>Interviewing
Neetcode 150: https://neetcode.io/practice
Tips and interview practice: https://blog.interviewing.io/
Be an Indian.

>How to write a resume
https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/11/25/how-to-write-an-effective-developer-resume-advice-from-a-hiring-manager/

>Salary Stuff
"What's your expected salary?": https://www.fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/salary-expectations-interview-question/
Negotiation advice: https://github.com/petermekhaeil/salary-negotiating
Salary data: https://levels.fyi/

>Software Development & Programming
GitHub Trending - https://github.com/trending
DevDocs - https://devdocs.io/
JavaScript, CSS, HTML sandbox - https://jsfiddle.net/
MDN Web Docs - https://developer.mozilla.org/
Stack Overflow Blog - https://stackoverflow.blog/

>IT Operations & Infrastructure
AWS Service Health Dashboard - https://status.aws.amazon.com/
Cloudflare System Status - https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
DownDetector - https://downdetector.com/
Microsoft Azure Status - https://status.azure.com/
Microsoft Office 365 Status - https://portal.office.com/servicestatus

>Unemployment Advice
Just kill yourself

>Suicide Methods
Exit bags - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inert_gas_asphyxiation
Hanging - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangman%27s_knot
Gun to head - https://codmansurgical.integralife.com/gunshot-head-wounds-what-impacts-survival/

>Job Boards for Indians chads only
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/
Indeed - https://www.indeed.com/
Hiring Cafe - https://hiring.cafe/
YCombinator - https://www.workatastartup.com/companies
Wellfound - https://wellfound.com/jobs

Previous: >>105873208

Reminder that it is entirely your fault and your fault alone that you are unemployed.
Reminder that us Indians are your better and you will never be able to break into the industry that we dominate.

>>105930231 (OP)
Reminder that you can always go into the food/customer service industries as us Indian chads always need a bitch to make our Starbucks coffee while we fuck your women.

>>105930231 (OP) Diversify, nigga. You're a human being, not a role.

>>105930254
hows mumbai prajesh?

>>105930393
Get a job lmfao.

>>105930254
It's hard to be a chad when your dick is two inches long.

>>105930231 (OP)
>included suicide methods but not "unemployment advice" (which is mostly how to kys yousaelf)
Huh?

how the fuck do people get started in cyber? I know I'm years behind the boom but I still see openings all the time but never get anything back when I apply. is it really just helpdesk/networking people sliding into those positions or what. inb4 no fake jobs/ no one is hiring/ its over(it never even began) / pajeets took them/ your not a real tech worker

>>105930822
they dont. its a fake field.

>>105930822
getting lucky mostly
got hired in blue team recently (9 months ago) and it's mostly just responding to stupid CrowdStrike alerts from idiots installing some malware on their machine, azure alerts from idiots trying to sign in from their personal device with iCloud Private Relay on, or resetting phishing e-mail clicks
Frankly, I think the 'fun' of the field is overblown by scam artists online. But it doubled my salary ($18/hr to 80K a year) so I'm dealing with it
Work in helpdesk/datacenter/IT support for a few years, try and do some systems tasks, get some certs (CASP+ was surprisingly helpful, but I'm probably confirmation bias-ing myself), and apply to a bunch of positions while changing your resume a bit to include key words from job descriptions
Because of indians the industry (IT as a whole, really) has become a numbers game instead of being about merit. Have to hope the position you're apply for is real (fuck ghost jobs), isn't auto-denying people so they can import another street shitter, and is willing to train instead of taking in someone who got laid off at a better company

>your profile was viewed by 1 company this week
LATER VIRGINS!

>>105932022
>9 people have viewed your profile this week

i get this shit all the time its just scam indians. Linkedin is so shit man

>>105932157
I mean, I fully believe that every once in a while my profile is actually read by companies who want to find out if I have 3 years experience with the exact brand and model of machine they're looking for expertise with.

I'm a PhD chemist at a national laboratory in the US and make $150k. I was recently lamenting my choice of career because I assumed that every software developer was making $500k at the very piss poor least. I assumed that money literally falls from the sky for you people and after reading these threads I'm really surprised. Should I be more grateful for what I have or did I actually screw up anyway?

>>105932350
you make less than FAANG gives to new grads but FAANG is a very small portion of SWEs and tech workers in general
the real money is in quant finance, hedge funds especially you can clear 7 figure TC for 'just' writing code and the bonuses are insane if your fund is doing great

>>105932350
If you like your job no, if you like money more than your job then yes

>>105932412
What I'm getting at is: should I go back to school on the side for SWE or computer engineering or should I just stay where I am and bet on shitcoins in my spare time?

>>105932473
I think you're good where you are. Programming as a job is not fun, better keep that as a hobby

Which companies are the best for gooning?

>>105932610
Any government job (especially with a security clearance).

>>105932615
This anon knows.

my pants from gooning all day.

>>105932650
>still blue

Casual.

>>105932473
>should I go back to school on the side for SWE or computer engineering
You wouldn't be able to find a job even if you graduated today,people graduating in 3 years are even more fucked unless there are some serious government policies (and Trump has shown no interest in implementing the kind needed).

I haven't even attempted to verify it but I believe this on its face.

Has anyone had a TPM that actually knew the tech and was able to do the stuff they're supposed to do (and are supposed to demonstrate in an interview) like lead technical tradeoff discussions and shit?

minor blogposting but i wanna know what anons think i should do next.
i pretty much wasted my twenties with neetdom due to depression but was always into IT as a kid so i learned a lot on my own.
managed to get an IT internship with the govt a couple years ago while i was taking college courses. dropped out because i hate school but managers liked me enough to hire me on permanently. problem is i started at a low grade (gs-5) and i'm in my mid 30s. I'll eventually automatically move up the gs scale to a decent pay (gs-12/13) but it's going to take a few years. i have a security clearance but i'm frustrated with the low pay because i know i have the IT knowledge to be making more now.
should i go into the private sector or just suck it up and stay in the govt?

>>105933255
GS moves slow compared to other government related jobs. If you do consider contracting since the pay might be better. Only issue is that you need to double down on investments and other retirement goals. Clearly if you just started working at 30-40ish then you failed in alot of ways but again you can catch up pretty easily with a higher paying job.

