When will bubble pop

when people no longer care about 1girl gens.

so never.

>>105990404 (OP)
>>105990459
When the investors demand profits. There won't be any profits. Nobody pays for AI, and it produces nothing of real value. Coomers will not be a profitable demographic.

>>105990479
@grok is this true?

JUST 500 BILLION MORE

>>105990479
>>105990479
>Nobody pays for AI, and it produces nothing of real value
It produces data on consumers and spots terrorists
>Coomers will not be a profitable demographic
If only you knew...

>>105990523
AGI in two more weeks, gimme 1 Trillion dollars, goy.

>>105990459
>so never.
Don't be so sure about that.

>>105990404 (OP)
>>105990479
>real value
read "the panama papers: breaking the story of how the rich and powerful hide their money" by bastian obermayer and frederik obermaier (Oneworld Publications Ltd, 2016)

>>105990479
I wonder how many retards are paying for those sub-par chatbot services already. I bet they're pretty profitable. Not like they need heavy duty stuff to run their dinky models.

I just to shill long enough to keep the haters from running everything. If I’m a good goy AI will let me play video games and coom all day and be my robot girlfriend.

>>105990523
>$500 Billion
Dude, how many problems could be immediately fixed if that money was applied elsewhere?

>>105990459
i tried googling for some cyberpunk concept art today and got like 90% slop. i remember like 5 years ago i would get a ton of great art doing that. rip

>>105990523
Please give me 5 gazillion

>>105990479
kek
delusional
that's how free market and capitalism work, which we don't have
(((they))) will just print out more money and hand it to AI, and the subsequent inflation means the money comes out of your pocket
You WILL pay for AI and you WILL like it

>>105990479
>>105990624
afaik theyre running all the chatbots at a loss. and i reckon the free chatbots getting spammed by the third world are a ginormous money drain too. the best thing about chatgpt is that you can ask useless shit for free and then forget about it, so i don't see it surviving enshittification and price gouging very well. some people will assuredly keep using it but are they going to get fuckhueg profits from it? probably not

>>105990523
Cool. Now you know the bank you should withdraw your money from ASAP.

>>105990917
softbank is not a fucking bank. it's just some gobbledygook name for an investment firm.

>>105990404 (OP)
There is no theoretical ceiling on available cash. If the resources exist to do or attempt to do what you are trying to do, then the cash/financing can always be created.

>>105990935
Oh really? Anyway I'm pretty sure there is some bank that is funding them by keeping their equities and shit. Find out which one and stay away from it.

>>105990479
>>105990532
NovelAI has admittedly gotten a decent chunk of money out of me. it also turned my dick into a twisted hunk of beef jerky and my cum into pulverized talcum powder.

>>105990817
give 500 billion printed money to humans
>purchasing power goes up
>people buy way more shit
>suddenly mass inflation
>panic
>confusion
give 500 billion to tech company
>drive stonks up
>make rich people even richer, who aren't gonna buy anything except more assets, so no inflation (except asset inflation but thats good actually because line goes up)
>boomer retirement portfolios secured
>economy saved for another month

>>105990957
>and my cum into pulverized talcum powder.
just eat moar zinc bro

>>105990964
If you gave money directly to people and they used it to pay down debt (not saying they would), it would be directly deflationary. I'm also skeptical about the possibility of mass inflation. The surprising thing about the COVID inflation is that it wasn't higher. The growth from increased velocity would likely outpace any inflationary problems.

stupid fucking goyim still works and believes in fiat money that is backed by that very thing, belief into the Jewish overlords, i adore how they keep humiliating You by valuating themselves with some ridicilous numbers all while You work for not even a 00000000000001% cause again Your money is backed by fucking nothing xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaaxxaaxxa

It's not just money, how much water and watts of electricity is used for this shit?

>>105991020
>If you gave money directly to people and they used it to pay down debt
somehow i think americans paying off their student loans and credit card debts would cause some sort of crisis. at the very least the entire system relies on putting the young and able into massive debt so they can be harvested for the productivity for cheaper and boomers can be worth more money

>The surprising thing about the COVID inflation is that it wasn't higher
i'm pretty sure the current on-going threat of inflation was directly caused by covid spending. it just takes time for this stuff to bubble out

>>105991025
Ditching the gold standard was something the Germans and the Japanese pursued in the 30s. The actual countries controlled by jews didn't do it until they had no choice and they still keep trying to scam people by selling gold.

