What is your opinion on small form factor pcs?

>>105894209 (OP)
I want them to burn in hell. There is no use case. Either you're a faggot ass gamer, or you're working. Neither of those are the use case of a schizobox form minisforum.

>>105894209 (OP)
Interesting to look at, but useless.

Mini PCs on the other hand are great for many purposes. They're more like headless laptops though.

>>105894209 (OP)
Is this for Europeans?

>>105894209 (OP)
It's an abandonware due to the popularity of portable OLED panels, MAC minis, and AMD AI MAX 'puters.

>>105894311
the use case is being pretty

>>105894359
just buy a laptop at that point lol

>>105894409
Computers don't exist to "be pretty" tinkertranny.

>>105894409
>just buy a laptop at that point lol
yeah, this looks retarded as fuck, why would one do this lmao

>>105894209 (OP)
Dense ITX cases are cute, but suck to build in and upgrade, and ITX stuff in general costs more and comes with annoying limitations like too few USB ports on the back panel.

I prefer compact cases that still fit standard-size components, eg Lian Li A3.

>>105894416
It's a thing that sits in your home like a piece of furniture. Do you not care if your surroundings are ugly?

>>105894209 (OP)
I like ITX but the boards have gone so expensive over the last generation, most boards are in the $400-500 ballpark now.

>>105894433
>>105894409

You are both low IQ, if you do anything besides browsing the web on your laptop regardless if it's x86 or ARM, your battery will be gone within an hour.

>>105894416
>who's gonna tell him

>>105894449
not him but i don't care as long as my surroundings are clean. i got most of my furniture from thrift stores

>>105894479
then just plug it in? carrying around your macmini everywhere also needs an outlet anyway

>>105894500
You are obviously a mongrel; it isn't a solution for cafes or lounging in Starbucks. Why would I use a trackpad or overheating laptop with a shabby keyboard if I could take my 'outer outside on a porch and still get the same results? I have a small mechanical keyboard, and small mouse, I don't care. All laptops suck, I can replace my mini computer, or display anytime I want, and everything is portable.

>>105894311
What's the use case for picrel ?

>>105894209 (OP)
Meh. Everything is more expensive so the PC occupies a bit less useless space. Pretty gay overall, im sticking with full ATX because im not LGBTQ++++++.

>>105894479
this is just not true, I can work easily with my macbook pro m4 pro the whole day with multiple docker cointainers, figma and text editors and the battery won't die

>>105894601
There isn't one. It's tinkertranny slop and faggot in picrel needs to dilate.

>>105894311
Couple use cases:
-Students living in dorms or anyone else with limited space
-Anyone who travels between locations semi-regularly
Where in both cases they also want or need more performance or capability than can be had with a laptop.

>>105894660
Children are not real people.

>>105894209 (OP)
>small form factor pcs?
most expensive build possible
awful to work on
not expandable
worst possible thermals

sloptubers get paid to make these builds and they just trick the public into trying them

>>105894632
Ok, look at prices of m4pro 16 inch, they start at $2400. While same MINI pro costs $1500. 16 inch OLED screen is about $250. Plus you can use linux AMD RYZEN 395+, those machines are around $1400 now. Also I can just upgrade my machine without buying new screen, keyboard or mouse.

>>105894682
I don't have the m4pro 16" but the smaller one because I don't work at home every day but go outside and work. It is a nice machine. the keyboard I have here I am using for my desktop too so it's not dusting and monitors are not that expensive nowadays.

>>105894682
>moves goalpost after his made up shit didn't pan out
lol
>>105894701
seems like more of a reason to get the 16" to be desu
i use my 16" mostly docked, but if I rarely used it portably, I might be alright with the 14"

>>105894209 (OP)
They're worthless. Buy a full sized atx with 5 or more pcie slots and a laptop. Zero use case for this.

>>105894682
just say you're poor

>>105894677
>dozens of valid cons
true but also they are pretty!!

