How did Resident Evil 4 have perfect reflections before Ray Tracing?

>>106001185 (OP)
Because it's screen space reflections, not ray tracing
>>>/sqt/

Back in the day devs baked that shit into the game rather than some fuckin interpolated voodoo.

>>106001185 (OP)
They render the scene twice and mirror it.

What is this effect called?

That's terrible

>>106001336
>What is this effect called?
It's just a version of this:

It didn't.
>b-but
It didn't. Those are not reflections. They just placed clones of the same models below the floor, which was made transparent.

>>106001547
>uhhhh this is not h2o ackthually it also contains minerals and
Aaaaaaaaaaand????????

>>106001507
Props to my boy Crowbcat

>>106001507
lmfao they just removed the mirror

>>106001656
>hurr durr

>>106002246
Lemme tell you again in more concise terms
What is the problem of these not being exact proper scientifical approved reflections, if to the naked eye they look good enough, and why some modern games don't do the same thing for cheap performance reflections?

>>106001547
>>106002339
Average /lit/ tier pseudo philosophic argument

>>106002339
nvidia needs to sell gpus with RT cores
thats why

>>106001336
Astigmatism.

>>106001369
are there really people who didn't intuitively understand this the first time they saw it?

>>106001797
For me, this fight, and the whole island segment, are the "that part" of this game.

>>106001547
um, actually there is no floor, it's all just pixels on a screen that your brain tricks you into thinking is real.
actually you have no proof that anything exists at all, so really this whole conversation is pointless.

>>106002499
Humepilled

>>106001327
this, just a cubemap texture for the environment, with only double rendering the characters

>>106002339
They're literally not reflections. They are cloned objects.
>cheap performance
Because it's not cheap. Especially not with the increased polycounts of objects and texture resolutions.
Your next retarded point will be "but why didn't they just never ever ever ever increase fidelity in any way since 2004?!?!?!".

>>106001307
Not screen space reflections either, like in PS2's Silent Hill 2, it's a copy of some of the environment, props and characters flipped upside down and put under a partially transparent floor. Unironically the best way to do reflections.

>>106003606
this, we should just go back to use fake but ingenious ways of doing things in videogames. Not everything has to be a perfect simulation.

>>106003730
I need real life simulation or else I will DIE.

>>106003730
100% not only that but games are far less interactive these days. MGS2 had all kids of interactive shit, same with even dos games like Duke3d. Didn't need accurate light simulator or zomg fake frames, they were more fun when they were a toy.

>>106001185 (OP)
How much wold it cost to build just this room where they are, in real life?

>>106001185 (OP)
Because devs were pushed to be creative and ingenious, not lazy, perhaps because they couldn't be lazy, developers need constraints again. People push out their best under them.

>>106003730
How is an actual copy of everything rendered again somehow "less perfect" than some complex math calculations? Isn't that just how a mirror works? A copy of everything on the other side?

>>106001185 (OP)
I built a mirrored version of my bathroom and put it across from my bathroom and put a mirror between the rooms and hired an actor to look like me and mirror my movements because i dont understand how mirrors work and this is like the same anyways.

>>106006837
Games used to use textures with shadows painted onto them. And reflections made by mirroring just what was on screen or duplicating the environment. So they could get perfect looking environments but they were and not real and an imitation of what they technically could not achive.
Now were trying to do it all for real becausetech has gotten more advanced, but it takes time to make it look as good as a perfect imitation of the real thing when simulation perfect shadows and reflections is very technically expensive.

>>106006861
>butthurt because noone likes screen space reflections

>>106003103
>They're literally not reflections. They are cloned objects
And? It looks like reflections, doesn't need to be perfect goddamit, better than that game who hide the mirror
It's definitely cheaper than raytracing

>>106006916
I still don't get how a cloned image of an object is not a reflection. Isn't that what a real mirror does?

>>106006702
Mirrors cause some distortion effects, but for a game it's most imperceptible
Its OCD people wanting to use 200% more gpu to achieve a 10% improvement

>>106001507
Grim

>>106006923
The mirror image may have a different FOV or scaling at a distance compared to real life, it's stuff that nobody notices or cares
I'm not really good at optics, but I recommend you search about mirror physics if you are curious about this

>>106006927
>>106006938
I remember some high school mirror optics. Other than the refraction at the thicness of the glass, which is barely any, I don't remember anything about FOV or scaling.

Doesn't picrel pretty much sum up a mirror and the cloned object implementation?

>>106006958
Curved mirrors cause distance distortion, different camera fovs as well
Only real life example i can think of is car parking mirrors, or using a fish eye lens
It's slightly differently from a doubled scene due to parallax and the lack of these distortions

>>106007011
Curved mirrors, okay. The only examples ITT were flat, and honestly, I never missed the curved reflections on games back then, and was astonished by these flat reflections. Thanks for showing me the use case for physcs based reflections. There is merit in your pursuit. Carry on with your thread.

>>106007026
Thanks, but this thread is not mine desu

>>106001369
That trick with the fuzz is actually very cool

>>106007080
Also, polygonal hair with transparency is still very viable especially with today's massive poly counts and dynamics but no, everything needs to be some grainy cuckold UE5 hair simulation and pbr shader instead.

ive been replaying boreerlands 2 and the explosions and particles look miles better than the shit you see in modern games

>>106001185 (OP)
Planar reflections aka rendering the scene twice. I think it only works on perfectly flat surfaces or something though.

>>106001336
Frame blending.

>>106001307
screen space reflection was invented around PS4 era.

>>106001336
PS2 was a mistake

>>106001185 (OP)
>dumbass zoomer used the HD remaster version with the HD Project mod for his bait thread
Unironically rope yourself

>>106001369
That's shell texturing.
>>106001336
It's a screen-space motion blur, could be frame-blending if it's just the current and previous frames or accumulation-based if it's blending more than one past frame (a lot of PS2 games blended like 4 frames).
It destroyed fillrate so you saw it a lot on PS2 games and also like fullscreen overlapping alpha textures because the PS2 GPU had crazy fillrate.
Dreamcast was on the other end where it got assfucked by these effects.

Nooooooo. You can't just have reflections without spending $3000 + tip to leather jacket man to get reflections!

>>106008092
Wrong thread?

This is the NTSC-J GameCube original

Many graphical effects unique to the GC architecture couldn’t be ported to other consoles. And Capcom didn’t really try to reproduce them by other means. The RE4 HD Project mod on Steam does attempt to reproduce the missing GC effects and does a fantastic job. Clear upgrade from the base version however it’s not completely 1:1 to the GC version.

Water Room

>>106008278
Unreal was such a good game in just about every way

>>106008328
Really great music.

>>106008328
Wasn't unreal gold kinda garbage?
Granted nobody gave a shit about it until UT1 released 2 years later.

>>106008348
I think it created compatibility issues with servers from using the updated engine, but other than that it was basically the same, and included the expansion pack

>>106001336
your eyes probably had different focus points when you took the screenshot

>>106006886
>Games used to use textures with shadows painted onto them
baked shadows are still very much a thing, unless you're making another day-night cycle meme game

>>106002339
Portal based reflections produce the exact same results as raytraced reflections for flat surfaces.

>>106001185 (OP)
The same way they did this. Its just common sense.

>>106003606
>Not screen space reflections either
It 1,000% is for the suit of armor, PS2 did low-res SSR. The floor is likely a duplication.

>>106010368
That looks like a cubemap? Looks nothing like SSR.