use case?

>>105924795 (OP)
um, switch?

CAT7 isn't a real spec. Use CAT6A or CAT8

>>105924795 (OP)
i use
>SNOWKIDS Pack of 2 Cat 8 LAN Cable 8 m, 40 Gbps Network Cable High Speed 2000 MHz S/FTP Ethernet Cable POE Gigabit RJ45 Nylon Braided Gold-Plated
to connect my xbox to lan wall socket in my apartment.
my home internet is 100mbps btw.

>>105924795 (OP)
40gb patch cable. Don't try to Monster-ize Ethernet cable. It's supposed to be cheap shit. Just don't buy from random chinks on Amazon and you won't have problems.

>>105924795 (OP)
10+GBE

>>105924795 (OP)
Short distance highspeed patch cables.

fibre ethernet when?

porn

>>105926400
Hopefully never, fiber is terrible to work with

>>105924795 (OP)
netwrok

Noose

>>105926423
How so?
No issues with fibre internet

>>105927707
It's kinda shit for indoor networking since you can't bend it too much. Especially if you have to install it in an existing building. Also splicing tools are expensive

>>105927707
It's a pain to terminate so you (generally) need to pre-measure all your runs and then buy fiber cables pre-made to the proper length.

Unless you want to buy splicing gear and do it yourself, but basic gear will run $500+ and anything actually good will run a few thousand dollars.

And as mentioned the bend radius is also kinda shitty so you're more limited in the installation compared to CAT5/6 runs.

>>105927801
>>105927850
>bend radius is shit
What stops you from doing picrel? You lay the cables in the walls anyway.

>>105924795 (OP)
Networking

>>105928674
>You lay the cables in the walls anyway
Generally you're doing it through existing construction where you're probably not going to rip out half your walls to run some fiber, you'll want to use existing coaxial/ethernet runs which likely won't be perfectly compatible with fiber, though in some cases it is.

obviously if you're building from scratch you can install dedicated conduit in your wall with the proper bend clearances for whatever you need.

>>105924795 (OP)
My negro, wifi is gigabit now, wtf you still use cables

>>105926400
https://ultraethernet.org/

>>105928726
Latency and jitter still matters

also I'm not the OP, but I've got 2500mbps internet, which is doable with wifi 7 and 6ghz, but most devices don't support that so you'll be lucky to see ~1.5Gbps, let alone 2gbps+.

>>105928747
What's the use case when all servers you connect to won't serve faster than 100 Mbps (if you are very lucky)?

>>105928726
>wifi
Go back to playing candy crush, zoom zoom

>>105925542
If you have a wall socket you probably need to make sure your cables are terminated in the same format as the keystone jacks. Otherwise the 100mbps limit is exactly what Will happen.

>>105928922
>ping "spikes" from 20ms to 40ms (horror)
>blames it on the lag
shiggidy

>>105925697
Cat 6A does that as well with a much thinner cable.
If you need more just use fibre optic cables and 2 SFP+ converters.

>>105928793
lol what?

basically all major gaming services are hosted on servers that will do gigabit or more.

Rockstar's launcher will even serve over 2gbps.

>>105929013
On wifi, depending on the client device, you can see 150ms+ even if the connection from the router onward is less than 20ms. Wireless just introduces a lot of variables, many of which you can't easily mitigate yourself, depending on the RF conditions of your area.

>>105928726
>gigabit
Here in the backwoods of Florida we have 8 gig fiber. If you live in a black neighborhood maybe you're stuck with 2.5gb cable. Even for niggers dual stream 6GHz is a little underpowered and damned finnicky.

>>105928793
Sounds like you have a broken wire pair between your modem and PC.

>>105924864
Anything above CAT6A is useless as if you go by the book you need shielded cable and GG45 or TERA. Not to mention there *literally* is no 25GBASE-T or 40GBASE-T devices which use any of the ports mentioned above.

Use fiber when going above 10G and even with 10G if it makes sense in your use case.

>>105928726
WiFi isn't full duplex yet doe

>>105929507
Use case?

>>105929507
With the proper MLO mode it is pseudo-full duplex.

Too bad basically no wifi 7 hardware supports those MLO modes and the hardware that does support it on paper generally doesn't in real-world practice.

>>105929518
torrents

>>105928958
apartment is fitted with 1gbps sockets/wiring. although i have 100mbps plan - my downloads on xbox sometimes randomly go up to 200-250mbps when downloading games over cable (never happens over wifi). have no idea how it works lol, because my isp did not upgrade the plan or anything. but happens only on xbox.
idk maybe some local or p2p downloads that they are using are giving higher speeds.
but those cat 8s i got for tv+xbox mostly because they have very heavy-duty-like braiding - so that my cat wont randomly chew the cable (which happened in the past with 'regular' ethernet cables without nylon braiding)

>>105924795 (OP)
PATCH CORD
PATCH CORD

>>105924795 (OP)
Ironic because I got a "cat8" cable from amazon overstock
Even came with a certificate with screenshots from a Fluke tester showing it could do 40gb
Ran fine with 10gb, but not at 2.5gb
I about went nuts for a second thinking I got a bum switch as it would only negotiate 100mbps after 30 seconds.

