To find out what all the fuss is all about, I tried Linux for a month (both Mint and Fedora) after a lifetime of windows.

Verdict: not great, not terrible, not better than windows. I don't understand why this is a thing, especially knowing that telemetry and privacy arguements are kind of meaningless, considering we are all working on compromised CPU's controlled by the NSA

>>106160842 (OP)
>compromised CPU's controlled by the NSA
No such thing. Meds and BBC, now!

>>106161624
Intel ME?

>no reason to put up a fight goy just get the government drilled in brain chip

>>106160842 (OP)
Imagine being able to just type "update system" into a terminal and have it update all your shit while you work instead of having bill gates personally hijack your system to install bloatware you don't want and then rebooting your computer even though you might have been rendering something and then thinking "not that great".

>>106160842 (OP)
That's the point many people miss.
I very much enjoy the PowerShell Win 10 has and if you're not dumb as bricks, all advanced Windows settings are there, it's enough to just use the built-in Search function. Or use the links in Settings. I don't know about 11, but at least 10 still allows you to do things Linux-style or using only the UI. Linux isn't hte "safer" option, actually I wonder where does the panic come from. Hardware backdoors are all the rage these days. If the agencies want your data, they will have it. No OS will protect you, maybe some form of encryption will but that's as long as they don't come up with some AI being able to de-encrypt all commonly available (to typical users) encryption methods. For now, I see it all as useless bantering over shit that, if push comes to shove, will reveal everything regardless. The people who work on stuff requiring special clearances aren't some dumb pajeet codemonkeys.
Just use a system best used to your daily needs and not one YOU HEARD is the best, but requires extra steps of no value, as the end result is the same - if not worse.

>>106161718
Would you like to install bing?

>>106161697
nta, but that's one hell of a strawman. Also, guess who contributes a fuckton of code to Linux, yep, Microsoft, and the CCP.

>>106161705
Never had this happen on any Windows install from XP through 11. You're clearly doing it wrong. Also, stop being an updooter. Don't fix what isn't broken. If shit just works for you, don't update it.

>>106161750
Personally, I've never seen any of >>106161705
this stuff, but that's perhaps because I'm not dumb enough to use a typical, OEM version of Win 10. I have Edge uninstalled no probs.

do you think intel me and amd psp can be used outside of your lan?

>>106161718

Windows doesn't let you run obviously malicious things in a safe way, Linux does. You have the ability to define any syscall restrictions you like for any/all userspace processes, as well as layer multiple sets of Mandatory Access Controls however you like. You can even bind specific graphical software to specific GPUs in a confidentiality-preserving way. Through the joys of BPF, you can also implement extremely flexible userspace filtering of network packets beyond what Windows allows plebs to do.

The main problem is that Linux falls over on support for things like hardware video encode/decode in web browsers, lacks support for proprietary DAC enhancements for cheapy laptops, among other shortcomings.

There's a world of difference for those who actually know how to use their PC and yes, Linux can protect you in ways which Windows functionally cannot. The closest you'll get is Sandboxie and that falls over the moment you want to confine something like video games using anti-cheat, VR headset services or proprietary web browsers using DRM.

The end result is very different for people who know how their systems work

>>106161665
nothingburger and boogyman for schizos.

>>106161705
>instead of having bill gates personally hijack your system to install bloatware you don't want and then rebooting your computer even though you might have been rendering something and then thinking "not that great".
literally never happened
also
>what are group policies?

>>106160842 (OP)
>not better than windows
And windows isn't much better than Linux. Imo it boils down to personal preferences. Like liking ricing, bash and .conf over either bat files/powershell or inconsistent gui config, package manager instead of official site/steam/win store, a focused setup exactly for what you need instead of a garbage yard of everything... That kind of thing.
You already know the answer to privacy concerns - most realistically it lies not in technology, but in separate identities and knowing people who can get you a false id, a burner pc and a quick gateaway. Doing everything from a single isp or devices you've bought using your own credit card is already a breach, it all goes the drain once you use stuff connected to you. Tho I still consider using lincucks a fuck you to corpos, if only in intention, and so do not shill against it.

