Thread 105959526

>Why Did Arm On Windows Fail?
did it? im pretty sure ARM is supported to this day.

Third-party Windows developers don't seem to care about Windows as much as third-party macOS developers care about macOS.

>>105959614
could say the same about first-party Windows developers tee bee aitch

even the gamers are fuming because of this
https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2662542-WoW-on-Windows-on-ARM-is-100-broken-on-Chinese-servers-%E2%80%94-no-workaround

Because nobody actually likes ARM lmao. Fuck this dogshit ISA.

>>105959764
>Because nobody actually likes ARM lmao
works on macs for quite a while and people love it.

>>105959792
they don't exactly have a choice now do they.

>>105959614
Apple forced them, Microsoft can't do that.

>>105959526 (OP)
Because you're stuck with Qualcomm and their dogshit drivers and firmware.
Mediatek and Nvidia both want to make a SoC for Windows on ARM but can't ship Windows pre-installed because Microsoft made an exclusivity deal with Qualcomm.

Lack of support. I want it to work

>>105959878
>Microsoft made an exclusivity deal with Qualcomm
Seriously? Qualcomm is known for their garbage software/driver implementations. Why the hell did MS go for them.

80% of users most likely use windows to run old pirated vidya like say GTA V. While ARM may be more efficient it's value aspect is TUUURBO DOOOGSHIT because it must emulate x86 code and the process will katana slice half of the ARM's chip's native performance in half.

ARM is essentially a huge HUGE scam where you pay more for a computer and get less especially when you factor in a fucking soldered SSD, you know the thing that has a limited lifespan of 1 to a few years depending on how much you use it?

>>105959967
>SSD, you know the thing that has a limited lifespan of 1 to a few years depending on how much you use it?
i have really raped my desktop, literally formatted and installed a new distro every 2nd day to once a week for a very long time, SSD still ist perfect after 7+ years.

>>105959967
>you know the thing that has a limited lifespan of 1 to a few years depending on how much you use it
if you ssd only lasts "a few years", thats a YOU issue, distrofag.

>>105959526 (OP)
shit software as usual

>>105959764
How come they like it on mac?

>>105959792
99% of Mac users use like 3 applications. Mostly adobe software. They probably didn't even notice the change.

>>105959967
>GTA V.
>old


damn

>>105959526 (OP)
because windows is garbage and the only reason people still use it is backwards compatibility, which you lose with arm

>>105959526 (OP)

Because Qualcomm is shit. In particular, the GPU drivers are garbage and their driver team is a nightmare to work with. If I go the rest of my life without having to work with them, it will be far too soon. I am convinced that the dev kit shenanigans was 100% Qualcomm and not Microsoft based purely on what it was like working with them. From what I have heard through the grapevine, it was not at all surprising to me at all.

>>105959911

$$$ and Qualcomm just being shitheads in general. The perf/watt of the CPUs are not at all bad, its just all the other things that comes with it (drivers and firmware) are VERY bad. Guess what the only thing tech media focuses on when it comes to ARM laptops? I'm sure they promised Microsoft a lot of things too. Can't really feel all that bad though.

>>105959967
>that has a limited lifespan of 1 to a few years depending on how much you use it?
Or a few days when the manufacturer fucks up the firmware or pushes a faulty firmware that kills the SSD. You know the thing that happens literally every couple of months to at least one of the major manufacturers and basically every other week with no name manufacturers? I'm sure it'll be fine OEMs are known for only picking the highest quality suppliers and only push thoroughly tested firmware :^)

>>105959526 (OP)
Software compatibility and hardware however I believe these two things will improve drastically in the future

MS never expected ARM version of client OS to actually be popular in any way, hence no collabs with vendors on devices
windows ARM port is strictly about x86 being more expensive than ARM on server side, client version is just a byproduct

>>105959526 (OP)
Same reason it's failed every time it has been attempted since 2012
>People keep using Windows because even their ancient shit will still run
>Windows on ARM does not run ancient shit

>>105959764
The ISA is actually pretty decent. There are various reasons why ARM has failed on the desktop, but the ISA is not one them.

>>105959526 (OP)
>JPG
u r dum

>>105959526 (OP)
I think you mean "Why did Windows on Arm fail"
and it's because Windows is bloated

>>105959526 (OP)
I don't even see any arm laptops with Windows. it's either macbook or chromebooks

>>105961768
Snapdragon laptops and all the qualcomm models Microsoft has released in the last decade through its Surface lineup.

>>105959526 (OP)
Because ARM is a dead end and because Windows is only relevant because of backwards compatibility. Compromising that compatibility with unreliable emulation completely defeats the purpose.

>>105959526 (OP)
Because there are no mid range WOA devices out there. You either get a business class surface -esque thing or you get chromebook-tier hardware
Turns out neither of these segments have a large customer base, so microsoft doesn't really do anything to make WOA better because barely anybody uses it.

>>105960057
Eh, it depends.
I have 3 SSD's that have failed, 2 have died suddenly (daily use) and one of them was used in a system that was powered on infrequently (during COVID it remained powered down for >18 months due to restrictions on work).
Flash memory is flawed, but daily driving can be fine.

The issue comes with things like power loss, heavy cache use etc. The 2 drives that died in action got just that, because at the time I only had 64GB RAM. The 1st drive lived from whenever Skylake was released to 2019, the 2nd drive lived from 2016 (OW release so May?) to Jan 2021.

There's a lot of factors that go into it, type of abuse, if power is cut and if the drive is continuously powered on.
I think flash memory is a good, daily driver type drive when used with a large pool of RAM and it receives few write cycles, perhaps with a UPS attached. However, for storage or anything mission critical, the volatile aspect still tracks.
Anything that is important should be backed up on a proper medium.

Flash memory i- should be cheap for a reason.

>>105959526 (OP)
no 64 bit support. no follow through on general
the translation layer performance was actually quite good although not on the same level as Rosetta 2

>>105959526 (OP)
Why use Windows if none of your software works on Windows for ARM?

>>105959526 (OP)
Microsoft doesn't have the same amount of will/control over to make their ecosystem good as Apple. The latter controls ever piece of the stack while MS always half asses it and then hands you a security nightmare.
They should have worked with some linux devs instead would have made more sense there they can control the whole stack and optimize and show a poc.

>>105959614
There's no proper documentation for developing on Windows on ARM

>>105959764
/thread

>>105960328
they need driver emulation layer, without drivers it's useless

https://windowsonarm.org/blog/66031766-b200-4b5f-a707-28a2a7888da9
Took them a while to get AVX working. Qualcomm exclusivity deal hurt them badly.
Also Nvidia is working on a 20 core gaming cpu, so it might kickstart interest in WoA, again.

>>105965375
it will only support linux

Going out on a limb here to say that ARM didn't have a leg to stand on.

I have a Windows on ARM tablet. It's fine.

>>105959967
What soldered SSD are you talking about? Steam dick?

>>105965430
I doubt that's true, we'll see at CES.