Money has value based on what you can purchase with it.

>>105990820
>90% slop
Use the magic keyword: `before:2022`. Or better yet, use Kagi, cause Google sucks ass.

I love the matter of factness of AIs though.

>>105991115
>something something gibberish nigger words gold standard ooga booga
fuck off jew nigger your shekel is backed by NOTHING lol

>>105991084
The Fed keeps hiking rates and a lot of the credit keeps going to fuel asset bubbles like real estate and stocks, generally monopolized by the already wealthy.

If you instead relied on crediting reserves directly to the general public's bank accounts rather than trying to stimulate lending, you would disperse purchasing power more evenly and would eliminate the money multiplier effect of compound interest. The general public would also probably, but not guaranteed, borrow less on credit cards which would further tamp down on the multiplier effect.

The government has to expand the money supply anyway, but there's no iron law of accounting that requires them to pay interest when doing it.

>*jeetjeetjeet sounds*
hunh?

>>105990404 (OP)
12 billion is nothing
chump change to these companies

>>105990479
>When the investors demand profits.
The trick is that these same investors are invested everywhere.
That's why all big companies are forcing AI everywhere, doing everything.
It doesn't matter if the service is worse, everything will be AI.
And the shareholders will make big bucks.
The market is not consumers it is B2B.

Haven't you noticed that if you call any company these days you are forced to speak to a chatbot for like 5 mins until it inevitably can't help you and connects you to a human?
These 5 mins you lost are money into the shareholder's pocket.

>50 million more GPU coming in the next 5 years for xAI
>500k new gpu added in few weeks
There is no such thing as "enough" intelligence. Intelligence scales exponentially.

>>105991282
llms cannot become more intelligent than the average human since it scrapes our created content. the literal IQ of AIs will be forever stuck at 100.

>>105991355
llms are more intelligent than the most intelligent humans today, at all scientific subjects.

>>105991044
>water
none, water doesn't dissappear when it gets used for cooling
>electricity
in total a lot, but per request almost nothing. When you have a chat on chatgpt, your monitor to display the chat uses much more electricity than was used to generate the text that's displayed on it.
It only seems so much because pretty much everyone on Earth uses it almost every day.

>>105990404 (OP)
If it looks like it's gonna pop they'll get the biggest bailout ever. AI is way beyond TBTF now, if it's permitted to pop it will pull down the entire rest of the market with it.

>>105991525
all AIs can do is smush together language used by smart people. the way the current AIs are designed, they could never figure out you get water by combining oxygen and hydrogen without a human being writing "combining oxygen and hydrogen gets you water" somewhere first

>>105991836
If the limits of AI will always be the extent of the smartest people on earth, then commoditizing that intelligence will change the entire world.

>>105992161
reciting by rote is not intelligence, even if you do it on a scale impossible to a human

>>105992161
if you consider that everything on the internet is scraped (as opposed to only known high-intelligence content), the earlier anon is probably right in that the top IQ of LLMs at the moment is the precise human average, that is to say 100 (unless content is cherry-picked).

>>105990404 (OP)
I don't get why someone would invest in xAI.
>Grok is WAY behind OpenAI/Google/Anthropic and behind Chinese LLMs too
>Elon isn't able to attract top AI talent ("Bro work for lower pay and for more hours")

>>105992239
Content is cheery picked, so it culls bottom sub 100 IQ content. And currently, AIs are training on self themselves so they're getting even further ahead. IQ avgs of the top models are ~130-140IQ right now. A year or so ago, they were ~100 IQ

>>105992247
Reality simply doesnt match your claim. "its all fake" fails when independent benchmarks verify the model and show it to be the smartest.