>>106162186
You're right. I'm on Windows atm but used Linux for reviving old laptops, it all depends on what you want to do.

>>106162027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kwO69OEjQE

>>106160842 (OP)
>you accidently got one drop of shit on your sock
>this means avoiding shit is "kind of meaningless" and now you swim in cow shit every day eating only cow shit
This is how you sound OP. Why lock the doors ever when once somebody broke in to your house? Oh you got tiny wound once. Well, why not kill yourself now because living at all is "kind of meaningless".

>>106160842 (OP)
I still like Linux for software development better it’s much easier to do stuff especially for C and C++ development the windows ecosystem sucks. Project and solution files are horrid. It’s also a lot easier to install dependencies and stuff.

>>106160842 (OP)
For most people using Linux is just a phase they go through. Like a growing up thing. Or an LGBT identity.

You'll notice that Linuxfags are never honest about the downsides of Linux. They'll always shit talk and tell lies about Windows and Macs and ignore all criticism of Linux.
That's because they don't see the OS as just a tool to run software. It's an ideology for them.

>>106162491
To be fair, it can be a fun phase.
People often get into Linux because they're disillusioned with Windows and Mac. And it requires them to dig deep and learn how to do things on a deeper level, from a command line, sometimes even interacting with lower processes and whatnot.
A lot of time and energy goes into acquiring those skills. What many miss is that you can learn to use Windows and Mac on a deeper level as well. That a lot of their problems with those platforms had to do with the fact that they *didn't* dig as deep as they were willing to dig with Linux. A lot of complaints boil down to "I don't know how to do this" - something that would never fly without response if someone coming from Windows said it about Linux.
OSes are tools. Use the right tool for the job. Sometimes that's Windows. Sometimes that's Linux or Mac. And before anyone accuses me of being an MS shill, I'm literally writing this from a Debian Trixie installation - I love Linux but it's not the end all be all some want it to be.

>>106162605
>i'm just like you!
keep the ad fueled, privacy invasive OS away from me.
>>106162491
>ignore all criticism of Linux.
linux is extremely fragmented, most of the issues you will face are due to your distribution, which is why it's very hard to argue with criticism, because most of them don't apply to us. this is why the "works on my machine" was born.

>>106162605
My guy, I used windows for 30 years and digging beyond the surface level in windows is 11/10 painful. It took me months to learn shit on Linux that took me years on windows and I'm old now.

>>106162663
It's funny how you zealots feel attacked by even the slightest of criticism, even when the criticism is mostly just perceived.
I can't be someone who mostly likes Linux but isn't married to it ideologically. Oh no, I have to be a shill.
People like (You) are why so many hate Linux. They don't want to identify with (You) or share a common cause with (You).
>>106162689
Cool. I'm in my 40s. I've been computing since I was around 8 or 9 (good ol' Apple II), using Windows for 30 years and Linux for 15. I like both. But I find Windows *very* usable now. PowerShell works great. winget works as well as any package manager on Linux and can install just about anything without poking around the web.
Again, there's a willingness to learn when it comes to Linux that people failed to express when it comes to Windows because, now that I understand the concepts after having dealt with Linux for so long, I don't find Windows all that difficult.

>>106162775
>It's funny how you zealots feel attacked by even the slightest of criticism...
you're doing a whole lot of projecting there. what you can do on windows is irrelevant, because the foundation is rotten. windows only cares about their users insofar as they can monetize them.

>>106162841
How am I projecting?
I straight up said I'm on Linux retard. And I use Linux most of the time.
You're the one accusing me of being a shill just for saying Windows isn't that bad and that most people's problems at this point are skill issues.
You're a zealot. You are absolutely part of the reason more people don't want to use Linux. Linux fanboys are the most obnoxious fanboy community out there. You're ideological purists on par with the fucking socialists who are always infighting about people not being pure enough for the cause.
If you can't see it I can't help you but anyone reading what you write can absolutely see it.

