>*Is perfectly usable with OpenCore today in your path* (just don't force the GPU)

Ah, I had one of these back when I thought Macs were the greatest ever. Then the GPU did die. I ended up selling it in like 2017 or 18 because some retard paid like $800.

>>106026953
I got mine last month for like $100 and now it's my daily driver for everything except video editing. Shit's great with Ventura.

>>106026166 (OP)
Any PC at the same price range from that era performs better

>>106028094
A desktop, yeah. Laptops? Good luck.

>>106028222
How come? Does the lack of apple support devalue them?

>>106028578
>lack of apple support
???
Explain what you mean. Every Mac since 2008 is fully supported with the latest macOS.

>>106028609
That's not what I found.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS_Sequoia#Supported_hardware

Do you mean with OpenCore? I don't use macs so I don't understand what you're saying.

>>106028627
>Do you mean with OpenCore?
Yes. And they run fine with it. These will only become obsolete after browsers drop support for the next macOS that isn't even released yet. So in 2033 or something. Imagine using a 20 year old machine in the decade of 2030 and it still feels snappy.

Wangblows 11 can't even do that today, they just killed a bunch of Core 2 Duo PCs.

>>106028578
No because they were called Intel Mac for a reason.

>>106028672
That's impressive. Do you know if this is more stable than a hackintosh laptop?

>>106028678
I don't get it then. Why would an old apple laptop be worth less on the used market than a thinkpad, hp, or dell business laptop? people don't like how hard it is to service the hardware? don't they run linux just fine?

>>106028745
>Do you know if this is more stable than a hackintosh laptop?
Yes, obviously. The Opencorefags design their patcher with each model in mind, finetuning everything for each one so that (most) things will work as they should. With hackintosh you have to handpick everything for your own Frankenstein.

And Intel Apple stuff got devalued HARD in 2020 because the cheapest Mac Mini with Apple Silicon was already trading blows with the most expensive Intel Mac Pro. But most Intel stuff with OpenCore is perfectly usable for anything that isn't graphically expensive today.

If you want an old MacBook Pro for OpenCore instead of a Hackintosh I recommend
>15 Inch 2012 ($100-150)
>15 Inch 2015 ($200 tops)
>13 Inch 2019 (Don't know the price honestly)
The 16 inch 2019 is also good but one of the chips can fry the SSD so maybe not.

Or just get an M1 MacBook air for less than $500.

>>106028809
>graphically expensive
Intensive***

>>106026166 (OP)
>OpenCore
I have a 13". No dedicated GPU
It's pretty bad in the modern web, but can do most other things well. Don't see the point of installing anything after mavericks though. That was the last soulfull OSX.

>>106028898
>I have a 13"
What year?
>Don't see the point of installing anything after mavericks though
The fuck? I love Mavericks but you can't be serious... Get a spare SSD with OpenCore Ventura or Sonoma and see how you like it. I'd recommend Monterey too but it recently got cucked out of security updates I think.

>>106028914
2011.
I like the UI better pre-mavericks. I have catalina running on another partition, but again, I don't see the point. There's nothing on modern macs that attract me.
Also, It is SO much more performant on mavericks that it's not even funny. Even better on Mountain Lion (I might reinstall it instead.) Very snappy. The touch gestures are very smooth, to change between programs or to see the desktop, or launch mission control.
Too bad about the browser support though. Youtube is almost impossible to watch, for example.

>>106028946
>2011
Cool so it'll run Ventura pretty much flawlessly.
>There's nothing on modern macs that attract me
I think there's ways to visually modify modern macOS to look like Lion-Mavericks
>The touch gestures are very smooth, to change between programs or to see the desktop, or launch mission control
OpenCore is no different, really. Mine's not lagging at all.
>Youtube is almost impossible to watch
You could try Invidious, but that doesn't let you watch age restricted videos.