>>105991282
xAI's hardware team is incredible. I am very curious if they end up using some of Tesla's next gen training chips as well.
>>105992247
He poached Nvidia's head of AI yesterday lmao.

i feel like there are people who structurally don't have a good enough grasp at logic to talk about AI. take this for example
>>105992275
>And currently, AIs are training on self themselves so they're getting even further ahead.
like i intuitively know that can only degrade the results, but for some reason, some people think it's good? like it should be obvious that if even 1% of all the stuff AI produces is a completely incorrect hallucination, and also it trains on itself or other AIs with a non-0 hallucination rate, then on a long enough timeline they will all regurgitate nearly 100% hallucinations

>>105990404 (OP)
when boomers die
boomers love aislop and dont care that its a digital hell with no jobs or future prospects for the younger generations

>>105990883
yes, because AI race is the new nuclear arms race for world domination (or so they believe), money doesn't matter, zuck offers billions to top AI research talent
but coomers here who never leave their gooner threads dont read even commonplace info about AI and think it exist only for garabage gens

why is everyone overpaying for nvidia gpus? like why arent they breaking from cuda?

>>105992384
>I intuitively know
You dont know. You only read about some paper that did some shoddy test and the meme headline became viral. Its just shoddy work that you're referencing.

Its not that "some people" think its good, but the smartest AI engineers are doing it right now. So the conflict is between a meme paper you read a year or so ago and that became your "knowledge" vs actual engineers/companies doing real work.

>>105992313
Dojo2 is supposedly entering mass production mode by this years end with the latest TSMC fabs. It should be able to do video training, llm training. And should be extremely competitive with B200. It makes sense that Tesla would want to sell excess to xAI to lower their own cost/unit.

https://www.ctee.com.tw/news/20250712700050-430501

https://x.com/samwose/status/1944019621222179072

>>105991020
>The surprising thing about the COVID inflation is that it wasn't higher
it was, and it was emergently mitigated to remove money from the circulation and delayed and still going on
see: real fasfood prices are up 2-3x for example, not their bullshit official number

>>105992478
Surprising thing is, people are sleeping on this. Not only the Dojo aspect, but their local inference chip AI chip 4/5 etc. In house chip design saving them billions on Nvidia, while at the same time, learning how to make chip design. There is a huge force multiplier that xAI/Tesla can very well take advantage of, if they're moving ahead with their in house chip solutions.

>>105992470

amd datacenter gpus are all soldout too and they power the top supercomputes btw, supply cant keep up with demand

>AI gets better
>Poojeet code gets worse
Make it make sense

>>105992568
and why would it get any better when its more jeets relying on ai instead of qualified engineers

>>105992554
Also, this is following Apple's path of inhouse chip design. All Tesla is missing is an actual chip fab. SpaceX locally produces their Starlink circuit boards in Texas that packages various chips from Texas Instruments for Starlink. If Musk integrates further work into SpaceX or Tesla or xAI in computer chip packaging, Musk could create an independent system from Intel/Nvidia for full range of products across all his companies internally.

>>105992649
This whole thing feels like Musk is 10 steps ahead, 10 years ago. As he ventured into the chip making business.

What's the issue? I thought Elon Musk and co. were BASED and heckin redpillederino or something.

>>105990404 (OP)
As long as the ball keeps rolling faster and faster and delivering more value to people it should just keep getting bigger. ChatGPT, for example, went from 500 million weekly active users to 800 million weekly active users from February 2025 to April 2025. This is just one platform, with many others experiencing similar rates of growth. Currently ChatGPT experiences roughly 2.5 billion daily prompts. That's a good cause for such growth.

Basically, expect the bubble to deflate when demand stalls or AI abilities flatline (neither of these are likely to happen anytime soon, given the use cases for AI in the modern day are virtually infinite with agentic technology, and multiple AI labs having models so good that they legitimately fear releasing them to the public).

>>105990817
The point is to money launder for jews

>>105991163
>boomers could put every bit of interest on their taxes
>this led to extremely low taxation on their wages
>this also led to next to no inflation on their debt as it was against their income tax
>they removed this, installed pension systems and taxed every form of income possible
>they then used their acquired wealth to corner housing and land
>they then brought in rules to prevent construction on land as it'd devalue their property
>they then used the acquired property to gouge out 50-75% of most adult incomes to line their own next
>they then taxed pensions, making investment firms flee abroad
>they then made it so they could get mortgages to buy properties to let, which caused inflation on already extreme prices
>they then flooded the country with migrants legally
>they then put all future infrastructure on credit with banks and firms
>this meant the country was on infinite debt payments
The list goes on but the reason the Western world is fucked is Boomers.
They live to 100 years old while retiring at 60, meaning they claim for longer than they worked, while barely inputting their own pension but voting for your money to pay their lives.
It's why only the legally employed, with no criminal records, should be able to vote and anyone else should be told to go kill themselves if they don't like it.
Britain has 11 million pensioners who paid in next to fuck all and get at least £14,000 a year in state pension and tax credits while paying in less than £10 a month for the majority of their lives. They are also who supported the last 5 globalist wars and support for shit like Israel and Ukraine where we have no real gain from it.
It's literally generational genocide.

