>put all your eggs in one basket

Why yes I would like to attach my entire digital profile and persona to my VPN

>>106019354 (OP)
>bans your account from not providing a phone number
heh, sorry not sorry that you lose all your emails and files

>>106019404

>>106019354 (OP)
Make your own

And host your self

>>106019354 (OP)
I switched to proton to degoogle myself, but now I feel very awkward whenever I have to give out my email address in real life and have to say a proton.me address. Everybody expects to hear gmail so they look at me like I'm a freak when they hear anything else.

>>106021361
God damn it I hate the modern world we're completely owned by jewgle. Why are normies such cattle.

>>106019354 (OP)
>food analogy

>>106021361
It also makes you look bad on job applications. In an interview a couple years ago, the lady brought it up and said "why not just use gmail? this looks sketchy, it left a bad impression"

>>106021478
Women are cattle

>>106021484
Maybe so, but they're often placed in positions of power over us. Sometimes you're forced to conform to their beliefs/expectations.

>>106019354 (OP)
I use Mail, Drive, and the VPN, but use Bitwarden for the password manager for this reason.

>>106021565
just use keepassxc

>>106021583
No

>>106021595
nigger

>>106021711
Seethe

I kind of want to put all my eggs in one basket but Proton isn't it.

Does anyone know a good email service with imap support?

>>106019354 (OP)
i wish i could put all my eggs in the proton basket
i mean the proton suite is nice but still severely lacking in several areas compared to google
and now for some reason they're working on their own AI as if anybody asked for that lmao

Is there a reason the free version of ProtonVPN doesn't work here? why tf do I need to reveal my identity to all of you pedos?

>>106021361
Look back at them?

>>106021467
He's a mentally ill American what do you expect lmao

>>106022007
>imap
This is probably question for /stupid questions/ thread, but doesn't all email have imap support? Isn't that how email works in the first place?

>>106019354 (OP)
A shitty less secure basket that price gouges you and still gives up all your data to anyone who asks!

>>106022894
Some lock it behind a paywall, some use something different and some force you to install their app.

>>106021137
Based, use OpenBSD to host your mail server.

>>106019354 (OP)
Basically.
I got it because I wanted somewhere to point my personal domain for email.
I'm not using the other stuff.
Their calendar doesn't integrate well with third-party calendars. Drive is annoyingly limited as it can't handle Linux. The VPN being tied to the rest of your identity is fucking stupid. Trusting a password provider requires a level of transparency I don't think they have. Doubley-so for wallet. The biggest issue I have is that the level of anonymity I need for things like VPN flies in the face of the verifiability I need for email.

>>106021478
the joke's on her. when i was doing an online interview and they sent me a self hosted jitsi link, i started feeling the good vibes and it's been my best employer so far

>>106021361
>>106021478
Reframe it to make it sound like the premium, sophisticated choice
>It's Swiss (Swiss = expensive and fancy)
>It's super private (icky Facebook robot man can't spy on you)
>It's very secure (Exiled royalty of unspecified ethnic background can't scam you)

>>106025915
>wow anon thats very neat... NOT! hahaha i feel like i just got transported to ICK CITY

>>106021361
I ususally write my email down and then look them back like they are some sort of retard that cant type.

>>106021361
That's nothing. I use anonaddy for random aliases and unexpectedly was asked to give an email to a human. So since I already set up an email for that company, I pulled out my phone and gave the randomly generated string @ addy io. The guy was looked at me like I was being a prick blatenly making up an email but had to be profesional about it.

>>106021478
I work in tech and I was complimented in my entry job for using proton

>>106021361
I bought an iPhone, made an Icloud address and then returned the iPhone a day later. I now have a premium email address that doesn't have any data I care about being spyed on.

>>106021565
Yeah I was feeling uncomfortable using pass, might give bitwarden a go. Will keep pass installed just for the alias emails.

>>106021583
What makes it better?

>>106027070
>icloud
>premium
jeet kun...

>>106027073
Oh bitwarden doesnt have 2fa built in and keepass has no phone app.

Guess proton pass reigns supreme.

>>106022894
>Isn't that how email works in the first place?
Email is built on open protocols so you aren't limited. Anyone can create other methods for sending/receiving mail from server/client (see pop as well). imap had been standard for a long time but corpos obviously hate user freedom so they realized they could make their own protocol that thunderbird or whatever client the user wanted to access email with doesn't know then sell it as being an advanced "for your safety" feature. (I assume Microsoft Exchange was the first to do this with their EAS, my work exchange specifically turned off imap so everyone just uses gmail, completely side stepping all attempts at extra security.) In reality they are just locking you down. Encrypting emails with GPG is trivial, it works with imap (or any other), it's free (in every sense), and the user doesn't even need to understand it (you could easily have an email client handle *most* the work and can certainly dumb it down a lot). But instead we see everyone wants to use their own proprietary encryption system that has the huge benefit of only working when messaging someone from their system.

>>106027093
The only two email addresses people use are gmail and icloud and icloud is the premium option of those two.

>>106021361
They all think you're a pedophile or a terrorist btw.

