What's the use case?

Filtering archfags.

It just werks and doesn't do weird shit on its own after you set it up the way you want.

>>106128059
>16 GB of RAM used
Close your futa porn tabs.

>>106128104
Unused RAM is wasted RAM

>>106128115
>48 GB wasted
Uh huh...

>>106128127
It's used as cache

The cobras put it into their Teslas.

>>106128007 (OP)
when you want debian's "fuck off" approach to constant updootes, but also want to have packages from recipes (like pkgbuilds), gentoo delivers. gentoo also has a wiki for retards which helps to set things up without much thought. as i'm lazy i've seen this and disregarded further research for any other distro with similar capabilities.

Ever since I installed Gentoo, I cannot cope with distros that don't have a custom kernel. So many parts and modules in there when they could be removed and the kernel cleaned up.

>inb4 you can have a custom kernel on every distro , not just Gentoo
Yes, but it's the best suited one for that setup.

>>106128007 (OP)
installing it, of course

>>106128115
No.

>>106128059
>install Gentoo
>run systemd anyway
Average modern Gentoo user.
>but I use the OpenRC profiles!
and you pull in most of the systemd tools anyway because the distro was taken over long ago by fags getting paid off by Red Hat to shit the place up. Nearly every last unique Gentoo tools for managing the kernel and lower user space has been killed off by now. Can't even trust the kernel it comes with by default or OpenRC these days. Same fag squatting on both is the reason why you can't discuss other inits on the forums anymore.

Is it any wonder a distro goes to shit when everyone that knew what they were doing ends up banned?

Real shame about Gentoo. You can still make a decent distro for yourself out of it. But good luck finding any guides on how to do that these days. Gentoo of old would have come up with a better way to manage /dev by now and would have switched over to something like s6 init by default long ago. But if you do that you can import systemd's cancer so everyone is forced to suffer. God forbid you have a distro by default that doesn't cater to Red Hat's whims.

>>106128888
It takes the actually good parts of systemd and ignores the rest. Not an issue unless you're a schizo, but then you should be using a cuck license OS anyway

>>106128888
>and you pull in most of the systemd tools anyway because the distro was taken over long ago by fags getting paid off by Red Hat to shit the place up. Nearly every last unique Gentoo tools for managing the kernel and lower user space has been killed off by now. Can't even trust the kernel it comes with by default or OpenRC these days. Same fag squatting on both is the reason why you can't discuss other inits on the forums anymore.
name and shame or shut the fuck up
ps: i willingly use gentoo with systemd and systemd-boot and i'm quite happy

>>106128972
>the good parts of systemd
LOL there are none
>unless you're a schizo
typical shitter, can't into building his own distro from scratch. Doesn't know how the kernel and userspace works. Feels the need to have an opinion anyway.
>cuck license
Why would I give a fuck about the opinions of a foot cheese eater or a bunch of fags on the west coast? MIT and Berkley are both glow nigger dens and you're falling for the false choice between two options they offer you like with most everything else in life. Typical trap designed to snare retards. Which is why you have no ability to have a in-depth technical discussion about the various different flavors of the one true glow nigger OS (UNIX).

No one is impressed that you got your hand held to build the cancer spyware and malware from source code. Half the USE flags don't even work as advertised anymore anyway. You've effectively built Fedora from source code with automated tools. It's the same as using one of those bash scripts for shitters to install Arch.

Of course I don't expect someone that's only used the inferior GNU utilities to know what good software is. Considering you haven't experienced real UNIX-like userspace tools that do twice as much with half the amount of source code.

Is this going to be another thread where we watch the Gentoo council spend 400 posts running damage control? I sure hope so.

>>106129099
>name and shame or shut the fuck up
Why? Are you so new that you haven't seen the other 1,000 threads in the last year where they come here and attempt to keep coasting on the old install Gentoo meme?
>I willingly use systemd
Ah yes. I see they're already here.

