Why? All the new kiddies are using Hyprland because MUH RICE. But why? DWM is way better. Since when did performance and stability get pushed aside for "look at my shiny new thing." Just use DWM.

>>105987080 (OP)
>it is time to remind them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuW9SiA8hNo

>>105987080 (OP)
contrarian bullshit. that's it. it's a wlroots compositor so I doubt it's any better/worse than any other wlroots one.

>>105987080 (OP)
hyprland is easy to configure, and you still get the cool title of "I only install a window manager" despite a fucking DE is way more minimal than hyprland lol

>>105987080 (OP)
>using xorg
DWM is deprecated

>>105987080 (OP)
Isn't the hip new thing now being hyperland w/ dwm?

>>105987129
DWM wrote the book on minimalism before Hyprland even existed. Why would I not use X11 and avoid all the wayland growing pains and quirks.

>>105987190
>DWM wrote the book on minimalism
tl;dr hyprland > DWM

>>105987080 (OP)
>All the new kiddies are using Hyprland because MUH RICE
ricing can be fun. it also keeps up to date with wayland features
>DWM is way better.
dwm doesnt and never will have hdr
>Since when did performance and stability get pushed aside for "look at my shiny new thing." Just use DWM.
dwm targets suckless enthusiasts
hyprland targets everyone who wants a modern dynamic tiled wayland compositor with animations and features that wlroots doesnt want to implement.

reddit: the window manager

>he fell for the dwm minimalism meme

>>105987738
use case for hdr?

>>105987080 (OP)
Are you really comparing dwm which is supposed to run on outdated xorg and be nothing but a tiler with hyprland which was made to take advantage of wayland and thus provide a trillion optional features for ricing like 166fps animations however you want?

Sure to you it is bloat but you are unemployed anyway.

>>105987080 (OP)
>this is the average state of /g/
I have a feeling that people on g are so poor they have to cope about Indians

>>105987190
DWM is only minimal because X11 is bloated spaghettiware. Wayland is the minimalist's display server

>>105988101
>Oh you don't have endless time to customize your OS? What are you, unemployed?

>>105988129
Some people (like many of g) enjoy ricing. Contrary to you I am not a manchild so I let people use whatever they want. If they use something evidently ill informed though (x11 dwm) then I inform them.

>>105988129
if you didnt notice by now most of /g/ is unemployed overweight below average iq white guys

>>105987080 (OP)
compare wayland code with x11. whoever likes x11 has never read a single line of code of the projects.

it's accessible and customizable + large userbase to help out with quirks or whatever, who cares really

>>105987080 (OP)
youtuber said so

Hyprland spikes my RAM usage to 500MB immediately. I could run a minimum GNOME session with that.

Hyprland is pretty and easy to configure and supports basically every esoteric wl protocol

>>105988170
people who say that have never actually looked at the current xorg code
it's actually pretty clean, modular and well-organized

>>105988079
Gorgeous looks

>>105987080 (OP)
I installed it as a test when I migrated to wayland from x/i3. I was surprised by how many keybinds the default config lacked. It was like a tiling wm for people who don't actually use it like a tiling wm. Beyond that I haven't done much. My i3 config felt better honestly.

>>105988895
same boat as you anon. tried sway but it felt off. went back to i3 as it was just simpler and I didn't even notice the bloat on my 14 year old memepad. DRI2/DRI3 was enough imo
maybe for newer computers the difference is night and day?

>>105987080 (OP)
Wayland is better (no screen tearing and fractional scaling) but hyprland and window managers in general are retarded. I'm not fucking spawning a process everytime I press a media/brightness key nigger, and I'm not coding my own desktop shell just to avoid braindamage things like that. Just use KDE.

>>105989124
>no screen tearing
TearFree has been a thing for years now.

>fractional scaling
Where did this myth come from? There's no inherent restriction on fractional scaling on X11, but toolkits have to support it natively (GTK doesn't).

>>105989178
>TearFree
>Go hunting in some config file to turn on a per-driver option on each machine
No thanks, I'll pass. Wayland kills screen tearing, out of the box, with no config. If you really want tearing in fullscreen programs/games you can still have it, it's an option in the compositor.

>GTK doesn't
So Firefox doesn't, GIMP doesn't, Nautilus doesn't, virt-manager doesn't, and like half of all Linux apps. Of course alternatives exist like Chromium, Krita, Dolphin, some jeet qt version of virt-manager, whatever other alternative. But having to find alternatives to apps because they're made with a fucking desktop toolkit that doesn't support fractional scaling on X11 is retarded.

Not to mention X11 is essentially a dead project other than that XLibre vaporware bullshit and will never support complex stuff like HDR or let alone fucking different refresh rate monitors. You can jerk around with it long enough to fix it, but I switched to Wayland on KDE 6 and never looked back, it supports mixed 120 Hz and 60 Hz or whatever the fuck you want perfectly, with any scale. KDE made X11 sessions optional recently, GNOME is planning to drop it entirely. Most commits to Xorg are Xwayland maintenance. There won't be an X12. Suffice to say the world has moved on.

>>105988120
minimal to the level being free from basic features

>>105989594
I can't tear a single screen on X, it's either every screen or no screen.
I can't use HDR on X.
Hyprland supports everything I used on X except honoring size hints for the terminal, the two previous features ate more important than the latter.
I can also capture windows and still have them render in OBS on my stream when they're not visible on another workspace. In X, once a window is not visible, it stops rendering, because X fundamentally cannot handle this without a fundamental redesign.

>>Go hunting in some config file to turn on a per-driver option on each machine
It was merged to be enabled by default in Xorg. Xlibre already did it.

