>2025
>10gb ethernet still isn't standard in every consumer product
What the fuck is taking so long? Is there some technical reason why prices are still so high and adoption has been so slow? I remember 1gb ethernet being in everything within a few years of it being introduced. But 10gb has been around for like 20 years now and it's still considered a "premium" product.

I don't need 10 gigabit ethernet to FTP 4 gigabyte ISOs to my original Xbox

>>105933732 (OP)
the jews have purposely cucked new technology they release. that's why you still get brand new itoddlerbooks with 8 gb ram

most people can't tell the difference between 10 KB/s and 10,000 it is the same reason cable tv is 720p and tvs are 4k people have no reason to understand how anything works. you literally cant teach people things they have no use for

Call me when the general internet can saturate my 2.5gbps port before I consider burning PCIe lanes on a card for faster hammering of my CPU processing all of that data.

>>105933732 (OP)
>high price
>high power consumption
>you'll need CAT6A cabling if doing it by the book

At least 2.5G/5G is coming a thing now.

>>105934005
I routinely saturate my 1gbps connection downloading things from usenet. If I lived somewhere I could get google fiber’s 8gbit plan, I’d be able to download an entire remux’d 4k blu-ray movie in 60 seconds.

>>105933732 (OP)
10 GbE is cheap as fuck. The problem is the switches being expensive as fuck because garbage companies like Ubiquiti prefer to gaslight you into thinking they're expensive to make.
You can easily buy a used Mellanox 25 GbE PCIe card for under $100, but a used switch with SFP28 will cost you thousands of dollars.

>>105933732 (OP)
because 1gb is fast enough for any typical usage only server guys would desire that kind of bandwidth
thus it remains a niche product

>>105934139
640K ought to be enough for anyone.

freemasons gatekeeping sfp+

>>105933732 (OP)
Would rather cheaper and better data storage technology

>>105933732 (OP)
It will be standard this year or next year. There's one cost effective 10GbE card so far on Alibaba that uses the new RTL8127 chip that was at Computex this year.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/1-Port-PCIe-10G-Ethernet-Network_1601486634706.html

More to follow soon with much cheaper cards from other vendors which you probably will be able to buy for $15-20.

Here's another one in M.2 form factor, so far this is the only one so of course price is high, but it will come down:

https://auvidea.eu/product/m20e-m-2-10gbe/?attribute_variations=Adapter+Kit

USB type C network adapter? I got you: https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/10GbE-USB-C-Ethernet-Adapter-USB3_1601486774109.html

So keep an eye on Aliexpress in Q4.

>>105933732 (OP)
It's $25 max to add it, who the fuck cares about this non-complaint. And it is pretty common on boards for non-poors too.

>>105933732 (OP)
>Is there some technical reason why prices are still so high and adoption has been so slow?
Yes.

>>105933732 (OP)
>ethernet that needs a heatsink
GigE is fast enough for me when I back up to my ZFS mirror set on spinning rust
This is my only use case for anything faster than 100BaseTX since I’m fine on a 100 megabit connection

>>105935048
Are you even consooming if your ethernet port isn't melting?

>>105933732 (OP)
No demand. What do you actually use more than 1Gb/s for? The vast majority of consumers barely need anything more than 100Mb/s.

>>105935096
I can only listen to podcasts so fast since I work from home
So no, not really

26 year old 1000BASE-T is all you need, consumer

>>105935254
>2000MiB/s ssd's
>can only transfer data between machines at 125MiB/s
even hdd's are faster than gigabit these days

>>105935254
>What do you actually use more than 1Gb/s for?

Some people transfer data between computers at home. Crazy right?

>>105935278
>no actual usecase
>>105935315
Okay? How often do you actually need to transfer tens of gigabytes between machines in a hurry?

And while you, as an enthusiast, might indeed have a usecase for 10G ethernet, the vast majority of consumers don't. Even 2.5G is overkill for them.

nobody has a 10gb internet connection at home so its pointless

It's coming slowly, 50gpon is being rolled out by some companies now.