>>106129130
>LOL there are none
udev is good
>the inferior GNU utilities
meds, now

>>106129147
>udev is good
Ah yes udev. Where devices never load in the correct order and you can never be sure if they'll work at all. Amazing undocumented config files too! Amazing!
>meds, now
I accept your confession.

>>106128007 (OP)
>What's the use case?
whatever you want it to be.

>>106128059
what font is that

>>106129254
The title and menu bars are Ubuntu condensed
The terminal itself is Luxi Mono [B&H]

>>106128045
I don't get it. I looked at the gentoo installation instructions and it looks simple, how's that supposed to filter anyone? Because you have to waste way too much time doing all those steps?

>>106129483
>it looks simple
It is, and archfags can't do it.

>>106128007 (OP)
can you gayme on it?

>>106129602
If they can't do it, they can't install Arch without archinstall either.

>>106129703
Correct. Your point?

>>106129723
So it's literally not filtering Archfags. It's filtering a subset of archfags and everyone else.

>>106129179
you have big words for someone who toys with systems instead of writing them, and who uselessly attacks muh typical shitter gentoofags instead of ruining people who've ruined even a chance for non retarded operating systems to be sufficiently developed and supported by (not spying, not black-boxed, not pozzed, not produced by a fucked up and corrupt electronics industry) hardware.

>>106129751
All archfags use archinstall now.

>>106129752
>you have big words for someone who toys with systems instead of writing them
Sorry, not posting my dox. Nice try.

Can gentoo achieve the minimalistic levels of LFS?

>>106130396
LFS is just Gentoo with 12 hours of bootstrapping.

>>106130410
If I'm not retarded, I'm understanding that that is a Yes. Sounds great then.

>>106129935
lmao no. Not that there'd be anything wrong with that, if it gives you the result you're looking for.

>>106128888
How does systemd get in the way of using Firefox

is it possible to squeak on gentoo?

>>106129179
>I accept your confession.
retard tier misinterpretation of this phrase

>>106132205

>>106133056
You have no argument. You keep relying in angry. That means defeat+butthurt. That is a concession.

>>106132187
>how does spyware get in the way of using spyware
lmao

>>106129099
>ps: i willingly use gentoo with systemd and systemd-boot and i'm quite happy
this, i've always set up systemd when i use gentoo. it's just good at it

>>106128059
>dist kernel

Autism.

testestetweset

>>106129685
yea i play games on it

>>106128007 (OP)
>What's the use case?
Never feeling the warmth of a woman laying in your bed beside you

>>106128007 (OP)
I like configuring my system and compiling my software, it's fun

>>106129179
>I accept your confession
The twist on the jeet theft of accepting concession that came from none response to query to become a "fuck you bloody" interpretation of the phrase to become claiming victory for nothing is absolute keks.

>>106134698
Nevermind I should've read the thread. This response >>106133372 means that confession was just a mistype. To be clear, I thought confession phrase was an intentional twist to claim the other commenter was confessing to needing meds. I overestimated your retard abilities. This makes me look at the bell curve horseshoe meme with a reality check, but also the reality of the statement, "If you surround yourself with idiots, you'll eventually become one."

you can use it for whatever and however, it'll just take more effort to install and configure. With that said, it's the most efficient way to have full control over the software on your system imo (I haven't tried every disto).

>>106128059
>Adwaita on KDE
Please do yourself a favour and at least install the Breeze GTK theme.

>>106133399
dist kernel just werks

>>106130396
more or less. by the time you've set up LFS to be useful, you've basically just done a gentoo install by hand and without a package manager
LFS is more of a learning experience than a "distro", gentoo is something in between lfs and a regular/binary distro, where you can still pick how everything is configured and patched, but still has enough automation to be used like a normal distro

>>106133858
you're pretending like installing and/or using linux at all isn't autism

>>106135784
>where you can still pick how everything is configured and patched, but still has enough automation to be used like a normal distro
This.
>>106130396
Once you setup LFS, then what? How do you maintain it? Gentoo already has all of the tools for that. You can make a minimal system with it and still have a proper package manager. Don't want Portage and a toolchain in your image assets? You don't need them, you can install into a custom root instead.
Gentoo gives you all of the tools to build whatever you want with it and crucially maintain it going forward. It's up to you what you do with that.

