>needs a phone number
>uses centralized servers and promises "encryption"
>founded and registered in america
>founded by an ethnic jew to top it all off

You really aren't using this false honeypot, are you?

I use briar instead

Here's your founder of signal bro

Still trust using the app?

retard

>>105973735 (OP)

>>105973735 (OP)
Obviously not, I use encrypted SMS

I use pidgeons

>>105973735 (OP)
>>founded and registered in america
Why is that a problem, it is the biggest democracy of the planet.

>>105973760
I don't use signal or any of those other silly apps but I would trust that guy with basic E2E encryption. He looks like he relies on it to share his "collection".

>>105973735 (OP)
I use private radio transmission while simultaneously poisoning sms, imessage, whatsapp, and signal with provocative sounding keywords and send encrypted images of RGB noise.

>>105973735 (OP)
Morons like you have also been claiming that Tor is backdoored for close to two decades now, with no shred of evidence at all. Unlike you, those protocols actually do manage to provide substance.

>>105974553
> tor
Backdoored or not, it’s not wise to trust it unconditionally.
This is the precautionary principle.

Always use encryption within the encryption, and use tor through hostile (foreign) government vpns.
It’s common sense.

>>105974526
The, what?

>>105974553
LMAO
The majority of Tor nodes are in Germany.

>>105974696
>The majority of Tor nodes are in Germany.
I didn't know Muslims knew so much about technology.

>>105973760
Typical gen xer cryptopunk tier. The others turned stateside. It's the best we got. There are practical realities you have to deal with in regards to usability and p2p is not feasible at scale. It's not the one and only be all. You can use Secret X or whatever it's called.

>>105974526
Yeah sure, Jew shill

>>105973735 (OP)
Still no file support, and also it's risky to use Briar with unkown people because ID's generated from phone info need to be exchanged.

>>105973735 (OP)
As far as I can tell they purposely create problems for themselves when requresting information for smaller fish in the pond. Like conventional drug dealers or pedos or whatever. Then it becomes news that some three letter agency requested info that wasn't given. But obviously if the government really wanted to, they could either peer into Signal's databases or outright raid them if the circumstances are bad enough. Even then, Signal themselves have kneeled a few times and given requested info (at least partially) to the government.

At the end of the day, Signal teaches us one thing: the only way to truly stay anonymous on the internet is staying a small enough fish that they don't even care enough to expend resources on you. And even that is seeing it's sunset since Palantir is creating the Library of Babel of online information, and multiple-hundred-bullion dollar AI datacenters being able to monitor virtually all online activity.

>we logged out your desktop session, link the device again
I like linphone much more but still have to use signal because other people use it

>>105974612
>The, what?
He was confused that the USA was India because of all the H1B Indians.

>>105974755
because after Stasi, Germans are pro-privacy

>>105974696
>>105975441
Hetzner is cheap. That's the reason why.

>>105974908
>peer into signal's databases
they do this regularly, signal is intentionally designed to store as little about you as possible for this reason. IIUC its an obfuscated/hashed phone number, the unix millis when you created your account, and the unix millis when you last connected.

see https://signal.org/bigbrother/cd-california-grand-jury/ for an example response to a subpeona. this IS all they store or california would fuck them.

>>105974520
I hope you ceasar ciphered it before sending.

>>105975684
I feed them kebab leftovers

>>105973735 (OP)
my weed dealer makes me use it to contact him. don't worry though I live in a shithole country where nobody would ever do anything about it, so it being a honeypot doesn't matter

>>105973735 (OP)
>needs a phone number
Just dont be a spammer, or buy disposable number for like 50 cents or so.
>uses centralized servers and promises "encryption"
encryption has nothing to do with that + decentralised software doesnt work
>founded and registered in america
>founded by an ethnic jew to top it all off
and?

>I use briar instead
A while back, I decided to test out Briar to see if it would be a good choice of instant messaging programs. So I got one friend to download it, we both exchanged contacts over Matrix, and... we were unable to connect to one another on Briar. Perhaps it was due to the fact that I was using the desktop application and he was using the mobile application, but I don't see how that should be a problem in any capacity.

In any case, I've had good experiences with Matrix. Open source, doesn't require a phone number, does E2EE, completely decentralized, and works seamlessly regardless of what device you're using.