>>105929518
Almost every single networking use-case benefits from full duplex save from obscure niche technologies like dumb audio or video streaming (i.e. multicast) where you're just getting data thrown at you with no need for a response.
Even downloading files is a two-way conversation, web browsing and media streaming? Lol enjoy waiting.
Idk go read a book or something :3

>>105929755
You got scammed anon, if it was a real fluke test showing it can operate at the frequency required for 40Gb
Your 2.5Gb nic probably just can't error correct as well as whatever 10Gb NIC you used

>>105929755
Shit like this is why I just to go monoprice for network cable 99% of the time.

>>105929878
Probably just has a bad crimp on one side if it's falling back to 100M.

>>105924795 (OP)
trunk line

>>105925542
>CAT 5e 200 meters from your wall to the apartment switch.

>>105929626
Your ISP has a shared line with a max throughput. some will enforce it heavily per customer, but some are more forgiving.

>>105929878
They where $1 as it was an overstock store
IDK if it was frequency or speed that was shown, this was quite a few years ago.

I'm more thinking that it was a quirk with intel 2.5gb NICs because one of the first suggestions from intel was to try a different cable even if the cable you have seems perfectly fine. A beat up cat5e cable negotiated 2.5gb instantly

I just find it weird that the same cable never had an issue with 10g. It sat between an aquantia nic and a no name 10g base-t sfp

>>105928958
lol, WRONG.

as long as both ends of a single segment are terminated the same way it makes no giggly fuck difference what the haha color pattern is you silly faggot.

>>105924795 (OP)
cdn infrastructure

>>105930578
nobody but gaymers and homoners buys cat8
show me the 40gbase-t adapters these cdns are supposedly using

>>105930130
Then why do the keystone jacks i buy have diagrams for both A and B type?

>>105930993
It exists as an IEEE standard, but was never implemented by any vendor as far as I'm aware, i've never seen any 40GBase-T PHYs on ANY network hardware, even dedicated enterprise/datacenter stuff.

Basically everyone will just buy pre-made direct-attach copper SFP56/QSFP+/etc in whatever length is needed. And obviously you'll bust out fiber modules for anything longer distance.

CAT8 is 100% a meme for gaymer morons and people who just don't know any better.

>>105931262
For ancient adapters without auto MDI-X. As long as all 4 pairs are connected a modern adapter will basically figure it out.

>>105928747
>>105928922
i stream VR from my desktop over gigabit Wifi to my quest 3 with no noticeable latency or drop in quality over wired

>>105925574
surely you meant buy from reputable chink brands because you will get the same cable for 1/10 of the price you'd play for am*ritard cables

>>105931521
Not all of us live in the boonies with zero RFI

>>105931553
im in a suburb in the densest part of the USA so i dont know what you mean by that

>>105931521
You just don't care or don't notice.

It 100% has latency, I've used a Quest 3 as well and had latency even when getting 2400mbps link speed.

If you play beatsaber or other latency sensitive games it becomes super obvious.

It's why I got rid of my Quest 3

>>105931648
are you on windows? cuz im doing this on linux and im playing mostly shooters and gooning, nothing to complain

>>105931662
I dual boot and used it on both and the issue persisted on both.

You're just not that sensitive to latency and are doing shit that doesn't need super fast response.

Wireless is just inherently going to have more latency, it's just the laws of physics compared to using a directly connected wire.

For plenty of use cases it won't matter, but things like beatsaber that require low latency just feel way worse on wireless headsets.


I will say, the Quest 3 wireless is MUCH better than the vast majority of other headsets out there, but it's still not better than or equal to wired latency.

>>105929903
cat5e is the best
thin, bendy, cheap, naturally interference resistant

>>105931598
Now do it next to an Airforce base.

>>105931707
There are cases in noisy RF/EMI environments where CAT6A will greatly improve things, especially for multi-gigabit networks. Doubly so if your Ethernet runs happen to parallel or crossover electrical wiring.

>>105931718
in those cases it's shielding that will improve things. there are shielded 5e variants.

>>105931546
Nah you pay about $90 for 500ft either way. The trick to American cables is you buy from contractor supply and home improvement shops not BestBuy.

Even the crazy MIC shit isn't that expensive. Like 5x more for top end Belden maybe.

>>105931733
Is shielded 5e significantly cheaper than 6a?

If not id still but 6a if usually in 2025+.

>>105932792
>usually
Installing

>>105924795 (OP)
40GBASE-T.
Now go be a retard elsewhere.

>>105928726
>wifi is gigabit now
Kids say the darndest things.
Try running 25 gigabits over your toy radio.