>>105933255
I'm not american, but, are you retarded? you are knowledgeable and have have security clearance, and you keep wasting your time in a low pay govt. job?
also, that sounds like a question for /twg/ IMO

>h-hi anon. I can get you a job if you're comfortable sucking my asian girlcock :puppy_eyes: :right_index_finger: :left_index_finger:
what do you do?

>>105933273
i guess it could be worse. if i stay in the government for 20 years i'll have a good retirement setup and still be under 60 at which point i could go contractor instead
>>105933345
/twg/ is full of codemonkey jeets
the situation is a bit more complex than it seems and it's not just about money. contracting has its own set of stresses especially with this new admin. my directorate was considering not renewing contracts for a certain IT support role. they ended up renewing only one company's contract out of three. one of the guys rejoined from one of the companies that lost the contract but he had to take a 20% pay cut.
i'm waiting for my clearance to be upgraded to TS and then i guess i'll take a serious look at the private sector. outside of the pay the job is good and the agency is awesome so that's why i'm conflicted.

Nigga deadass said if you're feeling bad about being laid off go talk to your LLM waifu about it

>>105932610
Any work from home, naturally.

>>105933635
Stop making me crave bussy >:(

>>105930231 (OP)
1 year of work experience, cs degree, fired from last job 4 years ago. is it over and do i keep driving for fedex or can I get back into the market

>>105933827

>hiring manager emails me and asks for my availability for a phone screening
>radio silence since.

Surely they would at least hold the actual phone interview before ghosting me, right?

>>105932350
Software developer is one of the most common jobs now. A few years ago, it actually was the number one job in Colorado. More of them than cashiers. More than truck drivers. More than nurses. Most software developers don't work at tech companies. They work for boring, mundane companies, doing boring internal intranet crap. FAGMAN and startups have altered the public's perception of what's a middle of the road white collar job.
Pic related is based on paycheck data rather than what employers report on surveys. Most people have no idea just how many software developers there are crammed into non-tech departments at non-tech companies, getting paid ok but not great salaries. Tech companies report high salaries to make themselves look prosperous so investors will put money into them and employees will want to work there (even if their starting salary is less than expected). They also aren't a good reflection of software development as a whole since most software development happens at non-tech companies. The programmers working on the search function for the weekly ad on Kroger's website aren't getting rich.

>>105934002
Phone interviews are done by AI interviewers now. You don't speak to a person. The AI asks you questions on various subjects, analyzes your tone, the speed at which you respond, stress levels in your voice, and decides on the correctness of your answers. No one listens to the recording. No one reads the transcript. Scores are inserted into the HR application tracking system. If they want to hire someone, they'll run a query for those with the highest scores.
Some of these systems require you to have your camera on, they say to ensure you're not cheat by using AI. But it's also used to grade your body language and look for physical characteristics they prioritize.

>>105933635
Call my title "Lead Project Manager" and you've got yourself a deal

>>105932696
anon is VERY well hydrated and seeps much precum, please understand

>>105933676
I already had theories that contact with IT/IS causes mental derangement but I might have to expand my theory to all computer use in general

Wrote down 25 potential ideas to make money and avoid having to wageslave again.
In reality though I just want to kill myself instead of pursuing any of those ideas.

>>105934488
I have 3 floating ideas. But its alot of effort to implement. In reality business is just more work for a hope of more money.

im just gonna buy a boat and live on the ocean. there's no laws in the ocean...

>>105934533
True. The part where you need to hope things will work out is the bad part.

>>105934140
Okay but they didn't even take the phone interview at all.
I'll followup if I don't get an answer by tomorrow.

>>105934140
>You don't speak to a person
good

how important is "posing" your desk/office for online interviews?

>>105930231 (OP)
>Interviewer asks me my hobbies
>I start responding in STAR format
whoa, I did it you guys. All these failed interviews have finally mindbroken me into starting my transition to an NPC.

>>105930257
I diversified my roles and am not specialized enough for the hyper-specific job postings that make up the majority of the job market now. Five years of IT experience but I might as well be an intern. Shit sucks.

>>105930822
Join the Guard/Reserve as a cyber warfare operator. But also it's over.

>>105932610
>Look it up
>It's a real video
holy shit lmao

>job market in canada is genuinely so fucked up that even with One Million Pajeets companies can't find "suitable candidates" with PhD level training who are willing to work for less than minimum wage
>it's so bad in some areas that the province of nova scotia is now literally paying employers to hire people
>"employers" still aren't hiring because they just include "Must be START Certified and willing to maintain START Certification" in every job ad

>START is not a certification

>it's literally just confirmation from the province that you are in fact unemployed and are ok to make a claim to subsidize onboarding or even outright have the province pay the employee's wages for you for a while

even when workers are literally free, companies still say employees expect too much. when will it end?

>>105934710
As long as its trash free its fine. If you white clove it then it means its been cleaned of all surfaces including the carpet/floor.

>>105934711
>Join the Guard/Reserve as a cyber warfare operator. But also it's over.
this but unironically. i've never heard of a "Cyber" guy who wasn't ex-military, working for a company that transparently only exists because state militaries consider "cyber" a low priority (since the gear they're buying/networks they buy whole and just set up should have that stuff built in)

for more general security it's just another form of IT hell desk except instead of boomers who cant update their phones it's zoomers who can't update their antivirus

>>105934710
I keep my rifle in the background so the interviewer knows I'm serious.

Is this a bad profile pic for linkcuck?

>>105934790
based

>live in small town
>same 5 companies paying absolute dogshit for lowest life jobs
>there is maybe once a month opening for better position that is already assigned to someone with connections
yeah i have been trying for years now its time to leave

>>105934903
Unfortunately, having connections is a basic requirement. Since it's a small town, I can imagine there's this small circle of bros who help each other out but don't let others in.

>apply to lockheed for local IT
>interview goes fine until one question
>"Anon what's your experience with the F-35b Lightning?"
>wat
>say I know what it is, knowledgedrop some stats/features, but joke that I've obviously never flown one
>they just start packing up their stuff as soon as I finish saying "... But I've never flown one"
>"Anon we were expecting someone with a little more experience in the field."
What the fuck? Do they really expect 40k/yr helldeskers to have combat flight experience on a brand-new plane?

>>105934982
no it is a circle of boomers or either richer parents club
i lost will to even try anything better simply because even if i land interview, and come, they hire internally or someone that is total moron ( he got connections )
at local government it is all literal fucking morons, and i mean literal, there were 3 younger men none of which knew how to turn on a computer and this was like 2019 or something

>>105934992
Yes

>>105934992
>on a brand-new plane
...Are you implying you flew a P-51 or something?