>>105894723
>seems like more of a reason to get the 16" to be desu
nah, I work from home only on monday and friday, the other days I am outside, and beside of that my co-worker has the 16" version and I didn't like its size and I got a desktop already so it's okay

>>105894601
SOVL

>>105894209 (OP)
>small
use case?

>>105894723
Ok, but when new m6 2nm comes around you will pay for OLED screen again? For new keyboard again? Like I get it if you are in airports and hotels, you are making bank and can afford it. I plan to move my mini 'puter from bed, desktop and porch.

>>105894745
>true but also they are pretty!!
I think we all make the small form factor mistake at least once. then we try to save others from making the same mistake. a mac mini is easily the best sff you could buy in terms of size, looks, and price. I literally tried to put a 4090 in a tiny case I saw optimum (a slop tuber) use and it ran hot and was a huge waste of money.

>>105894790
>>small
>use case?

>>105894748
>I work from home only on monday and friday,
that was my point
>>105894803
>Ok, but when new m6 2nm comes around you will pay for OLED screen again
probably not, but yeah I use it for work and could afford needless upgrades for fun. I don't think I would want to, though

>>105894745
Post picture of hundred racks with current date and time right now, or fuck off faggot.
>>105894832
Ok with your logic you should be using M1, who cares about upgrades if M4 is the same?

Small generic pc's are a weird compromise for people who dont care about best perf, best value, or small pc's.
Actual pcs allow you to install whatever is out on the market to achieve your desired end goal, and small purpose built minipc's are tiny, they can be lifted on one hand and they do tasks that dont require a lot of watts.

Mini itx is sorta aesthetics focused at the cost of everything else. It's not portably small, its more expensive, it requires compromises on parts you can use and how watt hungry they can be, requires dongles for more usb ports.
Good for men with a lot of money and desire to impress ladies I guess?

>>105894832
>that was my point
only for 2 days a 16"? nah and I must say I like the 14" size, not too small and not too big, for me it's perfect.

>>105894682
Or you can buy a used blade and get 96 cores and 512GB of RAM.

>>105894209 (OP)
I like the idea. Small computer. But the current trends in graphics cards and x64 CPUs is much more power which is a bad match for smaller systems. mITX motherboards are too limited as well. When the system is a bit slow for gaming use, say after 6 years, it is less useful in other roles due to the lack of expansion slots.

Overall it is hard to justify unless you are okay spending a good deal more money for a harder to work with, louder and less flexible set of components.

>>105894848
ok with your logic i should be using a 20 year old PC. Dunno where you got the idea that I was saying upgrades are never worth it.
>>105894882
no, for all the other days. the two days you're at home it doesn't matter if the built-in screen is tiny

>>105894209 (OP)
I've got an itx setup in a Streacom BC1 Mini. I like it. Doesn't take up much space. No compromise thermals. Cleaning dust out is easy af.

>>105894806
I have never and will never fall for this. I buy atx-e if possible and have a laptop for travel. There is obviously and clearly no point to a sff computer

when you end up wanting to build a NAS/Homelab whatever, you will want more pci slots and will regret buying that silly overpriced mini ITX mobo

>>105894209 (OP)
internet meme anyone using them in real life just has headaches with them

>>105894870
>desire to impress ladie
Ain't no ladies being impressed over your little metal boxen

>>105894920
>he uses scrap to build his nas instead of goysooming dedicated hardware components

>>105894929
women are impressed by AESTHETICS and MONEY

>>105894920
Once again tinkertranny, nobody cares about your data hoarder cum box.