>>105990817
US has $37 trillion dollar in debt.

We have fixed 0 problem.

No cure for cancer.
No cure for aging
No cure for poverty
No cure for energy
No cure for pollution
No cure for disease
No cure for depression
No cure for hunger
No cure for obesity
No cure for war
No cure for ignorance

Money doesnt solve anything.

>>105992995
>given the use cases for AI in the modern day are virtually infinite with agentic technology
why can't it restore search engines back to early 2010's-era strength

>>105990820
You can't even get a good profile picture anymore because of AI slop. It's a hassle, and even Duckduckgo is fucked, Yandex is apparently safe
>>105990817
Nothing ever happens bro. Rich get richer and poor get poorer.

>>105993062
Every poor person in the universe now has access to AI that is equivalent to world's smartest person for free. They can ask any question about any topic, ask for any help on any way possible. Poor arent getting poorer. Poor are getting richer. Poor now has more access to wealth of knowledge than the richest/smartest men from 100 years ago.

where the FUCK is all the money going

>>105993093
Nigga they will spend more time with female Grok than anything useful, you are retarded.

>>105993102
Cryptoscam coins

>>105992313
>Here's your 500 BILLION dollar cable management bro

>>105992893
Fun fact, Jim Keller was a major part of Tesla's chip design.

>>105993102
You know, every time some sort of bad news like this happens, I notice a huge shilling wave happens on boards like /v/ and /co/

>>105993129
Those are just the endpoints. The scale of what they are building is absolutely massive.

>>105993093
Fake and gay

The average proletariat dosent have the money to pay for the most advanced versions of AI.

>they now have access to the most intelligent person on earth

Fake and gayer
OpenAI cant even remember the conversation context after the fifth prompt. LLMs are retarded.

>commie larp: the masses don't have access to the best teachers that's why they are dumb
>radio is invented
>not the same, actually it makes you dumber
>tv is invented
>not the same, actually it makes you dumber
>internet is invented
>not the same, actually it makes you dumber
>LLMs are invented
>not the same, actually it makes you dumber
Meanwhile there are teenagers working at the forefront of math and science and LLMs will make it so preteens can contribute too.
You of course will never, because your IQ is too low.

>>105990893
Copilot failed at multiplying 5 digit numbers last time.I tried.

>>105993335
i see it's morning in india. morning, rajesh, what's the newest hip AI?

>>105993361
The existence of a shitty model doesn't disprove the existence of good models

>>105993335
>TV and Radio programs with no educational content
>Internet knowledge bases being maintained by academia and non-profit, while popular content is full of brainrot
>LLMs making people retarded and mentally ill

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/magazines/panache/is-chatgpt-making-us-dumb-mit-brain-scans-reveal-alarming-truth-about-ais-impact-on-the-human-mind/amp_articleshow/121955720.cms

Lmao, lolbertarians are retarded

>>105993335
>and LLMs will make it so preteens can contribute too.

>>105993461
Both are true, the dummies use it to goon and the smart people use it to communicate about interesting and useful and intellectually challenging things
>>105993484
The flexibility of the preteen brain is a great advantage. They can learn languages much quicker than adults, and LLMs can speak in the language of mathematics or programming naturally to them. Put 2 and 2 together you can do it.

e = mc^2 + ai

>>105990404 (OP)
there is no bubble
first of all, money isn't real, they can and will print it endlessly for this
AI is real and if you aren't pivoting to an AI-proof career for the last maybe 10 years of lucrative work that's left for humans to do, you're an idiot

>>105993042
You mean in regards to optimal search engine results with minimal fluff and ads? If you want to solve things via the contemporary search engine medium then AI could theoretically improve that, but that kind of misses the point. Platforms like Grok are simply better than the traditional search engine UI, where you basically get your own personal Jarvis that searches the entire internet and curates its answer by parsing all sources it can find to deliver exactly what you want from where, eliminating 99% of the fluff you otherwise would have to sort through and read.

