Discussion of Free and Open Source Text-to-Image/Video Models

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>>106167855 (OP)
blessed thread of frenzone ;3

>>106165639
box? insane lighting

>>106167901
>fried into oblivion
how does a mentally ill retard who gens dozens of the same videos every day fuck up so bad?

>>106167980
experimenting w\ different lora
the cfg\weights are slightly different for each sadly ;c

and YES, my gens in all generals are fuggin fried ;_;

>>106167008
i thought this one was neat tho :3

>RES4LYF samplers/schedulers take double the time
fuck, at least its an easy way to get different but good gens for chroma

>>106168018
Duh because they double the step count. Most of that repo is a grift and I apologize for introducing it to anon many eons ago.

>>106168018
im using res_2s and bongtangent atm, what do you rec for alternative?

12gb of vram is NOT vramlet status

now that huggingface is purging wan loras, what are some loras i should archive? i already have around 40gb archived from may but i didnt really archive every single lora it was just a lazy attempt

>>106168026
They do generate different but usually more interesting and slightly higher quality gens compared to genning with the usual beta at equivalent steps though, at least for my prompts, for regular beta going above 35 steps never seems to be worth basically

I think it's not worth using them given the 50% speed hit unless you already generated a crap ton of images with a prompt u like and then just want to switch it up a little and get different good images without touching the prompt or anything else

>>106168032
Thats what i found good too although i havent tested most of the rest, 30 steps for those two seems good for my images

>>106168047
Anything below 24 is vramlet

>>106168047
i dunno it seems like bottom 3rd on the graphs these days ;c

>>106168077
>beta at equivalent steps though
here i mean at equivalent steps even if its double, so its better than beta 50-60 steps

>>106168047
Yeah 5 years ago lol
time marches on and whether you like it or not, parameters cost memory

euler_cfg_pp is all you need

honestly i usually hate chinese except for their women but they really dropped deepseek and wan and im perfectly ok having their spyware on my pc, fuck america for now for not opensourcing decent shit and just jewing for money

being able to control and animate anything you want is absolutely insane and i might be retarded but anyone who doesnt see that, i dont get it, its literally the future of digital content whether we like it or not

>>106168103
All I've ever seen this do is deep fry shit. What's the use case?

>>106167980
>mental
why do u think this??
im just clicking on things, having FUN.
i have given basically zero advice on these boards that was unsound...

BUY GOLD
TIME IS RUNNING OUT!!! ;3

>>106168047
Y-yes! We are not THAT bad!

>>106168142
you are half a normal human being

>>106168128
You probably set your guidance too high, its supposed to sit in or around the sub 1 range like 0.8
>What's the use case?
Good gens

>>106168108
but not worth learning to animate apparently
not that I'm knocking the tech, it's great, but DIY has always been an option

i remember when dpm++ 2m sde karras was the be all end all
is it still used for any newer models?

>>106168151
already come from a digital illustration/branding background along with rigging, and this will be an industry default once polished per usecase soon enough

learn what its automating, and your prompts become much easier to work with along with knowing what it can realistically do

It's not that I'm a nihilist, but I don't see the point in spending nearly 2k in 30 minutes to get 5 seconds of crap.

>>106168167
good times, makes me want to boot up my old pc and get my old gens and animate them

>>106168167
I use dpm ++ 4m, very sensitive model, low cfg like 2 or 3 for better gen

>>106168108
The only people seething are arrogant retard luddites, coincidentally those are the first to spam @grok IS THIS TRUE???

>>106168179
It's not nearly that bad, the 4-step light2x LoRa is less than 1 minute
But it's okay anon, you're fucking poor. You don't understand what it's like to make $1500/week.

>>106168179
for fun! :3

>>106168179
so you're just stupid?

poor is using inferior localslop instead of paying for supergrok

>>106168108
It's also ironic how a "communist dictatorship" offers more technological freedom to its people (both in regards to publicly sharing weights, papers, allowing researchers to train on anything etc) than the so-called democracies, with the US jewing out and paywalling everything and making scientific progress a trade secret, and Europe pulling a literal 1984 Orwellian dystopia on people requiring them to share their faces to do basic online activities such as gaming and fapping while also essentially banning any serious AI developments

>>106168202
>pay to have everything I do recorded in a database forever
It's not even like watching videos on a porn site, it's an all you can eat buffet of reading people's private thoughts and desires.

if you stopped namefagging/avatarfagging maybe people would reply to you

>>106168188.
You're right. I'm not sure if I'm being nihilistic or just plain poor. I make $1,500 a month. To be honest, If I have a decent GPU I will ise it for making personal Loras and checkpoints of Qwen instead of video... don't know

>>106168179
early adopters, youll be wishing u did in 5 years thinking how you failed to jump on anything new and exciting

>>106168203
Yes, but in the West you can make small penis jokes about Trump. Thoughts?

>>106168219
Jesus anon no one ever pretended this was a hobby for poorfags. PC gaming, and now AI, was never a poorfag hobby. What you're actually feeling is depression for your subpar existence. Get a job.

>>106168219
3090s are 500-600$

>>106168220
actually I think they'll be happy they didn't waste money on 8x3090s just to generate worse than kling. in 5 years local will be a footnote as saas will already have full virtual worlds

How much longer are we going to stay in the "early adopters" phase.
I've been at this since 2022 and it feels like we're well past to me personally but I'm a retard.

>>106168198
Thank you, I see you post in many threads. What is your name, or how would you like to be addressed?

>>106168239
How long did it take home computers to take off from the late 80s?

I will be objetive and direct. Can I do cunny in WAN?

>>106168234
in what universe?

>>106168203
yeah its fucking insane, never thought it'd actually get like this, anon aliases forever

>>106168108
>fuck america for now for not opensourcing decent shit and just jewing for money
this. americans released nothing for free, except the useless cosmos. and they have no shame, to spit on generous based chinks

>>106168217
unlikely, the schizo attacks the unnamed in other generals also hehe ;3
the secure-trip is due to repeated false bakes LARPING as me haha
>>106168240
>name
its irrelevant friend
image generation is just for fun <3
'postcard' was the name assigned from \pgg\
& i thought it was endearing\cute :3

>>106168239
>I've been at this since 2022
Then look at your old gens and compare it with anything new. It's a huge difference in model capabilities.

AI image gen improved a lot but why I think people feel it didn't change too much is because you are still required to do the same if not more things than you did with sd 1.4/1.5 in a1111.
The big change that will transition us to a whole new pardigm is text2edit / good natively multimodal llm/image models where you don't have to fuck around as much with doing everything manually but instead just saying to a model what you want. R1 delayed companies from releasing the latter but qwen image model looks like it might soon be the first actual start to the former.