>>106128888
Personally I don't even use udev. I also have "*systemd*" in INSTALL_MASK.

>>106136651
That's a very bad idea. It can break some things. Better to target it at specific files instead.

>>106136692
Works for me. AppArmor complains that it can't find some systemd specific profiles but that doesn't matter if no systemd software is installed anyway.

Gentoo offerd much better performances since the software is optimized to my specfic CPU when I compile them myself. Distros like Arch and Debian use ancient generic CPU feature flags to work with 20 years old devices.

>>106136736
There could be legitimate reasons for something to have Systemd in its name like a library or header file or pkg-config file, etc. All you're doing is potentially causing issues for yourself if you accidentally end up deleting something you shouldn't have.

It's better to use a more targeted mask like for example:
INSTALL_MASK="/lib/systemd/*"

Gentoo threads always make for better-than-average schizos

>>106129130
>there are none

solutions such as dinit/s6 did not exist at the time systemd was created. Most distros were using various shell-script-based rc systems, which did not supervise their services, which both added extra complexity to the daemons (because they need to be able to daemonize themselves, typically with the double-fork and setsid approach) and made the system less resilient (because it is impossible to robustly track daemonized processes, so the service manager could not e.g. properly restart them, and in case of a daemon crash, they were prone to scenarios such as another process taking over the original daemon’s PID, with the service manager still “tracking” the old PID via pidfile). Additionally, the shell infrastructure around init scripts can hardly be called simple

However, as a whole, the implementation of systemd is rather messy, and now comes with a lot of unrelated components which are nevertheless all tied together with the same libraries and build system and impossible to isolate. Those unrelated components tend to be a hit and miss, with some of them being potentially interesting, and others outright poorly thought out

Install Guix

>>106137497
why

>>106137551
just do it.

>>106136986
No thanks Mr. Pottering,

>>106128888
CHECKED
FVCKING TRVTH NVKE
RIP FUNTQQ

>>106128888
shut up, senile, infertile, old hag.
INSTALL_MASK="/lib/systemd /usr/lib/systemd /etc/systemd"

>>106128007 (OP)
The use case is to show off, but LFS is better for that purpose.

Can you do the same shit with Arch Building System?

>>106128888
Fundies are not welcome in /g/

>>106140856
Did you even read what I wrote?
I'm not saying you should use Systemd, I'm saying you can break shit with a greedy mask like that.

Imagine a case like the following:
>Compiling program foo includes a header with Systemd in its name
>This header is a noop or does nothing since you're not using Systemd but it still includes it during compilation
>You now break the build because you were a retard that thought it'd be funny to blanket delete any file with Systemd in its name
This has literally happened before by the way, it's not some imaginable issue. At least use: >>106142833 instead of being a retard.

>>106144424
You can but its a worse build system that's not really optimal for building from source.
You'd almost certainly want to maintain your own package repository (like for example, Artix or Cachy OS do).

>>106144424
no, it doesn't have a equivalent to things like USE flags or a unified method of patching packages. pkgbuilds are fully configured inside each pkgbuild and patches have to be added to the pkgbuild as well. it doesn't facilitate package customisation like gentoo does

use flag?

i used to emerge the world and add compiler flags to my kernel so it would run imperceptibly faster after the 10 minute compile was over. now i just run debian, i retained no knowledge from gentoo

>>106129130
GPL > MIT/BSD > Proprietary
We live in an era where software is under attack and GPL is the best thing we got. But we need regulation to help, but that will never happen

>>106137497
Why is every package a year out of date :(

I don't mind compiling Gentoo but the kernel setup and ncurses menu is dumb and kinda a waste of time

>>106146993
There is a binary dist kernel now that you can install if you don't want to have to care about that.