>>105934992
>he's too much of a poorfag to have his own F35 for practice
ick

>>105934992
>Do they really expect 40k/yr helldeskers to have combat flight experience on a brand-new plane?
Did you really apply for Lockheed without having 2k hours in DCS?

>>105934992
I can't tell if this is a joke or not, but
>Homie keeps referring me to jobs at his defense contractor
>"Yo, I referred you to some jobs in Seattle, check them out."
>They're all at JBLM (South Tacoma)
>"I think you'd be good at this job"
>Job requires 10 years of electronic warfare experience
>I've barely had 10 years of job experience in my life, and have never been involved in electronic warfare
I fill them out anyway because I appreciate him remembering I exist, but man... lol

>out of a job since last July
>two years of data entry experience, basically useless
>have a diploma in computer engineering
>apply for entry level IT jobs and helldesk positions
>get nothing but rejection emails
>only had one interview back in May
>went through two rounds, felt like I had a shot
>rejected, they went with another candidate
>fast forward a couple of weeks, see the same exact position up again
>decide to reapply because why not?
>get rejected again

I'’m seriously considering putting "self-employed" on my resume as a freelance technician or something. I don’t want to get burned by background checks if they look at my ROEs. I could just list whatever matches the job description under self-employed and make up some bullshit like "managed a high-capacity network ensuring no downtime." when in reality it was a LAN party with friends. What do you guys think of my retarded idea?

>>105935155
Fat Amy module isn't released yet

>>105935176
>electronic warfare experience
just go in there and tell them why they should use audio for data transmission (the ew considerations is already solve)

>>105935383
If I was a hiring manager and saw a inexperienced person listing themselves as 'self-employed' I'd ask them "So, what was wrong with your mum's laptop?" and laugh at you.

>indeed spam doesn't even send me IT jobs anymore
Is it truly over? Is it so over they're not even posting ghost jobs now?

>>105935176
>Job requires 10 years of electronic warfare experience
I own a baofeng and eavesdropped on local mall security (and swear at them over the air when i hear jeets) does that count

>>105935418
Good thing you're unemployed then.

Two weeks ago
>Off work for months
>Finally get an interview, goes well, makes use of my skillset
>Get told they'd let me know me early next week
>Think I've finally got a job again
One week ago
>Silence, message recruiter
>He messages back a few days later "they were on holiday, going to speak with them tomorrow"
>More days of silence
Today
>Recruiter calls me, "Sorry they've been bought out and hiring has gone on a freeze, could be weeks or months before they unfreeze"
Me picrel

>>105935418
>saw a inexperienced person
Yes, that's what entry-level jobs are for, to gain experience. Did you even read my post?
>I'd ask them "So, what was wrong with your mum's laptop?"
I'm pretty sure helldesk deals with this shit every day, but its a retarded boomer who always clicks on a phishing link during cybersecurity awareness campaigns asking to reset their password for the 10th time. I guess you can say I do have experience in some way.

>>105935541
Why do you think you're ENTITLED to an entry level position when you don't even have the requisite experience?

>>105935560
>entry-level position that needs requisite experience
Please read this out loud to yourself and listen to how retarded you sound, anon.
If I have a diploma in computer engineering, then that should be more than enough experience for dealing with helldesk tickets.

>>105935605
Sorry, a master's degree and 5 years of work experience is the minimum requirement for helldesk nowadays.

>had a 15 minute screening interview for a remote backend role in a german company
>told them i mostly worked with frontends in my previous job but also did some backend
>never get a callback for the next round
i should've just lied and told them i was fullstack. although my resume made it pretty obvious that my experience was mostly in frontend. too bad they seemed like a chill company and the interviewer was very nice.

>>105935541
Okay you seem a bit thick so I won't break your balls, I'll you some actual advice:
Get a customer service job in a call centre for a while, not for a long time because you'll want to hang yourself after a year or two

Entry level IT support has very little to do with technical knowledge, 90% of the job is deal with customers.
So no, your diploma doesn't make you qualified

>>105930257
this is honestly good advice. people often tunnel vision pretty hard without realizing that can just do something else.

>>105935605
School isn't where you go to learn. You could never deal with the fast paced high collaboration environment of a Lv 1 Support Analyst Rockstar

another day of being thankful I can LARP as an IT dustman in the navy instead of dealing with the psychopathic "normal" job market

>Two years ago: The navy furry was lamenting being stuck on a ship and being miserable that they'll never get a proper tech job
>Today: The navy furry celebrates their job security
This job market is wank.

>>105935676
I wish I had never become a code tranny. All these years of hard and diligent work and continuous learning just so this shitty field is the first one to get decimated by AI. The worst of all is that millions of open source code trannies who gave away code for free to train LLMs and loose their livelihood in the process while making billions for the Big Tech. Fuck SWE.

>>105935733
The furry faggot never stops posting about how his shitty job is both IT related and not related at the same time. Must be a 45yr indonesian lady boy at this point.

>>105935676
Kill yourself you fucking nigger faggot

>>105935745
I should've listened to the NEETs back then. "Only do SWE as a hobby". Been considering a career switch lately.

How we holding up, lads?

>>105930822
>how the fuck do people get started in cyber?
Usually I put on my robe and wizard hat.

>>105933635
>getting paid for drinking girlcum straight from the tap
What's the catch?

>>105935733
>The navy furry
No need to repeat yourself.

> that awesome feel when you convince management not to hire someone with much more degrees, publications, qualifications than you have

>>105930231 (OP)
Are you joining the all female AI startup anon? Does SZA's words inspire you?

I commute 4 hours a day, work 12 hour shift, doing bajillion unrelated tasks that can be described as 1 department work in one person, make lower than minimum wage, neglect my sleep and exercise, and i still get home to get disrespected by my parents and siblings. What should i do? I feel like my body is getting weaker every single day.

>>105936444
HANG the KIDS
FRAME the FAMILY
SHOOT them ALL

>>105934710
>plants
>near a computer
no

>>105934726
how about you and other tech workers unite, pay someone to investigate what's going on with the mass pajeet immigration and hiring, and pay some big media company to publish the results of the investigation?

>>105935646
I don't want to admit my degree and the time I invested are worthless shit-stained scraps just yet. In my heart I know it to be true, I just don't want to admit it yet.

