Thread 105974485

Why are Australia's software devs completely outsourced to India?

Australian banks moved a large amount of capability to India and Vietnam already.

Because Australians are a bunch of crooks.

>>105974485 (OP)
>Australian banks moved a large amount of capability to India and Vietnam already.
Because if something goes wrong you can shift the blame and take no responsibility

>>105974492
You don't even live in Australia shut the fuck up cunt

>>105974485 (OP)
Because nobody in this shithole knows how to code. Aussies are the biggest NPCs on the planet.

it's because it's literally dirt cheap

>>105974485 (OP)
All interesting and well paying jobs get offshored. You're not allowed to have that. You're only allowed to have shitkicker leftover jobs. Australia is extremely Jewish, housing prices, rents, markups on products that don't cost that much etc, etc. Its all about price gouging and price fixing, while cutting jobs as much as possible

>>105974485 (OP)
Companies move them out and then move them back when shit goes wrong. It happened at my own company too, they were begging people they'd fired a year earlier to come back since the Indians were a disaster and the people tasked with talking to them were going insane from having to deal with them.

>>105974662
How did they convince the boss without sounding racist?

>>105974672
Things work a little different in Australia I guess. We kinda just say how we're feeling and in this case it was just flat out that the Indians hired were idiots, never responded, always tried to push work back and asked ridiculous questions they should know the answers to. Race didn't come up at all, it was just a frank "they're retards, we need to get a team here that know what they're doing".

>>105974704
That doesn’t make sense since the outsourcing is getting worse in Australia’s software industry. Please stop writing fiction on /g/.

Australia is a dead country with less perspectives than fucking malaysia

>>105974746
>Australia is a dead country with less perspectives than fucking malaysia

QRD? How fucked is Australia?

>>105974739
It varies by company. Like I said, mine did it and it took a year to finally start to fix things. Not every company is doing it at the exact same time bro.

>>105974754
His ESL 'perspectives' instead of 'prospects' tells you all you need to know (which is that he doesn't know anything and is a Sky News enjoyer).

>>105974739
Happens here too, it's like a revolving door more outsourcing, less outsourcing, more outsourcing, less outsourcing. Management keep falling for Indian projects that get shitcanned because they're shit. Philippines too not just India. Middle upper management is always looking for ways to get rid of jobs. But Indians and Filipinos end up increasing technical debt in these roles, shit is already a rube Goldberg machine when it works, then you involve Indians and you just piles of more work with very little return.

Have you guys ever heard of a multi billion dollar company wanting all their data sent to them as csv files on a daily basis, and have the csv files from different sources be relational? No SQL, no API, CSV files

Does Australia have culture or is it just an economic zone controlled by USA and China?

>>105974799
It's an odd culture. Very strong European cultural traits but with some of the more Americanised stuff (Dodge Rams, BBQs, hunting, football etc). BBQs have always been a staple though, so that's not some new thing and I think even the British have done BBQs for a long time too.

I've been to the US myself and there are similarities, but I wouldn't say we're the same or easily interchangeable. We don't have stuff like Walmart or those endless gas stations on highways like the US does for one thing, that's a purely American phenomenon.

>>105974820
>he's never driven the hume highway from Melb to Syd

>>105974828
This really isn't comparable to what I posted.

The Indian problem is the British's fault, not just outsourcing, but mass H1Bs and Indian invasion of every western country. If the British didnt introduce English to India then none of this would be happening right now.

>>105974842
Imagine how it could've been if it was China that went to India or even Spain.

>>105974836
The pic you posted in >>105974820
Looks like many polaces in Sydney, with the McDonalds, Pizza Hut is sadlt mostly gone.. no more dine in all you can eat, , but the KFC and other fast food places like Hungry Jacks etc are there, we do have intersections like that with servos on all sides with fast food up and down the place.

>>105974853
It's a little different when that is in a city itself and isn't just a stop on the highway, which is what that picture is. When I was in the US, you could be in the middle of nowhere on a highway and there would just be this mass of places like that pic in the middle of nowhere, it was bizarre. I even found some place that was just a large building between the directions of traffic and the inside was just a giant food court of all the main chains.

The other weird thing is casinos, they seem to exist alone on some highways with nothing around them, not even houses. I came across a massive one when I was in Nevada and it was at least an hour in every direction away from any other signs of life, eve a fuel station. The US is a really weird place compared to here in that way.

>>105974485 (OP)
yes we are on the brink of a complete productivity crisis because our government is packed with complete retards. A collapse in Australia would be a good thing purely because it would mean that we have an opportunity to kick browns, chinks and shit politicians out which would mean we could actually fix our natural resource export issue and make ourselves rich
It'll happen one day so don't worry

>>105974584
the good ones get on a plane and fly to the USA/Canada/Europe where they can actually make money and build a career. Private sector outsources everything, public sector doesn't pay competitive salaries and are full of no-hopers.