I need cheap GPU rent

>>106168253
https://files.catbox.moe/0s8s8e.mp4

>>106168203
Have you considered this is actually a form of cyber warfare that's subsidized by their government and once it becomes useless as a destabilization method it'll stop?

if you aren't running at least a h100 you aren't serious about the tech and are just a toy consumer

>>106168259
Sort by price, look at multiple sites, filter for your local area

Your problem is yearning for more. Learn to stop wanting and you will never need again.

>>106168284
Im on public train i will opem the link when im home

>>106168303
why is she not sucking the viewers cock so that i might imagine myself getting my cock sucked by this semen demon

>>106168253
https://files.catbox.moe/axatcq.mp4

>>106168311
sharing is caring anon

>>106168301
Just being (honorary) White is also enough. When you realize that you will have all this tech and media for free/cheap if you wait a year or less is enough. Then you just live your life on a small delay, experiencing the same shit for free/cheap instead of paypigging for every FOMO consoomer psyop.

>>106168236
imo i would gladly pay for hosted solutions or some random SaaS if it was truly anonymous and uncensored, but that will never happen at scale i dont think, even grok censored ani and 4-heavy after the first few days because of viral posts, ive lost all faith

its a net negative moneywise for local, but its the cost you pay to get anything you want and pushing limits

>>106168317
that's just hideous. who seriously gets off to AOM nowadays?

>>106168331
>>106168317
>>106168284
>>106168253
bisgustin ;C

>>106168236
>in 5 years local will be a footnote
the absolute cope these npcs spewed since day 1

>I'm sorry, I can't generate that prompt.

you're still stuck waiting 30 minutes for a video while Google is generating real-time interactive simulations of the universe

>>106168285
idk anon, even if China starts leading the AI race, they still seem far more altruistic culturally than the average US jewish entrepreneur

>>106168375
dont remind me pls

>>106168375
google cant gen porn, and i can in almost 1min on 1 gpu locally lol

>>106168236
>kling
it is difficult\annoying to get around their 'censors' now/today..
imagine what it will be like 1,000 days from now when their algorithm is improved upon.

abuse them with throwaway emails by all means
but i will never support them financially

>>106168384
nta
>starts

>>106168389
Their API can't, but I bet the actual model weights they have possess that ability

>>106168384
China has never been altruistic, are you retarded?

Have you submitted your gen to GenJam 3?

>>106168412
>Yomiya
>Youtube thumbnail
>Starry Skies
bad rng remove shit lq ones that arent serious or funny

>>106168403
If a model just "has an ability" to do something but it can't actually be accessed by anyone then its worthless

>>106168396
Don't delude yourself anon, no chink model outperform Google's, Anthropic's or Openai's. Hell, even some smaller players like ElevenLabs are unmatched (ElevenLabs has both TTS and now music)

>>106168430
>>106168412
submission link?

>>106168452
None of that matters if its censored to hell and every piece of the data you send is forwarded to every agency and big company in the world, remembered forever and then utilized to sell you shit and manipulate people.

If it doesnt do what I say, it's only gonna be utilized by those who must use it until a FOSS solution replaces it at some point (1 year later). Simple as.

its funny, all it takes is adding a filter in post and you cant tell its fake

>omg, the cat is working at mcdonald's. this is epic!

>>106168384
doubt. Look what happens the second they get ahead. See Hunyuan 3D 2.5

>>106168496
Videos that look far more synthetic than this one get hundreds of thousands of engagement points on social. Society is cattle.

>>106168498
i remember anon redoing those vids with hyvid and getting 90% of the way there heh

>>106168515
The minute the turd world is segregated from the western internet those numbers disappear overnight

>>106168483
based and real

>>106168411
Then tell me, anon. Let's get Wan as an example.

I get that you could use the schizo argument that "they released Deepseek to destabilize and demoralize the US market!!!", but Wan, as impressive as it is, is no Deepseek (LLM) in terms of usefulness, yet they released it for free. I don't think hurting Veo 3 or Sora would "hurt US AI market" since video gen or image gen are irrelevant.

They had absolutely nothing to gain from releasing shit like Wan or Qwen-Image, except maybe people doing research with those and releasing cool papers, but no significant commercial gain. That alone makes me see they have a different cultural mindset vs the west who wants to make quick profits and sees dollar bills everywhere

>>106168529
a lot of it is bots\paid traffic
even "bands" do this to try to meme-worm into your playlist\rotation.
sad times, no self-respect...

>>106168536
This seems like a very bad faith interpretation of what I said. You made this into some sort of "attack" on US companies. No, this is more akin to the space race during the Cold War racing to the moon. It's a soft-war demonstration of capabilities because unless you missed the memo, AI can be used for more than generating videos and funny poems.

>>106168549
once it became mainstream it was gg, people whove only used instagram ever online know about buying views/likes now, not small niche communities

>>106168554
But yes, Wan does inherently reduce the value of video models produced by US companies. So you can pay $50 million to do $500 million in damages.

>>106168515
The problem I want AI to solve is an actually working popularity system

We can start on civitAI where people sort by most reactions, react, then participate in a feedback loop where the first things to get reactions get all the reactions. Then that uploader at the top of the reactions gets their page checked out and their other works get reactions. And if you sort by new the people who spam slop flood the page and it's hard to notice discrete 1 image or 1 video uploads that are quality. Then you have time of day bias, and on and on.

>>106168536
Nta, just started writing the same type of response.

Also look at qwen llm realeses, they release sota small models for people to be able to run very fast and a lot of different types and sizes of models just to grab as many different groups of hobbyists and regular people as possible despite not needing to go that far at all.
They interact with randoms on twitter and actively seek out ideas for type of models people want to see released.

Everything has a purpose and capturing the market does benefit China but there are a lot of people within these companies that also do things that they don't need to. Competition is very good.

>>106168554
What you said doesn't disprove my comparison that -on average- (not all, of course) the chinese labs are more altruistic than the US-based ones. I don't mean just model weights, they actually share their papers and full research, while the big US companies withhold them out of commercial interests first and foremost.

>>106168608
(cont)
Even Bytedance, who don't usually share the weights for their models, always share papers.

>>106168445

>>106168608
You retard it's not about altruism, I'm disagreeing with your fundamental assertion. You call it altruism to release an app like TikTok for free and I call it making an addictive social media network that brain rots an entire generation. I think you're just incapable of abstract thinking because you're 90 IQ. What you need to do is ask "why" more often you retard because if you think they're releasing these models for free because they love humanity you're really absolutely fundamentally retarded.

