I bought my midrange m2 ssd together with one and the sink really gets hot on load and cools nicely when there's airflow so it does its job.
I still see people use m2s without any sink on and wonder why

>>106163296 (OP)
Because temperature doesn't really matter.
>but muh 0923749823429387 gorillion GB per second controllers!
Yeah no shit that's the only part that needs cooling, cooling the flash itself can drastically reduce the lifetime.

>>106163321
>cooling the flash itself can drastically reduce the lifetime
lul

>>106163296 (OP)
>Why is using heatsinks on SSDs still relatively uncommon?
because outside of running benchmarks or actual server use you don't need a heatsink for the workload you're going to subject the thing to

>>106163321
>>106163402
There is still a point to this even if you are not a power user.
Those sinks easily reduce the temps by 30% and more. If the main heat producers get cooled down, it means the entire ssd pcb doesn't heat up as much and there are tons of really flimsy capacitors on those boards.
Those capacitors LOVE to fail early on if they get cooked too long at elevated temperatures and as you can easily tell by customer reports everywhere those normal operation temps without any cooling are sufficient to fuck those caps.

>>106163296 (OP)
I have 2 2TB NVMe I wish I had purchased with heatsinks, but instead I am contemplating a custom made pair using an old heatsink from an old Dell chipset and some metal zipties I have. I also have some Artic TP-3 thermal pad I will use. I hope I don't screw it up.

>>106163296 (OP)
Because SSDs are SUPPOSSED to run hot. Cooling them is ironically bad. Maybe if they're going above like 80C but if you need to hammer them that much so much maybe you should consider using a RAM drive instead.

>>106163382
SSDs use electron charge traps. As in they FORCE electrons into countless silicon concentration camps against their will. If it's too cold they'll move too slow and you won't be able to get as many electrons inside which hurts data retention.

>>106164074
You reminded me of this:
lol good times

it varies on the ssd. if it needs a heatsink then it will likely already include one. you dont even need a heatsink, just good airflow like a pc case.

In my case the heatsink I got for mine saved my fucking ass because Samshit fucked up the firmware of the 980 series and made my non-pro run hot like a motherfuck (84°C with sink on).
I only learned about the issue when I was greeted by a "ssd about to fail" message when I booted my PC one day after installing the damn thing.
Applied the firmware update and now it's staying below 40°C but yeah after all this I was glad I had the heat sink on.

>>106164074
>If it's too cold they'll move too slow and you won't be able to get as many electrons inside which hurts data retention.
Interesting tidbit from the bowels of a DC
There are something like 700k servers that could be kill if their SSDs are strained too much. The running theory is the SSDs are too hot, the controllers are fine but there is no reporting of NAND temperatures and too hot NAND may be the reason they are killing themselves.

>>106164074
>Because SSDs are SUPPOSSED to run hot
Only to a degree, and its not 80C, its 40-50C for optimal temp. If your SSD is hitting higher, heatsink is necessary. And you also dont want the delta between idle and usage to be high either as that would crease issues of its own, so you want stable temp as much as possible and under 50C

>>106163296 (OP)
it will die after 2 years anyway, regardless of heatsink or not, they are literal snake oil

>>106163296 (OP)
Most motherboards come with built in heatsinks now. They have, for awhile actually.

>>106164706
>it will die after 2 years anyway
yeah just consume and stop asking questions

>>106164718
>Most motherboards come with built in heatsinks now.
>Most

>>106164718
For one of the slots, maybe. Pointless anyway. Worse storage medium, prone to dying when you change mobos, just wasteful overall.

>>106164220
this has to be bait, SSDs can store data without power

>>106166020
It comes from a time when fun was allowed on /g/
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/13530129/#13530397

>>106163296 (OP)
Most people probably don't really push 'em hard enough for them to get particularly hot.

>>106163296 (OP)
Is it?
Don't most motherboards come with integrated heatsinks for SSD's?

Unless you meant 3rd party heatsinks but those don't offer much benefits over the motherboard heatsinks.

>>106164074
>SSDs are SUPPOSSED to run hot.
The heatsinks are mostly for the controllers.
NVMe controllers get hot quick and start to thermalthrottle within seconds without a heatsink.

And it's not like a heatsink will freeze an SSD.
It's still going to be well above ambient just a more stable temperature.

>>106163296 (OP)
Because SSDs need to be somewhat hot to work efficiently, and you should only try to add a heatsink or thermal pad to the controller, not the chips.

>>106166020
Not for extended periods of time.

>>106164220
>Quietness
I could never understand people who take this into account when building a PC

>>106163296 (OP)
most mobos come with m2 heatskins as part of the mobo itself...?

the high end drives need a heatsink since they're well...high end. performance aint free, it costs energy.

>>106165990
I wonder if this is cope for never being able to afford one.

>>106166020
>this has to be bait
Why so insecure, newfriend?

>>106166020
Shit bro, you only got 1 int.
Pack up that computer your on, discharge the capacitors. Come back to it in 5, 10 years time. Remove the drive and have a look at your 2025 memes in the fiery hot citadel in 2035.
You'll find that your data, no longer remains.

>>106166700
and energy wants to propagate everywhere, thus, heat

>>106163296 (OP)
Because my stupid laptop doesn't support one. Most people would rather use a laptop

>>106166700
Amazing to think a HGST is cooler and has more longevity in it than a high end SSD, but that's where we are.
One questions if the issue is perhaps the form factor of NVME. That in the interest of having a drive that can be used everywhere, that controller cooling became an issue.

There could even be hybrid bastardisations that hotbox aspects of it. Maybe heatpipes from the controller could be one solution; though at that point the benefits of size are completely lost to a 3.5" drive.

>>106168922
>Most people
Most people are morans.

>>106168955
SATA SSD is just a tiny chip tugged inside a hollow shield.
The SATA3 speed bottleneck is only thing that keeps the SSD from overheating.

>>106166687
It might have been a joke about HDD clicking before they died, but it was 15 years ago.

>>106166687
>>106169919
Ive talked to anons on this board in the past who were obsessed with having a 100% silent computer. Sadly more common than you think.

gen 5 are the only ones that get hot enough for it to make a difference, give it another half gen or so
my samshit whatever the fuck gets noticeably warm when its hitting 13+ GB/s

>>106169919
>>106170276
I get it if you do anything related to audio, but I swear to god, even with 2 7200RPM drives and fans ramped up to 100%, I stop hearing my PC the moment I put headphones on, even with nothing playing.

>>106169080
I mean a 2.5 or 3.5" form factor can be sought or something even larger that's better for cooling than this.
It was less focused on SATA. Remember, that only mentioned 3.5". PATA/ IDE existed before too you sperm.

You can keep those form factors, use a new interface.
Hell, right now NVME leeches lanes and it's all based off the pretence that it must be close to the CPU.
Truth is, it's just a lazy form factor and a lazy storage method.

>>106170276
I keep my computer in another room so it's not really a problem, I bought a shitbox HP and that thing has a proprietary CPU mounting system and a shitbox ATX PSU (without a real atx connector).
I'll likely replace the PSU in a few months time with something silent when I can be bothered to get an adapter. It really depends on what type of noise it is. Some HDD noise can be tolerable, some fan noise can be tolerable, vibrations can augment, something as quiet as coil whine can be a cunt because of the frequency.