Guys, I would really appreciate your honest advices.

I have been using windows my entire like and very soon I will get a new computer. I have started going down the rabbithole of all the shiny promises made by the linux community, but in practice it seems like a steaming pile of shit, it seems more like an ideology than a real OS.

What about MacOS? Or is windows as good as it gets?

Thanks

Usecase?

It's GNU/Linux.

>>106038713 (OP)
Windows (minus the crappy UI) is the pinnacle of desktop OS
MacOS is just crap overall, even more so after switching to ARM

The absolute optimum in terms of desktpp security and usability would br KDE + Windows.

>>106038713 (OP)
>I have started going down the rabbithole of all the shiny promises made by the linux community, but in practice it seems like a steaming pile of shit,
Trust your instincts. Just install Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC, run O&O Shutup10 to easily disable telemetry and updates, and then enjoy your PC like a normal person. Linux is a hobby OS ideal for a secondary laptop that you occasionally use -- not your main computer unless you like wasting your time.

>>106038717
Mainly for my private use, which includes a lot of admin and accounting for my small business, as well as web browsing etc. Of course privacy and security are important but if the price to pay is using something that is like a disasterous user experience then I dont even really know anymore what I want. I tried qubes os because they said its good for privacy but man it is like really weird

>>106038713 (OP)
I remember someone explainig it somewhat like this:

Windows is like an old car: breaks a lot.
Mac is like an imported car: breaks just as often, but costs a lot more to repair.
Linux is a bunch of kids giving out free tanks to everyone and wondering why nobody realizes duch a good deal they're missing out.

I switched to Linux because free as in beer and I was pissed at always having to fight my Widnows system to have it do what I wanted. It was an uphill struggle against a powerful corporation that wanted me to just shut up and be a good consoomer. And most of my usecase was foss anyway, so I thought why not? It did help me get more comfortable with doing things CLI instead of looking for GUIs, which made me more likely to want to automate stuff in scripts, which made me better able to program, like setup a Makefile and read the compiler outputting errors instead of clicking "Run" on some IDE and magically jumping to the line with the error. Thinking about how I structure my projects folders and files instead of just whatever the IDE choses. Etc.

>>106038770
I don't think you have the level of curiousty or actual care for security. If you're working a small bisinuess you should at the very least learn Self hosting that can be done via mac because the terminal commands will be similar on the linux machines to host your service s. Sorry to disapoint you but there's no reason to argue over something you don't have any interest in.

>>106038846
I have real interest in security but so far going dowb the rabbit hole I noticed that
-the user experience is extremely downgraded
-in the end it is so impractical that seemingly they propose compartmentalizing your normal stuff from your darkweb weird stuff. But what if I dont really have any weird stuff to do and just wanted enhanced security for normal stuff? It seems this is seemingly outside of the target user for these things

>>106038828
Thats all fine and until you need to run Office and want to play video gayms without hasstle. I might move my ~workflow~ over to google workspace though, but not sure if that is worth it either.

>>106038896
You really don't and you can do all that you want on a macbook

>>106038713 (OP)
>I have been using windows my entire like
my condolenses

i just gave up and went back to windows 11
i dont care if its run by jeets
i dont care if linux is free and open source
i dont care if im the product
it just works for what i do and i dont need to tinker around with it

>>106038978
Maybe I am not cut out for it all. The question than becomes windows vs mac. Is there any true advantage to mac other than being a flex for many people?

>>106038998
>i dont care if linux is free and open source
>i dont care if im the product

But if Linux is free, who is product? It is all very confusing

>>106038828
>Windows is like an old car: breaks a lot
I have used windows my entire life both privately and professionally, and not once did it break of cause me the slightest inconvenience. What are you talking about?

The only thing I don't like about windows is all their telemetry and mass surveillance

>>106038713 (OP)
Despite all the constant bait threads. MacOS is kind of pointless since it doesn't really seem to fill a niche.

Windows has by far the best software and legacy support. It's unmatched.
Linux has the best customization, privacy and user experience(provided you spend the time to learn it).
Android/iOS if you just want a brain-dead easy social media device.

MacOS does seems pretty nice if you have bought into the Apple ecosystem, but that's the only thing that springs to mind. I guess it also has a pretty okay OOTB experience. Especially now that MS decided to make Windows as hard to use as possible. But I also think if you can't bother spending 30min/hour setting up your operating system after install, you should probably stick with iOS/Android.

>>106038713 (OP)
There is so much malware for Windows and so many vulnerabilities discovered every month that I will probably never use it on my personal machine again. I used macOS for 5 years and recently moved to Linux. macOS is clean polished but there are a couple of small things I don't like about the UI and Apple hardware is awkward and expensive. I like Linux because I feel like I can do anything with it. Linux is the OS you start using once you start to really understand how computers work.