Trying to make it as a coder or tech is hopeless, IT here is all about making it to management so you can become a business analyst consultant spreadsheet jockey or professional jeet wrangler.

>>105974935
This is a good thing by the way. We should take a page out of the Spanish' book and just completely give up on being competitive so that opportunistic browns and asians can stop fucking coming here. At least we'll retain our culture

>>105974880
Its not bizarre, its supported by population, compare the population densities of these areas, we are centered around a couple cities mostly and thats it.

>>105974935
>professional jeet wrangler
Id rather be a professional jeet hitman, you guys can crowdfund a list of which jeets you want gone

>>105974963
Still, driving through the desert and seeing nothing for 2 or 3 hours, then a random massive casino, and then another 2 hours of nothing is really jarring. We could easily fit some strange massive shit like that between Melbourne and Canberra or Brisbane and the Gold Coast, I'm not sure why we don't desu.

>>105974485 (OP)
We do this every 5-10 years; outsource to shitskins, quality tanks, in source to whitey, costs go up, outsource again.

>>105974485 (OP)
They're cheaper. So much cheaper that their worse product quality output is well outweighed by the sheer workforce provided for pennies on the dollar compared to Australian labor.

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we're fortunate that our government is lazy and incompetent rather then actively evil and malicious like the UK government.

>>105974485 (OP)
every capable coder has one of the tiny number of non-useless government jobs, works defence or leaves the country, almost no exceptions

>>105974739
1. one set of management execs gets rewarded for cutting headcount, at the expense of some kpis falling in the future.
2. another set of management execs gets rewarded for improving kpis, at the expense of increasing headcount.
3. see 1.

>>105974485 (OP)
I'm Australian, and there's no fucking way I'd pay inflated Australian wages for a lazy and barely-competent Australian dev.

>>105974820
>endless gas stations on highways like the US does for one thing, that's a purely American phenomenon.

QLD? Perth? Darwin?

>>105975178
Live in QLD myself and nothing here looks like that, the worst we have is servos that have a McDonalds or Hungry Jacks attached. We also don't have multiple servos right next to each other like that burgerpunk pic, that looks insane.

>>105974795
maybe it's easier to get a db admin to automate loading a database using the csvs.
electricity and gas meter reads from aemo are csv over ftp.

>>105975382
There is something deeply unsettling about this concept

>>105974598
>>105974935
>>105975030
But what about the severe shortage of software developers and engineers everyone won't shut up about?

>>105974485 (OP)
White people are lazy and will destroy their societies to save a few dollars on labor expenses.

>>105975554
shortage of x is always bullshit except for maybe doctors

>>105975554
What shortage? Jobs are cut due to AI (Actually Indians), didn't the u.s. cut a tonne of jobs while simultaneously increasing a tonne or h1bs

>>105975554
I've heard Engineers Australia harps on about an engineering skills shortage and lobbies the government to import engineers because they make money from verifying their credentials. A large portion of imported engineers don't even end up in engineering, couldn't tell you what percentage though.

>>105975803
During lockdowns rents plummeted, and even some cafe hospitality jobs were offering $50/hr. When the jeets came back everything went back to low even illegally low casb wages and high rent

>>105975803

That's every Professional Association.

CPA Australia does this, I don't know about Australian Computer Society though.

Give it me straight lads, is it worth going to TAFE for a Diploma (Networking/Cyber or Programming/WebDev)?

>>105974739
nigga retards have been saying this for over 20 years now.. new managers keep having these bright ideas that don't work and thus the cycle repeats.
Anyway the curry is coming to us now anyway no need to send work overseas.

>>105974795
literally how australian banking works.

>>105974890
no it won't. australia is run by second rate people. anyone who has any ambition or competence does not stay.. we're just the lucky cunt and luck is running out.

>>105975560
this post stinks of curry for some reason. shouldn't you be holding up the line at the servo negotiating 2c off your fuel bill or something?

This is just every country on Earth right now. India has successfully convinced the retarded managers of the world that they can do the same engineering for 1/3 of the pay.

>>105977087
Certs are an annoying formality you breeze through after already becoming proficient in your own time. You should already know what you like and are good at. Solely going to school to learn cyber or dev is ironically a terrible idea and will get you nowhere. Your portfolio is a million times more important.

>>105977087
Nah, mate. I did one of those, managed to get a job, and now I kinda regret it. In short, Australia hates tech. There are much better jobs/careers to get into - unless you decide to move abroad.