I don't see a point in trying to solve the problem of smashing a rock with a surgical precision laser.

>>105990404 (OP)
When locally ran models can good enough to compete with models ran on centralized servers. There's no point for most business to take on the energy cost of running LLM's, especially when you shift those burdens onto the consumer. The near future of """AI""" is your model running a local model, but need to pay a subscription to access features that'll require API integration or internet capabilities. I could see Gemini on phones needing a google one account to access much of the "advanced features", it's somewhat talking place already imo, pic related. Right now it's pro, but as the tech bro wallets gets tighter, Gemini on phones will get more stingy on features and access after normies get accustomed to using it.

grok more like cock lmao

>>105993670
Lol

>>105993093
>AI that is equivalent to world's smartest person
not true, yet, but they will
a good litmus test is when AI-capable third world nations start advancing at impossible speeds

>>105990479
>Coomers will not be a profitable demographic.

>>105990479
Not entirely true, this is also part of a geopolitical dispute between the US and China which at its core is not profit driven.

>>105993093
You fucking dumb troglodyte we could do that already, it was called the internet and it hasn't lifted us all up by our bootstraps yet. AI doesn't change shit it just does the same thing but with even less reliable results, and ahits up search engines with slop. Maybe one day AI will achieve a level of "old Google" but so fucking what? Three steps backwards and one step towards

>>105992905
He mentioned the prescrubbed Epstein files it's ogre

>>105993531
The mentally competent individuals that I know are only using LLMs to reply emails from Karens o using it as a search engine to seek lecture content made by humans. They don't want a retarded machine to mess with their thought process.

>>105993335
>>LLMs are invented
>>not the same, actually it makes you dumber
TBF, most people are using LLMs to do their homework instead of actually learning the material.

>>105992649
>All Tesla is missing is an actual chip fab.
yeah, NVIDIA too. And Apple. And so on.
odd that, everyone not rushing out and building themselves chip fabs, isn't it? Even Great Genies with the foresight like Musk to design their own chips 10 years ago all STILL depend upon TSMCs limited capacity. Its almost like chip fabs are so expensive and complicated even halfwits like Musk who spend all day shovelling AI 'investors' cash into giant furnaces haven't yet went down that fucking road to ruin.

>>105990523
China was so based for saving us from that boondoggle

>>105993062
>>105990820
>You can't even get a good profile picture anymore because of AI slop. It's a hassle, and even Duckduckgo is fucked, Yandex is apparently safe
Remember all those anti-artist people? Remember the democratising art argument?
Yeah. How's that working out now?

Unpaid artists doing it for passion while existing on a meagre income or good ages in another job was the golden age. Now? Now that image is a premium, it can be used to train models (for free). Good luck finding it when every search has been crippled.
You could have cute 14 year old girls and 37 year old badasses posting this stuff online for free, every day but no. You had to go and ruin the internet in 2007 and then let America crash the economy, bail out the bankers and watch real terms wage growth flatline leaving people in perma austerity.

You don't even deserve the scraps of DeviantArt! Demonoid .zip albums are too good for you.

>>105990817
>>105990964
>>105991020
The trick is to give that money to people, but then have them slowly release the money into the economy over years, drip fed.
That way the markets lose money, take the hit and at the same time they can hike their prices but if nobody buys, then they lose money.
It has to drop.

You could take $1 trillion and have it released on a monthly repayment plan to pay off debt @ 1% above current rates, lock the interest rates and watch as the system slowly has to correct itself.
By pouring massive amounts of money into lobbyists to get the freeze reversed. Central banks were a critical part of the economy that we lost thanks to Friedman.

>>105995865
Meh. Even regarding unpaid artists, nothing will change their opinion. They had one bad experience with some literal who on Xitter and started their crusade on artists as a whole. I'm not exaggerating when I say I've read it all. It's useless. Let them be.