>>105975628
>signal is intentionally designed to store as little about you as possible for this reason
And you just take their word for it, while a google service tells you from whom you got a message at what time?
Don't you think that relying on someones words, while the observed reality contradicts them, is a bit silly?

>>105975986
Lol it just doesn't week in half of cases and has a lot of bugs. Also sending images is cursed, I tried gajim and there was some image bug, tried psi+ and saw in the logs that when you send an image it's actually a link, you can just open it in browser and it will be unencrypted, so in theory hacker can bruteforce the links.

>>105975910
>doesn't require a phone number
Then how are you supposed to be sending messages to your contacts.

>>105976185
I click on their username in the Element application, maneuver my mouse to the text field at the bottom of my chat history, type up the message, and hit enter.

>>105976243
Meanwhile if you use signal, it instantly recognises your catalogue and lets you pick a contact without hassle.

>>105976249
There's no hassle though. Everyone I want to talk to is just in this left hand sidebar in Element. The interface is... honestly very similar to Discord. Even an idiot could use it.

>>105974755
Without muslims europeans would still be shitting into pots and throw it out the windows.
The Renaissance was built on crusaders invading muslim lands, fucking everyone up, stealing their books and figuring out that they didn't even have simple history because the churches burned it all down in the name of religion.
Yeah muslims have problems these days, but it's not lile we've been bombing them back into the stone ages and disturbing their politics for over a century now, right?

>>105973735 (OP)
Even if this is true, it is still a better choice than Whatsapp.

>>105974553
https://www.wired.com/2007/09/rogue-nodes-turn-tor-anonymizer-into-eavesdroppers-paradise/

if one autistic Swede with 5 nodes can scoop up this, what can a state actor with massive funding and a lot more nodes do? The only reason it is functional for privacy in many cases (ie. illegal things like drugs) is because spooks need to have some legitimate traffic on the network in order to make it usable for their own purposes.

It costs £1 for a sim you can use to register signal and whatsapp and you can throw it away after. You can also use the number for about 6 months without topping up if you really need so but WhatsApp and signal will last longer. Filtered by an easy workaround.

my mom uses whatsapp so I have no other option anyway

>>105976185
>your contacts.

>actually store contacts in android app instead of text file
>every shitty app requires you to share them
>database entries of your friends receive additional "faggot" and "nigger" tags for their phone numbers according to what name you specified

>>105976416
My mom installed Signal just for me.
I don't even use Signal.
I use [spoiler]Molly[/spoiler]

>>105976356
You're actually FUCKED if you need to reverify your number

>>105976597
Not had to reverify my signal and whatsapp numbers for almost 3 years. And I'd just get a new one if I needed it because I have a temp number for a reason.

>>105976618
Well you have to if you need a new phone for whatever reason.

>>105973735 (OP)
>he thinks phone numbers are private information
Dumb fuck

>>105976634
They are one of the 3 main identifiers of a real person. IP, E-Mail, Phone Number.

>>105974526
India is like 4 times bigger.

>>105973735 (OP)
>Jami
>politically right wing
>anti-LGBT
>doesn't need a phone number, email or even a fucking nickname
>doesn't need centralized servers and actually promises real encryption
>founded and developed in white first world countries
>no third world US tier poor shit
>created and developed by Canadian Savoir-faire Linux Inc. and white community contributors to top it all off

You really are using this perfect secure, private, free as in freedom anti-American (anti- US third world) messaging application, are you? Only "negative" for some people is the fact that this is politically right wing and anti-LGBT

>>105976630
I'll just get a new number. Most people don't change their numbers and I mostly use WhatsApp for drugs. I only have one email address with my banking linked that's not temp. Everything else is throwaway.

>>105977184
>anti-American
>politically right wing and anti-LGBT
What? Where did you get such information?

>>105977184
Just use Whatsapp. Developer doesn't matter when it's E2E encrypted anyways.

>>105977184
just opened their site, I can feel the 1st world washing over me.

>>105973735 (OP)
>I use briar instead
Based

>>105976074
Then what's the solution to messaging?

>>105977598
->
>>105974916
>linphone
uncomfortable to add new contacts but seems to work well

>>105973735 (OP)
>I use briar instead
To talk to whom?

