Can we have a serious conversation about Framework /g/? What are they doing wrong? Framework was supposed to be the new Thinkpad of tech wizards, the new school laptop for the education masses. What would make you consider making Framework Laptops your next machine?

>>106014743 (OP)
No, we can not, because you started the thread with a e-celeb tech tips thumbnail. Kill yourself, retard.

>>106014763
It's not an e-celeb thread. It's a framework thread.

even the kit laptops are $2k+ for something usable. why would i fuck around with their nonsense when i can just get something from a known name?
my only regret is that, from a known brand, all the ones that are good for cad (i.e., w/aftermarket graphics) are usually rgb gaymer abortions.
ryzen 7, 32gb ram, whatever amd graphics they have, pow, over $2k before i even add a keyboard and usb ports. i can go pull some bullshit off amazon for less than that and get it by tomorrow.
here's amazon. ryzen 7, whatever graphics, 32gb ram, 1tb drive. a grand. asus, even, for what that's worth.

>>106014881
Then don't attach e-celebs, bozo.

>>106014894
You're the only one that is talking about e-celebs. This is a framework thread. You have issues.

I bought one of the new 13" AMD models... and then returned it after two weeks. Key things that led to it being returned:

- The aluminum case doesn't appear to have good anodizing on it and was starting to wear very fast.
- The larger connector size cards tend to grip the cable connectors too tightly and get yanked out of the case when you try to remove cables.
- Weird glitches in a clean install of windows including resuming from sleep.
- When you close the lid it blocks the exhaust fan.... Hard to use in a docked configuration.
- Odd USB-A power draw issues on the AMD platform
- 13" is just too small for me
- I selected the lowest tier AMD processor (for battery life reasons), and even still the battery life was only about 8-9 hours.
- The audio port has an atrocious DAC

On the plus side:
+ The 3K screen is seriously impressive for a small laptop
+ It was amazingly easy to assemble and disassemble for return.
+ The webcam was pretty good
+ The core concept of swappable ports is glorious
+ The chassis felt very solid with little flex

i cut off my cock! please hire me!

it's less a Framework problem and more an x86 problem. The laptops run hot as fuck and the fan is constantly going full bore. The lightest tasks turn the laptop into an inferno even the Ryzen FW13. The graphics capability of my ryzen 7 model are marginally better than a Steam Deck.
I don't know OP I think x86 and Windows need to die.

>>106015149
>Weird glitches in a clean install of windows including resuming from sleep.
I have the same bug on my desktop but surprisingly it is absent on my brand new Thinkpad.

>>106014743 (OP)
Dell shills working on overdrive I see

>>106015182
good thing you can get a RISC-V mainboard for the 13, and be a part of what kills Windows and x86 and proprietary hardware

i can't buy it in my country
the idea is neat
but the execution is kinda meh
i especially don't like the custom ports
it's especially dongles just with a better profile

>>106014743 (OP)
From what I've seen, framework has pajeet tier quality control. So no I won't be buying one

>>106015182
My laptop runs hot too, but I use a fan laptop ramp thingy with it when I'm doing anything other than browsing the web or coding.

>no thunderbolt 5
>no ryzen ai
>no rtx 5090

>>106015532
>just with a better profile
They use protruding ethernet ports and sd card reader

>>106015456
As someone who actually has one of these boards in my launch Framework, I can tell you the biggest problem with the company is inability to iterate on ARM or RISC-V hardware. The RV board is from a company called DeepComputing so they didn't even technically make the board themselves.

Even with the terrible optimizations in linux for RISC-V I'm getting 7 hours on an old battery, main difference is that the computer is actually fucking quiet and cool.

I refuse to buy another x86 laptop as long as I live. I'm a lot closer to not ever buying a desktop with an x86 chip in it either. We need to just move the fuck on, collectively.

>>106015570
>>no ryzen AI
https://frame.work/products/laptop13-amd-ai300/configuration/new
are you retarded?

It'll fo shizzle be my next machine but my Dell Precision is good enough for now. Mostly just waiting on OpenSIL so coreboot can be ported.

>>106015688
ROCm isn't supported on these APUs, pretty sad

>>106015649
>the biggest problem with the company is inability to iterate on ARM or RISC-V hardware
As a fellow launch FW13 owner I agree, but I'd generalize it to an inability to iterate on certain key concepts in general. New mainboards and entire product lines are always nice, but the lack of new options for things like expansion cards and of course non-x86 boards felt strange to me. I can't help but wonder if this inability is actually an unwillingness, and if their goal was to only handle the physical and necessarily proprietary aspects of the laptop's design (x86 mainboards) and publish the specs for the community, or some sort of cottage industry, to do the rest. I guess that didn't really materialize, since we haven't seen much of that beyond the RISC-V mainboard. It almost makes me want to get to work on ecosystem-compatible parts of my own. Almost.