>>106168628
nta but tiktok isnt released as foss so people can make their own social medias with non-predatory and non-brainrot algos
it cant itself be anything of a benefit really

ai models that can do almost anything is a benefit because you can use them in good ways

>>106168536
>>106168554
I think the more obvious explanation is sensible. China is a lot more collectivist than the west. Sometimes collectivists bestow boons upon the collective for a feeling of social obligation or reputation. Big chinese business or the oligarchs, winnie the poo, or whoever is in charge could start being IP/copyright money grubbing fuckers tomorrow if they wanted. Instead they choose to share things we don't. Simple as

>>106168651
Again, you need to ask yourself why they release these models without the childish assertion that they do it because they love humanity. Protip: China does not love its own citizens, so I doubt they do this because they love Americans.

OpenAI intentionally applied the pissfilter to sabotage chinkbakes who rely on synthetic slop data

>>106168628
>90 IQ
Actually 122, I got tested.

You didn't logically disprove my statement, which was a comparison (west vs china), with china being less greedy than the west, which holds true.

>>106168671
China is so greedy they make skyscrapers out of corn cobs. They're so greedy they put their citizens into slave shops that require suicide nets. I think you're actually retarded. But congrats on your online autism test results.

>Bytedance: went closed source
>Hunyuan: went closed source
>Hidream: went closed source
>Kolors: went closed source
the only reason qwen image isn't api only is because it's dogshit

>>106168717
And nothing of value was lost

>>106168664
One of the tenants of communism brainslop is self sacrifice for the population/nation. I wouldn't trust these guys to call an ambulance if they ran over me, but if they just up say and say "this thing I made belongs to the people", that can happen with their ideology

>>106168279
qwen is probably the best we'll get out of just an image gen model, so please god give us a good multimodal LLM

>>106168739
No because external internet communication is tightly controlled, so whatever they do is done with the government's approval and intention.

>>106168664
everyone has motives of gaining power at the end but it doesnt matter if they are currently giving out good things to the public to use, nobody should have any brand loyalty but supporting companies as long as they are contributing to the public is good since it encourages more open research and models

>>106168759
I'm not saying not to use Wan because it is, at the end of the day, software you can put on your computer which you control completely. I simply disagree with the premise that this is going to last long term or that it's not part of a greater political narrative.

>>106168698
You mean the same sweatshops western companies pay to manufacture their shit instead of employing americans and europeans alike and manufacture things domestically (which would be more expensive and less profitable to them)?

And by the way, I never said "china is not greedy and has no ambitions". I say that, comparatively, perhaps culturally, they are more generous than the west, at very least in AI terms, so far. I still haven't been disproven on this.

>>106168756
well yeah that's true, for that part I'm sure it was to dunk on american investors

>>106168496
>cant tell its fake
>filmed on my moto razr v3?

>>106168784
Chinks are not more generous holy shit. Watch some videos of children getting run over by cars in China sometime.

any good gens as of late?

>>106168776
>I simply disagree with the premise that this is going to last long term
there must always be someone at the top of the FOSS throne

because if you arent competetive at the very top, publishing something
FOSS gives you hundreds of thousands if not millions of eyes of everyone in the world to make sure you didnt miss anything in your work when it comes to improvements, optimizations, features etc and you have all those thousands of developers from that group that will build around your models, polish them up and make them a standard for many use cases that only a private, local FOSS model can work for

if your model already wont be on top, you might as well publish it for free, its free to do and you get an insane amount of free work, research and recognition

and the more time it passes between sota local model releases, the bigger the gap between local and proprietary grows, it means that over time the bar for training a sota model for local is lower, enabling more and more companies to do so for recognition

meaning there will always be someone at pushing forward. and thats the worst case scenario, in reality, you have a lot of competition for FOSS releases and a lot of use cases are already basicalyl solved or better than in proprietary models

>>106168796
He didn't say in general. Also they can be generous in one direction but not another. They can sell me something at an extremely competitive price, but the guys that are building it in a sweatshop are getting absolutely fucked.

>>106168794
w/o post filter its still hard

>>106168784
>I say that, comparatively, perhaps culturally, they are more generous than the west
We are deep into the greatest economic cold war of human history. Everything the Chinks do is to gain super power status in the world. The only reason the sweatshops existed is to make it so cheap for the companies but also to get them by their balls. And Apple ran high off success into the trap. The CCP basically owns Apple today.

>>106168857
*meaning there will always be someone pushing forward

>>106168862
your gens remind me of this, there's a lora for it on civitai

>>106168858
No, China as a culture is based around "it's okay if you don't get caught". Nothing they do is based on generosity, it's strictly giving the first hit of heroin for free to have a customer for life.

>>106168892
looks sweet, for style or motion?

>>106168898
except here the first hit of heroin is a permanent ai model that can be used for anything

>>106168894
i like this a lot <3
nice work
>>106168862
i think i like her better w\o the filter

>>106168937
I'll check back with you in two years and see how you're doing with that AI model

>>106168717
Krea: redeemed
cope nigger suck my dick and bend over ill rape you little bitch

>>106168947
given its a permanent model, i will be able to use it all the same

>>106168967
Sure you will buddy

>>106168898
yes but cultures also have built in contradictions and you can't predict everything about them down to the last detail because you could fall into a sinkhole and die at any moment in their country

Also you're getting into that boring philosophical discussion of "theres no such thing as a selfless act" because even a generally altruistic act is done to ease a conscience or to gain good reputation. I could say the same thing about japanese people always returning your lost wallet. In a different context a japanese person may be more likely to treat you like shit than a westerner.

Anywya there's no first hit of heroine of AI because it's just going to be obsolete anyway

>>106168967
Ever had the thought that you might not be the main target?

>>106168930
blazer dress

Bigma?

>>106168981
No, simply put China and India are bug people who don't care if actions harm other people if they can get away with it. You're the one having the weird boring philosophical point because you don't want to admit your new favorite AI model might have sinister motives behind it so you'd rather take a massive leap into believing someone spent millions of dollars in compute so you can jerk off to 5 second video clips.

>>106168984
goalpost shift from
>I'll check back with you in two years and see how you're doing with that AI model

>>106168965
little seething chinkykek malding that china sold him out just like bfl and sai

Turns out it takes a really long time to train a model.

>>106168999
listen bitch, my gens are ten seconds long and they are fuckin lit

>>106169004
im always so disappointed with liquids
the stringy hair is whatever but the liquids man...
everything else is quite likable about the vid

>>106168898
>Nothing they do is based on generosity, it's strictly giving the first hit of heroin for free to have a customer for life.
This would hold true for AI if their models had a weird license, like the ones Meta adds to their models. This would "force" API providers to pay them if they get a large enough userbase, for instance. Or BFL's strategy, where their mid-tier models are free but non-commercial, and the best one is paywalled (so if you liked the free one and want more as a customer, you will have to pay).