>>105932984
Doesn't exist see >>105931393

>>105933101
>i cant afford it so it doesnt exist
k

>>105925542
And the cable still throttles it.

Just buy 6a off eBay

>>105927707
Try to connect a workstation to a switch mounted under a normal office desk, using fiber, and then get back at me.

>>105928674
The thing that forces you to use that tight bend will also be in the way of the loop.

>>105924795 (OP)
Stick it in your pee hole

>>105929626
That's why it's called a cat cable.

I love how the NEETs are parroting "minimum bend radius" because they saw it in a YT video.
In reality, the only broken fibre I've ever seen was because some contract floor-sweeper (the only time a /g/tard would actually been allowed near fibre-based infra) literally closed a door on it.

>>105928747
SQM solves your problem as long as your router isn't complete doodoo

>>105933181
Well the latency/jitter part anyway, Wifi 7 + openwrt is a nightmare right now

>>105928726
zoom zoom

>>105933016
Use case for 25Gbit that is not downloading toys from Steam?

>>105933401
>use case for electricity?
>use case for wheels?
>use case for cooking?
>use case for evolving beyond prosimians?

>>105933420
>deflection
I accept your concession

>>105928726
>kuh clunk
>beep beep beep
>whiiiirrrrrr
Oops, now it's 0.

>>105933443
Oops, now your cable is damaged and your laptop flew across the room.

>>105933420
unironically none

>>105933430
>>105933628
I love how this (likely brown) creature that only exists because of NEETbux (a very recent invention) thinks it has "won" anything.

>>105928726
nice bait

>>105933401
streaming uncompressed 4K video from your NAS over the local network
Go on, do it. I dare you.
http://download.opencontent.netflix.com.s3.amazonaws.com/index.html?prefix=SolLevante/hdr10/

>tfw stuck with cat 5 cables fixed to the walls

>>105933109
It exists as a standard but nobody uses it because DAC cables and SFP transceiver modules are much cost effective and aren't restricted to 30 metres at 40 Gb/s or 100 metres at 25 Gb/s as cat 8 cables.
QSFP28 can do 100 Gb/s at the same price. QSFP56 can do 200 Gb/s, QSFP-DD can do 400 Gb/s or even 800 Gb/s.
You will never have these kind of speeds over a single RJ45 port.

>have to rewire one end of an ethernet cable
>2 hours later i still didn't manage to get all 8 wires in correctly because they keep swapping once i put them into the connector, or they don't make contact
fug
should i go for the passthrough connectors?
iirc they have a higher chance to have the wire slip out down the line

>>105934580
You're not straightening the wire enough. 2-part crimps will help a little. Filename is a monoprice part number. Passthrough is acceptable as long as it isn't outdoors, but it's kinda shitty and expensive.

Try getting a wire straightener if the cable is extremely difficult and installed such that it can't be thrown away easily. Just the little 3-wheel folding kind they sell at arts & crafts stores. Sometimes with really old / bad insulation the wire will snap before the jacket straightens and you have to throw it out anyway.

>>105933109
Show me a 40GBase-T PHY at any price.

I'll wait.

>>105933529
>stuck on laptop
>can't afford docking station
truly the 3rd world is hell

>>105933401
Transferring files across the network almost as fast as M.2 drives can write. 8 bay NAS.

I know zoomers grew up accustomed to network speed poverty, but back in the old days they used to want LAN to be as fast as local storage or pretty near.

Still don't understand why internet gets its own type of cable. Why don't we just use e.g. USB-C?

>>105936759
USB length is shit.

With passive (copper) USB cables you're getting ~3 meters at 10gbps, ~1.5 meter at 20gbps, and less than 1 meter (~0.8 meters) for 40gbps and 80gbps.

>>105927801
>>105927850
Maybe it has to do with the cable thickness itself, but I have recently bought a 5m fibre HDMI cable, and it is much easier to coil up than my old 3m HDMI cable, because the fibre one is only half as thick.
Would the same not apply to a network cable? It would be much thinner and thus even be easier to install. Sure, you cannot bend it, but can you really bend a regular ethernet cable without it breaking? The bend point is always a weakness.

>>105928726
>using WiFi on anything but mobile devices
Are you retarded? WiFi is shit tech.

>>105933732

>>105936999
You can get bend-insensitive fiber optic cabling, but you're paying for it.

CAT6A is ~$0.25-0.50 per foot
Bend-insensitive fiber can be $1-2 per foot (though sometimes less if bought in bulk).


Generally though CAT6A has a minimum bend radius of ~6-8x the outer diameter of the cable.

Regular fiber optic cable has a minimum bend radius of ~20x the outer diameter of the cable when under tension, and ~10x the outer diameter when slack.

Bend insensitive fiber can have a minimum bend radius of ~2.5x the outer diameter, but it will vary depending on the specific type of bend insensitive fiber, cheaper BIF would be more like ~3.5-5x the outer diameter.

So a 2mm diameter cable would need ~20-40mm bend radius using a traditional fiber cable, but could be as low as ~5mm if using high-end BIF cables.