>>105894945
only if you're low IQ and don't know how to talk

>>105894957
talking doesn't fix aesthetics but you're right about money

>>105894945
Women just want you to have a macbook

The first PC I built was stuffed with crap
>Full atx mobo
>CD read drive
>CD writer
>2 x hard drives
>Floppy disk drive
>Gpu
>Sound card
>Raid card
>Ethernet card
>Non modular psu with a bunch of extra cables
>Shitload of bulky pata cables connecting everything together
Since then many cases are much the same size of not bigger despite the typical components taking up about 1/3 of the space. Why do I need a case that's 2/3 empty? Small factor cases are long overdue frankly.

>>105894983
>Why do I need a case that's 2/3 empty?
easy to change things out, alot of room to maneuver

>>105894945
I see all the girl streamers with these big glass RGB-filled gayming PCs, pretty much the opposite of SFF

>>105894993
Pretty gay to make something 3x larger than necessary so it's slightly easier to put together. Building a computer nowadays is already much easier than it was 25 years ago without requiring an excessively large case.

>>105894806
I think I'm in the same boat. I still prefer the SFF style since I travel with it in a suitcase with the rest of my stuff, but I don't think I would ever recommend it to someone with all the hassle it was, especially since your part selection becomes almost entirely about controlling thermals.

>>105894870
This is the best explanation of it. They are for aesthetics-first customers like iMacs and designer hardware

>>105894929
They like the fact it sits in the corner and doesn't put on a disco show.

>>105894996
SSF are asian coded, plus some western modernist types who like helvetica enjoy them.

>>105894996
girl streamers selling an aesthetic to men and being "one of the boys, but sexy lol", using a PC likely purchased by a sponsor is not indicative of what your average woman would find nice looking
cmon nigga you know that wake up

>>105895019
You could just buy a laptop or a deck why are you putting a desktop in a suitcase that's crazy

>>105894963
>talking doesn't fix
it does fix both if the woman is not a whore. I am a manlet myself and had more GFs in my youth than my friends who were taller. Why? Because I can talk and am smart.

>>105894996
not the troons the troons all have SFF PCs

>>105895019
Check --> >>105894359 might be a good solution for you.

>>105895030
This is all you need to make women think you have money.

>>105895069
I need something that can do heavy gpu tasks for hours due to my job, so I figured I could either buy an expensive gaming laptop that would be obsolete in a few years or just upgrade my desktop to a sffpc and keep the GPU.

It's not large enough to be awkward but yeah I admit it's a weird use case.

>>105895104
I did actually consider something like that at the time. The new Mac minis are pretty neat

>>105895112
In Germany you unironically need money to buy even the cheesiest piece of ran down shit MacBook from 5 years ago.

t. have been hunting for a MacBook Pro M1 only to be outbid by winged monkeys in the last second.

>>105895147
Mini pros are pretty good on pair with American prices, MacBooks are still overpriced.

>>105895093
i was gonna throw in some additional "but you don't have to be rich or handsome necessarily either" blah blah but I figured it was verbose considering we're all >= 85 IQ adults here
either way, money is easier to "compensate" for than looks are. women don't even care about money.

t. been on both sides of having money and not

>>105895112

>>105895195
Yeah, the Amazon Prime Day Deal on them was also great. But I don't need a desktop, I've got a very high end system sitting below my desk.

I need a new laptop because my old ThinkPad is dying.

>>105895235
>>= 85 IQ adults here

>>105894436
how about making a case that fits only matx motherboard but is equivalent of an atx case in terms of how much there is space to work around with components?

atx case has 7 pci openings
itx doesnt really need more than 2

so make an atx case with the principle that everything is like business usual but give it only 2 pci openings and the case ends after those (there will be likely a power supply underneath the itx board, after those 2 slots for GPU (make it 2.5 wide for a good measure to fit cooler perfectly)

so now the case height should be about equivalent of 4 slots less of height than it was while the design was atx

and what about the depth of the case? or width? unchanged, the only idea was to make sure there is no unused space that comes from motherboard choice

I dont think there are such case

>>105895349
You kind of need at least 3 slots nowadays to fit most GPUs, and you really want direct access to outside air under the GPU, or plenty of room between the GPU and PSU.

