But /g/ keeps telling me that renewables don't work

+$.50

Most of the world realized the energy you expend building these, and their maintenance/ecological costs are not worth it.

>>105933536 (OP)
China wants renewables because their current goal is semi self-suffiency and to make themselves more durable in the face of the global economies ups and downs. If the straits of malacca get cut off, if the middle east gets bad enough the oil stops flowing, etc. they want a energy source at home. That and chinese air pollution is fucking horrendous.

>>105933841
You can't into basic math if you think that about solar. Even just as a user for residential solar, it just make sense.
Wind doesn't make sense tho.

nvke Beijing

no alternate energy for america.

>>105933864
Solar depends on the scale applied and where you live in the world. Makes more sense the closer to the equator you are due to more guaranteed sun hours vs. the perpetual overcasts in my area.

>>105933859
they want alternative energy because not too long ago beijin was full of smog. Also solar cells are like 80% efficient now.

>>105933536 (OP)
Protecting their industry after demand in the west collapsed.

>>105933916
In europe, the globalized energy market makes renewables (especially those that can't ensure constant continuous electricity production) less viable. While solar and wind produces all the time at no cost (e.g no fuel to buy), the markets consider those for peak demand (Listed in the SPOT energy market and Real time balancing market, compared to nuclear power-plants listed in the long term market). The base demand is ensured by other electric powerplants that can deliver a constant supply of electricity all around the clock. So most of the time electricity made by solar and wind isn't being used at all. The way these projects get money is by being part of the capacity market, which means they provide surplus electricity that may be used during peak demand.

Also, economically speaking, in europe, return on investment for a solar/wind powerplant is around 4-6%, while most oil/gas powerplants are around 10-15%. In a capitalist system, it makes no sense for private investors to pump money into solar or wind.

republicans hate the environment desu

>>105933536 (OP)
That's because the loudest voices on /g/ can at best echo 10 year old memes. That being said, the way China is currently generating solar is still incredibly stupid and the way to combat this is by generating electricity closer to its consumer and not in a desert.

i hope they build more so i can get solar panels for super cheap.

>>105933841
just plain lying
>>105934540
yet somehow in spain investors can freely open new power plants, be on nuclear or fossiel, uyet they dont and keep doing wind ones without any kind of subside
you guys repeat retarded shit
>>105933883
no wind policy is just retarded if you want to promote local manufacturing, as it needs to be manufactured locally given how big the elements are

>>105933536 (OP)
I don't see a contradiction, unless you're implying that china is infallible...?

>>105933536 (OP)
Most people think that solar/wind is only good for peak load, when, with all the advances that lithium/sodium ion batteries have had, you can use solar/wind + a battery station for base load. Since the battery station can be charged variably, and discharged at a constant rate, it prevents the grid oscillation problem from occurring.

>>105936548
let me guess, you think food comes from the store?

>>105936605
i have probably plowed more dirt than you

I'm hopeful solving the climate change problem. Between exponential solar instillation and targeted wavelength emitters as well as DAC and sequester.
The US is pretty much the only country that has to get it's act together at this point.

>>105933536 (OP)
>renewables don't work
Only kikes say this because petrol is the key for Israel's existence.

>>105933945
>not too long ago beijin was full of smog
It was bad, but nowhere close to historical British cities that relied entirely on coal.
This image is wild. Germans spent half a decade bombing the UK and killed fewer people than smoke killed because the wind did not blow for 2 days straight...

>>105933536 (OP)
/g/ is made up of reddit who hate electric vehicles and hate solar/wind because they get their anti-Musk takes

>>105933841
money isn't an issue atm for the chinese and the ecological problems caused by production and maintenance of wind and solar are less bad than the ecological problems caused by consumption of fossil fuels. far less rivers are being polluted, far less people are getting air pollution illnesses.
wind and solar are the lesser of two evils.

>>105936625
im not gay. so probably so.

>>105933862
>>105933883
>not viable without a bunch of government subsidies
Why is this a bad thing again? Should tax dollars really be going into something that's not competitive? Just build more fucking nuclear plants.