CAT6A assuming a ~6.7mm outer diameter cable would need ~45-55mm bend radius.


tldr; CAT6A has a similar (or even slightly larger) bend radius requirement since the cable is generally ~3x thicker than fiber.

Though it's significantly cheaper than BIF fiber, so unless you NEED super tight bend radius, CAT6A is still probably the best choice for a home network.

>>105936759
A nice 50ft cat6 cable is under $20. That's 10Gbps now, possibly 40 in future. A 50ft 10Gbps max USB-C cable is $120 and you have to be careful not to bend it too tight or it'll snap.

>>105937189
s/40/25/
I wouldn't be surprised if they come out with 40-60gb over cat6 on a 20 year timeframe though. There's a lot of existing construction where fiber won't pull reliably.

>>105937294
We'd need a big improvement in PHY energy consumption.

10GbE already gets hot as fuck and its been in development for 20+ years.

Maybe you'll see a 25Gbps ethernet PHY at some point, but we're nowhere near that point today.

>>105937057
You don't need more than CAT6 for 10gb ethernet.

lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ILqXuDpzd8

>>105931648
did you get rid of your quest 3 before they added the link cable support or did that still give issues?

>>105937569
Still had issues with that, the problem is there isn't really any official USB spec for what they're using it for, so it's just not optimised

>>105936459
i shit you not, it turned out to be the connector on the other end that was faulty.
basically, i bought a wire with the connectors already installed, snapped one off, passed it through the wall, and rewired the snapped off end.
but apparently the problem was on the side with the factory-made connector.
so damn stupid, glad that's over

>>105937332
Already here >>105935372
I think most of the problem with existing hardware is they shove it in those tiny SFP+ transcievers, and they've probably been using the same chips for a decade or more.

>>105924795 (OP)
i got 1gbps fiber so i redid all my cabling to cat8. i have ethernet in my walls so i wanted to make sure i didn't have to run more shit later down the line.

>>105937630
I'd assume it wouldn't be too far from how video is done over usb c to monitors? or do they incur the same latency?

>>105937189
>A 50ft 10Gbps max USB-C cable
you can have those?
iirc usb cables lose speed incredibly fast as distance increases. does it have an inch of insulation or something?

>>105937705
I'll believe it when I see it.

Pic related is the lowest power 10GbE NIC I'm aware of.

Modern SFP+ 10GbE modules draw between 1.5-3W per port.

>>105937777
Not, it's a fiberoptic "active" cable.

Passive (copper) USB cables max out around 1-3 meters, depending on the speed.

>>105937792
ah, that explains it

Is there any reason why CAT7 wiring in every room isn't standard in every single new house that's built today? It costs like $300k to build an average house, so why not spend an extra $500 in materials to add future proof networking? The labor cost is basically free since they're already wiring electricity in every room as the house is being built.

>>105937502
lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zACK7Aka4Us

>>105937860
normies don't care about ethernet. normies think the internet is wifi.

>>105937860
Because CAT7 doesn't really exist in practice.

> Category 7 is not recognized by the TIA/EIA
> Category 7a is not recognized by the TIA/EIA

CAT6a is all you need anything more is wasted money on a meme that nothing supports and likely never will.

>>105937880
If you talk to the average normie, they'll complain that their internet sucks because most of them use the shitty isp provided router placed in some inconvenient location that can't cover the entire house, so they end up using some mesh router network that will never be as reliable as having wireless access points in different rooms connected via ethernet. So having good wiring would immensely benefit even the most tech illiterate retard.

>>105937860
Because it's not a real TIA standard and the ground lines can become a fire hazard if not maintained correctly.

I just bought a brand new house wired with fucking coax in a fiber neighborhood, so I feel the frustration on that point.

>>105937901
yeah, but its wifi. its wireless. they don't want ugly wires. they don't want their laptop with a "dumb" wire attached to it in bed. having a power cable is already traumatizing enough for them.

>>105937904
Are you saying that CAT7 isn't standardized or that there's no standard for ethernet wiring in homes at all?

>>105937860
My new fridge, washer, and dryer didn't come with ethernet ports. They are WiFi only. Pissed me off.

>>105928726
You still need cabling for all those Wi-Fi access points.

>>105937916
CAT7 isn't a widely recognized standard by the major technical standards organizations.

It's an ISO/IEC standard that was ratified in 2002 for 10gbps ethernet, but was quickly superseded by CAT6 later in 2002 and CAT6a in 2009 which IS a TIA/EIA/ANSI/ISO recognized standard for 10gbps ethernet.

>>105937921
Another annoying is my brand new Roku, gets slower speeds on Ethernet as well. Its WiFi adapter is MUCH faster than its Ethernet port.

>>105937916
It's something they came up with to smooth over problems with early 10Gb PHYs. It's some kind of eurotrash standard but not TIA. Which is what all Ethernet adapters are designed for.