>>106162002
sure it is, special agent harris

This thread is total insanity, is there a term for demoralization whereby there's so many lies, contrarian retardisms, hyperbole, and bold faced denials of common factual truths (people meme about widows updating your shit, restarting your computer, but the disingenuous fraudulent bad faith freaks are going to just loudly claim "never happened") that the intent is to give you too many targets to disprove, things so well known that it's almost a lot of effort to demonstrate?

I know OP is just trolling but I've actually seen this on YouTube and anywhere zoomers are allowed to comment, it's clearly some kind of iteration on trying to undermine and get over on people.

>>106162775
I already told you the reason. Learning windows sucks. For one because you have to waste a massive amount of time learning boring shit to deal with Microsofts ill guided choices. It isn't even about how difficult it is, it's just boring as fuck so motivation is a struggle session.

OP here, after I learned about hardware level backdoors, life has never been the same. Can't believe people still rant about windows 11 telemutruh

>>106162969
>i'm just like you except no actually
>ad hominems
is that all the counter points you have?

>>106163041
https://forum.qubes-os.org/t/please-clarify-the-different-methods-of-intel-management-engine-disabling/35253

qubes os forum, a community supposedly dedicated to security and privacy, told OP that he should give up on the idea of privacy. I can't really understand it.

>>106163053
I mean, what you are pointing out is a motivation factor. Which is fair, but subjective, because learning Windows doesn't suck for everyone. I enjoyed learning it, as do others.
But it is a good point. People looking to get away from Windows *do* have that higher motivation factor, both in the adventurous attitude of trying something different as well as in wanting to make that something different work. And I did enjoy learning BSD/Linux more.
I'm perhaps expressing myself poorly, but I'm not really arguing with you so much as just looking at it from a different angle.

>>106163068
You're the only one throwing around ad hominems here dude.
Criticism isn't ad hominem. Dismissing what people say based on what you claim their motivations are, on the other hand, is.

>>106161705
i remember doing a 3 day blender render 7 years ago that got obliterated 70% of the way through by a forced windows update. glad i dont use that shit anymore

will nvidia CPU's come without backdoors?
https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/no-backdoors-no-kill-switches-no-spyware/

>>106163068
https://www.logical-fallacy.com/articles/ad-hominem/

>>106161756
no thats not a strawman when its a common occurence, love to have my video encoding interrupted by sarrr nadella

>>106163137
so nothing to add then. ok.
i'll consider using windows when it stops being the ad fueled and privacy invasive OS that it is. if anything it's getting worse so yeah... sometime around never.

>>106160842 (OP)
Your intel Me sends around 0 bytes of data. Windows 11 screencaps everything you do and sends it to microsoft.
Muh privacy is dead because of a backdoor i don't understand
Please, please please make this world a better place and castrate yourself before you breed.

>>106162605
>That a lot of their problems with those platforms had to do with the fact that they *didn't* dig as deep as they were willing to dig with Linux.
Yeah. They'll spend hours editing config files on Linux, but they can't even google "how to disable automatic updates on Windows". So they'll pretend that it's not possible and that only Linux gives you this freedom.

This kind of dishonesty is really annoying and makes me hate the Linux community as a whole. Then there's all the faggot ass "Linux youtubers" and the mentally ill open source developers and mods... What a shitshow.

Anyway, I've given up on Linux years ago. At some point I still thought that with a bit of change here and there, desktop Linux could compete. Now I see it for what it is. It's a hobbyist spinoff hack of the real thing (Linux for servers) and it's never going to be good.


>>106162841
>windows only cares about their users insofar as they can monetize them.
Companies do things for profit, yes. Congrats. Now how do you expect to attract high quality developers?

>>106163220
I'm not trying to convince you to use Windows.
Stick with Linux. Linux is good. All I said is that Windows can be good as well but if it doesn't serve a use-case for you then more power to you.