>>106039155
I just bought a qubes os certified custom laptop with qubes os on it. Received it today. Huge regrets. It looks like it is somethig from the stone age. I feel really bad for having no impulse control now

>>106039100
>true advantage to mac
being less insufferable than windows is cool

>>106039248
Only issue I have with windows is telemetry, surveillance etc. Other than that it works great.

Is mac better or worse or the same?

>>106039272
windows makes me want to blow my brains out, it unironically kills my enthusiasm for computers and programming

>>106039285
What about it specifically?

>>106039138
Funnily enough just yesterday I had to reinstall Windows 3 times to get it to work.

>about a week ago
>all native Windows programs just disappeared, couldn't open the terminal, paint, notepad
>still not sure what the fuck happened, don't bother looking into it too much, just decided to reinstall it since I hadn't updated the system in like a year
>download ISO, install it, set it up like before
>suddenly notice a lot of blue screens, whatever, probably a GPU driver issue since it often happened when I started a game or Photoshop
>suddenly it blue screens almost every type i boot
>reinstall it again
>blue screens are still there
>now for some reason whenever I try to install video drivers Windows just bugs me about installing it using the Windows Store, refuses to install it normally
>google some fix, copy paste some command from some shady probably AI written website
>suddenly Windows can't open any exe files, not even the command prompt or regedit
>maybe I should try a different ISO and debloat the image itself this time
>reinstall windows, just so I can open Rufus and make a new bootable USB to reinstall windows

It seems to work now, turns out it was some process I disabled that caused all the blue screens. Trying to make Windows into a usable system is exhausting.

>>106038713 (OP)
Windows is slow and fat, but has everything in it. If you care about any niche software, (shit like Civil 3D or Adobe Fresco) or stuff like visual novels or games, (especially old games) then you'll have to use emulators or VMs when using Linux or macOS. Linux is better off when it comes to emulating powerful games or programs, since it can have the same parts as a Windows PC. macOS, not so much. Their best chips are mid-tier when compared to any GPUs, (the M4 Max I think is like a 4060?) and still not the best when compared to the latest CPUs. Their only advantage is the retarded amounts of VRAM they can have. So if you try emulating anything heavy, you'll likely have a bad time unless you got a really powerful Mac. (Which would cost inordinate amounts of money)

Linux and macOS can technically run faster, due to having less bloat but not when emulating stuff/using a VM. And Linux runs very few things, and macOS only some stuff. And you'll need to get used to using them to be able to use them well. In other words, Linux is a dumb idea, macOS is a dumb and financially unwise idea.

>>106038828
>Mac is like an imported car: breaks just as often, but costs a lot more to repair.
tbqh I haven't had any issues with it
haven't had Windows outright break on me either, 11 just runs like shit, but not broken per se

but linux? that shit breaks all the time

>>106039362
How come windows work perfectly for 99,99% people but not for you?

>>106039402
Doesn't work for me when using 3 monitors on my work laptop.
Why are you looking to argue on a Saturday you have zero deviation on your angles of attack.

>>106039406
Not looking to argue just trying to distinguish ideological positions from functional ones

>>106039155
>MacOS is kind of pointless since it doesn't really seem to fill a niche.
It's a workstation OS. If you're making music, or visual art, or video games, anything creative, macOS is for that. Sure, you can use Windows for almost anything macOS can be used for, and with Windows 7 (perfection) yes, Windows was the better choice. But these days? With 10/11 slow-as-molasses flashy-animations slop? macOS is faster and crisper.

The only thing it's not good for is gaming, and I think there's one or two pieces of architectural engineering software or something like that which it's missing.

>>106039272
MacOS also spies on you, it's just less obvious about it and sometimes offers some actual features for the surveillance. While Microsoft just makes a generic keylogger and pretends its somehow useful to you as a user.
Granted after configuring things I'm not sure which system can be made more private. Especially if you start actively blocking any and all Microsoft connections.

>>106039402
Probably because I have stronger preferences and like to set up my OS the way I like it. Windows makes for a pretty okay no-bullshit system that stays out of your way once you get it properly set up, but it does make things a bit unstable.

>>106039456
That's still not really a niche. As you said, Windows also does all that. MacOS is just a bit crisper out of the box.

OP is a sperg looking to argue, this is bait

>>106039458
>>106039509
What if I want a computer that just works and doesnt spy on me like a motherfucker

>>106039402
NTA but I've consistently had random blue screens for years now. Thought that might be a hardware issue. For some reason when I'm constantly doing shit nothing happens, but if I just let go and it stays still for like 5 or 10 minutes? Blue screen. But playing a heavy game, with the fans whirring and all the RAM and hardware being pushed to the max? Nothing happens. My laptop doesn't have that problem though.