Soon

>why isnt niche product made widespread

>>105935341
i got gigabit capable machine back when i was still on dialup, you could argue people don't even need gigabit. you can stream your 4k netflix slop with 100Mbit/s

>>105935400
>no actual usecase
Thanks for proving my point. Even most people who get into dickwaving contests about their machines only care about CPU, RAM and maybe GPU.

>>105935410
how about moving a game to and from my nas?

>>105935410
>>105935423
hell you may as well just say "usecase for nvme ssd's?", the use case is that they're faster

>>105935423
Takes 5 minutes on 1Gb connection, 2 on 2.5 Gb. And that's assuming you have a terrible taste in games.

>>105935432
NVMe SSDs are indeed faster... and even then most people wouldn't notice the difference going from PCIe 3.0 to 5.0 unless they run a benchmark for shits and giggles.

>>105935442
how about when my roommate's friend comes over and they transfer all the latest anime and movies since the last time he came over? that can take hours

>>105935372
That is pretty much this >>105934702

>>105935608
Sure, fair enough. That is a valid usecase.

But what you have to realize is that most people don't do that and so 10Gb ethernet remains niche outside datacenters.

>>105933732 (OP)
What's the point of ethernet at 10Gb/s? sfp+/sfp28 should become consumer tier instead. Ethernet has only downsides at these speeds.

>>105933754
Based Xbox modder.

>>105934050
Too bad most 2.5GbE NICs suck. Mine struggle with buffer overflow at or beyond 2000mbps.

>>105934087
Ubiquiti has a 4 port SFP28 + 28 SFP+ 10gbps ports for $900 brand new.
Or if you want ethernet they've also got a switch that has 2x SFP28 + 16X 10GbE + 8x 2.5GbE for $1200 brand new.

Though their SFP28 equipped router is $2000.

>>105933732 (OP)
10gbe NICs get very hot anon, and most people don't need more than 1gbe. I have a 5gb fiber uplink and my home server only has a 5gbe nic

>>105936242
Your ISP doesn't over provision?

My ISP has 2gig service but the actual delivered speeds are 2400-2500mbps and if you use 2.5GbE you'll max it at 2370mbps instead of 2400-2500mbps that you'll see using 5GbE or 10GbE.

So you're probably leaving performance on the table if you're only using 5GbE instead of a 10gbps connection.

>>105936261
They do but I already don't need 5gbps f/d so what is another 200-500mb for me?

>>105936261
>Your ISP doesn't over provision?
i'm lucky if i see 90% of the advertised speed, i've never heard of getting more than you paid for

>>105936409
It's more common on fiber networks

>>105934005
my 10gbe nic only requires a gen4 x1 lane slot to work at full speed

>>105935856
What downsides?

>>105936212
Based ubiquiti again, I enjoy how much they make /g/chuds seethe.

>>105934087
Switches should be cheap af (have you looked at what a 24 or 18 port with all the ports 10GBASE-T and SFP+ ports has? It’s generally like a sub ghz single core cpu, and less than 512mb of ram), you need to buy them from a server recycler to get them for a good price. You can even get a switch that’s all QSFP/SFP+ for like $200 with 1tbps of switching capacity.

>>105936409
I've had it for almost 20 years now

15mbps was 20-25mbps
50mbps was 55-65mbps
100mbps was 110-120mbps
300mbps was 320-330mbps
500mbps was ~550mbps
1gbps (when not limited by a 1GbE NIC) was 1100-1200mbps
2gbps is 2400-2500mbps

>>105936409
>>105936489
Forgot pic

>>105936212
>Ubiquiti has a 4 port SFP28 + 28 SFP+ 10gbps ports for $900 brand new.
That's about as good a deal as you can find without hunting for used shit or going around trash picking local datacenters.

Non-business class internet can't even saturate a 1 gig ethernet line, and that's when you're paying for a 1.5 gig network package. Why the fuck would anyone bother putting in 10 gigs?

>>105936768
If your ISP isn't shit it isn't a problem.

I pay for 2000mbps residential internet and get 2400mbps+

>>105936768
You're really just saying you have a bad ISP. Sucks for you, but that isn't what a good ISP does.