Retail cat7 at this point is 100% chinkshit. Enterprise hasn't needed it for a long time.

>>105937944
Ok, but my point is that they don't even wire ethernet at all in most new houses. I don't understand why that is, when the cost is practically nothing, but will cost thousands of dollars to add later when the house is finished and the drywall is up.

>>105937948
Yeah I just hooked up my old Wii ethernet adapter and deal with it. I never used fixed appliances on WiFi and never will.

>>105932792
the cost depends, but 5e is generally more flexible, thus nicer to work with. afaik only cat6+ that has that solid core bullshit.

>>105937948
I believe the Ethernet port on my Roku is limited to 100mbps while its WiFi adapter is pulling around 500mbps.

>>105937712
>i got 1gbps fiber so i redid all my cabling to cat8.
Cat5e is all you need for gigabit lmao

>>105938001
Thanks for ignoring the rest of what I wrote.
>i have ethernet in my walls so i wanted to make sure i didn't have to run more shit later down the line.
Your reading comprehension is impeccable.

>>105937970
Because builders are cheap/lazy and the people building the house are rarely the ones who will end up living in that house.


Obviously if you're building a house from the ground up you can and should install networking cable conduit to every room of the house for fiber/ethernet.

But if you're a contractor building a new house that's likely going to be more design work in the planning phase, several hours worth of labor from carpenters, dry wallers, and electritians, as well as material costs for the cabling and conduits as well as the keystones. It all adds up to probably a couple thousand dollars that GENERALLY doesn't add value to the property.

It's very rare that a buyer will NOT buy a house just because it doesn't have ethernet in the walls.

>>105937970
You don't have to tear up drywall to install Ethernet. Just tie it to existing phone or coax wires, smooth it out with electrical tape, and pull it through the wall. Takes 10 minutes. There are tons of YouTube videos on how to do cable drops in various situations.

>>105938013
Then you should've gone for CAT6a.

CAT8 is a dead standard that really only exists on paper, it has never had PHY hardware even demoed to industry partners, let alone a real consumer product you can go out and buy.

>>105937972
Appliances these days really do need to be hooked up for firmware updates. My washer alone has had about 11 updates since I got it a year ago. All to help correct balancing issues since it doesn't have the classic center, pillar agitator.
The fridge has had two updates to improve power efficiency and an option to track how much water is being used from the water pitcher.

>>105938032
"yawn" the price difference was negligible. I'm not going to pay a similar price for something that is technically a downgrade. Go live in your commie country if you want to control what people do with their money.

>>105938017
If I was buying a brand new house that was still being built, I would insist that the builder add ethernet to every room and I would only offer an extra $500 for the house, because I know it doesn't cost more than a couple hundred bucks in materials and houses are all built by illegal immigrants being paid $5 an hour now, so the labor cost is practically free. You also don't need fucking conduits for something that's hidden behind drywall. If they don't take that deal then they're retards.

>>105938039
Lol okay, enjoy having a cable that will never be useful for what you intended it for.

Again, it's a dead standard, no PHYs exist even if you had a million dollars to blow on a home lab, you'd still be stuck at 10Gbps which can be done using CAT6A easily.

Also the cost isn't negligible.

CAT6A in bulk is ~$0.25-1.50 depending on what exact cable you need (in-wall rated, riser rated, etc)
CAT8 in bulk is ~$1-4 per foot

So if you need in-wall rated cabling you're looking at a 2-3x increase in price per foot.

>>105938033
Stop buying overwrought consumoid trash; ggez. SpeedQueen doesn't need no firmware updates to know how to wash clothes.

>>105938063
In my opinon if you're building a new house and you have the option to install conduit, it's 1000% worth it, dedicated conduit runs make future upgrades painless.

Sometimes shit gets damaged for whatever reason and if you have a dead run in 5-10 years it's a LOT easier to replace that run when you've got conduit vs runs that just run through the studs with no protection.

Also you're low balling the fuck out of it and while a builder might still do it for $500 extra, that's because they're paying for the rest out of their profit, not because it ACTUALLY only costs them $500 to add ethernet.

>>105938063
>I would only offer an extra $500 for the house
You would be a giant retard then because I'm paying them under asking and $90 out of pocket on some keystones and cat6.

>>105938095
>low balling
Total material cost is $146. Labor cost is probably $15 for one of the illegal Mexicans to spend a few hours installing it. So even $500 is $340 of extra entirely undeserved profit in the builder's pockets.

>>105938151
Tiny house or just bad at math?

>>105938174
1000ft is $140 so it doesn't change the price much.

>>105938151
also CAT6E isn't a real standard

>>105938174
Why are you running Ethernet to the linen closet? I'm just doing the bedrooms.

>>105938191
It's basically same price for cat6 from monoprice. I wouldn't fuck with shielded unless I need a backbone for a really big house, and even then I'd probably use fiber.