I don't need more

>>105975743
>buy disposable number
that's a crime where I live, anon
thanks orbán

I don't need more

>>105973735 (OP)
>you can only use it at 2 devices at once

into trash

>>105976336
>spooks need to have some legitimate traffic on the network in order to make it usable for their own purposes.
you figured out why tor was made in the first place, congrats

>>105973735 (OP)
telegram also needs a phone number

>>105977776
*WEF-egram

>>105973735 (OP)
>>105974908
>>105976356
Just roll your own messenging site that ciphers messages and then uses PGP over that, and deletes messages 3 minutes after they're seen.

It's niche enough that there won't be existing tools to exploit it. Feddies would have to examine it manually

>>105978157
Why are you so worried about feddies.
The most revolutionary act is avoiding reproduction and it is not illegal.

>>105978178
>feddies
kek you used my word
I'm not worried about them. I'm a good boy. It's just fun to challenge myself with using open source and secure software

>>105973735 (OP)
>false honeypot
Are you retarded?

>>105978233
you should use a real honeypot instead of a false one, goy!

>>105977750
Oh, its you again, hi. Regardless, even if it was a crime, Orban is probably more busy seething about jewkraine rn. In my cuntry we also have KYC on sim cards, yet I made dozens of throwaway accounts on different platforms with those disposable numbers. I also own brass knuckles and lockpicks (both illegal here). Just stop being afraid of everything.
>b-b-b-but i work in telcom company or whatever
irrelevant

>>105978481
good luck when you eventually land in prison, you'll need it

>>105978641
No, I will not, at least not for the number thing. You are just acting like a complete sissy.

>>105973735 (OP)
It's another case of op thinking that anonymity and privacy is the same thing.

>>105978668
it'll get tacked on when you get caught for other shit anyway

Yep, this is some bullshit. Why does it need to "link devices" on desktop?

Who knows how much dirt the likes of Google, Discord, and Signal have on my zoomer ass since my childhood especially since having a girlfriend, which as we all know is the worst security decision you can make.

>>105975986
nobody knows how to use this or get it to work

>>105978705
I hope Orban will allow you to lick his boots for 5 extra minutes tonight, as a reward for being a good boi on the internet.

>>105973735 (OP)
Centralized server isn't a problem with e2ee. Phone number requirement is total cuckoldry though.

>>105973735 (OP)
I trust Meredith

>>105973735 (OP)
i dont use it but i cant avoid getting a semi every time i see her

>>105978749
And what are they going to do with that data?

>>105973735 (OP)
>needs a phone number
only real "issue"
>uses centralized servers and promises "encryption"
it's trivial to verify if e2e is working
>You really aren't using this false honeypot, are you?
I've been using it since around 2015, my friends use it, my parents use it, I have no reason to use anything else.
>I use briar instead
>p2p
rejected, the goal is to not broadcast my ip to the world lmao, are you stupid?
p2p is the opposite of private, the entire fucking world and glowies from everywhere can connect to your devices and check for backdoors
in signal case, they need a subpoena but they don't store anything beyond the last ip and creation date
glowies from every country use it so it's safer than any p2p shitness that leak your data

>>105978769
This, I've tried and it's a massive pain in the ass.
Ejabberd and prosody are basically abandonware and if you don't have an instance already good luck spinning one up. All documentation is 10yrs out of date and half the plugins/modules don't work anymore.

>>105977363
e2e meaning from you to them

>>105978688
this

>>105973735 (OP)
That's why it's shilled so hard

>>105974546
>I don't use signal or any of those other silly apps but I would trust that guy with basic E2E encryption. He looks like he relies on it to share his "collection".
even in your fucked up scenario, that just makes him an easy blackmail mark for the feds
>>105976634
>Dumb fuck
post your phone number (you won't, because you don't mean anything you say. you are a liar and a hypocrite and no one takes your worthless post seriously)

>>105973735 (OP)
Let me guess, you gonna recommend telegram next? you fucking Pussisia shill

>>105981566
protip: you're not supposed to admit it's a glownigger operation

tell your boss i said you should be fired

>>105973735 (OP)
use meshtastic

>>105973735 (OP)
ive got signal but also i have no friends to use it so i just send myself notes about stuff ive read online.