Where do guys pirate courses from? I've been wanting to take some of the sans courses and study to get certificates but I haven't been able to find much

>>105937204
Private tracker wise snahp or bitspyder maybe? Torrentleech also has some

Otherwise make do by getting books and courses from libgen, z-library, https://github.com/MasterBrian99/Free-Courses-For-Everyone, TutFlix, and freecoursesite

>>105935646
>>105937126
Yeah I'm looking into trades. But to be fair my resume's definitely worse than all of yours so I wouldn't have much of a choice in tech even in peak hiring.

Are trades the move? Seeing a lot of shifting to them lately and it has me worried the wages will get shoved down in the process

>>105937496
If you're experienced, e.g. senior level, then you might be fine if you wait a bit, idk.
If you're new then unless you're a fucking savant or have some connections you're fucked.

I can see trades being flooded with immigration but at least they're harder to automate.

>>105937496
Long term they are definitely going to be better since you can't be replaced by an ai

>>105937540
I feel like comparing it to AI automation misses the point. The concern is automation increasing worker productivity (or worse, giving the expectation of increasing productivity to management) so you're doing more for less pay
I love tech but man, if I have to hear someone call node based automation "ai" again im gonna snap

>>105937580
>The concern is automation increasing worker productivity
Yea I guess it'll take a while before they let it be autonomous. I forgot about this trades or low skill jobs are also at risk it seems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50eli-eOPO4&ab_channel=CNET
You should stick with it if it's what you like that's what I am going to do. A lot of the hype from the trades are mostly just people who failed in software and were competing with illegal's who were getting like 10 dollars an hour

>>105937710
Fair, i just broke into cyber but every VP at this place wants more work for less, and the tools dont do shit half the time, or are actively wrong and harmful the other half.

This bubble popping is going to fuck with me economically for a decade, I'm sure

submit some good ideas for some company, maybe then they will hire (you)

>>105938175
>unironically using "revert" like this
I thought this was mere legend

>>105938175
I remember doing something like that. I was like 6 years old and wrote a letter to Sega

>>105938175
I did this to kimovil and they blew me off like an idiot inmediately.

things are looking up for me personally, quick, someone bully me so i don't get too excited before my hopes are all dashed like brains upon the rocks

>>105938931
you got this anon, everything is gonna work out for you like it always does

>>105938968
Things working out is scary though, it represents change. plus it means I have to actually do work

>>105938991
Know the feeling
Left a comfortable datacenter engineer position where i goofed off for 7 hours a shift to get into a new field and double my salary

>>105939251
nigga what is you doin in utwg

>>105939330
validation

>>105939330
I come by every once in a while to doom post and hope post on a whim

whenever the job market gets me down i recite LTG quotes in my head to give me the courage i need to carry on

>https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/4268422257/
Look at this job, it's posted for Fremont, CA, yet the job description says it's an onsite role in fucking Coimbatore, India, and they closed the listing after 30 minutes, how the fuck are these pajeets allowed to pull off this scammy bullshit?

>>105939844
indeed does have moderation; i've gotten messages from employers and when i finally bother to reply it says I'm not allowed because the company has been banned from the platform

there's just only so many jannies for so many jeets

>indian "recruiter" was phoning my number over and over again from different locations and left me multiple messages and voicemails
what is wrong with these cunts

>company asks me for references
>company demands an email and a phone number for at least two
>ask my current bosses if they're down to be references
>one ONLY gives me his email
>one ONLY gives me her number
my hope has been successfully quelled. this is exactly what happened last time.

>Got three rejection emails this week instead of getting ghosted
LATER, VIRGINS

>>105940015
They are literal retards. I'd compare them to an animal but that'd be an insult to that animal.

Would you guys work for a pajeet company full of pajeets?

>Big reputable company keeps delisting and reposting the same job daily
Genuinely, what is their endgame? Even if it is a ghost job, why not leave it up for a month?

>>105940765
animals are CUTE and IMPORTANT and SMARTER than MOST TECHBROS!!!

>>105940770
If i can scam the company by getting paid and doing fuck all before getting fired? yes

>Skills preferred but not required
Why do they bother putting this in?

>>105941136
hr roasts have to keep up the appearance of being benevolent or their entire sense of self-worth will collapse

>>105941136
Ideal candidates and niche needs of the company. If its the latter expect alot more work. If its the former then its just fluff.

>>105940783
cheats them back at the top of the list as most job boards will say how long its been up and most people won't apply to a job more thats more than 30 days old

>hour long interview tomorrow with director of product and a senior product designer
im not really into this company but if my other lead doesn't give me an offer i'll take what i can get

>>105930231 (OP)
Use case for a security+ cert?

>>105942333
they have an indian office, pay is below market and they don't want to match what my last job paid, and it's a mid level role when i'm looking for senior

I wish other races that are not indian help each other out. Literally only jeets look after their own

>>105942676
be the change you want to see

>>105942676
>Literally only jeets look after their own
jews do that too.

>>105942693
But I want to see no more indians (or jews).
That isn't a one person job it require systemic change.

>linkedin denied my verification attempt, permanently restricting my account

I got a job at a data center!

>>105943632
Congratulations, now you have to deal with /twg/.
Do they still dot hat thing where one guy spams about shit?

>>105943678
You mean the alcoholic mentally ill furry and the jeet who argues that if you do not know how to use powershell you are not a real programmer? Yes

>>105943931
No there's a guy who spams about literal shit for 50+ posts.

i just keep getting ghosted after interviews... i'm not worth a reply...

>>105942676
i don't believe in that because that's the stuff that contributes to the downfall of societies. i help out non jeets or jews who i think are smart. intelligent people should be prioritized over midwits and the stupid.

>>105943952
Oh yeah the guy who can't read and was arguing about fiber/copper cabling.

>>105943956
You gotta up your game, I get ghosted before I even get a reply

how do you get past HR in interviews when you're an autistic fuck that cannot help being honest and direct? (aka the complete opposite of the lying cheats they like).
i am just trying to get a small position as a software developer and interviews are usually just one with HR and one with the team lead. sometimes one interview with both. i always do well with the technical part but i feel like i get veto'ed by HR because they think "i am not the right fit for the company"

WELCOME TO UTWG, HOW UNEMPLOYABLE ARE YA

>>105944039
I had the same issue. You need a friend/family to work with it. Being direct and honest is a benefit if you work in tech so you could be forward with that by saying you like to resolve issues before they begin to appear by letting people know about the issue through the works proper reporting procedures. Its alot of fluff for saying you hate that things are broken.