>>105936768
Actually I can saturate gigabit ethernet on my gigabit plan.
I can pull ~1050 through wifi
currently waiting for a modem with 2.5G ethernet, so bye bye wifi

the reality is that for +90% of the people we are already way past the point of diminishing returns
still i am happy to see the tech advance and get cheaper

>>105936957
DOCSIS is finally getting good (or at least decent)

>>105936452
the cables are absolutely massive and stiff, hard to work with and expensive, the ports require a lot of power thus run hot and there is pretty much no quality networking equipment that actually has 10GbE ports

>>105933732 (OP)
yeah it's fucking crazy but i can't find an affordable $50 10gbe switch so maybe that's related

>>105934702
>realtek

>>105937202
if buying new Ubiquiti and Mikrotik both have a 4 port 10GbE switch for $199

Ubiquiti also has an 8 port SFP+ switch for $280.
And Mikrotik has a 4 port SFP+ switch for $150.

>>105934005
Hardware offloading nigga

>>105937258
that is 4 times what anon said

>>105937669
Yes it is, I'm not providing a solution, I'm providing context on the current market options available.

>>105936409
Lodge a complaint with the FTC if you live in the US. If enough people in your area do it they come up the ISP's ass with a hot poker. Old codgers did this where I live in Florida did this and I got a refund check for a problem I wasn't even having. ISP speeds here are always overprovisioned because so many of their customers do nothing but sit around and look for reasons to make trouble.

>>105937221
Never had any issues with a Realtek NIC. Been using them since Win9x days.

>>105937820
na i'm not in the us. i'm not unhappy with it either, it's close enough to what i paid for and only business plans actually have any guarantees. what i wrote is a bit dramatic, any time it's significantly under the advertised speed they will fix it, i've called them up on that before. getting significantly more than advertised just surprised me

>>105937966
I mean, they work, they're just not good.

If you just need a network connection they're fine, but their 2.5GbE stuff struggles if you actually push them to 2000mbps+

>>105937976
To be fair the alternative which is the Intel i225 isn't great either
2.5gb is a clownshow

>>105938059
Oh I 100% agree, just saying realtek isn't perfect.

I personally would use 10GbE even if you're only using 2-3Gbps over 2.5GbE or 5GbE because they're just flaky compared to the good 10GbE server NICs.

>>105933732 (OP)
>Is there some technical reason why prices are still so high and adoption has been so slow?
heat
power

just use sfp+ like 99% of the population that want over 5Gbps of bandwidth, no one use rj45 for a reason

>>105938161
>heat
>power
Then why are they able to put it in a Mac mini that's practically silent and fits in the palm of your hand?

>>105938161
The heat and power meme is about to die with newer aquantia and realtek nics

10g only takes power because its actually an old as dirt standard and nobody has really invested in making NICs and PHYs with a modern fabrication process.

>>105938214
Do we have ANY actual power figures on them or are you just assuming?

>>105938221
AQC113 is ~4w actual draw according to STH
RTL8127 is reported to be ~2w

It's getting to the point where it is negligible.

>>105938207
>Then why are they able to put it in a Mac mini that's practically silent and fits in the palm of your hand?
new chip, as simple as.
I didn't say it was impossible just that power efficient chips did not exist.
>>105938214
>The heat and power meme is about to die with newer aquantia and realtek nics
I hope so.

>>105937976
I tried their 5GbE RTL8126 one and works just fine.

>>105933763
I want boomers and consoooomers to die so mich!!

>>105938274
>RTL8127 is reported to be ~2w
So a tiny heatsink will be enough for that then.

>>105938311
Have you actually pushed it to 5000mbps?

My RTL8125AG shits the bed with massive latency problems once I go near the PHY limit on sustained transfers.

>>105938326
The current design has no heatsink at all.

>>105933732 (OP)
most people don't even come close to 10 gig data consumption.
the average person is watching youtube, browsing facebook, and maybe playing a video game, all of which can be done at the very most, on 3 gigs.