>>105933536 (OP)
>NO NUCLEAR
>NO THORIUM
>NO FUSION
>NO WIND
>NO SOLAR
>NO HYDRO PLANTS
>OIL AND GAS ONLY!

Oil lobbies have done more damage to collective human intelligence than anything else in human history

>>105936984
take it back to r*ddit кoмpaд фaггoт

>>105933841
You simply cannot do basic maths.

>>105933536 (OP)
did they stop building coal plants yet or are those fuckers still doing that shit?

>>105933536 (OP)
That's a meme bro, no one can fulfill their energy only from renewable shit
>>105933841
this anon get it
>>105936560
>unless you're implying that china is infallible
yes, they are
they are just npc who do whatever they are told to do without evaluating it first
there was a time when the chinese killed all the birds because they thought they were agricultural pests. what happened was a disaster because the grasshoppers were actually pests and really damaged agriculture, and their population exploded because the birds that originally ate them were all killed
currently they are doing the same thing, building solar panels and batteries that consume a lot of energy and emit a lot of pollutants, only to gain.... little energy? lol
>>105936669
>>105936863
just a projection, falling for the WEF globalist meme doesn't make your statement valid anon, but you can call me jews or redittor or whatever you want if it makes you feel better

>>105937084
you simply are retarded

anons in 2025 saying that fucking solar and wind is not profitable, or that they are not the enviromental positive options
this board is beyong retardation

>>105933864
Wind makes sense in certain places especially offshore

>>105937407
It’s mostly oil shills, dumb boomers, muzzies, or some /pol/ nigger, just ignore them. /g/ is much more accepting of solarespecially since it has improved so much over the last 10 years.

Who said that?

>>105933536 (OP)
>But /g/ keeps telling me
it's actual piss drinkers of the camel piss drinkers, many such cases

>>105937421
cool it with the anti semitic remarks

and no, it doesn't. the windmills are ugly as shit, kill birds like there's a blowjob for the winner, and are exceedingly terrible for the environment. driving the columbia gorge used to be beautiful. now its ugly as fuck.
t. oreganon

>>105933841
>Most of the world realized the energy
Wind can have good eROI, solar stills is useful because ROI also matters.
All the problems related to wind or solar come from the analysts from an inversion company doing their usual too optimistic ROI forecasts trying to show better financial returns than are possible.

>>105936942
>Just build more fucking nuclear plants.
Oh, you mean those things that aren't viable without a bunch of government subsidies and have a decade long lead time?

>>105937685
>Oh, you mean those things that aren't viable without a bunch of government subsidies and have a decade long lead time?
That issue literally only exists due to the government regulations.

>>105937734
And those government regulations exist because nobody except or the most retarded lolbertarians on the planet wants to live next to a particle board nuclear plant.

>>105937928
the frogs seem to be doing ok

>>105937983
Oh, FRANCE built its nuclear plants without government subsidies? lol

>>105937928
Don't you get free electricity if you live next to one? I'd move there in a heartbeat if it wasn't expensive and there was one nearby.

>>105938045
No you don't, or at least it's not a given. It's like saying you get free energy for just for living next to a coal plant or a dam.

>>105938092
Ok, apparently it was a bongistan thing to try and drum up support for them.

>>105933536 (OP)
Source?

>muh gov subsidies
Amerifats don't know the US gov has been actively subsidizing oil wells, coal plants (minus sporadic penalties) and gas turbine/turbofan makers for decades
The world is closing old supercritical coal plants and replacing it with better sources or ultrasupercritical/advanced USC coal plants while the US keeps burning coal 1960s tier plants without flue filters to remove arsenic, mercury, cadmium...

>>105933536 (OP)
>live in Europe
>my country power generation is around 35% from "Free" sources like Wind and Solar
>somehow the prices for electricity are expensive as fuck and keep going up
everything is fake and gay in this World

>>105938512
america paying the toll for being stubborn and not letting the government do its job.