>>106015723
>AI supported
>copilot only
lol

>>106015688
Can't use an rtx 5090 on a framework 13 you fucking imbecile.

>>106015649
I don't know why they're burning money on risc/arm crap. They should just wait until the technology is perfected and the software realm is populated and let other big corpos burn money beta testing it into becoming a thing. Who ever told Framework that they should spend money on risc and arm instead of focusing on their money makers (x86) needs to be demoted and put in a sales position until he/she makes back all the money they wasted on their stupid arm computer.

>>106015149
The hp elite book 840 laptops solved the exhaust problem. When you open it, the exhaust blows into the screen. When closed, it just blows outside the back.

>>106015883
>Can't use an rtx 5090 on a framework 13
You wish you were right. But you're not, and what's worse is that you're still retarded.
>t. FW13 EGPU user, although picrel is not my setup and I'm personally only using a 2080

>>106016044
Are you retarded? I'm not going to lug around a pc case just to use a graphics card just to use it with a 13" laptop.

the whole concept is fucking stupid. there is nothing worth replacing that you can't do on a better laptop if you have even the most rudimentary repair skills. i don't understand what you can replace on the framework that i can't do on a modern thinkpad. the ports? that's about it. by the time you'd actually want to replace the mainboard/cpu/gpu it would be smarter to just replace the whole thing and get a new warranty and everything new.

>>106016767
Well then no 5090 for you, because I couldn't find a single 13-inch laptop with a 5090 inside it. Acting like "lel no 5090" or "egpu too big" is some kind of own against a slim 13-inch laptop is ridiculous

>>106014743 (OP)
They're extremely slow and they are relying on the community to make physical add-ons that make it worthwhile. Also their branding is weird since they clearly want to get the wannabe tech wizards but instead are designing their products for goyslop consoomers. If they had a more chunky laptop (just for better cooling and so the customers could feel their superiority for using a less comfortable product) and included a trackpoint they wouldn't be in this situation right now.
Also who tf wants to buy a desktop computer from them? Their whole point is fixing the laptop space, not making the desktop space worse.

>>106014743 (OP)
this is what happens when you give money to an indian. subpar product that doesn't meet expectations.

>>106016044
>>106016911
I don't understand egpus. for a few hundred more dollars you just could just have a whole ass seperate computer with none of the egpu compatibility issues.

>>106015649
>ARM or RISC-V
both will never go anywhere
ARM is locked down shit, RISC-V is way too slow to go anywhere and has the same lack of UEFI or similar standardization that ARM has

>>106014894
He's holding a framework you dipshit. Go touch grass

I love linus

>>106014743 (OP)
You can buy two comparable laptops for the price of a single framework. Apple-tier pricing only works for Apple.

>>106014743 (OP)
The money comes from large corporate customers, and they don't give a fuck about repairability because when something's broken they just ship it off to the OEM and replace it with a spare, then backfill the spare with the RMA.
Individual customer orders are a drop in the bucket.

>Can we have a serious conversation about Framework /g/?
Yes.
>What are they doing wrong?
They bring nothing to the table. They can't compete in price, they can't compete in ease of use, they can't compete in anything. Their only distinguishing feature is more integrated USB-C adapters. That's a useless gimmick at best.
Of which:
>USB-C socket
Similarly priced MacBooks offer the superior Thunderbolt 4.
>Mini jack socket
Already offered on simarly priced MacBooks.
>HDMI socket
Already offered on simarly priced MacBooks.
>SD card reader
Already offered on simarly priced MacBooks.
>USB-A socket
Obsolete.
>DisplayPort socket
Redundant on a laptop with DisplayPort Alternate mode. Space that should be used for more universal connector types.
>RJ45 socket
Pic related.

>Framework was supposed to be the new Thinkpad of tech wizards, the new school laptop for the education masses.
Marketing exclusively to a niche isn't a sustainable business model.
>What would make you consider making Framework Laptops your next machine?
Nothing. They can't compete now that big manufacturers are being forced into repairability.
The time they needed to mature their product is exactly the same time the market needed to effectively solve the same problem it tries to solve.