>>105938120
There are no perfect product that gives infinite bandwidth for free. Trade offs are made at engineering level and marketing level. Realtek made the good choice to bring their products to mass production scale so common people can get GB ethernet for pennies that can be installed on any devices.

Your argument is nonsense

>>105933732 (OP)
>Pick up a 50$ refurbished NIC for each PC you want to connect.
>Strap a fan to them
Pretty useless unless you have internal networking that actually demands it and most people don't.
I have 10G for my PCs, but my link to the outside world is through VDSL2.

>>105938389
Only 4.7Gbps which if more than enough for me.

I live in Germany and this is the fastest I can get in my area. So what do I need 10G for?

>>105938744
That's not even enough to run a 2 bay NAS at full speed if you buy good drives.

>>105938398
https://www.cnx-software.com/2025/05/22/realtek-rtl8127-rtl8159-and-rtl8261c-will-power-low-cost-efficient-10-gbps-ethernet-cards-usb-adapters-and-switches/
>The good news is the low power consumption, which should make cooling easier and cheaper (Realtek claims a $0.125 saving on heatsink) compared to competing 10GbE controllers.

A heatsink will not hurt anything. So far I only seen designs with a heatsink that is not from Realtek show floor which is for demo purposes, not connected to anything.

These ones also have a heatsink https://x.com/TechPlusLink/status/1942294901594677758

>>105938761
More than enough for my homelab needs.

>>105938568
>sure we'll sell you a product that doesn't actually perform at the speeds it's advertised for, and this is totally fine and normal.

wewlad

I wouldn't care if it was 10-20ms latency hits, but it's 300ms+.

It's basically unusable for latency-sensitive applications at high throughput.

>>105938120
Never ever Intel here after the I225-V. Not worth the hassle.

Most people don't even have Gbit Internet. I don't think most people need more than what their ISP provides

>>105938891
That's just a myth that intel fags want you to believe.

>>105938932
I'm literally using an RTL8125 right now with that problem.


My next platform upgrade I'm going to be sure has a 5GbE or 10GbE NIC from Intel or Aquantia unless the new realtek 10GbE stuff actually performs well.

>>105938921
Its not just for internet, but also for intranet. There's great benefit to transferring from system to system. Right now, NAS systems are limited by router network bandwidth. Most consumer routers are only 1Gbps, so max bandwidth for NAS is 1Gbps. You may have a nvme stack NAS that has 7Gbps speed single, 20Gbps+ raid, but if you're limited by 1Gbps home network speed, its useless.

>>105938956
like he said, most people don't fuck around with any of that. normie streaming services give you cucked bitrates anyway.

>>105938782
The rtl8127's quoted power consumption is roughly equivalent to current 2.5gb NICs if not abit lower.
Your right in that a heatsink doesn't hurt, many 2.5gb NICs include a heatsink but its not necessary.

Realtek is really just leaving no excuse for why an rtl8127 can't be integrated basically wherever existing 8125 chips are. Device manufacturers and motherboard vendors are going to cop any excuse as to not give consumers basically the end game in networking.

>>105939121
I've seen on Aliexpress cards with and without a heatsink RTL8125 and RTL8126. Some vendors will definitely cheap out that's for sure.

Even on RTL8127 it will probably be fine without a heatsink at lower link speeds like 5Gbit and below. We will have to see.

There will be a bunch of people who will cry about performance not being that great because they will plug the card in a PCIe Gen 3 1x slot when in fact you will need at least a PCIe Gen 3 x2 or PCIe Gen 4 x1.

A ton of high end motherboards will have the RTL8127 at launch. We knew about this new chip for quite a while now even before it was announced, because Realtek left some hints in the Windows driver. Also they did wait for these patents to expire.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20030217215A1/en
https://patents.google.com/patent/US7164692B2/en

>>105939276
Even at 10Gbps it'll be fine, the only issues would be sustained 10gbbps transfers with a higher than average ambient temp.

In a normal desktop case with good airflow I doubt it would ever need a heatsink.

Both AyyyMD and Intlel cut down on PCiE lanes, a 10Gbe takes more than the 1Gbe.

It's also overkill for turd world shitholes and flyovers who are still on less than 1Gbps intrawebs.

