The death of leetcode is an utter tragedy for tech workers.

>FUCK LEETCODE IT'S STUPID I'M NOT GONNA DO THIS TYPE OF SHIT ON THE JOB MAN!

The beautiful thing about leetcode was that it was an equalizer. Anyone decently intelligent and driven enough could grind their way into a FAGMAN engineering job. And that style of interviewing was the only way to scale interviews while also maintaining some degree of meritocracy.

But because of rampant cheating on these types of questions, tech companies are moving away from it. Many are celebrating the death of this style of hiring process, but they are myopic fools who will beg for the days back when you could just grind LC for 6 months to a year and get a 200k starting job. Soon tech hiring will just revolve around prestige, top schools, and nepotism and anyone else outside that will be gatekept from good jobs or even the industry entirely. If you don't have an Ivy League degree and top internship or ethnic nepotism you will be fucked, just like investment banking/finance/wall street/law.

>JUST DO PROJECTS
No recruiter is going to review your shitty personal project on github.

You should have been very careful of what you wished for. Do you think it's a coincidence that Roy Lee the guy that built the interview algo question cheating app was a Columbia student? Ivy league grads know their future in this new tech paradigm without LC interviews is very secure, it was the meritocratic ladder for the rest of us and they want to kick that ladder down.

>>106168895 (OP)
>Anyone decently intelligent and driven enough could grind their way into a FAGMAN engineering job
uhh no indians just memorize the solution they're just like "AI" where you think they are smart and intelligent but they are just pulling directly from memory

>>106168895 (OP)

leetcode is a piece of dogshit.

Only a braindead fucking faggot would use it.

I have 13 years of experience as a C#.NET dev and I'm white, which is rare.

I received good feedbacks (30+ of them) from coworkers, we had a feedback session every 6 month.
I worked at 3 companies (and I was recommended by a former coworker for one company) and when I wanted to quit - they did a counteroffer with a higher salary.

So, I'm not a stupid faggot unlike you, OP, I'm not talented, but I was a decent dev.

Then we had mass layoffs in tech.

And when I tried to find a new job - every fucking time some faggot gives me this bullshit.

A year ago I received a leetcode exercise and the interviewer said "you have 20 mins" I didn't do it and when I googled it - google redirected me to leetcode and this exercise was leetcode medium.

And then this faggot said "how hard it is to find someone".

Could you all faggot leetcode lovers pls fucking hang yourself and do a favor to other people.

>>106168895 (OP)
Is it really dead though? I haven't been applying to jobs this summer but in the spring I was getting DSA online assessments all the time. The issue for me has been the difficulty. The last year or two the questions that have been asked are insane. Internships demand two mediums in < 45min. Meanwhile in 2022 you could get into FAANG by inverting a binary tree. I still grind though. Hopefully by the time I graduate in Spring 2026 I'll be good enough.

>>106169000
It's good for junior developers because system design interviews when one has zero xp is basically pointless. I also like how each problem is self-contained, and I don't need to worry about managing complexity in some massive codebase. Just grind popular problems over and over again until the patterns become obvious. DSA is just the most straightforward, asymmetric way for a company to screen a candidate. You put in months/years preparing, the company spends 45 min with you in a conference room. Tbh a lot of "senior devs" try grinding leetcode and get rattled because they can't do it.

tl:dr: grinding leetcode > (((take home assignment))) that takes you 20 hours

>>106169000
>filtered by indians
kek

>>106169000
maybe you're not as good at your job as you think you are

>>106169077

What's the point? Don't you see how idiotic it is?

You spend month learning some stupid BS that is useless for your work, and after several years - again you spend several month, and then again, and then again, what the fuck?

How many good devs were thrown away, because some fucking faggot thought he knew how to conduct interviews.

Previously we had IQ tests, they were abandoned and forbidden, but Google didn't find much correlation with IQ, it wasn't the main predictor.

Then we had these stupid exercises -"hurr durr how many golf balls are in Detroit hurr I want to see your logic durr".
Turns out it doesn't indicate shit and it doesn't properly valuate a candidate. They abandoned this practice.