So basically after reviewing the thread actual retards use gentoo

>>106137497
Is guix the new gentoo

>>106130837
yes they do, or they use any one of the many installation tutorials on youtube which likely every linux youtuber at this point have on their channel. also >>106129483 gentoo guide is way more detailed, i thought it was obvious by the length? seems like you're pretending to be retarded.

>>106128007 (OP)
Nothing, as usual with sodomux
Windows and MacOS are the superior OSes

>>106128888
>>106129130
may i know the distro/OS you use, anon?

I use it for reasons that can only be understood by someone who also uses it.
It's like asking someone from europe why their food isn't overloaded with corn syrup. Come here and try eating it for a month, maybe you will understand if you aren't retarded.

>>106148362
Sounds like pretentious tardation

>>106148584
You're the one who's pretentious, wasting your life on 4chan, and acting like trying Gentoo is just above you, when your time is so worthless, you could be killed and 0 value would be lost.

>>106148611
Not him, but I mean, you don't need to be a super genius to figure out if compiling shit from source every time you want to update your packages is worth your time. I've compiled crap before, it takes a long time.

You don't need to use Gentoo to figure that out. And if you're using binaries anyway, which from my understanding is an option on Gentoo, and not taking advantage of the epic cflags, you may as well just use something else.

>>106128888
do you tried gentoo ? becquse u spray shit ..... u pull some stuff but read the log is not even a part of systemd like udev so ... RTFM every time baby gentoo user speak too much...... befor learn sad :/

>>106148682
If you weren't a retarded shit eating millenial who has 3 monitors to make best use of his strabismus, you'd know that compiling hasn't ever been a problem to anyone but shit eating millenial retards who have a funko pop collection more expensive than their entire computer.

>>106148716
Why are you seething? Are you mad because you can't use your computer as it's currently compiling something or what? I don't get it.

>>106148770
Best CPU on the market costs less than $300 and compiles most bloated packages in under 10 minutes, while needing to do it once a month at most, can you tell me why your funko pop obsession prevents you from buying it? Why somehow 2 hours of downtime is such a big problem in your life? I spend more than 2 hours a day not at my computer to begin with, I really can't understand what kind of mental illness makes you be this way, but I hope you will eventually get help you need.

>>106148770
>>106148795
idk what you guys are arguing about, but imo, the time needed to build packages only really comes up if you're installing something for the first time. this can be a problem if you're new to linux and installing new things often as you figure out what you want to use long-term, but for settled users it literally doesn't matter. like oh there's a new browser version? you can keep using the current one while it builds the new one. there's no down time.
not to mention the expanded binary support. if you need something /now/ you can always just install a binary package (or even one of those flatpaks or whatever) in the interim, or permanently, the choice is always yours.
i recently set back up a machine i haven't touched in a year, which has gentoo installed on it. i ran an update before going to sleep, and in the morning it was completely up to date. people act like you have to stop what you're doing and stare at the machine as it builds software or something. this isn't the 90's where you literally can't do anything else while software is being compiled

>>106148870
>i ran an update before going to sleep, and in the morning it was completely up to date.
should mention also that machine is 12 years old

>>106148870
>>106148877
this hasn't been an issue or a real argument for almost 3 years even if you're running gentoo on a pentium, newfren https://www.gentoo.org/news/2023/12/29/Gentoo-binary.html

>>106148881
i mentioned the new binary support

>>106148870
I don't know what he's arguing about either. I proposed that:
1) If I don't want to compile software, then Gentoo is not for me and I don't need to try it to figure out that I still don't want to compile packages if I don't have to.
2) If I was only going to use binary packages on Gentoo, then there is no point in using Gentoo in the first place when there are many other options that work just as well.