>>105894209 (OP)
sffpc's are trash. There are very few reasons you'll need a tiny pc. Sure they are fun to build but otherwise useless, hot, dust collectors. Build a real pc.

>>105895554
I am not sure if you are trolling, but these two machines collect same amount of dust, ofc. If they are in same environment and have the same intake fans.

>>105895584
yeah and they'll both have the same amount of heat too

>>105895554
Mogged when will they learn?

>>105894209 (OP)
fun project for a manchild
computers don't need to be small, it's a ridiculous thing to constrain yourself with

I bought a shuttle PC way back when I was in college. Pretty sure they're out of business now. It was tiny so I could have a good computer in the dorms. Ended up taking the entire cover (top and sides) off and placing a big box fan next it to be able to use it without it overheating.

never again

>>105895697
Shuttle is still around, believe it or not. Their consumer sales are probably nonexistant these days though.

>>105894209 (OP)
I really want them to be able to handle high end GPUs. They need to figure out how to make GPUs smaller

>>105895856
5090 FE is dual slot

>>105894355
Neat all-in-one emulators up to the PS3 for the more powerful ones. On the other hand small form factor pcs seem like a feeble middle-ground between them and full ATX towers.

>>105896032
Low profile, no, right? Still it Winny for well in there

>>105895584
>these two machines collect same amount of dust
wrong, fucking idiot. larger machine has a larger surface area so more dust can collect, assuming uniform volumetric dust distribution. assuming same fan flowrate, the small one will accumulate the same amount of dust on it's filters as the larger one, but with smaller filters they will clog faster.
tl;dr cases should be even smaller and you clean them every day.

>>105894209 (OP)
I keep my PC on my table because it makes cable management on a sit/stand desk easier. Next PC will definitely be some flavour of SFF. I always seem to run out of desk space.

>>105894209 (OP)
they're great if you want a couch setup for vidya or if you move have to move your PC around a lot for whatever reason. Compactness is nice too if you're pressed for space

If none of these apply then of course don't go for one
I'm thinking of building one for my next big upgrade, I've seen a few versions that can fit a full size GPU which is typically all I'll need to worry about upgrading going forward

>>105896610
>That pic
Me and who??

>>105896345
Buy a bigger desk. Mine is 6'x3'

>>105896688
you and a lucky lady, man, or a secret third things someday anon, inshallah

>>105896265
>>105894355
Add in a eGPU for when you need the power. And you got yourself fully functioning system. Just an extra $50 for eGPU adapter kit.

Really dense ITX stuff is gay imo, but there's also no reason whatsoever for the vast majority of people to have fuckhuge ATX towers with a generic setup of 1 GPU and 1 M2 SSD. There's LITERALLY no reason to not build a nice mATX system in 2025.

>>105894355
I still own one with a Pentium 4 in it.

>>105895112
>>105895147
If you're treating Apple like some pimp and buying a MacBook just for some art school pussy, skip the middle man and pay a prostitute.

>>105894436
I did a Dan A3 build just recently for lounge room gayming. Was really fun.

>>105894355
I'm getting an HP Z230 small form factor given to me after an upcoming office PC replacement. Gonna see if I can make a Plex server out of it.

Don't know if it can handle it, never tried it before.

>>105894601
There is a third way.
mATX.

disposeable ewaste should be a crime to purchase, manufacture, advertise

>>105894209 (OP)
Mostly a meme, especially since GPUs in the R9 Nano size aren't being made anymore.
Just build a midtower, you'll exchange slightly more space used for real upgradability in the future.

>>105894209 (OP)
Not practical, but very cool and satisfying to plan and build. Would never use one myself though.

>>105896811
The fuck else would you buy an apple computer for

i grew out of the idea when ITX boards started being more expensive than mATX boards

>>105896921
>GPUs in the R9 Nano size aren't being made anymore
uhh

>>105896938
I honestly have no idea anon.

