembering
/g/ - Technology

fucking RETARD

>>105853865 (OP)
Maybe, just maybe that's just how they type.

>>105853865 (OP)
it fucking sucks because i do it a lot in typing and i have to catch myself -- shit sucks man

>>105860287
>delusional schizophrenic rambling

>>105853865 (OP)
It's a little fucked because I actually did use em dashes and semicolons before AI.

What I suspect is AI is when there's an overtly formal verbose introduction to an email. Prior to ChatGPT, I never once saw someone write:

"I hope this email finds you well", followed by three or four long ass paragraphs for something could have been communicated in three sentences.

I actually quit a job impulsively back in March when I got an email like this. It's just fucking insulting.

That's why I only use the en dash. Now – no one knows I'm secretly an LLM.

>>105853865 (OP)
In summary, let's break it down.

>>105861334
>unable to use a search engine or to check (or build his own) table or characters
again, you are a fucking brainlet and you don't belong here

bump57

You will live to see a time where there will be robots walking around that will be indistinguishable from humans, and humans will have been conditioned into acting more like robots by then. You won't even be able to trust that anyone you see outside is a real person.

>>105853865 (OP)
lol if i put my dissertation into turnitin these days it'd probably fail just because of this. I loved using that shit and semicolons too.

I wonder how professors are acting to this now, they're probably seeing emojis to start new topics in turned in work lmao

>>105862208
>pretend gatekeeping to appear the most 4chan boy on the block
Whew lad, tone down on insecurity there. Looking up a keycode in a search engine or reinventing a wheel to type a character is beyond retarded when an easier alternative (the compose key) exists.

I can't recognise AI writing because I always make it talk to me in a cockney accent when I use it

For me, those small differences in punctuation do affect the tone of what I'm reading.
I've used em dashes for long time now, but only sparingly. I learned about them in a scientific writing course but obviously I had seen them before knowing whay they were called

Like this anon says (>>105858078)
It's used a lot in literature but I suppose some of that h
got lost in translation when our primary medium to consume writing became screens and not paper. (I was an on/off avid reader growing up)

this is subjective, but to me, an aside is better expressed through an en or em dash than a double hyphen

>>105863138
>gatekeeping
>googling shit instead of memorizing it is gatekeeping
/g/ - Technology

>>105853865 (OP)
That whole LLM-style is incredibly obnoxious and noticible. Every paragraph ending with that "Final thought--snappy closure." pattern. Sometimes they eschew the actual dash, but the structure is still the same. ChatGPT does it, Grok does. Not that I'm trying to imply I ever wasted any time thinking about Grok or that it would be better, but it just shows that they're all rooted in the same inescapable "cultural" lineage.

>>105853865 (OP)
>"The word for crisis and opportunity are the same." --Chinese saying
>"Dragons guard treasure." --Jordan B Peterson

You're looking at this the wrong way, OP. Fuck the system. Adopt their means and methods. What better way to escape their control than to slip into line between the robots? Who better to hide in the walls than a man who sounds like a machine—on purpose? Errors in computer code are called bugs. This traces back to legends of how the vacuum tubes and circuits of early computers would become physically damaged by insects getting trapped within them. According to some researchers, young women on roller skates would be employed to make the rounds, checking for moths to remove from the memory banks. They want to treat you like an insect? Then be one! Be a bug in their system. Trust me, they'll never see it coming—and you can take that to the bank!

>>105858026
Any heading starting with is a dead give away

>>105853865 (OP)
>>105853879
Two part sentence structure too (not only is... but also...)
Also use of lots of colorful adjectives, "to summarize... in conclusion..."
Annoying bullshit. I wish no one ever came up with AI

>>105853865 (OP)
Claude and Grok don't have this problem. I write my stuff in ChatGPT and pass it to Claude or Grok to strip out the AI bullshit.

>>105866554
It's the two-part sentence structure too — not only "not only is... but also..." — but also the overuse of colorful adjectives, and phrases like "to summarize" or "in conclusion."
Annoying bullshit. I wish no one had ever come up with AI.

>>105865816
That whole LLM style is incredibly obnoxious and noticeable. Every paragraph ends with that same "final thought — snappy closure" pattern. Sometimes they skip the actual dash, but the structure's still there. ChatGPT does it. Grok does it too.
Not that I’m trying to imply I’ve ever wasted time thinking about Grok or that it’s any better — it just goes to show they’re all rooted in the same inescapable “cultural” lineage.

>>105853865 (OP)
The em dash is the equivalent of pajeets using revert incorrectly in their stupid fucking email replies.

In the expanse of my literary pursuits—embracing everything from rigorous scholarly treatises to quotidian personal correspondences—I have, in an inexplicable oversight, never once employed the em-dash—a versatile punctuation mark esteemed for its ability to seamlessly conjoin related thoughts, to interject incisive clarifications, and to impart measured pauses—throughout the entirety of my writing life.

I use the double ASCII hyphen frequently--to wit, I just did so in this post. I use it both to demarcate a closing thought, as well as--when the mood strikes me--an interjunction or aside.

"I think you're an Indian," said the young white man as he prepared to ruin the day of another young white man.
"No," said the other young white man, "You."

"I wish I was surrounded by only white men," thought the young white men as they each lay awake in bed, brooding over and over how much they hated all the young white men with whom they had interacted that day.

>>105853865 (OP)
>>105858020
I use an llm to proofread my latex shit.
I intentionally replace all correct em dashes that are put into it with incorrect " - ", because I'd rather risk some extremely pedantic faggot pointing out this is slightly incorrect than indicating that this text has that much AI influence. Of course, I acknowledge the proof reading done by the llms, but I don't want to risk a detector flagging something as AI generated if it's simply touched up by an AI.

>>105853865 (OP)
i use semicolons; instead of commas :3

fk grammar nutcases i will personality my text! >.<

>>105858020
If you've been publishing your shit for 10 years now you're good, the ai em dash apocalypse is relatively recent. (1 year max, earlier version of gpt didn't use it)

>>105853865 (OP)
I used em dashes before they were uncool
>>105853949
No, I don’t think I will
I considered using thin spaces around them but I don’t have an easy way to type those
>>105854024
Compose and then three hyphens
>>105858078
I use it IRL
it’s great
Option-underscore, baby

Wait till you find out that AI renders quotes and apostrophes correctly. Typesetting is just one more thing AI does better than chuds.

>>105868239
I have to fight with LLMs to get them to not uncurl my quotes in my programs

>>105853949
It just looks wrong otherwise.
>>105856564
Simply become an iFag — emdash is simply -

>>105868569
opt-shift-- that is. I can never tell which bits of unicode are allowed here.

>>105868569
>It just looks wrong otherwise.
He's right. An n dash is used with spaces not an m dash..

>>105853865 (OP)
I'm a writer, and I love em dashes. I refuse to stop using them out of fear that some midwit will accuse me of using AI.

>>105869789
That's just one of the possible conventions. The most common in America, I assume. It looks wrong to me regardless.