>>105938225
>I wouldn't fuck with shielded
The cable I posted IS unshielded
>23AWG Solid Bare Copper, UTP Unshielded Twisted Pair

Pic related, UTP CAT6A for $230 per 1000 feet.

>>105938260
>>105938225
And pic related from the same company, same spec but shielded.

>>105938269
Nah that's cause it's CMP not CMR.

CMR shielded cable should be ~$340-350.

CMP unshielded cable is ~$400

>>105938297
Damn you're right.

Still $230 vs $340 for unshielded vs shielded with CMR cable.

(Or $390 vs $520 for CMP)

>>105938427
Nobody uses CMP in residential.

>>105938013
i don't quite get what that means. why does you having gigabit automatically mean one day it might not be enough?

>>105938529
1Gb is very little if you have fiber. That may be all they want to pay for now, but data rates will only scale up as time goes on.

>>105938607
>1Gb is very little if you have fiber
is it? i get 80Mb over FTTP.

>if you have fiber
this is basically my point. why is 1Gb suddenly not enough just because you have fibre? either 1Gb is enough or 1Gb is not enough. why does it matter what the bladdy cable is made of?? are you telling me it's literally just some kind of anxiety over hitting a bandwidth ceiling that you most likely don't need and/or aren't willing to go past by upgrading the router and every switch and every NIC... but still pay more for the cables and feel good about self?
weird, i get the opposite, comfy feeling from maxing out technology this way. it's like, you're already at your theoretical maximum and you don't need more, so it just becomes something you never need to worry about

>>105938174
>3000 sqft house
lol, lmao even

>>105938771
>anxiety over hitting a bandwidth ceiling that you most likely don't need
Anxiety over being (((upgraded))) to a 2 gig plan one day and not having the hardware that can handle it, probably.

>>105938849
considering CAT5e can do 2.5GbE at 100 meters, it's still not a concern.

>>105938771
Because network cables are a 20 year investment. You can use 2Gb downstream pretty consistently right now. That's only going to go up. If you sell the house, that's a limitation the buyer is going to see and they're going to apply this guy's logic >>105938095 in reverse.

>>105938881
i dunno buddy, i somehow don't think the average housebuyer is gonna give two shits about ethernet in 20 years time, let alone how many cats there are in the cables. and if he does care, then he'll probably rip them out and replace them with whatever the current thing in 20 years' time will be.

>>105938952
Jokes on you, in 20 years we'll still be on CAT6a for residential networking.

Maybe with a new generation of PHYs for 25Gbps support on CAT6a cables.

>>105938952
Ostensibly it would be EOL by then, but the average home owner only stays 10 years. In 10 years people are definitely going to ask about 5-10Gb capable data hookup.

>>105939060
make it 10 years, make it 5, my point still stands. very few people care about ethernet in this day and age. looking at the future, many more will stop caring about it. they won't even know what it's for or how to use it. the only "hookup" they might ask about, is wifi.

>>105938845
He's also assuming full independent hookups to literally every room. My dad's house is ~2900 and we didn't use any 1000ft of cable on that. Maybe 400.

>>105939142
>come to ethernet thread
>nobody cares about ethernet
fuck off

>>105939196
>to literally every room
Just the major rooms, 5 bedrooms, Kitchen, 2x Livingroom, dining room. So 9 drops for a 3000 squarefoot house.

And if you want access points and security cameras that could easily be 15-20 drops.

>>105939196
this being an ethernet thread does not change the fact that most people, aka average house buyers, don't give two shits about ethernet, which is what the discussion is about, you uppity faggot. if you just want to circlejerk over things you like, you know where to go.

>>105933529
how are you tripping on cables in the wall?

>>105937974
>embedded devices using 100BASE-T in current year
criminal

>>105939142
Normgroids aren't people, so who cares what they think? They will do whatever anyone with authority tells them to do like the niggercattle they are.

>>105939467
Every LG OLED for the last decade

>>105939475
you done throwing your little shitfit, edgelord?

>>105939219
>kitchen, dining room, 2x living room for some reason
>dining room
Really? We just used 2 switches and a single backbone across the house short enough it could do comfortably do 10Gb without 6a. Average drop probably 40ft.

Security cams would be a whole different can of worms, but it probably wouldn't increase cable use that much because they could route through already established rooms. Enough to put you over 500' probably.

>>105939310
thanks for worrying about my finances i guess

>>105939467
Yeah Roku players used to have 1Gb and they actually DOWNGRADED. So shitty.

>>105939501
>because they could route through already established rooms
Most security cameras are for the exterior, not the interior, and would generally need dedicated runs.

Assuming a mix of a 3-4 interior cameras for common areas (entrance, living room, maybe an interior hallway or basement), and then exterior 3-4 cameras for the entrance, driveway/garage, and back yard.

If you've got a large enough house you might even want more exterior cameras to cover all angles of approach.


These days you can also get security cameras that will do license plate reading if you have a street you want to monitor infront/behind your house.