Seriously man just give Ventura a try. You can just swap the SSDs, no need to nuke your current one.

debloated windows on intel macs is so much better than itoddleros

>>106026166 (OP)
My 15" 2011 died at the end of last year, but it was indeed still usable with the latest macOS.

At work I use a 13" late 2013 which is still decent with Sequoia.

I also have a mid 2010 Mac Mini server which seems slow with modern macOS. It still has a mechanical hard drive, which I would replace with an SSD but Apple made it a pain in the ass to do that.

>>106026166 (OP)
I had a Hackintosh when core2duo was a thing. Accidentally bought the cheapest components and some ATI gpu. Found out that instead of Vista I could run OSX instead.
It was fun while it lasted. $300 worth of components vs $3000 Apple.

>>106028946
this lmaoing at retards here saying that macOS past Catalina running great on non-metal macs. they either trolling or coping. the reality is Windows 11 is faster and more usable on my 2011 macbook pro than any macOS released after Catalina.
Even my 2015 MBP shits itself running Ventura.

>>106028672
>Imagine using a 20 year old machine in the decade of 2030 and it still feels snappy
My 2017 macbook "pro" feels like it runs at 15 fps tho.

I like macOS but it's big and heavy. It crawls without an SSD, and you can see in activity monitor that reads and writes the crap out of your drive, even with 16GB of RAM.

>>106032211

>>106032211
Apparently the 17 inch lasts longer than the 15 inch because of the difference in space for cooling (the heatsink is still minimal in the 17)

>>106026166 (OP)
I'm considering getting one of the M4 Macbooks but undecided between Pro and Air, anyone here with experience on both machines?
As I understand, the performance should be roughly identical on both but the Pro gets a better screen and more convenient I/O.

My usecase is pretty much all creative stuff, I compose/record music and do some video editing on the side.

>>106035605
air has no fan. if it's a facebook machine, that's fine.

>>106026166 (OP)
the 2011 ones were the last real good MBPs. had one for my internship in college and it was so nice. last revision to have an ethernet port. had a little battery indicator button with 5 green dots.

>>106035605
Depends on your video editing demands, both should be more than fine for music.

>>106028672
>it still feels snappy.
well yeah the human eye can't perceive more than 0.25 frames per second
those things were slow the year they released my nibba

>>106035724
Incredible cope.

>>106035743
coping for..? i have an M4 max w/128GB & 2TB.

>>106035760
You have no right to have an opinion on this if you're already using Apple Silicon.

>>106035780
that doesn't make sense

>>106035812
Why would your opinion on 15 year old hardware mean shit if you're already spoiled by the most expensive laptop they sell right now?

>>106035895
you don't have to care about my opinion. macs were garbage back then, though

>>106035910
If they were so garbage how come I'm using one right now and the only thing I'm missing from modern hardware is raw graphic performance?

>>106035938
you don't use it for much, have weak sensory perception, and lack comparative experiences

>>106035980
Like I said, richniggers shouldn't have an opinion on poorfag things.

there is no equivalent to macs

macs have:
>soldered SSD/RAM/WLAN
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>when pajeetOS runs out of RAM it swapfile rapes the SSD to death within 3 years
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>when the SSD dies it bricks your entire currybook because the EFI is stored on the soldered SSD to save $0.05
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>components serial numbered and tied to the motherboard to prevent repair and replacement (including battery)
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>riveted keyboard that requires total destruction of the chassis to replace
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>flexgate cables that are so brittle they crack from opening your screen past 90 degrees more than 2 dozen times
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>screens so fucking shit they have over 90ms response times (essentially 10Hz)
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>screen made from pajeet trash glass that cracks from temperature change in seasons or tape over the iBotnet webcam
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>so fire and explosion prone the FAA have banned them from all flights
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>uses phone CPU that's so shit it gets destroyed by decade old i3s from 2017 and can only "compete" by cheating at benchmarks in extreme edge cases with hardware accelerators
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>curryniggers at apploo get so full of sniffing their own currynigger silicon shit they ship currybooks with no fans and they run so hot they melt the keyboard keys
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs

>keyboards with 63.5% failure rate
unheard of on PCs, and yet you curryniggers defend it with "jus werx fer me!"
just because you're in the 36.5% survivor group doesn't make your currynigger trash any good
this list goes on forever
there's no PC laptop as total fucking currynigger shit as crapple's streetshitter books
they are the biggest heaps of steaming currynigger shit in the history of computing second only to curryPhones

>>106026166 (OP)
no point in doing that since it's going to run like shit. You would be better off putting troonix on it.

>>106026166 (OP)
There is 0 reason to get a pre-M1 macbooks. That chip carries applefags asses.

>>106036037
>soldered SSD/RAM/WLAN
>doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
false

>when pajeetOS runs out of RAM it swapfile >rapes the SSD to death within 3 years
>doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
you have no clue how memory works

>when the SSD dies it bricks your entire >currybook because the EFI is stored on the soldered SSD to save $0.05
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
this is also just wrong considering you can desolder the NAND chips and put in news lol

>riveted keyboard that requires total destruction of the chassis to replace
>doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
and it's still the best keyboard on any laptop

>flexgate cables that are so brittle they crack >from opening your screen past 90 degrees more than 2 dozen times
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
just straight up cope

>screens so fucking shit they have over 90ms response times (essentially 10Hz)
>doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
flat out lie

>screen made from pajeet trash glass that cracks from temperature change in seasons or tape over the iBotnet webcam
>doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
false + the screens are made in China like 99% of everything retard

>so fire and explosion prone the FAA have banned them from all flights
>doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
wonder what drugs you took to hallucinate this retarded shit. I've seen more macbooks on flights than PC laptops.

>uses phone CPU that's so shit it gets destroyed by decade old i3s from 2017 and can only "compete" by cheating at benchmarks in extreme edge cases with hardware accelerators
>doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
pure cope

>curryniggers at apploo get so full of sniffing their own currynigger silicon shit they ship currybooks with no fans and they run so hot they melt the keyboard keys
>doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
more lying to cope

>keyboards with 63.5% failure rate
>unheard of on PCs, and yet you curryniggers defend it with "jus werx fer me!"
you mean the fucking butterfly keyboard that isn't even produced anymore?

you have severe brain damage and you're overdosing on copium

>>106036362
street shit harder iJeet

>be me
>stuck using company-issued 2019 Intel MacBook Pro
>every morning same ritual
>open lid
>MacBook wakes up, immediately sounds like it's prepping for liftoff
>launch Teams
>fans hit mac 5
>open Terminal
>run ./gradlew build
>MacBook starts crying
>CPU hits 125°C
>keyboard gets hot enough to cook an egg
>build takes 48 minutes
>out of memory build failed
>manager pings me
>"Can we hop on a quick call?"
>have to scream on top of my lungs to drown out the fan noise
>open Jira
>watch RAM usage climb like Everest
>macOS starts paging to disk
>disk is full
>clean up with sudo rm -rf like a champ
>accidentally delete ~/Documents
>Teams meeting starts
>camera freezes on my confused face, I look like I'm having a sad orgasm
>audio cuts out
>finally get Gradle to build without catching fire
>pull request time
>browser tabs lag so hard I overshoot the "Create PR" button 4 times
>touchpad doesn’t respond for 20 seconds
>Jira auto-link doesn’t work
>copy paste ticket number manually like a caveman
>end of day
>battery at 12%
>was plugged in the whole time
>suddenly, explosion
>war never changes

>>106036218
>no point in doing that since it's going to run like shit
Proof?

>>106038135
old macbook have old hardware
new os made for newer hardware and use more resource

>>106038628
Ok and? OpenCore still works pretty good. This thing is 14 years old and the only thing I can't do is video editing. But that was also true in 2011.