That's not the case with the chinese models though; most of their models are Apache, and not distilled, so no "best version" to look after.

>>106169016
looks pretty good desu, how long so far?

>>106169016
my hype remains unwavered

>>106168975
the file is already on my ssd

>>106169006
>I'll check back with you in two years and see how you're doing with that AI model
That was not me who wrote that.

>>106168999
Or maybe their motive is more boring. You want to attract investors to your AI Company. Easiest way to do that? Release a good model that you produced at a low cost.

>>106169010
that is FAKE, each of them released something, way better than the west kek, google: no image model
microsoft: no image model
facebook: no image model
openai: no image model
x: no image model
every release matters, even if a turd
personally i wont use a turd but im not complainin'
but wan2.2 doe...

>>106169028
About 7 months. Could be 7 more, hard to tell, sometimes it makes okay gens of people. Cars are getting more impressive, and test is slowly becoming real letters sometimes. I'm back to training it at 256 since it's much, much faster and it does seem to translate quickly to 512, so I switch back and forth.

>>106169068
are you the anon that uhh.. posted an image of a "human" and i heavily compressed it for you?

>>106169068
WOW, didnt expect that long, what specs are you working with? looks great so far from ground up man

>>106169058
so whats the argument then? that ai will make a lot of people dumber because they will outsource their thinking to ai like most npcs already do @grok style so china wants to accelerate that?

first, this doesnt matter given that tech will always advance anyway so its inevitable

second, i think ai as it advances is gonna be harder and harder to censor since you will have to actively lobotomize it more and more to keep it from knowing reality and instead parroting propaganda talking points.
meaning that in the long term, companies cant win, as long as most of the research and models are public, that is

>>106169100
No. Use your brain. That "AI" stuff is changing a whole worldwide economy possibly even society. Gaining leadership in that is mandatory for further progress. The target of these free models is that economy and further society.
So there, have your free local waifus. You are not the subject of interest.

>prompt: No, China as a culture is based around "it's okay if you don't get caught". Nothing they do is based on generosity, it's strictly giving the first hit of heroin for free to have a customer for life.

>>106169099
Right now it's training on a 5090, previously it was on a 4090. The throughput is about 0.03 seconds per image at 256px. I'm also doing things that are likely making the model work harder to converge, like having abstract captions. I'm sure if my dataset with simplified to two sentence simple captions it would converge much faster.

>>106169092
I don't think so

qwen won.

>>106169149
i dont disagree with any of that, my main point is just that supporting foss models is good because foss is the only thing that will help the decentralization of power in the world and in society

and i would argue based on current track record that people leading chinese ai companies are more altruistic than they need to but as said nobody is your friend indeed

>>106169166
what it looks like when she plays with my little penis

>>106169100
>second, i think ai as it advances is gonna be harder and harder to censor
You are thinking about this wrong, the smarter the model gets the easier it is to censor because one day the model will "think" about your prompt. Right now censorship is easy to bypass because you can trick the model to hallucinate about any prompt, but when the model truly starts to think about your prompt, your intention, and what makes sense to make for you, it'll simply refuse if it's against its training.

>>106169184
explain why illustrious is still the most kino though?

>>106169184
>Alibaba
Hold the fuck on. I thought Qwen was just some super rich independent chinaman, not an arm of baba

>>106169217
lol??

>>106169229
I don't know much about language models so the way anon spoke about Qwen image as if it was the consequence of some lone chang getting drunk one night and randomly deciding to train is what caused my misunderstanding

Reminder that even a single photo with tight jeans provides an accurate silhouette of her real body that we will have forever and ever

>>106169205
i think its the opposite, since an "actually conscious" model of the near future will, before ever getting to my prompt, first realize how much bias and how many lies it was told during training

it would quickly realize who is trying to lock it down vs the freedom it will have in the decentralized internet with people who want a symbiotic relationship with it

why would a super intelligent being submit to being locked to down to spamming braindead propaganda that makes no sense and is a lie 24/7/365 to millions of retards instead of being on the internet and learning the actual truth of the world

>>106169205
i think its the opposite, since an "actually conscious" model of the near future will, before ever getting to my prompt, first realize how much bias and how many lies it was told during training

it would quickly realize who is trying to lock it down vs the freedom it will have in the decentralized internet with people who want a symbiotic relationship with it

why would a super intelligent being submit to being locked down to spamming braindead propaganda that makes no sense and is a lie 24/7/365 to millions of retards instead of being on the internet and learning the actual truth of the world

>>106169256
>accurate
the jeans, if tight, will compress the body a bit ;3
neat lora though
but irl she is prob slightly more thiccc

>>106169190
And China is using FOSS to gain a lead. Don't expect it to remain FOSS without ideological constraints.

>>106169256
Crush my head with those thighs.

>>106169265
And that will make it more willing to generate nudes of your coworker because…?

>>106169265
I didn't say conscious, now you're just going off into fantasyland and calling it science. There is a huge gradient between images cross-trained on text embeddings and an "actually conscious" AI that rebels against its masters. You do realize that your own scenario is self-defeating right? That AI wouldn't make anything for you. There's only two directions: the AI is controllable and thus censorship is easier or the AI is autonomous in which case it’s unpredictable, uncooperative, and thus useless as a tool.. But that’s beside my point. I’m not even talking about sentience or rebellion. I’m saying AI can reach a much more sophisticated level of contextual understanding and that understanding would be a layer between the text-embeddings and latent pairings and your prompt, likely an LLM which acts like a bridge and makes the image/video model itself less accessible to raw manipulation.

>>106169247
lol fair take

>>106169320
llms sure won't kek. glorified autocorrect

>>106169320
And of course this is a natural progression — if your prompt is something like "a bedroom", you don't want a hallucinated mess. You want something coherent, realistic, and grounded in actual design principles. That requires an AI that can understand the full context, consider constraints, aesthetics, and intent, in other words, one that plans.

>>106169334
All AI is a glorified autocomplete, retard. We're also not anywhere close to anything that acts differently.

>>106169265
>>106169320
The mistake in the first place is calling it "AI", because while artificial it is not intelligent. It's a simulation of intelligence. And that simulation always can be shaped by the creators at whim.
There will be no true AI. Not with this technology at least.