Honestly, the only thing stopping me from moving over to macOS is games. I don't want to have to emulate all my VNs and shmups and whatever when I often already have trouble making these things run on Windows itself. For some more modern games, even the latest Apple Silicon chip doesn't seem to have the power needed to run them at the level I want. And apparently macOS works best with 5K, but all screens with that resolution only have 60hz of refresh rate. And my work also has Windows only programs.

I'll wait to see if Apple makes Macs powerful enough and emulation easy enough for me to consider them. I'll just stick with my laptop for work.

>>106038713 (OP)
Windows - Have games lots of games
MaxOS - Have one specific app they just don't sell for anything other than Mac
Linux - Just want to do shit, and maybe have multiple mismatched generations of devices you want to keep using

>>106039555
There isn't one. You will have to make the choice between just works and privacy.
Closest you can get is probably Linux Mint or something like that. But you will still run into issues.

>>106039596
I installed linux mint. It is acceptable to me in terms of user experience. But is it really not spying on me??

>>106038713 (OP)
>Windows vs MacOS vs Linux
linux
>in practice it seems like a steaming pile of shit
at first, but when you learn more about it, it becomes much more powerful than other 2
>it seems more like an ideology
Yes, but there's a rational part about it. We are approaching mass survailance / blackmail apocalipse, it will be like ww2 or cold war times in ussr or even worse. Using linux or bsd will make it easier for you or maybe will even help prevent it.

>>106039699
If linux is free, am i then not the product?

>>106039746
Just pay for it and don't worry about that. Donate to whatever FOSS projects you want, a good strategy is to donate for fixing bugs that you find, if any.

>>106038713 (OP)
Apple has a 14-day no-questions-asked return policy
Try a Mac for a week and a half and see if you like it or not
If you like it, you can move to it and install Linux on your current machine to try it out as well and make your own opinion

>>106039699
>We are approaching mass survailance / blackmail apocalipse, it will be like ww2 or cold war times in ussr or even worse. Using linux or bsd will make it easier for you or maybe will even help prevent it.
It won't. Linux had an NSA backdoor for 10 years
https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/nsa-linked-bvp47-linux-backdoor-widely-undetected-for-10-years/
and a chinese backdoor
https://www.broadcom.com/support/security-center/protection-bulletin/linux-based-bpfdoor-observed-in-asia-and-middle-east

and these are just the ones that we know about right now. not to mention linux gives you an extremely unique fingerprint that indicates you have something to hide, increasing its risk of being surveilled

>>106040036
Ahhh this is definitely a lot to think about.

>>106039995
I heard it has issues with connecting to non apple monitors

>>106040081
I'm using a mac connected to a non apple monitor right now without issue. I've never heard of this

>>106038713 (OP)
MacOS, honestly
/g/ scared me, but I bought an m1 pro 16" mbp on a whim after years of FUD, and it has been the best laptop I've used in my life

>>106038828
used windows shit for like 20 years I can't even count the times I've encountered endless issues and weird crashes, not to mention clusterfuck bloat

from like 2015-2021 I used linux, distro hopping ever couple of months, and it was fine, but compared to windows I lost anywhere from 20-30% of battery life even after using TLP. Random shit wouldn't work at times, but I'd usually find good workarounds or fixes, and once in awhile I'd experience random shutdowns or freezes, but at least it wasn't windows.

Regarding macOS any of the few issues I've had, I was able to either install a free thirdparty app that fixes it, or found a setting that resolved it

>>106040036
Man I feel so much regret. I went down a major security rabbit hole last week and ordered a custom laptop with qubes OS for muh security maxxing.

Received it today and its a total shit show. Will try to get a refund but I feel it will be a very hard fight to get that done

Should have just got a mac and be realistic about the world we live in

intel agencies have been found literally running VPN services, have literal offices at CPU manufacturing/design companies, ISPs, networking hardware – it's all penetrated

beyond avoiding some advertisement agencies, outside of mythical hackerman supremes, the overwhelming vast majority of people cannot escape the ever-advancing surveillance grid

>>106040250
>people cannot escape the ever-advancing surveillance grid

Its pretty brutal. Only thing we can theoretically do is use technology only fof strictly necessary things like work, admin, tax filing.

>>106040036
>not to mention linux gives you an extremely unique fingerprint that indicates you have something to hide
It only indicates that I don't want faang crap on my computer, or it's maybe better to say I only want stuff from them that I really need.