Protonbros...
https://tuta.com/blog/switzerland-surveillance-plan

>>106000333 (OP)
>German company warning about surveillance laws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5_NM93VBNg

>>106000333 (OP)
Well, if tuta wasn't such a shit service that constantly bans people, then I would have used that instead.

>>106000333 (OP)
>ID or driver’s license, maybe a phone number, are required for the registration process of various services

What with these people and requiring a phone number for everything?

I highly doubt this will pass and if it does what is stopping proton from moving their operation to germany like tuta?

>>106000341
>Having to provide ID for potentially any online account is totally the same as... some german law probably

>>106001474
tuta is literally honeypot tho. Some poor canadian whistleblower is getting fucked in the ass for leaking this.
And the BND is insane anyways. Even if it were a normal company they would still get whatever they want.

>>106001474
My nigger in Christ, we are talking about the country that implemented mandatory data retention on ALL communication that's currently trying to reimplement said policy in Germany and EU wide. What fucking drugs are you smoking and what reality are you living in?

>>106001766
>tuta is literally honeypot tho. Some poor canadian whistleblower is getting fucked in the ass for leaking this.
You mean the guy who claimed his government installed tuta as a honeypot and then immediately walked it back?

>>106001805
>My nigger in Christ, we are talking about the country that implemented mandatory data retention on ALL communication
Source?

was about to give a proper response but the retrard is just baiting

source is up your whore mothers pussy

>>106001890
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_retention#Germany
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorratsdatenspeicherung
Anyone and I do mean anyone that recommends anything marketing itself as muh privacy while the company is in Germany either glows brighter than the sun or is a useful idiot. Don't fall for this shit, the Stasi was also a German invention.

i use tuta. it just works
protoncucks are mad they cant even sign into anything with their glowmail

>>106001949
>Oh no your ISP needs to save encrypted data for 6 months
So exactly the same all first world countries are doing?

>>106002122
>o-oh it's j-just a-all data
>>106001914

I would use tuta if it had imap support.

>>106001766
>tuta is literally honeypot tho
zero proof.

>>106002122
they don't do this in Switzerland (first world+)

>>106002149
>>o-oh it's j-just a-all data
No, it's just all encrypted data just like in any functioning state (including switzerland). Switzerland is now arguing that every account needs to be deanonymized by designed.

>>106000333 (OP)
Grim. What's the next best privacy country? Iceland?

>>106000333 (OP)
Sirs, I unironically use Zoho Mail and I like it. I prefer my data being in India than being controlled by my own country. Feels safer that way.

>>106002189
https://www.heise.de/news/Schweizer-Geheimdienst-raeumt-verdachtsunabhaengige-Massenueberwachung-ein-9592420.html
Und jetzt bitte fresse halten

>>106002315
Smart, no one is going to attack an Indian provider looking for riches or useful accounts/info.

>>106002370
Hmm, good point. Now I don't know what to do.

>>106001949
But the hated one constantly shills for tuta and proton

>>106002346
Brudi was das.
Alle Jurnos echte Arbeit machen zu erzwingen muss einfach passieren.

>>106002497
He also said that phones are more secure than PCs

>>106002523
Blockier js habibi

>Germans advocating for surveillance
Where have I read that story before.. Also stop speaking nazi you Schnitzeljews.

>>106002524
... and he also said Graphene is the best thing ever...

>>106002534
Ja klappt auch ez aber ne, was ist das generell? Zahlen um cookies abzulehnen? Wtf ist diese Gier. Und dann Beschweren das keiner Bock auf diese leleks hat jaja.

>>106002542
NEEIN ICH KEINE SCHNITZELJUDE BIN HAUS STUL

>>106002567
Gibt noch schlimmere. Zahlen damit du keine Werbung siehst aber deine Daten verkaufen sie trotzdem an jeden der nicht bei drei aufm Baum is.

>>106002567
Hasse es auch aber die haben zumindest einfachen zugriff auf rss für headlines

Es ist Mittwoch

Bald Donnerstag aber.

>>106002089
Sir, post proof it is not a honeypot sir.

>Revision of Swiss surveillance law VÜPF would directly target VPN & encrypted chat and email providers based in Switzerland.
So what does that mean for me exiting through Switzerland for torrenting. Should I switch to a another country or is it still good enough? I only care about not getting expensive cease and desist letters from some copyright troll farm.