What they likely assume is that you get your nose into to many things which can break alot of expensive shit. Its good that you do but you need to know management/procedures/coworkers exist for a reason.

Many other sites on job interview questions. Getting good at reading aloud would also help with interviews from my experience.
https://theinterviewguys.com/job-interview-questions/

>>105944082
I'm being ghosted by factory jobs and aren't strong enough to do construction labour jobs.

>>105944102
>What they likely assume is that you get your nose into to many things which can break alot of expensive shit.
my problem isn't that i break stuff and only work solo. i feel like they just don't want anyone that could be asking questions about why some parts of the codebase are held together by craft glue.

another problem i have is when HR asks me about my last job (i got fired from there after 5 months). the real reason is because my boss was a cunt and felt personally attacked by someone who asked about getting some time to refactor critical parts of the code base (it was close to falling apart). every other person at the company was dead inside and just did what they were told, no more.
but HR does not want to hear you blaming a past employer. even if it's just indirectly. i cannot lie myself through that. my brain is incapable of doing it.

>>105944137
don't put any education higher than highschool if applying to factory jobs, otherwise they know you're gonna jump jobs quickly

i unironically got ghosted by a mcdonalds that i live 5 minutes away from
are fast food jobs high tier now on the wagie list because you get free goyslop during your shift?

>>105944216
well, what did you put on your resume? they probably want desperate people that will endure everything without quitting or getting another job.

>>105944194
At that point I may as well cut the resume altogether and hope a cover letter's enough.

>>105930231 (OP)
Just got an offer for 25% higher than my last salary, and 12.5% less work hours (40 to 35). Dont lose hope anons

How are people getting an interviews? I'm probably more competitive then more than half the midwits applying for the same job.

>>105944228
you have to tailor your CVs if that means redacting or embelleshing to the job, retard monkey jobs aren't gonna hire someone with a degree that will walk the second their preferred job lines up for them.

>>105944356
What if I tell them I'm transitioning out of tech and am looking for a stable job?

>>105944361
Depending upon the company they might see you as management competition or labor with AI/Automation now on everyone's minds.

You can have a larger resume for IT but you should omit labor jobs unless its electrical related. If there is no carry over skills then do not have it on there.

>>105944336
>How are people getting an interviews?
i suggest not really questioning it. sometimes HR just doesn't want to do any work on the day your application comes in. sometimes you get filtered for no reason by their review software. sometimes your application drowns in a lot of others sent at the same time.
most of the time, your application isn't actually being seen by a human.
quantity > quality, just to actually get someone to take a look at your job application.

>>105944336
Same as the other anon but another aspect. You can re-apply even if there system auto-filters. You should re-apply again even if there interview went nowhere. The other company positions might be open for you. Job apps are not black holes were you are screwed for life if it goes nowhere.

>>105930257
>You're a human being, not a role.

>>105944361
these people pray on highschool dropouts they may not be smart but they'll still know you're full of shit

>>105944490
hey, at least you're still being talked to in that image. my last company fired me via letter after being sick for 2 days.

>>105944494
Jokes on them I'm serious.

This shit was supposed to be future proof when I started college back in the day. I'm fucking retarded. I got really unlucky with the timing, too. That hurts the most. FUCK me

So close to applying to three letter agencies at this point.

>>105944810
Know this feel. Of course I'm just extra retarded and took way too long to finally finish. The worst part is when I mention it to people they get confused why I can't find anything.

>>105944810
it was future proof when big companies were still overhiring and smaller companies existed for making profits themselves instead of being sold to FAANG.
now, after covid, a lot of unnecessary IT jobs were cut and the market was flooded with potential employees.
>>105945446
>The worst part is when I mention it to people they get confused why I can't find anything.
that really is the worst. in germany, politicians and the industry have gaslit the entire populace into believing there is a lack of (software) engineers. the average joe cannot believe an engineer cannot find a job. in reality of course, it is not a lack of qualified people, it is a lack of senior developers with 10 years of experience in one particular framework willing to work for entry level wage. the industry just wants an excuse to hire third worlders for minimum wage that will push breaking changes directly to master if permitted.
the entire field is just a gigantic circus

>>105945522
>the entire field is just a gigantic circus
It's going down in history that the entire field was on par with starving artists before AI actually does take over.

my new favorite unemployed tech wagie hobby is watching hawt tech girlies navigating this tech world and talkin' about their tech lives. Picrel is my dream tech girl looks-wise.

What do you think would be the best thing to happen for companies to not see any extra value in h1b slaves compared to citizens? I feel like the unionization of tech jobs

>>105945832
tariffs on jeet labour

>>105940770
>Would you guys work for a pajeet company full of pajeets?
rather have to live in a box desu

Had an interview. Tried to be honest with all of my answers and ghosted. I had to think about what I've done in the past to give honest answers and I really think that hurt me because that made me seem not as confident.
Next interview I get I'm lying through my teeth.
Why yes this company that you say is fast paced and stressful is my dream job and I won't leave as soon as I find something easier for the same pay. Why yes, I've worked on large teams with large teams and loved it. Especially working with obscure internal tooling or frameworks that no one else uses. Why yes, it'd be an honor to work 10 hour days at your company.

>>105945930
>to give honest answers
HR lies the second they open their mouths and so should you if you can

>>105945522
>now, after covid, a lot of unnecessary IT jobs were cut and the market was flooded with potential employees.
Definite overcorrection though, they're trying to play musical chairs with investor money and it's better to scrape by with a few people and some handicapped "AI" tools instead of hiring what you need
everyone i know still in the field is doing the job of 2 or 3 people while duct taped to some shitty tools by management and it makes me super scared of the bubble popping, i think it'll be the catalyst for another great recession

>>105946287
>they're trying to play musical chairs with investor money
tech really is no different from any other industry right now. every company is trying to maximise quarterly numbers for shareholders and private equity investors. no matter if it will kill the company in the long run.
it's not about *if* we will have another great recession, it's about *when*

>>105946403
Oh yeah, I fully expect another great recession, I just think it's gonna be tech companies getting bailed out that instigates it. No way anything Gemini/OpenAI/Anthropic/CoPilot are doing now is profitable, and most companies are just hooking up an API to it are using imaginary investor money.
Planning on having a kid soon so I've been on edge bringing someone into that

>spend 6 months only looking for jobs on linkedin
>switch to indeed and a couple other smaller sites
>land a senior role after looking for 1 month at the american branch of a euro company

linkedin is so garbage lmao

>>105947527
linkedin is filled to the brim with ghost job postings. i have no idea how you could rely on that shit for 6 months

Got an update from my FAGMAN recruiter and she's waiting on final feedback before letting me know if I get to the full loop or eat shit. 3-4 days after first technical interview to hear back isn't bad, right?