No we have this fucking idiotic leetcode.

>>106169231

Are you retarded?

>>106168895 (OP)
Advent of Code > leetcode. The formula was always bad. Free form execution with discrete answer > gay bullshit wordswordswords soulless theoreticals. Also any time a leetcode dictates how I store or modify inputs, I nope out.

>>106168895 (OP)
just make a project that's useful and make it open source. you can also work on other open source projects and send pull requests. doing baby challenges, hackathons or reinventing the wheel in general is a retarded way to learn

>>106169252
>Previously we had IQ tests, they were abandoned and forbidden
they were banned by a supreme court ruling

>Turns out it doesn't indicate shit and it doesn't properly valuate a candidate
turns out it does which is why data-driven tech companies have used it for so long, leetcode questions test for either high intelligence to get the questions immediately or enough intelligence and a strong work ethic to memorize them, it effectively filters out people who have credentials but no real skills or just don't make the cut

>>106168895 (OP)
i have never done a single leetcode question nor know a single person who has. is this an american thing

>>106168895 (OP)
AI pretty much killed any signal we used to get while interviewing remotely for a position
now we'll be forced to go back to on-site interviews, whiteboard only
it sucks but we'll manage

>>106169267
I'll try advent of code. I do a lot of codewars now and its pretty fun.

>>106168895 (OP)
I never liked this "hoop jumping" be it projects or jeetcode challenges. Talent is inherently multidimensional and nuanced to evaluate. I was never good at tests or interviews but am one of the smartest people in the world.

>>106169252
Who cares if it directly relates to the job? It's broadly measurement of your problem-solving skills (which are crucial for a SWE). If all it takes to get a job that secures generational wealth for our families is inverting a binary tree, we should count ourselves lucky. Unfortunately, there are too many candidates to actually spend time assessing their ability to perform at the job. It would just take way too much time. With DSA style interviews, more people get a chance to interview. I'm not even trying to shit on you. I've never even held a tech job, or passed a DSA interview for that matter. Those are just my thoughts as a student.
>>106169627
It's also an American thing for an average dev to earn $10k a month :P

>>106169711
it's good to see someone who realizes such obvious truths and doesn't just blindly hate on things they find unpleasant

>>106169711

It works if you have done it once or maybe 2 times, when you need to do this useless thing again - you start getting real butthurt.

After like 30-35 years, many people with 10-15 years of experience genuinely hate it.

I will only agree that it measures extreme high IQ.

If you can solve a series of leetcode exercises without preparation - then yes, you're prolly an extreme high IQ individual. So what?
I worked with a guy who was almsot genius, he was toxic af, he was fired lately.

But majority of people just memorize it before their interviews and it's just stupid.
I'm not against leetcode itself as a subject, I'm against doing some idiotic actions, and turns out - leetcode memorization doesn't indicate shit. Who would have thought.

A lot of Rajeets pass those interviews and deliver low quality, bugs and poor architecture.

If you pay me - I would, I would spend my time learning leetcode, but for free - I ain't doing it.

The only way to conduct an interview is to talk to a guy and you have to be experienced to be able to do this properly.

If you know what you're doing, you can tell who he is, what he's like, how he worked, a guy who's suitable - you can tell right away, he'll tell you details of projects that you can only find if you've sat and figured it out, you won't be able to lie.

If a junior gets it - I'm ok with it you can do whatever you want, a junior doesn't have a work experience, indeed there is not way to assess his skills, what pisses me off that everyone gets this, including those who have been working for 15-20 years.

>>106169711

And yeah, forgot to add, because I'm leaving, if you're a student - then good luck. Really.

I hope you find a job. When you're 35+ you will understand people like me and prolly will feel the same.

Imho, leetcode is an indicator of increasing BS that is happening now in Software Development an will only get worse, and not only leetcode.

It's not the best field to get in. Even me - I have a CS degree, 13 years of experience - I don't see any point to continue working as an SWE.
Last 6 month I'm actively searching a field to switch to from Software and forget all this BS.

