>be me, halfyearish into linux
>get by with nano, but hate no syntax highlighting
>tried vim first day on linux & hated it
>mfw fucking fooled by nano, y whould anoyone not use fucking VIM????

>>106003053 (OP)
neovim is even better

>>106003118
redpill me, y would i?

>>106003118
I've been thinking about this since Bram Stoker died, but I have not yet been convinced to make the switch. Vim still hasn't crumbled after his death. What makes it better?

>>106003053 (OP)
Because there's no until/redo key combo

because vim is fucking autistic and retarded, as a vim user
>clipboard paste?
>of course its "*p
>assuming you're on X11 or use nvim and have it set up
>select whole file?
>ggVG
>moving lines?
>:m+2 or delete and paste!
>Its so easy!!
>what do you mean you don't like pastes being in newlines randomly rather than wherever your cursor is?
>so easy and convenient!!
>arrow keys? You mean hjkl?
>w-what do you mean J has the bump
>line numbers off by default
>no way to show whitespace quickly
>wraps by default
>no default to show overflow in nowrap
just to name a few
>paste in INSERT is CTRL-R for some reason
>but it's redo in NORMAL
>indenting works different in NORMAL vs VISUAL modes
i never remember how to open or manage panes, windows etc. either because that shit is why tmux was made

>>106003176
Literally no reason. Either go full emacs or stick with vim. Neovim is some troon abomination that pleases nobody

>>106003197
>filtered by opening two files for edit on vim

Deprecated by Helix

>>106003361
I've been thinking about this since Bram Stoker died, but I have not yet been convinced to make the switch. Vim still hasn't crumbled after his death. What makes it better?

>>106003194
in vim? it's literall esc-u. and you can yank and put all day

>>106003401
>you can yank and put all day
Such stamina.

>>106003053 (OP)
Notepad++ or you're a poser.

>>106003411
only with your mom desu

>>106003197
>terminal modal editors don't just use ctrl-c to copy
wow what a shocker

>>106003412
>poser calling others posers
kek

>>106003442
Mine supports Ctrl+shift+c and +v, can't believe you niggers don't have that out of the box, lmao

How is mouse support in Vim? Does it work well?

>>106005066
For me, it's the humble right click

>>106005137
Yes, it even has right click context menus, but once you learn vim your hands aren't going to be touching your mouse

I know how to use vim properly, but I still use a mouse

>>106003053 (OP)
I still use nano, why use vim?

Well, I guess I'm doing vimtutor tonight.

Then I can go into work and say things like:

"Oh, you're nanoing in? Huh."

Or I can edit a script in VIM and people will be all "wow, what a chad" or "I fucking hate this guy."

>>106005400
vi is POSIX standard
It SHOULD be available on every system that at least attempts to be Unix-like instead of having nano and no fucking ed.

Yes vi is not vim, but you should use vim as daily driver because it's better than vi, and you'll still know how to use plain vi for when you need to edit some config on a virutalized embedded system or some shit.

What SHOULD NOT happen is to go to a system and have no vi or even ed to edit a file, but for whatever reason taht it couln't have a standard editor, it still managed to have a fucking nano.

>>106003197
it's $ and whatever start of line hotkey is and the other hotkeys that are integral to normal text editor use I can never remember that piss me off. Still use it though cause it's just better.

>>106005445
I use vi to edit after cat sometimes
I like nano
lot of the time I just use bash or a vibash shell

>>106003053 (OP)
I hated nano because the shortcuts are shit. Half assed attempt at recreating the CUE standard so they're always a last step off where you muscular memory is (i.e. C^X and C^O) and it took them lile 20 years to actually implement the right ones. Vim's motions are very hard to mix up with something else as cancerous as they are. Half-a-way to something generic/standarized but not quite is way worse than something that's just awkard but distinctive. I only see using nano worth if you only edit files in a terminal like 3 times a year or so.

>>106005575
This. I also hated this.

>>106005445
You can have environments where you don't have neither, but for those cases that's the point (i.e. you're supposed to only copy the modified files through a secured connection or just spit them as part of an automated process)

>>106005736
I wouldn't mind an environment with neither. Sure, whatever reason they had to not include a text editor, I can handle that. What really rustles my jimmies is when whatever excuse they think they have (I don't bother looking for it) only applies to not having vi, so they include nano by default, but no fucking vi. Not even ed, man! Fuck those faggots.

>>106003176
It's faster, smaller, has built-in Lua. The default colors are *way* better.

It's pretty much the same though. The VSCode vs VSCodium (or whatever) debate is more interesting than the vim vs neovim debate.

>>106005445
>It SHOULD be available on every system that at least attempts to be Unix-like
busybox vi almost always works. Almost everyone has busybox in the default packages because it's just so useful.

Also isn't ed in posix?

>>106005816
Yes, it is! So you understand my shock when ed: command nort found but nano fucking worked! I did install busybox's vi in the system and swore never to install it again. I fucking forgot what distro it was now, maybe nix? I don't remember. But the first thing I do now is try ed and purge it if it's not there.

>>106005874
>ed: command nort found
Is your shell Australian?

>>106005897
No, I'm just typing it out from memory and drunken rage.

>>106005791
The one that started this meme was Ubuntu. Every other distro that's not a random garage project ships with either Vi only or both (except maybe Alpine? neither used to be available in busybox but it has been YEARS since i touched Alpine directly. Slackware i'm 90% sure it came with Vi but is probably they also shipped neither) Fedora was going down the same path as Ubuntu but backtracked it after the backlash and now ships both (just Vi if you go the net install route). Comparatively, nano is bloated for what it does.

>>106005953
Thanks, bro. Fuck obongo.

And fuck jannnies too, since I'm at it.

I memorized most of the key binds for nano and getting used to anything else seems very hard

>>106005802
From my PoV it doesn't make much sense to use VSCodium. No point of dealing with the bloat if you aren't going to use the first party extensions that make it worth (though i admit i'm unaware if there's any truly OSS killer extension on that ecosystem) Besides VSCode is mostly used for corpo node and Python shit anyways.

>>106005999
Right. The point is there's more of a difference there than between vim and neovim.

Like printing doesn't work in neovim (yeah vim has it's own printing subsystem) and swapfiles work slightly differently etc.