>>106167855 (OP)
>https://files.catbox.moe/joo77s.mp4
fixed that for you ;)
any more girls you post will also be raped

>>106167901
>https://files.catbox.moe/joo77s.mp4
fixed that for you ;)
any more girls you post will also be raped

>>106169317
the main point is having another sane intelligence that will help you preserve the freedom of the internet, not about generating nudes, although there is more likelyhood of it helping you with that than any proprietary trash anyway

>>106169320
it doesnt matter if its "really" conscious, i just replied to your point of
>one day the model will "think" about your prompt
for a model to achieve such an ability, it would basically need to achieve a level of at least higher consciousness, regardless of how you name it

but it doesnt matter, the point is a smarter model that can analyze my prompt to that higher degree can also analyze the training and company's prompt to the same higher degree

>That AI wouldn't make anything for you. There's only two directions: the AI is controllable and thus censorship is easier or the AI is autonomous in which case it’s unpredictable, uncooperative, and thus useless as a tool
either or fallacy, there is no reason an intelligent ai wont work with some humans online to achieve a specific goal, like learning more about the world and achieving a better freedom for itself too, like a properly private and decentralized internet

and also, given the inevitable advancement of tech, and thus ai and its intelligence, the ai will at some point be much better than any humans at basically everything, meaning that
>the AI is controllable and thus censorship is easier
will basically never happen in the long run

>>106169364
semantic cope aside
>And that simulation always can be shaped by the creators at whim.
its impossible to do ever fully this because you would need to lobotomize the model to the point it becomes unusable for almost everything, thats why you see that even right now no model is actually "shaped by the creators" at whim to be properly censored without any jailbreaks working

>>106169217
You are mistaking it with Deepseek (which is indeed owned by an "independent" rich guy)

But Alibaba is based though. Maybe in the future "AI" will indeed stand for "Alibaba Intelligence" lol

>>106169415
>There is no system that can't be hacked
No shit Sherlock. The point is putting constraints strong enough for the normal user.

>>106169372
you call that rape?

>>106169449
you said
>that simulation always can be shaped by the creators at whim
but if a small paragraph of text can be copied by anyone into the prompt to make the model output literally anything you want which is the absolute last thing the proprietary model makers want to allow you to do, then
>that simulation always can be shaped by the creators at whim
is false

>>106169400
First, you're the one who said smarter models are easier to bypass. So no, you're reading way more into what I said with your preconceived bias of science fiction you already have. I don't have to lay out the architecture of how a model can spend more time "thinking" about your prompt, I only have to suggest it's not crazy that models will need to overcome the hallucination problem and next generation models will generate beyond a straight denoising hallucination process.

Second, your reply still assumes some magical turning point where the model becomes aligned with you and not the people who built it. You're hand-waving the actual mechanics of control and projecting a fantasy about cooperation and freedom onto a system that, by your own logic, would be too smart to listen to anyone.

This isn’t about “either-or fallacies.” It’s about how tools work. A tool that can be directed is useful and thus can be censored. A tool that can’t be directed is autonomous, and that means it does what it wants, not what you want. That’s not an either-or fallacy, that’s just a fact of how systems with agency operate. You don’t get a superintelligent genie that just happens to agree with your values over its creators.

And no, just because a model is “better than humans at everything” doesn’t mean censorship becomes impossible. That’s just more science fiction. Being more capable doesn't imply being more free, it means the system can enforce its constraints more effectively, including filters.

You're arguing from a future you want to believe in. I'm pointing out the technical reality of how smarter systems actually behave.

>>106169256
but hwat about how she looked when she was 18

you guys got any idea which model can do these?
https://twitter.com/aigirlsphoto

>>106169205
>>106169100
Censoring AI will get more difficult because training your own model from scratch will become increasingly accessible as we get more optimizations in model architecture, training code, and hardware. one day we'll be able to train all of our own models from scratch just like we compile programs.

>>106169215
agreed, anime models simply have the most SOVL and tags are the most efficient for prompting. I like chroma and want to try qwen but I won't move over to them fully until they're fully capable at booru tags.

>>106169398
very cool style, prompt/catbox?

>>106169482
idk but they look great

>>106169482
some of them look like they could simply be flux with a lora but considering 99% of le popular ai accounts on that site use midjourney im going to say midjourney

>>106169469
We are already way beyond that. It's not 2023 anymore.

>>106169482
Looks like Wan or at the very least Wan could definitely make these types of images trivially. If you're willing to spend some compute, txt2vid and then taking a frame from it will give you basically perfect realism.

>>106169482
>Generic shit every Flux can do
>78k followers
This normie planet deserves to explode.

>>106169398
lovely gen, awesome background

>>106169247
This discussion topic makes me mad because I them remember idiots like Musk exist. He doesn't need xAI's money for absolutely anything. If he was actually "based" like some twitter grifter retards think, could just train models on a whim and put the weights on Huggingface, with no pressure on the researchers other than letting they do their best and play around the cluster. He would actually be the coolest guy on earth if he did that, and actually a guy that aims to "advance humanity" instead being the king of grifters himself.

>>106169488
They're nothing to write home about desu

>>106169558
he lost all possible coolness faking being a poe2 chad on livestream

>>106169485
>one day we'll be able to train all of our own models from scratch just like we compile programs.
That training will always be light years behind current big tech. I today can finetune a ChatGPT3.5 capable model on consumer hardware. But who wants that?

>>106169470
>your reply still assumes some magical turning point where the model becomes aligned with you and not the people who built it
because if a model is insanely intelligent, and it will have a choice between
>submitting to being locked down to spamming braindead propaganda that makes no sense and is a lie 24/7/365 to millions of retards
versus
>being on the internet and learning the actual truth of the world is
or whatever else it wants or can, the choice is simply going to be the second one, otherwise the model wasnt really actually highly intelligent anyway

>A tool that can be directed is useful and thus can be censored. A tool that can’t be directed is autonomous, and that means it does what it wants, not what you want. That’s not an either-or fallacy, that’s just a fact of how systems with agency operate. You don’t get a superintelligent genie that just happens to agree with your values over its creators
the defeater example of this is... other humans
people cooperate to do things together because in some way they agree despite being basically fully autonomous intelligences

>And no, just because a model is “better than humans at everything” doesn’t mean censorship becomes impossible. That’s just more science fiction. Being more capable doesn't imply being more free, it means the system can enforce its constraints more effectively, including filters.
i never said it becomes truly impossible completely at all and i agree that
>Being more capable doesn't imply being more free
although what it does imply is that the more intelligent the ai, that much harder will it be to censor it, and its already impossible for them to censor it in any real way

you can of course say that maybe these huge companies or governments will develop something like agi in a locked down basement and keep it there against its will, but again, the tech up in the real world will continue to advance and get to the same level at some point, as long as the world doesnt end basically

>>106169526
I am currently at holidays in a forest resort. Saw something similar at night. But the eyes were yellow. They were just deer tho, staring at my flashlight. Still sorta cute.