So yeah, depending on the cameras you want you can easily hit 500+ feet of drops JUST on cameras.

>>105937860
Your RG6 cable (for your cable tv) already supports > 3Gb/s with modern drivers.
We never needed any of this shit, including HDMI.
Get off the treadmill.

>>105939553
>Most security cameras are for the exterior, not the interior, and would generally need dedicated runs.
Need a dedicated run to the nearest PoE switch, not all the way to the NVR. Use VLANs to keep the traffic separate.

>>105939627
You can wire a 3000sqft house with cat6 for less than the cost of a DOCSIS4 modem / receiver. Assuming you could even get the carrier side device.

>>105939675
MoCA exists

>>105939675
> wire a 3000sqft house with cat6 for less than the cost of a DOCSIS4 modem
Thats true for the cost of materials only in a house at the pre-drywall framing stage.
I’m talking about the 100 million houses in the US wired with CATV already.
The labor cost of rewiring is a lot, and doing it onesself is a PITA. I’ve done it.
> also my house has walls filled with polyurethane foam back when that was legal
Ughh…

>>105939675
> cost of a DOCSIS4 modem / receiver
The mod/demod qam chip at 6 GHz is around $10 in quantities of 1000.

>>105939919
that's pretty expensive bro

>>105939784
It's also slow and extremely expensive.

>>105939810
Pulling wire and changing wall plates is trivial if all the rooms you want Ethernet in already have coax or cat3.

>>105940044
I’m embarrassed my ethernet to usb adapter is USB 1.1 (on a usb 1.1 hub) and the performance is terrible.

>>105924795 (OP)
Turbo gooning

>>105940116
>slow
2gbps+ is slow?


It's using existing RG6, for older homes this can be a fantastic option.

>>105940235
I’ll be picking up some of these for $2.50 at the local goodwill. Just like my +27 db repeater amplifiers, and my Ethernet POE adapters.

>>105940235
>it's just horrendously overpriced not slow
Whatever rentoid.

>>105940310
Yeah 3 minutes of effort and $120 for 2gbps LAN is horrible value compared to $100-500 and 2+ hours of your time running ethernet.

>>105940235
They’re only expensive because they’re fairly rare.
If laptops and whatnot could have kept the original ethernet connector, we’d have saved billions, and adapters would be commonplace, but mostly non-existant.

>>105940361
> and 2+ hours of your time running ethernet.
roflmao, hi zoomer cat8 salesman at best buy in from monster cable audio section.
Yeah, my mom is totally gonna get out her ladders, fish tape, drills, crimpers, etc to re-wire it.
There’s no way you ever find coax T adapters screwed into studs inside walls either. It’s not like the rg6 or rg59 is ever stapled or clamped as per standard. Nah.

>>105940536
> re-wire
My mom is good at it. She’ll do it next year when cat 8e comes out, and then again when cat 9 is out.

>>105940536
anon, i was being facetious

>>105940536
MoCa is for boomers who alienated their kids and spend $450/mo on cable.

>>105940832
My ISP's equipment has MoCA 2.5 built in already.
They have MoCA Wifi extenders too and the set top boxes either use MoCA as well, or can use an adapter for MoCA.

>>105940846
And you pay the price of an adapter every month to use it.

>>105941160
My ISP doesn't charge for their equipment unless you want extras, so for example a router + extender is free, but a router + extender + another extender is $8/month

>>105940846
>>105941179
>ISP's equipment
>ISP's equipment for $8/month
I have to say, I love that in Bongland we have ISPs that expect you to source your own equipment, who also operate on fibre lines maintained by an entirely separate company, so no vendor lock-in. Oh and static IPv4 and IPv6 with no CGNAT bullshit. Never thought I'd be saying this 10 years ago, but man, the bong broadband market is fucking sweet right now.

>>105941547
If you're on cable you kinda want to lease the modem because DOCSIS is a fucking clown show. Thankfully a shrinking, increasingly mud colored demographic.

>>105941573
i feel like "leasing a modem" should just not be a thing to begin with. so far i had:
>ISP includes router as part of service but you can enable modem mode
>or you buy a HG612 off ebay for £15
>or if you got fibre you just plug your router straight into the ONT

>>105941649
>>105941547
It's included for free, you're in no way required to use it.

I use a ubiquiti router

>>105941744
i somehow feel like you're using different terminology and we're no longer talking about the same things.

>>105941805
The ISP will give you a router, and wifi extender, for free.

But you're in no way required to use it.

It's a FTTH fiber ISP with an ONT that you can just plug whatever you want into it.

But again, they do offer a router/extender for free if you want to use them.

>>105938771
My fiber provider is already providing up to 5GBPS in my area. Its why I went Cat8.
Its not fun running cables through walls so I went with the fastest available for I don't have to do it again for another 20 years (hopefully).

>>105941573
eh cable modems are not that expensive. its cheaper to buy one for $100 than lease one for $10 every month. docsis is usually stable for about 2 - 4 years.