>>105947876
this was my first time job-searching on my own, i landed my first job right out of college without trying

How common is Scrum in software engineering and IT in general?

>>105948182
Some project managers have Scrum among other certs related to there shit but this is IT. I hear its good to get for resume padding but i hate renewals for certs. Collecting to many unrelated certs is also a sign of a job hopper unless you intend to use that padding for IT engineering of which you should just specialize further, get your masters degree and add a section for homelabs.

>>105948061

i wrote off my 2.5 years of neetdom as freelance. i did do an internship and a year of full time after that before getting laid off. should i remove the freelance part? my boss at my internship only realized i wasn't a fresh graduate on my last day

>>105948300
Come on man. I'm trying not to sweat too much about it.

>>105948559

>>105948182
pretty much every job will ask for Scrum or at least Agile experience. i haven't seen anyone actually asking for certs. almost no company actually uses Scrum correctly anyway. it's actually insane how many companies say they practice Scrum, when in reality, it's just waterfall with daily meetings with middle management.

>needs your SAT score when applying
>needs college transcript
>needs college GPA
>"What is your biggest accomplishment?"
>"Why do you want to work for us?"
>"What is the hardest thing you've ever done?"
What even is the point?

>>105948661
HR (humiliation ritual)

Reminder that if you can't even get a job in tech today, consider going into a different industry.

>>105934726
What is going on in this picture? Does the giant cat represent something?

>>105948307
Why did you get laid off?

>>105948836
flirted with my boss but turns out he is not gay

I have an interview at an IT company for a non-it temporary role. I got called a few days ago and sperged out over the phone, its been 4 years since ive last had a convo with someone not related to me, and probably like 10 years since ive last spoken to a woman. I forgot what this was like

>>105948836
It was just me and my boss working on a project and he became busy with other stuff by the end of last year and I was on autopilot since then. He said we reached a dead end on the project and told me to find something else.

where are you guys applying? linkedin is pointless, have never gotten anything from indeed, not even an interview.

>>105945665
What does she do

>>105942333
interview went very well, they were impressed with my portfolio and a lot of my experience lines up with where they are at
hopefully i can negotiate a bit more money at least to match my previous job if i land an offer

>>105948889
don't worry, HR people can't be considered women since they aren't even human. you're good. just talk to them like to the lizard people they are.

>>105930254
our prostitutes are not our women and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for paying for sex

>>105930231 (OP)
my team just kicked out indians from another projeet they failed entirely

>>105949872
i wonder how long it will take for the majority of companies to understand that they lose about 5000x more money from PROD going down because of jeet commits than they save by hiring jeets

>>105949908
>prod going down
their crap never went to prod, they produced tons of pdf "documentation" and bunch of helloworlds with buttons

>>105949908
If you think they aren't aware you are completely retarded. They probably have other motives for hiring them over amaricans, maybe political

>>105944082
I got rejected from McDonald’s… twice!

You are putting yourself as Hispanic/Latino on the equal opportunity survey, right anon?

>>105949990
no, i am pretty sure that they are retarded enough to think they save money by hiring jeets. you forget that most of the decision makers on hiring (HR, middle management) have absolutely no idea who is actually qualified to get the job done.

I'm getting pretty desperate here...

>>105950466
what is the job? digging for diamonds in the mud?

>>105950516
It's a technician role highly related to my field.

All the ones here in the US keep reaching "100+ clicked apply" in no time, so the idea of going to a fourth world country and being king of the nigs with an extravagant $23/hr sound pretty tempting.

>get online interview
>connect
>there's more than just the guy who sent me the mail
>it's a shitskin
I should just start leaving as soon as I see a shitskin on the call.

>>105934112
>Most people have no idea just how many software developers there are crammed into non-tech departments at non-tech companies, getting paid ok but not great salaries.
This has literally been what my entire career consists of. It's ok but I only make around 83k a year. Its not bad for my actual work but people here "software engineer" and think im doing 160K-230K a year minimum. My friend who was in finance was making 130k and I cant even fathom how I could ever get to that doing software unless I made the jump to FAANG.

>>105949323
i google ___ jobs near me find out the companies who are hiring and go directly to their career page and apply there.

That and indeed, linkedin sux.

>>105948620
if a company asks for "scrum" experience, it's a low-tier company.

you can pick up whatever process they use in a day or two of joining.

>>105932473
thousands of programmers are getting laid off, and those include very talented ones with years of experience.
what makes you think you'll get a SWE job if you switch now?

>>105942676
It's literally every race except whites that look after their own. Even white conservatives and moderates have lower in-group preferences than any other race. Then you have fucking white liberals with a out-group preference of all things, these people give favor to people who hate them and want them dead, it's insane.

Will I be able to get an entry level helldesk job if I finish my Network+/Security+ certs or should I just start looking for plumbing apprenticeships?

>>105952490
Yes those 2 certs should land you a job pretty easily for helpdesk. But plumbing pays more than IT if you run a company. If you have no goals of making a company that you own from the ground up then avoid the trades.

>>105952527
I've worked with computers my whole life so IT just feels more natural for me, but I just want a future proof job that pays a livable salary and I think at this point even on-prem datacenter work will probably get automated within the next decade. But people will always need tradies.

>>105952564
As it stands in IT you still need people to touch the equipment. They have been trying to automate us and outsource us through the cloud from the very beginning. All that it resulted in is that we spread out from ISP's to the companies themselves. Even then they still need hot sites, warm sites and cold equipment to manage. Multiple locations due to weather. Its not all over but programming is a different story.

>>105948307
I'd say you should remove it when you have enough experience to fill the space in the resume with. in the meantime, make it shorter, add "extra" stuff that you did on your last job or whatever so the bullshit is not as bad.

>>105930254
Oh we are going to so fuck with your food! This is war and all is fair! You ready for your monthly dysentery? We whites can be dirty hogs too!