>>105990459
Idiot. How long until you realize that AI was not created for us peasants, but for the rich businesses? They won't stop putting money into it, until they got rid of the last software engineer.

>>105990479
C.ai has 20% of the traffic of all Google services. Combined and it's very profitable already(70% margins, higher than Nvidia and apple)

The bubble is not collapsing because a lot of services are already profitable.

>>105990479
Depends how fast they go and how many things they break along the way. AI corps primary goal right now is to make everyone dependent upon it. Same game as cloud killing local hardware.

They want to reach that point where stopping using AI and having to retrain and rehire human workers is more expensive than continuing to use it after they rug pull and reveal its actual costs.

>>105990404 (OP)
do they build dedicated power plants for these data centers or just plug them into existing grid and hope it won't shit itself?

>>105996202
no problem bro, AI is going to crack fusion so energy problems are going to go away

>>105990479
>Coomers will not be a profitable demographic.
I can be described as a coomer and I refuse to use any form of AI in any capacity and filter all AI "art" on all platforms I use. AI is for subhumans and third worlders.

>>105990817
but what if its the problem that they want?

>>105991355
no, the reasoning models are using synthetic data now as well and that scales infinitely with compute
basically a form of self-play like alpha go zero

>>105990817
Zero

>>105990817
AGI will fix everything (wipe us out)

>>105991259
>somehow money was made by adding a useless AI system on top of the working human system
>the AI system that does nothing somehow costs negative dollars to build and operate
>shareholders love the useless AI which generates money somehow
Dumbest take in the thread.

>>105992470
their software stack is just superior

>>105990404 (OP)
Soon enough. I am enjoying the bubble as a software engineer (no, nothing close for it to take my job) earning a high salary, but on the other hand I am sitting on a pile of cash waiting for the crash.
30% of my liquid net worth are in SP500 savings account
30% are in a 5% interest savings account of my bank
40% are just cash that I stare at in my bank account.

>>105990952
Softbank is funded by a lot of Middle Eastern sovereign wealth funds. They managed to lose 99% of their value in the dot-com crash and still stay afloat.

They do not care. A .1% chance of developing some world dominating tech is enough for them to keep pumping money into every branch of vapourware they come across.

i'm not complaining because i'll be able to buy a datacenter b200 for like $300 in a decade

>>105996809
theres $500+ billion dollars of investment going on. surely they can use that money to make something better

>>105994871
You're living in the pre-2020 era, grandpa. AI is here to stay because it already has enough data to harness from the internet.

>>105997968
it doesn't work like that
money by itself doesn't just solve the problems, its teams of engineers
and its a moving target
eventually there will be competitors but anybody else is starting behind and its a whole stack of all kinds of things they are competing with, not just a GPU, but the interconnects, the software (on many layers)

>>105993032
>No cure for aging
People live 5x as long on average today as 150 years ago, people used to have 10 children with only 2-3 reaching adulthood (assuming the mother did not die in childbirth).

>No cure for pollution
Lots of cures were found, but even if we implemented everything (which costs a lot more than dumping garbage in the ocean), the third world would still not give fuck all about those cures and continue to pollute the planet. Something like over half of CO2 emissions come from eastern asia, and nobody is going to tell China to fix that shit.

>No cure for hunger
>No cure for obesity
Curing that would cost trillions of dollars in lost hamburger sales.

>Money doesnt solve anything.
Not when the fixes would result in companies making less money.

>>105993102
My first thought on seeing this was "Is that Moot on the right?".

>>105993435
lol, wtf happened here, too low precision floating points?

>>105997968
The very biggest companies like tesla and people working on the top 50 supercomputers can afford custom interconnects and software stacks and are not really beholden to nvidia, but everyone else does because it is just way, way easier and less expensive.

>>105998111
crypto is dead on gpus because of asics. same shit here. just make your own instead of being so dependent on cuda.