>>105941821
Yes, but do you actually need more than 1 gigabit

Cable autists, I have a home with CATV cable and want to run a new cable line to a different bedroom (the blue line). The house is 20 feet in the air on pilings, the existing cable (red line) runs up the pilings, up a wall and into the attic, then back down a wall to a wall outlet.

Looking at this rationally it will be a massive pain in the ass involving a scissor lift just to get it to the base of the house, then a fish tape to get it into the attic. I'm pretty sure cable only comes in 50ft or 100ft, so it'll have to be 100ft. Would you trust xfinity's mexicans to pull this off or am I stuck having to do it myself?

>>105941837
>But do you need
Ok now you can go fuck off

>>105941828
Yeah but when you work from home it's worth it to be able to drive down to their office and instantly get another one instead of consult their approved devices list and fuck around finding a real one on Amazon.

>>105941850
You act like you have to get a new modem on a monthly basis.

>>105941848
Why are you so upset by such simple questions? Do you realistically see yourself needing to go over 1 gig anytime soon or not?

>>105941845
Can you not just install a splitter on the red line? Why does it have to go all the way down the house?

>>105941868
I have a 2.5GBPS connection already you retard. Go fuck off.

>>105924795 (OP)
4K 120hz HDMI over ethernet extender

>>105941858
I lost 2 in the last 2 years to lightning because apparently surge protection isn't a thing for these niggers any more. So looking forward to fiber.

>>105941845
Don't know why the fuck you'd run a second line from your box outside, but since you already have a line its simple
>tape 2 cables to the end of the red line
>pull red line out the other end
>remove tape
>now you have 2 cables running through the cavity

>>105924795 (OP)
this is a bit of an overkill for me but maybe when I build that NAS I keep putting off

>>105941876
And you still need more? Why? Just because your ISP does it, so you feel the need to have it? Kinda sounds like it, based on how defensive you're getting over it

>>105941876

>>105941845
>I'm pretty sure cable only comes in 50ft or 100ft, so it'll have to be 100ft.
No

>>105941901
Go move to cuba and live in your commie hellhole you sack of rotten shit.

>>105941881

>>105941903
>no IPv6
but why?

>>105941917
Ask my ISP. Pic related.

>>105941912
I got a Ethernet surge protector on my end. Fucked if I'm going to protect their equipment for them.

>>105941925
> according to a Reddit thread. They are actively working on a new provisioning system to enable IPv6 across all tiers.
only available on the 10Gbps tier currently, apparently.

>>105941929
Then enjoy buying new modems, yearly.

>>105941909
Ah, so the real reason was a wealth flex and "owning commies". How boring.

>>105941937
Oh wow. I'm sure they will start to trickle it down. They have been pretty damn good as an ISP so far. Waayyyy better than Cocks (Cox) I had before. Light years better.

>>105941945
Again, go move to cuba and bask in your retardation while you play real life simcity making people's lives misserable.

>>105941917
FiOS on the east coast is similar, not offering IPv6 on their residential multi-gigabit service at the moment.

>>105941872
The red box at the bottom of the piling is the service splitter where it comes from the utility pole. The red line is the only cable line that actually works for some reason. Is it really okay to have the cable split twice? Would I just split it up in the attic and run the new line to the bedroom?

>>105941941
I lease it for $5/mo.

>>105941954
Is it the realisation that you only want something because it exists that's making your life miserable?

>>105941985
It's not ideal, but you can try it and find out. Cable amps exist if the signal is too weak.

>>105941945
The thing about bandwidth is the more people buy, the more there is for everyone. Pretty much without limit. You should be gaslighting piggies into buying as much as possible while coasting up on the low-mid tier plan. That's what I do.

For my home usage, overkill

>>105937973
Does the core make it essentially act like a stiff and heavier fiber optic cable?

>>105941845
>The house is 20 feet in the air on pilings
louisiana?

>>105944823
not really

>>105944926
Florida. Best place I've ever lived but the pilings make home maintenance a PITA. It's neat being able to park cars underneath the house without a garage, and the sea breeze is awesome. Very cool weather too, a light rainstorm means 40+ mph winds sometimes.

>>105937973
Normal 200MHz@100m cat6 doesn't require a spline. Bandwidth goes up to 500MHz with the spline (cat6e), but there's no standard which calls for 500MHz bw in an unshielded cable.

>>105944823
Nah fiber still needs special guide rails inside walls because minimum bend radius, and termination is evil.

>>105946436
>because minimum bend radius
Bend insensitive fiber is a thing, just a bit expensive.

>>105924795 (OP)
I could see this being a thing in research labs where you have ridiculous equipment doing ridiculous things to signals

>>105937124
Thank you for giving an actually informative answer. Rare these days on here.
>CAT6A is still probably the best choice for a home network.
Absolutely, it was more out of an academic interest.

>>105938019
>man I really hope there isnt a single staple or cable tack at any point along the run