>>105938956
What the fuck are you even transferring to your NAS? Go make yourself a coffee or something

>>105939308
1x PCIe 4.0 lane is 15.6Gbps
1x PCIe 5.0 lane is over 31Gbps

>>105939276
>A ton of high end motherboards will have the RTL8127
I'll believe it when I'll see it.
I'm extremely bearish with MB vendors. I don't believe they will actually use these chips to expand the amount of included 10G NICs and instead just use them to save the costs on the handful of boards they put aquantia chips on.

>>105939405
https://www.tomshardware.com/networking/realteks-usd10-tiny-10gbe-network-adapter-is-coming-to-motherboards-later-this-year

It is inevitable. They will shove down your throat as a premium feature when in fact the chip is cheap. Just watch... everyone will jew.

>>105939405
So motherboard vendors will pick the cheaper realtek chip instead of aquantia. Penny pinching at its finest.

>>105933732 (OP)
your harddrive can only write at 200mb u dont need more

>>105933732 (OP)
my brother I want these things ripped off of motherboards
they keep adding these to boards and slapping an extra $100 on the price of the board
I don't need it
I only want the post code display not shitty lights that diagnose fuck all
max 99% of people need is 2.5gbps even on the highest chipset

goddamn Taiwan

>>105939469
If you still have a hard drive in current year you have at least 2.

I am still on 100mbit because I refuse to replace my 20yo switches unless they break

>>105940276
gigabit switches are dirt cheap and in many cases free, how niggardly ARE you?
This goes beyond just being cheap into the realm of retardation/mental illness.

>>105940379
Because I don't need more. Maybe late 90s internet speeds have made me immune to impatience during files transfers. I'll just go watch a movie or do something else

>>105940557
Nah, you're just retarded.

I grew up on the internet in the late '90s too and I have 2gbps and wouldn't want to go back to anything less than ~500mbps.

>>105940557
don't listen to the upgrooder. if my switches were 100Mb i'd keep em too.

>>105933732 (OP)
Lack of a use case for most non-professional users and masses prefer wireless over wired ethernet.

10Gbps+ over metal drinks power. Optical fiber simply makes more sense in most cases despite its own set of issues.

>>105941144
>10Gbps+ over metal drinks power
not anymore >>105938274

i don't care how many gigs on the ethernet as long as i get to keep my PS/2
not buying a motherboard without it

>>105941191
Its from the switches not the NICs you dingus. 10Gbps switches driving multiple nodes over metal drink power

>>105941921
Why would switches not move in the same direction?

>>105941921
Anon, the RTL8127 NIC has a cousin, the RTL8261C which is intended for 10Gbps switching.

We're getting low power 10GbE, get over it.

>>105941963
Still drinks more power than 1-5Gbp and way more than optical fiber.
10Gbps+ over metal is niche at best. Get over it.

>>105942020
Oh no, a whole 2w per port. Someone call Klaus Schwab.

>>105942020
Not really "way" more, RTL8261C is ~1.65w per port.

SFP+ fiber is 0.5-1W per port
SFP+ DACs are 0.1-0.5W per port
SFP+ RJ45 Modules are 1.5-3W per port

It's slightly more than SFP+ fiber, and on par with or slightly lower than SFP+ RJ45 modules.

And compared to older 10GbE PHYs which were 3-5W per port.

>>105938274
>2w
hory shet
and i thought my aqc113 was pretty badass at 4.5w

>>105936768
My ISP gave me a "free" upgrade from 1 Gb fibre to 3 Gb fibre. I think their "game" was assuming no residential customer is gonna be able to saturate that because gigabit ethernet.
Jokes on them, I have a 10 gbE motherboard and am now seeding public torrents over VPN even harder. Even more hilarious, because the ISP has a media division.
>I'm doing my part!

>>105943446
It's actually more like 1.95W, and that's the maximum TDP for sustained 10Gbps transfers, actual real-world power draw would likely hover around 1W with only bursts up to 1.5-2w under heavy load.

More than low enough power draw to be passively cooled on a motherboard.