>>105896721
I'm a heterosexual man, I hope for a good woman.

>>105896974
>3050
I mean ones with real power for the time, like how the R9 Nano was comparable to the 980. Where's the mini 5080 or 9070xt?

>>105894209 (OP)
>small form factor
yes, you could probably move smells around with expedited mobility if you wanted.
Or I guess to filter and deodorize any unwanted scents.
It's a PC. a PERSONAL computer. You can do whatever you want with it.
Although some of those 'wants' might put you on lists with some Federal Agencies.

>>105894209 (OP)
I build systems as a side hustle. Nobody wants full tower cases anymore. The ONLY thing that goes into builds is the GPU. No hard drives, just NVMe. No dedicated expansion cards, just use what's on the mobo. Etc. Micro ATX cases, Micro ATX boards, full length GPU, tower cooler/all in one+rad, NVMe, some fans to direct air flow. That's it. Full tower case makes zero sense in this day and age.

>>105894209 (OP)
Poor usability, poor upgradability, too many limitations on the choice of components and cooling, lower than otherwise possible performance. I don't know how to justify this.

>>105897161
Just buy a console at that point

>>105895697
>Ended up taking the entire cover (top and sides) off and placing a big box fan next it to be able to use it without it overheating.
Same, except the reason mine is sans-sides is because I made a funny joke.
Also I lost the screws for the side panel. and I'm not sure where I set the roll of tape last.

I enjoy reading other posts and thinking how crazy it is that other people share the same life as I do, just in another part of the world.

>>105897197
>Just buy a console at that point
>limited choices of games
>paid online
>getting spammed ads on the dashboard
getting something like a Steam OS console build in current year is the best of both worlds unless you like nintendo exclusives or something

>>105894209 (OP)
Is it meme?
Condense many performance parts into tiny space....???
Have to be watercooled, at least with radiator outside, yes?
Seems that's where industry is going, toward efficiency. Small builds may become more viable without castrating power

>>105897197
Console don’t have 5090s and 15gb/s NVMe retard

>>105896811
No such intentions here, I just wanted to check out MacOS and the M1 chip.

>>105897318
Lol come on most of these cuckboxes have 5060s in them

>>105897369
Sounds like a poor (You) problem

>>105897387
I have an adult sized computer with 14tbs of spinning rust and a nvme with a 9070ti and 10 case fans

>>105895147
Why bother with a m1 though, m4 multi core is twice the bench of m1. It’s time to put that old work horse to pasture.

https://www.edustore.de/en/shop/mac-mini/mac-mini-256/

>>105897420
Sorry meant xt. I really wish they hadn't fucked with their naming conventions

>>105897420
I’m not a fucking moron like you and keep my 60 tb of loud spinning disks in a closet in my laundry room where I can’t hear it. Added benefit is that ANY device in my network can access media off it. LOL

>>105897428
I could've gotten one for 555€ during the Amazon prime deal. >>105895284
But I don't need a stationary device, I've got a fuckhueg Desktop that I'll use until it dies.
My Laptop on the other hand is slowly dying and the battery life of 90 to 110 minutes is nothing I wish to keep dealing with.

>>105897461
M4 mini plus iPad Pro is the power combo of the future breh

>>105897469
I've got a perfectly fine working Galaxy Tab

>>105897469
Lol why would you buy iPad Pro just for display? You can buy cheap OLED 3k 120hz panel. >>105894359

>>105897492
Doesn’t have a m4 chip bro

>>105897454
Send pics and vids

>>105897493
Mobile = iPad Pro
Desktop = m4 Mini

Holy retardo

>>105894209 (OP)
It's a console if you want to play games on it and becomes a space heater because the airflow tends to suck.