>>106002802
As long as you're not creating an account this addition won't affect you. However, I don't know if they overruled their stance on not being allowed to spy on P2P connections.

>>106002848
>However, I don't know if they overruled their stance on not being allowed to spy on P2P connections.
That comment made me check, and turns out troll farms can now legally spy on P2P traffic. They changed that in 2020 already. Better move to greener pastures.

>>106000377
Or Iceland, which I hear has the best in Europe.

>>106002994
>That comment made me check, and turns out troll farms can now legally spy on P2P traffic. They changed that in 2020 already. Better move to greener pastures.
They had one advantage and the blew it. Failing states seem like the only option now.

>>106002994
source?

>>106003108
>In 2019, another revision to Swiss copyright law was approved by the Federal Assembly, which came into force on 1 April 2020. ...
>They also introduce a notice and stay down procedure for services which host copyright infringing works, establish that IP addresses can now be collected and submitted to authorities as part of copyright infringement investigations, ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_Switzerland

>>106003106
They are not really enforcing it though. So for now it's still a good option in Europe besides Spain, the Netherlands and Romania.

SO
WHAT
EMAIL
PROVIDER
AM
I
SUPPOSED
TO
FUCKING
USE

>>106005110
There's none. It's fucking over. And if you try to host your own you'll fight a never-ending battle of not inboxing and not receiving emails.

How does this affect us Americans?

All those "based" services are literally, directly run by glowies. Because why wouldn't they.

Is it easier for glowies to invest in a 2 billion dollar supercomputer to crack RSA keys, or to just setup a bunch of random VPN and email providers in Europe with retarded names?

>>106005110
the one with the best support, aka gmail or outlook

yes im srs

>globohomos marching in lockstep once again

jeez, who would have thought?

>>106005346
>outlook
I had an old outlook account I haven't used in over 10 years. I think my shit got taken over or something. Won't even let me login. Like the site breaks when I try to login. Back when I did used it though, there would be so much fucking spam. Outlook's spam filters were god awful. Then I found proton, shit was like night and day. I never seen spam from them.

>>106002180
It's located in Germany that is part of 14 eyes, so Tuta is a honeypot by default, just avoid any service located in a western country. For email it's just better to get a VPS and self-host, with all-in-one software like Stalwart, email self-hosting is simple today.
If Switzerland gets cucked I don't know what VPN service would I use though.

>>106007295
>If Switzerland gets cucked
Already happened

>>106005254
Yep, just look at Crypto AG.
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/306088-the-cia-secretly-ran-one-of-the-worlds-largest-encryption-firms-for-decades

>>106007317
>extremetech.com/extreme

>>106007321
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/

Fine, have WaPo.

>>106007340
I was just making fun of the name. However, the owner of the media company behind it 'returned to Germany after 1953'

>>106007313
OP is a faggot that posted a marketing article from tutafuta, I'll wait for a proper detailed article from an independent side like PrivacyGuides.

>>106007368
How about reading the thread then? >>106003406
>>106002346

>>106007384
>first is a copyright law from 2020, no info about it affecting people outside Switzerland or Switzerland authorities cooperating with USA/EU
>second is in the most retarded language on earth so who cares
So it's a nothingburger and this is a tuta marketing thread. Good to know ProtonVPN is still safe to use.

>>106007295
>get a VPS and self-host
Because those are certainly not compromised.
>If Switzerland gets cucked I don't know what VPN service would I use though.
Panamanian or any other South American country with lax data retention laws.

>>106007412
>>first is a copyright law from 2020, no info about it affecting people outside Switzerland or Switzerland authorities cooperating with USA/EU
It's about P2P not being legally secured anymore in switzerland
>>second is in the most retarded language on earth so who cares
Oh sorry let me use a translator real quick for you:
>Switzerland admits to mass surveillance without any suspicion of crime
Now off you go, eat your raclette

>>106002595
>>106002616
>>106002636
Low IQ

>>106002346
>>106002523
>>106002534
actual idiots

>>106001949
>>106002567
>>106002593
dumb bots

>>106007528
>>106007532
>>106007540
Three completely natural posts, appearing 61 and 60 seconds apart from each other, baiting this hard to derail a thread that already has solved all of the questions asked in it

>>106007568
>>>/int/deu
>>>/pol/kraut
back to your cancer containment boards ESLs, you are not technolo/g/y not do you speak english

>>106002636
heute Donnerstag, endlich figgen