>>105989503
>having to find alternatives to apps because they're made with a fucking desktop toolkit that doesn't support fractional scaling
Too bad, but that's a (You) problem, not an X11 problem.

>DWM is way better
hyprland just works, being customizable and nice looking is a nice addition

>>105987112
>DE is way more minimal than hyprland lol
what

hyprland is cool and all I but I think it lacks the feel of being an desktop computer

>>105988511
just use oled

>>105987080 (OP)
i use dwm and you sound cringe

>>105987109
they dropped wlroots

>>105991031
nta but a minimal GNOME install on Arch uses the same amount of resources as Hyprland. since it does nothing out of the box, the moment you actually add shit like a status bar, wallpaper daemon (because that shit has to run in the background on Wayland) and such it'll easily be heavier than GNOME, not even mentioning actually lightweight DEs like XFCE or LXQT.
KDE does not apply because it's actually impossible to make it lightweight.

>>105991345
This. GNOME is not inherently bloated, they just make it harder than it should be to achieve minimalism.
As for a more direct comparison, something like Sway or Labwc with foot has such a ridiculously low footprint (heh) that it makes you wonder what the hell Hyprland is even doing.

>>105992392
Vaxry is just a very bad programmer

>>105989503
>will never support complex stuff like HDR

it could've if not for red hat
https://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2017-July/054112.html

>>105987080 (OP)
Hyprland just works and I can update my settings without having to recompile the entire window manager.

>>105987080 (OP)
i wonder if i'll ever stop using bspwm. i started when it was first posted and i think i'm gonna recreate it in Arcan. fuck Whyland.

>>105987112
just use i3 if you want minimalism, nobody fucking cares anymore, fruitger aero is back, and minimalism is dead

>>105987080 (OP)
niri is better than both

>Wanna try Wayland but i'm acostumed to my BSPWM setup
>Look around available options, most suck
>Give this Chudland meme a try
>Look the docs
>It basically rips off BSPWM's tree model
>It even configured the same way with minimal built-ins for command composition
>Mfw basically this shit is the most popular Wayland compositor among the l33t crowd
I find poethic that the BSPWM vs i3 debate really settled like this

>>105992872
This /pol/ vaporware is fairly close to bspwm in philosophy. Probably the closest Wayland will ever be. Realistically your best option is just waiting for the Wayback X server to be a thing. Once again it's Alpine whom has to clean the mess.

>>105992392
Labwc is the only reason i give a shit about Wayland. Openbox but modernized, i love it.

>>105993169
I want to use my computer. I don't care if some other thing has marginally better animations.

>>105993464
I don't use niri, but the difference is not the animations. It's about the layout of the tiling. Niri does this horizontal strip where all the windows just get added to the right of the workspace. That workflow seems pretty strange to me, so I haven't tried it yet.

>>105993016
>fruitger aero is back
I'm really glad about this. Vista and win7 was peak.

>>105993169
Niri is really good, I have used it before. But it still suffers from the problem of just being a compositor, therefore having poor integration with the rest of the desktop. For example as mentioned previously, needing to spawn a process on every media key to handle it. Downright retarded. Another example is systemd integration: on a normal DE, each app gets spawned in its own scope. If an app OOM's, only the app's scope is terminated. On e.g. Hyprland, each app is just a process, in the same scope. If any app OOM's, the whole desktop session is killed. On Niri, each app is spawned in a scope by the compositor, but again because it has no desktop integration, spawning an app from within an app (e.g. opening image viewer from file manager) doesn't create a new scope and the image viewer process spawns in the file manager's scope. Then if either app OOM's the other is killed as well.

Does anyone know of a solution to this? How to get apps to spawn in their own systemd scopes outside of a DE? This is the last thing keeping me from switching to Niri because otherwise it's phenomenal.

>>105993697
how often are you encountering ooms? jesus

>>105993706
Rarely if ever.

But if one does happen I don't want anything taken down other than the app that caused it. For example the terminal I use (Ghostty) has even further integration with systemd so it only kills the split/pane/tab that was responsible for the OOM.

I don't want a photo viewer spawned by Chromium to die if Chromium OOM's - I want Chromium to die and nothing else.

>>105993706
within like 2 hours of using hyprland i crashed to tty because of a buggy xwayland window. i can't remember the last time my whole desktop crashed on x.

>>105993697
UWSM solves this

>>105993967
>UWSM solves this

Only partially, unless I'm doing something wrong. It solves the initial app spawn case, and even then you have to prefix every app spawn with `uwsm app`. What about when an app spawns another app? If you `touch file.txt` then double-click it in your file manager to open a text editor, then `systemctl --user status`, it should show the text editor in a separate scope. But with UWSM and Niri they are in the same scope. Or even worse if you `touch index.html` and open in Chromium you'll see the file manager scope polluted with all the Chromium processes.

>>105994076
Yeah this is annoying. I think it can be partially mitigated by overriding `xdg-open` with `app2unit --open`. Unfortunately this won't work in apps like Nautilus that don't use `xdg-open`.

It's certified Chudware and all the kids are Chud these days

>>105994569
the fuck is chud

>>105994595
short for chucklehead

>>105994606
no its not

>>105993169
whats the use case for this?

>>105994767
transitioning

>>105993464
You can have better functionality while having better animations. The main difference is that niri is a scrolling wm.
>>105994767
That's the Overview feature, you just see more about your window placement. You can use the same keybinds, but it is designed to make mouse usage easier.

>>105987080 (OP)
Why are you so addicted to external validation that it angers you when someone uses something different than what you use? Maybe work on your self esteem issues instead of obsessing over what others are doing.