That seems like a perfectly reasonable opinion, which shouldn't provoke any kind of seething.

>>106148992
You don't compile software, your computer does it for you.

>>106149017
I don't care about the semantic distinction you're making. Either way compiling takes way longer than installing binary packages.

>>106149048
I installed everything I needed years ago.

>>106148992
sure, absolutely, if you have no interest in building software to suit your specific cpu for a few percent extra performance (on average), being able to pick what features are enabled or disabled in every package, easily adding custom patches to software, or having native support for partial upgrades, then there's probably little to no reason for you to build packages. it's not for everyone
>If I was only going to use binary packages on Gentoo, then there is no point in using Gentoo in the first place
sure, but my point is that it's an option for certain cases, like for example i use binary packages for a couple of heavy packages i rarely use, like rust for example, which takes a long time to build and i don't give two shits about customising it. it takes a long time to build and it's only there to build other things. it would make no sense to do a binary-only gentoo system, though even a binary-by-default gentoo install might be useful, like if you need to customise just a few things. few other systems make package customisation as seamless as gentoo does. if it's just one or two you can probably put up with it in most distros however
i'm not the kind of person who says everyone has to use it, but i will defend it if people suggest it has not utility

>>106149083
Well I never said it has no utility, I only said that it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out if it does or does not have utility for you specifically. It's not exactly hard to figure out what Gentoo is for.

>>106149098
plenty of people are confused about why someone would pick gentoo over anything else. to a new user it sure looks like "the same thing [as other distros] but programs takes ages to install", which is only true if you don't customise anything. most people won't have the need or desire to customise anything, so it's not something i'd just recommend to anyone not asking for it

>>106149124
You don't need Gentoo to customize things, though. Depending on the exact specifics of customization you're talking about, there are other options. It's only certain types of customization you need Gentoo for.
I don't think a user who doesn't already have in depth understanding of what Gentoo is and what they need it for is a valid target audience in general.

>>106146239
I don't give a shit and I'm not installing any systemd related files. Why are you trying so hard to make me?

>What's the use case?
Make SystemD stronger.

>>106149282
Oh no, not a package that nobody uses because we don't run slop that pollutes tmpfiles for them to need to be cleaned up hourly by a daemon, lmao.

>>106149320
Shalom, shabbos goy. Remember to keep the Sabbath next year.

>>106149373
I don't know what that means, why don't you go use your totally non-pozzed OS instead of seething here? Oh, that's right, there are none.

>>106149407
>i don't know what that means
You're not fooling anyone, Red Hat shill (i'd call you a Google shill, but they're dropping their Gentoo distro, ChromeOS, in favor of Android LOL).
>why don't you go use your totally non-pozzed OS
I'm doing to right now, though?
>instead of seething here?
I'm just pointing how your jewish masters mutilated and raped Gentoo to the ground. You can lie, dodge, shame, and obfuscate but the facts still stand against your narrative: Genpoo is for gay, mentally impaired niggers who larp as super IT monkeys.

I'll not elaborate further, golems (you) aren't interesed in honest discourse.

>>106149505
*interested
Whoopsie, hehehe.

>>106149505
>>106149525
It appears you didn't proofread your post. How about you delete it now and then proofread it? Reposting it is optional. Because I won't read it either way.

>>106147317
why is archinstall inferior than doing everything manually?

>>106149570
Archinstall introduces some opinionated configuration you may not want.
Maybe you're happy with it, maybe you're not. But it is there.

>>106149562
I accept your consession, Red Hat shill. No SystemD for me and super poettering AIDS for you! I'm out!

>>106149608
dont mention anything specific btw, you wouldnt want to be useful

>>106149747
Well for one it picked an option I don't like for what to use as thumbnail generation in KDE. I prefer MPV.
I don't care for the automatic partition layout either, and if I was gonna do it manually anyway I might as well just do the entire install manually because that takes the most time.