>>105973735 (OP)
>it's somehow worse than sms which can be read by anyone nearby
are you stupid? did you get droped in ur head when ur babbyy?

>>105977756
can we have a /g/ jami group?

>>105985323
Yes. We also had irc channel, maybe it's still alive.

>>105974553
The public is only allowed access to the tor network because glow niggers and the US military want to hide their own communications through it. It's safe to assume it's compromised considering who owns it (and most of the nodes). Further more, most people access it through the provided browser based on Firefox. Which is just a horrible idea. But people that access it through shit like Brave are the biggest idiots of all. Since they're even more likely to be compromised via both the browser engine and the fact that they don't blend in with everyone else. The only thing I use tor is routing some non-browser traffic. I don't even buy drugs off it anymore (pro-top: The same people importing the cocaine to America are running all the markets. I hope you know who that is).

>>105973735 (OP)
The founder has ties to US glow nigger community. It's a massive honeypot which is why it's shilled so widely and often. Anyone using it is an idiot.

Try setting up your own service for this or running a tor node. I assure you they'll come knocking on your door within 3 months if not sooner. Happened to me.

>>105975628
>signal is intentionally designed to store as little about you as possible
A NSL can just tell them to start logging.

Sealed sender doesn't protect you from the server. You are using your username to check for incoming messages and it knows your IP, after that sealing the sender does nothing.

>>105985655
>dude tor is completely compromised because something something muh DOD muh Navy
>p-please i-ignore the dozens of d-drug markets operating for h-half a decade

>>105975957
You can look at the code and see what it is sending for them to store
Spoiler: its very little indeed

>>105973735 (OP)
just use whatever messenger other people use and if you're discussing illegal stuff only meet in person

>>105985610
/g/ had a telegram few years ago too. it was fun to check as it had a different tone than the board interestingly. in any case, jami seems sweet but I doubt it will happen. I think even in a board of tech autists too few people are willing to use it.

>>105985961
>federal agents with listening devices want you to believe it's safe in meatspace
lmao

>>105986052
This.
Signal is the best bet and less autistic option available. Everything else is unrealistic and will never be adopted by your avg joe. Signal is hard enough already

>>105974526
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

>>105973735 (OP)
I just use threema. Made in a non-shithole, good standard, actually works.

Imagine being too poor to spend 5 euros on encryption (cause I know you're fucking retarded you can buy licenses in bulk, there's no association to the transaction with the license).

If it's free, it's your data they're selling, no matter what they may say.

>>105986400
I can see that. I like idea of Threeema but honestly.. how many people you think will buy it for you?

>>105973760
That nose

>>105978769
>>105981217
Just use IRC.

>>105973735 (OP)
I haven't seen or heard anything about their E2EE being cracked and it has been vetted many times. At that point if your worry is about the content of the messages, it doesn't matter that it's a centralized server

>>105973781
This. OP is a retard.

>>105974755
>Without muslims europeans would still be shitting into pots and throw it out the windows.
You need to be 18 to post here, Ahmed

>>105979971
they will FORCE him to buy Google prime plus

>>105973735 (OP)
>>founded by an ethnic jew to top it all off
schizo post confirmed

>>105974696
Do you have anymore random facts like that ?

>>105975441
when they aren't caught with their hand in the cookie jar

>>105978157
Glowies are already on me hard bro but I don't use my phone to communicate with people that glowies would be interesting anyway. I know my smartphone pozzed but I want to use the best of tech to make my life easier and it makes me laugh that gchq have to come through hundreds of porn videos every time I take drugs just in case I'm using porn to communicate with their enemies. My smart phone usage is pretty tame give a few drug deals.

>>105980170
Phone numbers are trivial to aquire and last time I did anything crazy you could get a free American number to create a WhatsApp. I gave a Jewish girl my murican WhatsApp and she gave me her Jewish one lmao

I don't need to think about messaging apps because I use a basic flip phone

>>105986400
I just downloaded it but I have no one to chat to. Anyone want to add me?

Briar and Cwtch are best, SimpleX plus Tor if you need to loop in iToddlers or need secure realtime audio/visual contact.

>>105973735 (OP)
Briar was bought out by the CIA