>>105930254
I'm going to put raw beef chunks in your food :)

>>105952490
Have you already finished A+?

Do you have any internships etc?

>>105944810
Fell for it again award

this thread seems more active as of late, as is /utwg/. is it just me?
aso, how much do you wanna bet we have a fair share of tourists in these generals?

>>105953273
>Have you already finished A+?
I'm skipping the A+ cert because I hear that it's not really worth it but I have taken courses that cover the material on it when I was getting my Associate's. If I really have to I'll get that cert as well.
>Do you have any internships etc?
No, all internships in my area require me to currently be enrolled in a bachelor's degree program for some reason and local universities are all too expensive for me to enroll in just for internships. I thought I would be eligible for scholarships but I have too many transfer credits apparently and I'm too white to get grants.

>>105930822
SOC analyst is a good start but it's a shit job

>>105953331
TWG is filled with the spammers for the past month.

>>105934488
Can I see these ideas?

>>105935418
Since you're here I have nothing to fear then

I started working on WGU's cyber security master's degree so I'm not just twiddling my thumbs while job searching. I am now almost halfway done with it without a job in sight.

>>105953730
Atleast that comes with certifications. You hopefully will be fine.

>>105950105
They're too big to fail, IT companies have a shitton of money as they can extract a hundred times the value produced by a single employee. Hiring a bunch of jeets won't make a dent on their budget

I needed to send 120 resumes to land a fucking 6 months internship in Germany for my bachelor degree. I don't think I'll make it

>>105934488
Use AI to Realize those Ideas. Take a Risk. Start a Business. Become a Founder.

>>105934821
Why did this retard post a pic of a filthy gun instead of a clean one?

>>105953888
To show that they need cleaning you retard.

>>105953899
Maybe he should have posted a video cleaning it then, retard. It's retarded to show a dirty gun when your post is about how guns should be clean.

>>105930231 (OP)
Just be hacker, hack banking systems (is too easy) INSERT lot of funds to each account including yours, DELETE accounts of billionaires, everyone has money except one percent (several can coordinate worldwide to execute the changes in one night).
Perfect crime and can't be traced to anyone since everyone got money including police and LEA (a person can't prosecute himself).
Sadly most "hackers" are too cowards to do that.

>>105954076
prison sounds pretty miserable i dont blame them for being scared no?

>>105954076
You know that money that's added to your account via a bug or a hack isn't yours to use right?

>>105954117
Sadly is your to use, but you are a coward that don't want to do that pretending to be correct when you are a hypcrite and nothing else.
>>105954094
How would they go to prison if no one will be free from being pointed out.
You are thinking in small scale and didn't understood anything at all which just prove you are one of those hypocrites.
Why are you trying to protect the billionaires faggot? For them you are trash just as everyone else.
Last advice learn more you will understand what i meant with more knowledge.

>>105954180
No it isn't, the bank will sue for the money back unless you're a nigger or jew.

Almost 3 years without finding a job, stucked in the experience-job junior loop.

I'm a white young male, so fuck me. I'm doing a 1 year degree next course in hopes of having more experience and an internship, but I'm completely blocked, I don't know what to do. I can't simply go work construction or to a bar because it's hard work for shit pay and I unironically would earn more touching my dong and playing videogames and selling cosmetics.

>>105955477
>I can't simply go work construction or to a bar
Wait until you find out they often want experience, licenses, or other certificates.

>>105945859
Found the first liberal vote reason next term

>>105955477
cs grads are the biggest queens about having to career switch

>i WONT do construction or food service

yea okay bitch take out more debt to take up white collar studies and wait a few more years to find out you are still unemployable. great idea dude

>>105955477
Time to join the army anon sama

>>105956206
I will not help zog.

>>105949908
That's not accounted for in the almighty Excel spreadsheet.

>>105949908
The people actually calling the shots aren't dumb enough to not have realized that jeets are retarded, retard.

>>105953730
Cyber is hard to break into, if you don't have prior IT history it's unlikely you'll score anything other than an internship early on
In terms of internships, check with Banks/Insurance/Brokers/etc. They have large need of GRC/Blue/Red/IR/etc.
Usually they're bringing in interns for cheap this time of year. Also, fuck around with the tools on a home environment, some familiarity is better than nothing

>>105949908
I wonder if the retarded west will ever realize that they need people to buy their products, and they will go bankrupt from outsourcing over time and are just funding their future competition and demise.

>>105930254
you aren't human pajeet

Am I fucked if I have a protonmail address on my resume? I switched after I nearly lost my google account when they "detected suspicious activity" and locked me out for two weeks

>>105958630
lock in nigga. an email address is the least of your problems

>>105958630
I don't know, if protonmail has that option, but how about using your own domain?
That also makes switching providers a hell of a lot easier.

Wtf

>>105930254
>Implying US jeet slaves can afford Starbucks
Stick to python, low caste.

I have a 30min phone screen on Monday and I’m freaking out. I haven’t had an interview in like a decade and feel completely unprepared. How do people get over the anxiety? :/

>>105959077
Get over it you fucking faggot

>>105959129
Ok but how exactly?

>>105959077
its a screening not an interview. You literally have to answer yes or no that's it

>>105955477
>I can't simply go work construction or to a bar because it's hard work for shit pay
Just do it.
The McDonalds worker unironically has more chances of making it than the NEET. Unemployment is the most damning red flag.

>>105959129
lmfao

>>105930231 (OP)
Hey frens, I made it.
I got a great offer, but it requires me to leave California (onsite in NJ).
I fucking hate the rest of the country.
Should I take it anyway?
>Been applying since my unemployment ran out 3 months ago
>hundreds of applications per week
>only 3 real interviews
>first actual offer
I didn't even mean to apply for this job, got roped in by a recrooter in a moment of desperation.

>>105959570
even Canadians make fun of cali for being a draconian cucked hellhole. you will be happier

>>105959677
Like I give a shit what Canadians think.
It's beautiful here, full of hot women, and the weather is easily the best in the entire western hemisphere.
State income tax is truly outrageous though, and homeownership is complete unobtanium, even on a tech salary.

>>105959714
>it's expensive, I can't stop sweating, and niggers shit in the street outside my bugpod, but it's the best place on earth i swear!!!

>>105959570
new jersey? nice taxes do you have

>>105959570
I also just got a job and in NJ too :). want to look for apartments together?

