Why not soldered ram?
You're not upgrading anyway. Just max out the ram capacity already

space/energy efficiency isnt at a premium on desktop

>>105976376 (OP)
If you can afford a maxed out system then sure.
The extra speed would be nice.

But if it's not maxed out then socketed should be the way.
Otherwise you're condemning the machine to landfill earlier that it needs to be. (And also making the thing worthless in the second-hand market.)

>>105976376 (OP)
>Why not soldered ram?
Because I buy used and by the time laptop becomes affordable e-waste initial amount of ram is not enough.

>>105976376 (OP)
>You're not upgrading anyway
I am.

>>105976376 (OP)
imagine buying a brand new r9/i9 and getting garbage micron ram

>>105976376 (OP)
>just max out the ram capacity already
If only. But they'd rather leave us with 8GB soldered ram as baseline, then charge $1000 for 16GB, and $2000 for 32GB.

I understand the cost cutting measures since sourcing nand chip and then soldering them is cheaper than buying ram module from third party and then integrating them. However I think they should take a hybrid approach. Just solder 16-32GB, however many, and then give 2 extra slots open for consumers to upgrade on their own, so that way its much more friendly.

what do you do with 128gb ram?

>>105976623
>2 extra slots
Greed is good.

>>105976376 (OP)
I'll accept soldered first party RAM if it defaults to the fastest possible clocks and timings, and is 100% guaranteed to reach and stay at those timings. Never having to look at a QVL list or play silicon lottery again is the only value add that would make it acceptable.

>>105976593
>>105976640
4 sticks of DDR5 you'll be lucky to run at 5000 MT/s.

>>105976640
Well, I figured solder ram would be dual channel for optimal out of the box experience. And adding only 1 slot would fuck things up, so dual slots for best experience.

>>105976376 (OP)
soldered ram sucks, upgrading it is a pain in the ass and requires specialized tools + massive risk of ruining your device. manufacturers sell more soldered ram at like x4 markups
normal stick ram is sold normally and can be upgraded easily.

>>105976639
llms
and uhh
llms

>>105976639
what do you do with a 128kb hard drive?

>>105976623
>give 2 extra slots open for consumers to upgrade on their own
Not sure anyone has tried this.
But I imagine the problem would be that having those traces would compromise the speeds you'd be able to get from the lpddr.

Also, doesn't lpddr work at a lower voltage?

>>105976639
Cry, and wish that I was on a platform that supported more ram.
(Want to run big LLM.)

>>105976764
Game saves?

>>105976376 (OP)
people like to overclock their ram and its easier to swap out a stick than to desolder a chip.

>>105976814
Less than 1% of people overclock their computers

>>105976858
cpus come pre overclocked nowadays (9800x3d = 4.7ghz base clock - 5.2ghz boost clock

ram also comes pre overclocked via xmp/expo (jedec to 8000mhz)

your gpu is also pre overclocked (7900xtx base clock: 2500mhz, boost clock: up to 3000mhz)

even monitors are overclocked (from 120-144hz to 165-180hz)

>>105976639
Upgrade it to 256 GB.

>>105976677
Ok boomer. It's not 1995 where laptops cost $2500+ in 1995 money. After inflation, they actually gotten cheaper.

>>105977017
compare the price difference of a phoner/laptop with 32gb soldered ram and 64gb soldered ram to the price of the ram

>>105976639
A hundred thousand audio samples all crying as one voice. my renders are fast but I like to run 6+ oscillators in a synth sometimes for independent voice control, and that hogs CPU. more basic patches can be left running from the synth but it adds up. It's comforting to know that I can have an absurdly large number of audio files in a given track
otherwise yeah LLMs, and wishing I had 256gb for that instead. someone really needs to sell a big NPU at a consumer price point or something. or that ZLUDA shit needs to take off, idk

>>105976646
>100% guaranteed to reach and stay at those timings
The only way that will happen is if they abandon xmp and memory overclocking altogether and standardize all ram to jedec >17ns cas latency profiles across the board like in macs and smartphones

>>105976639
Firefox

>>105977116
>equivocating LPDDRX to DDRX