>>105998287
but nvidia is making these gpus specifically for AI training and inference

ed zitron bros our time is now

>>105998263
>>105998287
yeah tesla created their chip team like 7 years ago or something and only now at the end of this year are they maybe approaching NVIDIA in the specific tasks they are doing with the DOJO 2 chip
I think Musk has said somewhere DOJO 3 might be competitive with NVIDIA for their own workloads

https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/2910/teslas-dojo-2-supercomputer-chip-enters-mass-production

this is not something you just throw a few bil at and automatically make a competitor, its not a commodity yet and who knows how long moores law or equivalent will hold
as long as these keep improving, you don't only have to replicate what NVIDIA has done, you have to move faster than them to catch up to their state of the art

>>105998411
He has always said dojo was more of a hedge, a long term bet so that they could pivot away from NVIDIA if absolutely necessary (price too high, cut off supply b/c politics or whatever else). Dojo 2 does sound like it will be somewhat competitive for Tesla's specific training tasks.

>>105994223
>>105990532
>Visa and Mastercard use AI to detect coomer spending
>Cut off payment services for coomer AI

>>105998434
there are these things called stablecoins now that provide an alternative payment rail

>>105990883
which banks are going to lend money to AI firms?
the dude bro silicon valley banks who had retarded administration, incompetent analysts who might've okayed shit like this collapsed unto their own stupidity, traditional banks would never give them any money and rich retards can only throw money into this for so much time until they get tired

>>105990964
your second scenario is right on the technical aspect but you forget that when bubbles pup they fuck the economy down with them, all levels of the real economy, they're like the creepers from minecraft, just randomly showing up behind you and fucking your shit up

>>105991163
>If you instead relied on crediting reserves directly to the general public's bank accounts rather than trying to stimulate lending, you would disperse purchasing power more evenly and would eliminate the money multiplier effect of compound interest.
you would just create inflation, meanwhile the attempt to force banks to lend by internal federal reserve money doesn't force banks to lend because they didn't care about limits before either way and also because they're risk adverse in general but the benefit of this is that you're not creating any inflation, this does nothing to the real economy

and this is what they've done during the 2020 operations, they've forced individual banks to actually debit the bank accounts of people, even if they didn't want to and this has caused massive inflation in all the countries where the central banks did this 18 months later
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>>105992496
In countries where the central bank and banks are in sync and the government also helped with policies this wasn't a problem, look at China and Switzerland, they've ignored the retardation and its outcomes and came trough it the same as before.

Funny solution to all these problems: make it a law that the central bank employees, all of them have their salary tied to the inflation rate, if it goes above 0% you get diminished returns.

>>105990479
my buddy payed $20 recently. chatbot processed a couple of his prompts, and then told him to go fuck himself, because it was too busy. dude was fuming.

>>105996563
we're like 1.5x years unto the scaling up inference stage, putting more and more power into it, the gains have been pathetic if anything but superficial

>>105992309
it consistently sits under google, anthropic and openai models to be fair, exactly on those

>>105993298
>The average proletariat dosent have the money to pay for the most advanced versions of AI.
they're free if you bother to google on how to use them for free, it's a 10m job to set-up, but even the best of the best are dog shit, the other anon is overhyping literal garbage

>>105998885
what? reasoning models are a massive step up

>>105998965
not in benchmarks and actual people writing in-depth papers on it, the least of the leaps in gains were finished at training, the gains from inference are minimal but the costs in energy are ballooning and it still suffers from the same limitations, it's garbage in garbage out on a loop now at 10x the cost of energy

>>105998978
in benchmarks as well

Sirs please buy the AI very smart

>>105990817
stop asking questions, goyim.

>>105990523
reminder that a current-generation nuclear power plant is estimated to cost 1-3 billion.
one (01) wind turbine costs 2-4 million.
they literally just don't want to fix anything.

>>105990404 (OP)
It's an arms race for AGI

>>105998841
>you would just create inflation
When debts are paid off, money is destroyed.

>>105998841
>>105991163
>techbros, yet again, come up with solutions that already exist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_bond

>>105999183
AGI will never happen. You seriously think that an LLM that can't work out what 2+2 is will magically start being intelligent? All it's doing is giving the appearance of intelligence by regurgitating things it's read. People are so fucking easy to fool holy shit.

>>105999827
No, bonds are an interest bearing instrument. The government doesn't need to sell bonds to spend money. It doesn't need to raise money or borrow money from the public or banks. The government spends its own money unit into existence. It creates its own money every time it spends.

>>106000027
It's a clever tool but people confuse it with intelligence, which is only meaningful inside consciousness.