>>105955477
wtf nigga just lie about ur experience god u ppl make it so hard on urselves

>>105953730
Every employer and their mom knows that WGU is a scam school mainly for unemployed people trying to patch a potential resume gap / extend their eligibility for internships

Same with GT OMSCS, to the point that actual graduates of GT's grad programs are getting mistaken for OMSCS people

>>105960570
Different anon. My experience is generally if a college adverts alot, pretends to be a ivy but gains in the rankings for college then likely its a scam. A key factor is WHO they advert too. JHU for example has a core medical school, physics laboratory and decent niche colleges. But the scam portion of it is that they advert their online Masters Degree to everyone and charge them 60k$ for it when a local college with less prestige would charge 20-30k for an online masters degree and stanford who was involved in CS from the start, itself would charge 60k$

>>105960570
Sorry you spent $50-100k for GaTech in person instead of $8k for OMSCS which is the exact same degree and generally considered harder because its more individual work.

802.11k is like being in a 40 floor building and there are 400 APs and you have a live connection to a site while in an elevator

802.11r is like driving a car while talking to someone on your VoIP phone

They both speed up roaming but k is indirect r directly speeds up negotiation by prenegotiating security keys

>>105959570
>>105960272
FUCK YOU, THOSE NJ JOBS BELONG TO ME

>>105960393
Absolutely everybody that hasn't been in the job market since before 2023 says this as if its some super secret esoteric black magic cheat code.
They don't even believe the stuff that I actually have done!
They think I'm lying because that's what every last jeet has done before showing up and being worse than useless.

>>105961398
God forbid the industry actually uses references like every other industry. Im close to joining the military so tired of proving I can work in tech after 13 years and some of them I worked on core s3 at aws. This industry is beyond cooked. Let the thirdies have it. Poverty is better for the soul.

>>105961398
fucking why? you know that state is jeet stronghold right?

>>105950626
>This anon a year from now

>>105950626
Careful, you know what nigs like to do to foreign kangz.

>>105936444
go back to mexico

>>105938530
When I was a kid I tried to guess John Romero's email while he worked at Id software and I sent him an email.

He actually wrote me back. Not making this up.

>>105961600
It's where I was born, its where I was raised, and its where I live.

It's a nice place when you get away from that narrow line of concrete stretching from NYC to Philly.

>>105961398
then you should do it, just lie nigga.

Interview says to dress business casual. I havent had an interview in like 10 years. What does that mean? is dress shirt + dress pants + dress shoes good enough? Tie or no Tie? I planned on just the shirt pants and shoes

>>105964026
Have you tried googling business casual?

>>105964026
Jeans and a dress shirt, shoes are up to you

>>105964041
Yes and its very vague. I was wondering what was the norm for IT workers

>>105964026
Get your dick out.

>>105964071
Try adding "for IT workers" at the end of the search.
Hey you're a tech guy, you can use one of those new fangled LLMs.

ive been working as a DBA for a little close to coming up on almost 2 years now and gotta say it isn't really what i was expecting.

the landscape has changed so much in the last 20 years (obviously). the biggest task my indian boss (at a white person company in the US) wants me to do is try to automate the monthly patching process. but we dont even do the updates, the infrastructure teams do, and we havent been consistently updating SQL Server across 2 decades, so it's only windows OS patches. so essentially my only real task is to somehow automate the detection of down databases post patching and email us.

my boss is not that much older than me (i'm 35) and he is constantly throwing around buzzwords like automation and python like i'm in some sort of developer role. super annoying to be honest.

any tips on landing another DBA role without having an extensive amount of experience doing super deep shit? we dont really stand up or re-configure environments that often, once they're good to go theyre good to go.

very lame.

>>105964026
get it

Why dont lay offs just sell their pee to be used as coolant for data centers

>>105964178
i think clean water is a more effective coolant than salt or otherwise contaminated water

Yeah i think ill go without the tie. The one i dug up was too long anyways

>>105964185
Nobody uses water in data center cooling systems. You're posting in the right thread, all right

>>105963870
They don't believe whatever I say, truth or lie. Excessive lying will just make them even more suspicious. Lying wouldn't even get you ahead anyway, since most people already do it too.

They expect you to lie. When that's the case, what you write literally doesn't matter. If you meet or exceed their requirements, then you're bullshitting. If you're just under their requirements, then if that's a lie, your real qualifications must be especially poor!

There is no winning!

>>105964026
Don't wear a tie unless you're also wearing a jacket. It's acceptable to wear a jacket without a tie for a more casual look, but do not wear a tie without a jacket unless you want to look like you sell phones at a mall kiosk. It's summer, so unless you're very fashionable and you know how to wear linen (and you're not), skip the jacket.

>>105930254
>still thinks this is an own
Grim.

>>105964299
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/just-five-chatgpt-queries-can-use-16oz-of-water-say-researchers

>>105932361
Wtf is FAANG? Do you mean FAGMAN?

>>105959570
CA is a high price shit show. It's a company's market so you'll be getting filtered by others should things not work out.You want to avoid being missreable like these fucks and you need to follow the job and ensure you land in place with other companies in the area you could work for or be willing to move.

TL:DR do it.

>>105964339
This is good advice, thanks.
Garden state, here I come.

>>105960272
No offense, but I'll pass.
GL out there though.

>>105930231 (OP)
I have two algo interviews next week. I havent done this shit in a year and trying to cram 15 leetcode problems a day. Its not even 10 days till i got laid off and i already wanna cry from this job market

>>105933635
i would without further questioning

Fired this month, how do I get a job?

Should I work for UPS or as lifeguard for at least some time?

>>105930231 (OP)
Plebbit CS reddits are imploding right now. Everyone is so mad that it was a scam. The truth is, that anyone with a brain could've seen it coming. First of all, you could educate yourself for free. So it was blatantly obvious that a college degree is a scam. How are you guys even getting interviews btw? CS has been confirmed a meme degree.

>>105965940
Here's another funny joke: freelancing.
It was simple, easy years back. Just sign up on a site, upload a portfolio, apply directly to jobs or advertise your services, you're good to go. Now it's more, have active clients, have pending jobs to finance future ones, bid on a job (as in put in some $ just to get seen by a recruiter), and only then will you get the job. Every freelancing app is the same. You may have the skill, but there simply is no entry point for beginners who are broke, and the apps are oversaturated.