>>105894209 (OP)
I travel from place to place every few months and that's about the only portability I need. I don't want to spend the same money on a macbook just so I can use it in some fucking airport café and have it run hot on video games the other 40% of the time I use it, so this is perfect. I can just pop it in a suitcase and take it with me, even on flights. I use a Formd T1 with a 5070Ti and it's perfectly silent, doesn't run too hot and fits in a camera bag. Though if you go smaller than whatever I have it limits your options and you might as well just go for a Mac mini or something. Anyway, poorfags and parochial peasants BTFO.

$1200 on core components.
$400 extra spent on adapters, specific length cables, cable management tools, extra heatsinks and special fans

>>105894209 (OP)
minimalism is for retards

>>105896974
The r9 nano wasn’t a mid tier gpu anon, it was a higher end sku.
The R9 Fury Nano was a GTX 980 competitor, required only a single 8 pin and was 170mm long (itx board length)
Closest we got was the single fan GTX 1070 and zotac tried with the 1080 mini but that was still bigger than 170mm, no high end gpu has come close since.

>>105897602
If aesthetics are retarded I don't wanna be smart

>>105894209 (OP)
I like small form factor women

>>105897684
Well good thing you don't need to change much then?

>>105894209 (OP)
No point. If you need to travel a lot, a laptop is better.
Picrel is my case.

>>105897756
pic
>>105897684
don't worry anon, I got u

>>105895446
>, and you really want direct access to outside air under the GPU

PSU into the top and problem is solved

>>105894436
>Cute
Post tits?

>>105894209 (OP)
Small gaming machine is just a useless hobby for nerds.

Small PCs in general are crippled by cables. Why can't my Pi0W connect wirelessly to a monitor? This should be standard tech by now, I should tap my mPC (micro-Penis Computer) to the side of a monitor and instantly have it display.

Small PCs are nice but useless because they don't do anything other than sit there.

they make poor people here seethe so I'm in favour of them

I tried it for a while. The concept seemed fun, but ultimately it ended up being too limiting, and kinda a pain in the ass.

pointless
you're poor and can't afford to upgrade a flagship gaming laptop? buy a full size tower and monitor gpu trackers for deals
not poor? gaming laptop

>>105898576
I like this. If they made it taller to fit modern gpu, I would buy.

>>105898839
there is literally no reason to ever spend your money on a gaming laptop

>>105898872
I only buy blower GPU's so I had no issues with fitment. RTX A4000 fit, which also means my 4070TiS would have fit fine.

>>105899009
>t. poor

>>105898839
You are aware that small form factor PCs can be very expensive, right? And that people use computers for things other than playing faggot ass games?

>>105899208
>And that people use computers for things other than playing faggot ass games?
literally nobody uses small factor PCs for anything other than playing faggot ass games, stop coping

>>105899262
you do realize they are computers? Why would the use cases be any less varied than another form factor?

>>105899279
why would there be any cases where small form factor is a benefit compared to a full tower or a laptop, retard
small is by definition significantly more limited, you can't shove HDD storage or any amount of extensions in it

>>105899308
>you can't shove HDD storage or any amount of extensions in it
but enough about laptops...

>>105895554
i remember when i had a big one like that. i was 14

>>105899308
just think about that for one second and you'd figure it out. It's smaller, so it's more portable and takes up less space to stoee
>but but computer shouldn't be portable buy a gaming laptop or or
you allowed to decide its not an appealing option but if there weren't people using them then the components wouldn't be selling. Also it's not the 2000s people don't justify their purchase by how many hard drives they can cram into a case.