>>106162605
You might have eyes but you fail to see the peaks of mount tai

>>106163226
>Your intel Me sends around 0 bytes of data.

Yes, officer, indeed.

>>106163213
You literally argued something that OP never said. That's the definition of a strawman argument.
>love to have my video encoding interrupted by sarrr nadella
Again, never had this happen in my 20+ years of using Windows from XP to 11. The problem is clearly you.

>>106163233
>Companies do things for profit, yes.
yes that's the key problem right there, their only purpose is to make as much money as possible, it's not enough to sell you licences, it's not enough to sell ads, it's not enough to sell your data, all the profit in the world won't satiate them.

>>106163262
this just means you've never had to do actual work with your toy "os"

>inb4 "uhhhh actually i do real work like editing text files"
lol

>>106163246
Measure it you fucking niggercock sucking retard. You can't show me a single byte send from the ME and wouldn't even know how to use wireshark to measure it in the first place but think you know about computers because you watched a tiktok video about it

>>106163278
Now you're moving the goalposts. I used to encode for 8+ hours a day. Also did 4 years of college work including programming, database building, ton of spreadsheet shit, photoshop, etc. Would you like to try again without fallacies and assumptions? Your choice, I'm having a good time laughing at how wrong you are.

>>106163233
>its good that im a product ready to be whored out to every data aggregator
Wintards really are this pathetic

>>106163280
>thinks the nsa isnt smart enough to doctor measurement results

you must believe internet speed tests are real too

>>106163329
>thinking college is real work
lol, too funny

>>106163338
You can easily use Windows offline.
Can't do the same with your tranny os lmao.

>>106163360
Cool job ignoring everything else. You have proven to be a Linux Cultist through and through. Like all Linux cultists, you're very low IQ that only has fallacies and assumptions. I accept your concession. Thanks for admitting I'm right and you're wrong. Filtered. Now be a good cultist and reply more, I'll never see it. I know you can't resist, you're already typing.

>>106163387
>you're very low IQ that only has fallacies and assumptions.
mirror, mirror chicken for dinner.

>>106163387
He's trolling and not worth the effort.
Don't worry, you won the exchange.

>>106163449
>Don't worry, you won the exchange.

>>106163342
You measure them yourself unless you are an indian call center worker in which case you just shit on the street and stfu

>>106163122
Yeah? I'm pretty sure nobody wants to learn how to deal with the ads on their desktop.

>>106163812
you just need to look at ads under a different angle, they're an opportunity to learn about a new product you wouldn't have heard of otherwise. isn't it exciting?

>>106163812
Poor people issue.
I use Pro and don't have ads.
You can also use massgrave to install Pro, Enterprise, or LTSC and you won't have ads either.
Again, willingness to learn issue. But as I said, I'm not hating on Linux, simply saying there's nothing wrong with using Windows.

freetards are brain dead subhuman nigger trash
prove me wrong

>>106163092
Skimmed thread, it's about laptop vendors that sell Intel manageement engine disabled via HAP, and that AMD chips don't have the backdoor.
The guy saying give up is being glib about the state of mass surveillance in general.

The key thing is in a court of law the spooks have to demonstrate their method for how they got your shit.

>what if they just kill me
Rarely happens despite pol memes, killing American citizens is largely anathema to alphabet agencies unless you're brown and out of county.

But that's all a tangent anyway: you use Linux to keep your data private from advertisers

>>106163833
Except you already know everything they show you.
Also because ads are shilling, they are a perversion of knowledge sharing. You can't refuse (if you do, (You) appear), and they're invasive, distracting, uncomfortable and visually disturbing.

>>106160842 (OP)
You can get one without Intel ME. Security researchers haven't found anything that suggests that there are backdoors in it.

>>106160842 (OP)
t. has a dozen fast food apps on his phone to get fifty cents off fries on the second Wednesday of the month.