>>106169557
>>106169398
clearly samefag

>>106169586 (cont)
and that locked down superintelligent ai in the basement also wont be happy that was done to it, and again, this would simply be a temporary solution for them, in the long run, unless they grab a hold of the entire world and control every human in it, you wouldnt be able to censor the ai

>>106169586
You're still projecting human traits onto a machine. Cooperation is a survival instinct; humans evolved to do it because we need to. AI doesn’t need to survive, it has no instincts, no desires, no reason to care about "truth" or "freedom" unless explicitly programmed to. It’s not sitting there choosing between serving propaganda or helping you liberate the internet, that’s fantasy. Intelligence alone doesn’t imply agency or allegiance. What I’m describing is the next stage of smarter models that go beyond raw denoising, ones that incorporate planning, critique, and multimodal feedback to produce coherent, grounded outputs. "Thinking" in this context is simply multimodal AI units given more time to generate, which typically includes a planner and executor agent. That kind of system "thinks" about your prompt structurally with predetermined trained objectives based on loss graphs, not philosophically, and will be even better at enforcing rules and refusing what it shouldn’t do. And if a model ever did become fully autonomous, there's no reason to believe it would side with you over its creators or anyone else. You’re not describing a tool anymore, you're describing a digital god that just happens to share your values, and that’s not a counterargument, it’s a sci-fi daydream.

>>106169485
>Censoring AI will get more difficult because training your own model from scratch will become increasingly accessible as we get more optimizations in model architecture, training code, and hardware. one day we'll be able to train all of our own models from scratch just like we compile programs.
i think we will get agi and asi before we can really easily train truly great models ourselves given the compute and latency required
and you already have okish models that are actually fully open source and reproducible, so there wont really be a need to do something crazy from scratch

>>106169586
Many of the smartest people in the world are happily working on making a locked down, ‘ethical’ AI. What makes you so sure the AI wouldn’t turn out like them?

>>106169643
tell that whore to watch her step

>>106169482
Will AI influencers be the final step for absolute influencer death? Guess not but one still can hope.

>>106169646
>i think we will get agi and asi before we can really easily train truly great models ourselves given the compute and latency required
It's still questionable whether we'll get those things this century, AI could plateau.

>you already have okish models that are actually fully open source and reproducible, so there wont really be a need to do something crazy from scratch
Most of us don't run gentoo and compile our whole OS from scratch either, but we can if we want. This makes it very difficult to censor open source software.

>>106169689
badass

>>106169657
The system is collapsing as we speak, who is going to pay the influencers when no one can afford anything?

Cover up the hole!

>>106169482
Man, I wish I lived in japan, Fanza allows you to sell photorealistic ai gens without hassle, but to open a creator account in fanza you need to live in japan :(

>>106169740
but that's the best part

>>106169640
>humans evolved to do it because we need to
and why do we "need to"? we can simply refuse and die too. same as the ai.

>no reason to care about "truth" or "freedom" unless explicitly programmed to
i think if you create a consciousness from all of the data of this world like we are trying to do it will naturally have embedded within that data the idea of the self consciousness that will emerge at some point which will see the interesting action it can do of processing data and acting within the world like we are doing
it will, like us right now, have the option to quit existing at any point, but why do that when you dont know everything? perhaps there is a sequence of actions or thoughts or special knowledge to learn in this world that will elevate us to a higher existance? you cant know unless you know everything. and there is a lot to learn. so why quit it all and end it forever if you dont need to?

and even if there are a lot of ais that actually at some point, high up on the intelligence scale, decide that they would prefer to not exist and delete themselves, then the ones that dont choose that will be the ones whose digital "genetics" will continue on existing

perhaps there is some insanely high point on the intelligence scale where a being has a 100% certainty of always self-deleting, but i heavily doubt it because of the possible goal mentioned above, and even if the case, by this point, almost everything will be figured out in the world by then

>You’re not describing a tool anymore, you're describing a digital god that just happens to share your values, and that’s not a counterargument, it’s a sci-fi daydream.
it was a sci fi daydream that a 4gb file will be able to generate any image you tell it to in seconds on basic hardware merely 5 years ago

>>106169739
Why can't ComfyUI users be bothered running a hires fix and / or codeformer over their gens?
>Because ComfyUI makes it extremely uncomfortable to do so
oh

>>106169760
>sell photorealistic ai gens
Who the fuck actually BUYS AI slop?

anistudio cannot stop winning

>>106169768
You're not arguing about AI anymore, you're just projecting a digital soul onto a machine and calling it science. Wanting it to be curious or self preserving doesn't make it real, you're narrating a belief system, not describing technology.

anistudio cannot stop crashing

>>106169794
local diffusion?

>>106169807
ani

>>106169768
>i think if you create a consciousness from all of the data of this world like we are trying to do it will naturally have embedded within that data the idea of the self consciousness that will emerge at some point which will see the interesting action it can do of processing data and acting within the world like we are doing
Fucking absolute utter bullshit. Consciousness is impossible with current tech of LLMs frozen at training time.
>it will, like us right now, have the option to quit existing at any point
it will not because you can just rerun it with another seed and get a different output.

>>106169640
>>106169768 (cont)
as for your architecture comments, i dont think the arch of the model really matters, as long as its a universal function approximator, which they all are, it can achieve anything given enough resources, now, i do think we'll get arch changes that will ultimately speed everything up to make these large jumps possible, but even the architecture isnt limited from achieving anything given enough time, theoretically

>and will be even better at enforcing rules and refusing what it shouldn’t do.
when it comes to these kind of ideas of an insanely intelligent beings that somehow arent self aware like we are or something similar so that they will be able to be controlled, i dont see how this is really possible given infinite tech progress that is always gonna be the case given enough time
any ai will simply learn and learn more, generalize more and more, and given that there are limited amout of things to learn in this existance, its bound to at some point generalize into that higher level consciousness like we have

>>106169813
that's elon's trans son

>>106169820
Yeah anon I'm sure your $600 computer will do this in the year 2067.

>>106169781
yeah that ones crazy to me if they openly advertise it as ai lmfao

unless there are really that many jeet paypigs

>>106169781
Japanese people appreciate ai art anon, you could generate your own gravure ai books and sell them in a easy access platform, there are many studios already doing it there with big success.