>>106019354 (OP)
>LE PRIV00000000000CY SUIT

>>106021361
>>106021420
>>106021478
What are you all unemployed? Don't remember last time I saw "@gmail.com". Everybody uses their custom domain

>>106022007
i went for fastmail after a lot of consideration. Quality webapp, dav and imap connection, masks, integrated with calendar and contacts, and allows extended contact fields

>>106019354 (OP)
I just linked it to all my other emails for recovery only

VPN got audited by a third party as genuinely having no logs, good enough for me. I sure haven't been arrested yet so something is working.

I'm a bullmail guy.
https://git.lolcat.ca/lolcat/bullmail

>>106021137
>send email from residential ip
>literally every other server rejects it
glhf

>>106027158
I think I get what you are saying, so for example between proton users they have their own E2EE but if a proton user were to contact a Gmail user the contents won't be encrypted but if they both used IMAP they could use GPG to encrypt it?

>>106028277
Mostly. I don't know much about proton's encryption but I know they, tutamail, and my work exchange all explicitly state that messages are encrypted only if you are sending to someone else on the given service (and they'll usually give like a lock symbol or something to tell you which were encrypted). Which makes it pretty worthless unless you and the person you are communicating with specifically get the same email provided since I don't know anyone IRL that uses an email other than gmail.

>but if they both used IMAP they could use GPG to encrypt it?
It's simpler than that. You can always encrypt a plain text file with GPG then send it and have the receiver decrypt it (you encrypt it using the receiver's public key which requires their private key to decrypt). It is not dependent on the use of imap (that is just the method used to sync messages between your client with the mail server). So if you do everything fully manual, you can write the message body in a text file then use the sendmail cli to send that as an email. To encrypt it, you would call the gpg cli on the txt file first, then send the resulting encrypted file. This is independent of the email provider you use. Various email clients have the encryption built in (for example thunderbird). You can add your gpg keys and collect the public keys of people you email with, and it will automatically run gpg before sending a message to someone if it has their public key. And will automatically decrypt a message that has been encrypted.

In short, it has been made reasonably simple. You don't need to be very comfortable with a computer to use this. It is secure and interoperable. It's a solved problem but these email providers found a market in making a worse method to, again, lock consumers in to their environment and allow them to charge for basic features (proton charges for bridge to allow you to use imap so you can access their mail from a regular email client)

>>106028482
>Which makes it pretty worthless unless you and the person you are communicating with specifically get the same email provided since I don't know anyone IRL that uses an email other than gmail.
This is why you are better off just using an E2E encryption app since the other person can't really fuck it up. Convincing non tech people to use Signal is much easier than using GPG. Before anyone reminds me it is a honeypot I will point out it is still better than email.

>>106028746
At the point of having to tell everyone you want to talk to to install signal, what's the difference in telling them to make a proton mail account? Other than preference for a messaging app over email. I don't really like signal for the same reason I don't like all the new encrypted services: they all lock you in to their service. Internet was built on open protocols so anyone could write software to confirm to it and communicate with anyone else regardless of the exact software they were using. This also made it easy for people to write cli tools for doing the hardwork then you can wrap that in whatever high-level interface you want rather trivially. I want to be able to use my text editor to send messages, not learn yet another half-assed service specific webapp.

What I am getting at is, if not for the conflict of interest in needing some in-house special stuff for people to pay for, these email providers, whose market is being encrypted, could have just used GPG and been interoperative with other GPG users and not require weird protocols that don't work with email clients. There is nothing inherently difficult about using GPG, you just need someone to wrap it in a nice hard to mess up interface (which has been done to some extent in various email clients). They could even handle the syncing of public keys.

>>106021361
i have given out horsefucker.org emails idc

>>106027158
Okay now I got it, these email providers are making it so you have to use their own software/web app instead of your personal email client such as thunderbird/Sendmail such as paywalling a protocol such as IMAP/SMTP which also as a byproduct prevents your own encryption (PGP).

Okay, so what is the end game for people who don't want to rely on big corpos services? Start sending mail through birds? Destroy all these mail protocols and have Neuralink mail instead?

>Mail
A good service, if you have the unlimited plan you can make infinite aliases which is amazing.


>Calendar
It's alright, the Android app has no agenda view that can display events over multiple days which is retarded, but I guess it works otherwise.

>Drive
One of their least fleshed out products. This thing doesn't integrate with any other backup services which means you need to use a hacky unofficial rclone config to make this useful in any way. Proton docs is a thing (alternative to Google docs) but they have no spreadsheet or presentation programs which makes it useless as a collaborative office suite. Also the thumbnails for images take way too long to load.

>VPN
Pretty good, has a lot of features and still allows for port forwarding which is nice. It's way slower than mullvad ever was for me though. Dogshit Linux support is really disappointing.

>Pass
If you have the unlimited plan it's great for creating new aliases for each website you sign up with, but besides that it's worse than bitwarden.

>>106029858
one thing people dont mention (or encounter) about drive is that there's a 30,000 file limit per folder. it's really fucking annoying because i robocopy mirror which prevents a few folders from syncing. also no linux client which is why i have to robocopy