>>105899336
>smaller, so it's more portable
>portable DESKTOP
just think about that for one second and you will realize that you're a retard
it's no more portable than a full tower, you still aren't going to put it in your backpack and you still need to haul a display and all the peripherals
what is the magical real world use case your delusional brain can conjure where it has any benefits over a beefy modern laptop or a normal tower?
>but if there weren't people using them then the components wouldn't be selling
just because some people prefer fashionable small cute PCs doesn't mean there is any real world benefit beyond looks

>>105899391
I think you're being intentionally dense, you could literally just google what people use them for if you're actually curious. So far I've seen people mention travel, living in dorms that have limited space, or working in places that already have peripherals like front desks.
>just because people prefer fashionable small cute PCs
I don't know why you think that isn't a genuine benefit. If you build it properly you wont't have any downsides to having a SFF. Yeah, you can't have double 4090s and 8 3.5" HDDs in it, but that's not a deal breaker for 99% of people. Some people are just willing to pay a premium for something that looks nicer and is smaller, even if they aren't getting some exceptionally unique use case out of it.

>>105899441
you're talking to a gaming laptop owner, he's dense but i don't think it's intentional

I built an (lol)Lan, Steam Machine rig for low-to-medium resource-intense games, because fuck sitting through the same splash screens everytime I want to play an RPG.

I still have a high-end Windows gaming rig, along with a PS5 Pro for the odd game, but the quick-resume function of Steam OS is fucking awesome.

the reason SFF shit is so expensive is because nobody buys that shit, they have smaller production runs because they are niche.
if anything it only exists because some people are extremely autistic about packing as much computer as they can into a small box, not sure why manufacturers aren't pushing it because it costs them less in materials and they take up less space in storage/shipping.
turns out people like having room for upgrades and not having to buy an entirely new case because their new graphics card is 1cm longer.

>>105899447
lmao

>>105899441
>you could literally just google more cope
>travel
good laptop is better by a mile
how do you even travel with a desktop, what the fuck kind of cope did you find
>living in dorms that have limited space
if you live in a japanese cell housing, that could be an argument, but there's no dorm that doesn't have 80 cubic inches of space you're saving with small form factor
>working in places that already have peripherals like front desks.
sure, I grant you this. Small factor PCs are made for weird receptionists that somehow aren't provisioned with a station by the company, I hope you're happy with winning the argument here
>If you build it properly you wont't have any downsides
right, you're saying yourself that you gotta work AROUND the shit form factor to get any benefit over a normal tower, so you're arguing against yourself here
>Some people are just willing to pay a premium for something that looks nicer and is smaller
that's what I'm telling you and you keep arguing with me about it: zero benefits over a tower or a laptop except for looks
>>105899447
cope

>take a desktop pc
>make it smaller
GGGRRRAAAAAHHH NOOOOOOO DONT DO THAAAAT

>>105899494
>the reason SFF shit is so expensive is because nobody buys that shit

Yes and no;
With ATX, engineers have a lot more space to work with, and aren't as confined for board real-estate. If sales were the case, then mATX would be hella expensive. In fact, low-end ITX is downright cheap compared to m/ATX equivalents.

With ITX, you're suddenly adding complexity to the design, as engineers have to compensate for the sheer lack of space, hence why you see m.2 daughterboards on the high-ends. By all means, you're not wrong, but it's definitely not the sole reason.

mini itx pc's elegance is so far behind actual small form factor units

redundant metal and plastic everywhere taking space because its a generic pc, fans everywhere 1cm away from the case walls, inefficient cooling fins placement for the components

>>105894311
I'M GOING TO LAN PARTYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!

>>105894209 (OP)
expensive, annoying and lacking any benefits in exchange
tranny aesthetics-over-function garbage

You guys need to calm down about other people's "non-functional" hobbies. I'm sure a lot of you are using mechanical keyboards "because it makes me type faster" when a $5 keyboard will work the same.

mATX that can fit ATX PSUs and a double tower air cooler or double fan AIO.

most of the advantage without the cost premium or cooling and noise weakness.

>>105899758
>asks question
>doesn't like the answer
>CALM DOWN NO NEED TO BTFO ME SO HARD
getting your "battlestation" all cute and pretty is absolutely a valid normalfaggot hobby, but you should started the thread with that if you didn't want to hear the facts about the form factor, generic /g/ tranny obsession notwithstanding