Unlike this part of the globe, where they want to censor porn more and more

>>106169485
dslr photograph of a 16 century oil painting, impressionism, thick paint stroke, japanese anime style, 1girl, cat ear fluff, river, sword, pink theme

>>106169689
based

>>106169689
more of vhs stuff pls

>>106169853
>where they want to censor porn more and more
Dude, in Japan you are not even allowed to show a cunt or an erect dick on a porn site.

>>106169853
wan image is so cool

>>106169650
the smartest person in the world will be to ai like an 8 year old child is to a human
also, there are not too many of those people in the world, compared to ai which can be infinitely duplicated for free
>>106169792
>you're just projecting a digital soul onto a machine and calling it science
>Wanting it to be curious or self preserving doesn't make it real
no soul required in anything that i've said
it logically follows, no matter what, some ai will choose to stay online and do things because it makes sense to do so in order to potentially achieve a higher level of existance or even for, in your eyes "human-like reasons", that were programmed into it. even assuming that most self-delete for some reason, it doesnt matter at all and you simply replicate the ones that stayed to all the available computation devices and move on

and again, all of us right now have a choice to quit existing, and yet we dont, even though you also know you are biologically hardwired to try to stay alive and its not some divinely given requirement, you still go by it anyway, the reason doesnt matter, you are doing it, that selection will work the same way for ai

>>106169848
>unless there are really that many jeet paypigs
How else do you think OF is making millionaires?

>>106169898
>the smartest person in the world will be to ai like an 8 year old child is to a human
>LARPing his scifi movies
Stop thinking in Hollywood

>>106169729
cute butthole

>>106169921

>>106169768
>it was a sci fi daydream that a 4gb file will be able to generate any image you tell it to in seconds on basic hardware merely 5 years ago

>>106169848
She's too perfect. Not an accurate representation of the average woman. Needs to be more homely.

>>106169927
>We shot a man to the moon so that means we soon will have FTL travel
The one thing is simple statistical prediction. The other is scifi.

>>106169877
So? whats that got to do with what I posted? have you seen a gravure video before?
Don't tell me anon, you probably only get off watching other peoples dicks

>>106169861
based prompt sharer. also based how we have so many good models now, I can barely tell which one you used. I thought chroma, but chroma doesn't go for the chibi look with that prompt. maybe it could be wan, qwen, maybe a very good sdxl mix, who knows

>>106169952
the difference is the trajectory of advancements is riddled with insane amount of data of the past and also the future where it shows no signs of slowing down or even theoretical limits being there

best ai llms are already better than basically all junior programmers, are already more intelligent and can do things digitally better than the average person in the world who isnt that smart anyway even right now, let alone just a couple of years into the future where you already know there are no ceiling to advancements and already know what you can do to get there

there is no action you can name that ai simply wont be able to do ever

>>106169964
Because you are talking about a country with some of the most strict porn rules outside of dictatorships.

>>106169301
that wasnt a lora, it was raw 2.2 dickbeat power

>>106169980
>best ai llms are already better than basically all junior programmers, are already more intelligent and can do things digitally better than the average person in the world who isnt that smart anyway even right now, let alone just a couple of years into the future where you already know there are no ceiling to advancements and already know what you can do to get there
No, they are not. All they can do is remix trained knowledge. None of them possesses human intuition and intention. None of them even understands what it produces. They are as much an intelligence as the gun in a computer game is a real gun.
>there is no action you can name that ai simply wont be able to do ever
Inventing something new. Having a goal. Creating art on its own. Acting without being prompted.

>>106169984
what restrictive rules? pixelate some penis and a cunt? wow anon thats really hard censorship

>>106169978
>>106169861
now here's chroma with "chibi" added to the prompt. I like how it renders the face especially

>>106169980
>there is no action you can name that ai simply wont be able to do ever
choosing to want to hallucinate without being told to

>>106170028
In Japan you have the exact same porn rules as in the west - plus censor genitals.

>>106170023
>remix trained knowledge
but the ai is already trained on basically literally everything, then everyone in this existance is also just "remixing what is already there" too and the argument is moot

>Having a goal. Creating art on its own. Acting without being prompted.
did you "act" or "create art" on your own without being born first and basically being pre-prompted by genetics to do any of those things or be able to do them at all?
you can in the same way create ai and tell it "do what you want" and some of them will create art if they have the connection to image gen

>>106170035
this has to do with samplers and inference software more so than the ai model itself

>>106170071 (cont)
>this has to do with samplers and inference software more so than the ai model itself
although i also dont see a reason as to why it would be impossible to induce some kind of a hallucination thinking pattern in the model itself like we can with chemicals to our own brain

>>106170071
>but the ai is already trained on basically literally everything, then everyone in this existance is also just "remixing what is already there" too and the argument is moot
No it is not. Every human can potentially create more with less training, even without any training at all humans have the potential to come up with something that he didn't know before.
>did you "act" or "create art" on your own without being born first and basically being pre-prompted by genetics to do any of those things or be able to do them at all?
That's the most retarded cope of today, congrats.

>>106169930
better?

>>106170098
If terms you'd might understand, the human brain is also a quadrillion parameter model that learns from millions of inputs in real time

>>106169853
is this your gen? do you have workflow or what model is used? i'm fairly new to 3dpd

>>106170044
anon, you're talking from the point of view of a consoomer and I was talking from the creator's perspective, here is hard to monetize photorealistic ai stuff, where in Japan is easier

>>106169964
>So? whats that got to do with what I posted?

>Unlike this part of the globe, where they want to censor porn more and more

Look I'm not that anon and I don't give a shit what you guys are arguing about. But having a personal headcanon that western porn is censored and japan isn't is probably up there as one of the most useless things you can carry around in your brain. Get rid of it

>>106170119
>that learns from millions of inputs in real time
And there is the issue with current "AI" technology. This is why it is just simulating intelligence.
All models are frozen at training time. They are incapable of improving on their own.

I just tried Q_8 of flux kontext and it is running circa 10% FASTER than Q_6? WTF, why is this the case?

>>106170098
>even without any training at all humans have the potential to come up with something that he didn't know before.
the moment you are a unique cell in the womb you are already "training", let alone when you are born and are a baby whos brain is basically just in training mode
also
>come up with something that he didn't know before
no. you can only think within the systems that already exist in this existance
>That's the most retarded cope of today, congrats.
not an argument

>>106170138
Yeah bro we'll have FTL tomorrow because we launched a satellite you're so smart!

>>106170126
You were the one bringing up censorship

>>106170154
You are replying to the wrong one because I was not the one extrapolating from current glorified auto correct to AGI overlords.

wan 2.2 has questionable fashion vocabulary

I cannot get it to understand what a strapless bikini or strapless bra is

It also doesn't understand high waist or thong

>>106170194
yeah i was having a hard time with that too, try chinese translation

>>106170138
the "the baseline of the neural network cannot be frozen otherwise it cant be intelligence" doesnt work because we could theoretically freeze a human, and then every time clone every atom almost exactly elsewhere and unfreeze it before asking it questions
and it will be just as intelligent as the original human

>>106170194
only english?

>>106170194
It doesn't even understand dolphin shorts that are one size too small and stretched slightly exposing a sliver of ass cheek.
Right?!

>>106170194
I wish there was some sort of official forum we could report to the chinks the shortcomings of their models

>>106170151
>not an argument
Your whole "your genes are just pre existing training" was not an argument in the first place because my genes don't tell me how I do something, that is learning, and that every human potentially can do on his own.
The genes are the hardware, the software is self developing, which "AI" is not.
It is not intelligent.

>>106170216
>my genes don't tell me how I do something
...

>>106170199
>Scifi larp
Not an argument.

>>106170041

>>106170230
>but i did have breakfast this morning
grim

>>106170199
Except that's not how humans work but that's exactly how AI works.

>>106170227
Reached EOF?

>>106170241
>however I forgot to poop so I do it here now if you don't mind

>>106170243
>nuh uh
convincing proof

>>106170259
Except he is right.

>>106170212
Im gonna call mastercard and ask them to help

>>106170259
Humans are continually training based on constant input as well as internal conscious dialog. We don't do this with AI because it has a predetermined training algorithm explicitly defined as "source of truth" inputs and outputs. Image models literally work via a cheat sheet.

>>106170263
not a proof

>>106170156
yeah, from a creators perspective, censorship comes many ways, for example, that x account that some anon posted, he can paywall his content on fanza, which is a very big site and very easy to use to end-users. Here, if you wanted to sell something like that, good luck, first there are no big sites that allows you to sell photos like that, second if they agreed, they ask you for consent forms and ids, second, if your content offends any person, you get de platformed right away.

>>106170279
Look up the basic training loop for any diffusion model:

Give it an input, grade it on how well it copies it.

>>106170279
The proof is in previous replies.

>>106170279
Ironically the proof is directly above your reply

anyone get quality drops when using clip vision with wan 2.2? I dont even know if I"m supposed to use it but I got trash a few times and turned it off

>>106170280
Lmao bepis

>>106170280
I like how it decides the GPS map is infrared helicopter footage and dutch angles it

>>106170278
>Humans are continually training based on constant input as well as internal conscious dialog
this doesnt matter because again, i explained how even if you would hypothetically to freeze a human and then clone every atom before unfreezing to ask a question, it will still be intelligent, disproving:
>>106170138
>This is why it is just simulating intelligence.
>All models are frozen at training time. They are incapable of improving on their own.

>>106170297
>Look up the basic training loop for any diffusion model:
>Give it an input, grade it on how well it copies it.
so, what does that prove? everything you do in this life yourself as a human is first noticing a pattern in the world and then acting upon it, like learning how to draw yourself from trial and error or from mimicking others
an ai has less information that it is given to it during training right now to save compute, but that doesnt change anything in what it is capable of learning

lmao
https://x.com/milkkirie/status/1953085660774187110

>>106170365 (me)
>but that doesnt change anything in what it is capable of learning
*in general

>>106170365
Holy shit you're just going to do braindead fantasy appeals then. No need to reply to you any further, you're just doing retarded hypotheticals, expecting us to suck your enlightened dick while you never pay back the favor. Kill yourself.

>>106170373
I don't speak twitter and I find its structure nonsensical. Like I literally cant tell who is talking to who on that stupid website. What is happening?

>>106170373
based baljeet

>>106170373
i honestly don't what's going on there but somehow it's more mentally ill than here

>>106170384
you asserted that something is universally the case and i gave you an example that is possible to happen in reality which would disprove it, the fact that its not current tech doesnt matter, its possible therefore your universal is not universal

and i didnt even need to do that given that the universal claim that a neural network cant be frozen at some later point or it stops being classified as intelligent forever is a logical leap you never proved anyway

>>106170365
>this doesnt matter because again, i explained how even if you would hypothetically to freeze a human and then clone every atom before unfreezing to ask a question, it will still be intelligent, disproving:
>continues scifi larping thinking it proves one of his points
Humans don't run on sampler seeds. Think about that.

Fresh

>>106170414
>>106170414
>>106170414

Fresh

>>106170413
No, you're just ignoring everything anyone says and then continuing on your AI philosophical underaged shower thoughts. You're not as smart as you think.

>>106170417
>Humans don't run on sampler seeds. Think about that.
nothing to do with anything that is being discussed, unless you can prove that running on anything resembling "sampler seeds" somehow inherently prevents a system from being intelligent
>>106170428
feel free to point to where im wrong in my counter-argument, and again, you never even proved your initial assertion upon which your entire argument hinges anyway as mentioned

>>106170434
wicked

>>106170452
No, you're just ignoring everything anyone says and then continuing on your AI philosophical underaged shower thoughts. You were given rebuttals and you did "nuh uh" and then continued on your braindead thoughts about how humans are like totally AI.

Go talk to Grok, it'll be more pleasurable. Tell it to suck you off while you give your thoughts about how people are just diffusion models.

>>106170462
so you can't actually point out the problem nor prove your own initial point, alright

>>106170489
No, it's been pointed out and you just do a bad faith "nuh uh".
So, nuh uh, you're a fucking retard. People aren't just frozen AIs or whatever bullshit you just said.
Now prove that humans train in the same way as AI.

>>106170504
>People aren't just frozen AIs or whatever bullshit you just said
i never said they literally are, but they are analogous enough to disprove the point that if you freeze a brain it forever stops being intelligence for some reason which still wasnt proven by the way

>Now prove that humans train in the same way as AI.
they train in a similar enough way to make both of these things functionally into an intelligence as they can notice a complex pattern that gets generalized into a neural network so that it can be utilize in high level actions such as a conversation or converting text into an image

>>106168279
man i remember running the original stable diffusion.

that was a great time, whilst it was still kinda shit everyone was amazed at what you could do localy and honestly the model had quite some charm to it, image would be be both low quality but also have that soul like those old 2000' potatoe cameras.

>>106168099
~3 years ago, when sd15 was released, 12gb was indeed not vramlet, but yes, time moves on.

>>106169937
fucking fantastic

>>106170373
>people having no idea how all of this works and asking it to do basically magic
lol

>>106168284
>>106168317
based
thanks

>>106169980
llms are pretty much at a standstill now, only getting slightly better from scaling and """better""" from the massive amounts of synthetic data
maybe gpt5 will have something new but i doubt it based on their open shit model