You're young, maybe think twice.

Ok, good luck.

After 13 years as SWE I think to qui

>>106168895 (OP)
>The beautiful thing about leetcode was that it was an equalizer
No. It industrialized job interviews to a harmful degree. Employers are really to blame for using it determine autistic coding skills. LeetCode pushes students and applicants to hyperfocus on one aspect of SE, discarding things like teamwork, patience, and the ability to do some research.

>>106168895 (OP)
leetcode is a fucking joke. I am a dumbfuck and i just grinded it for 6 months and got into a FAGMAN company when I NEVER should have based on my qualifications and experience. just cause i could solve their bullshit puzzle questions, they loved me (I got lucky and had seen them all before)

>>106170052
so now you want to rugpull everyone else after you got in? lol

>>106168895 (OP)
Leetcode is dying off since most of the leetcode problems can be dumped into ChatGPT and it gives an answer back. Even before most leetcode problems would be found with just a quick google search. People were using multiple screens or wore headphones with a 2nd caller who just gave the answer. Most leetcode problems were done online rather than on site.

> degrees start mattering more
I wish that was the case but from what I read new grads struggle the most to get hired since everyone wants 3-5 years of experience.

>>106169252
> Previously we had IQ tests, they were abandoned and forbidden

You still have them but they call them ''mental games'' and ''character assessments''.

>>106169518
All leetcode does is test which mr India has the second line on his headphones telling him the answers. Then these companies wonder why the competence of their devs is in freefall. So they decide to ask even tougher leetcode questions. Fair, now they made it so that almost all legitimate candidates get filtered and only cheaters pass so the quality of new hires becomes even worse. It's a shit metric to make a hiring decision on.

>>106170543
You can dump any problem for that matter into AI. The problem is broader. They are testing for engineers, but with leetcode what you get aren't competent engineers, but rather wannabes that have memorized solutions to a problem. If you want to test actual engineering skill, you stop being lazy and you ask actual software design questions, you know like "Can you design a program that does x?"

>>106170724
So you think all these companies implemented these questions for no logical reason? The truth is they used them because they want to find people with some kind of innate talent who can figure out puzzles and produce novel solutions to challenging problems within a strict time limit, not people who can just churn out normal slop that's expected of them. It's like a lot of those quant trader shops on Wall Street, a lot of the time they don't care about how much you know about finance. They don't hire finance bros they want smart people with STEM education and they figure they can teach them the financial side on the job. That is the entire point.

With leetcode gone, you're not going to get interviews with more practical hands-on questions similar to what you'd do on the job, they'll just only be giving interviews to fresh grads from Ivies. Time limited DSA questions were the only practical way to screen candidates at a massive scale, nobody is going to be looking at all your dumb github projects in depth. They'll just go to Harvard and Stanford and nobody else will get hired period.

>>106170957
> some kind of innate talent who can figure out puzzles and produce novel solutions

My point is that this isn't what is being tested. Because most of the population can't do it. Leetcode questions are recycled. They are not questions the candidate hasn't seen before. If they were, the candidate would also need time to solve them. Because it's impossible to solve a novel problem without first thinking about it, or without practice. The greatest mathematicians take years to solve the hardest questions.

>>106170724
Congrats. Now they will only hire out of the same 10 universities and/or same 5 cities. Just like BigLaw and Finance.

I think it's actually disgusting that one of the last field in the US where the hiring pipeline actually gave people outside of the Ivies a chance at a good job, or a do-over without spending tens of thousands on an MBA from those same T10 universities is getting destroyed.

>>106170957
I can't believe law is becoming more meritocratic than tech. At least there, you can grind LSAT into a score a T10 might accept. It's harder than LC interviews, but at least anyone can take the LSAT.

>>106171023
It quite literally doesn't matter. Just because it isn't a perfect system and can be gamed doesn't mean it wasn't the best thing there was given the amount of applicants. It clearly selected for something valuable, either talent or ability to memorize many things, which are valuable in software engineering. One thing is for sure though what's going to replace it is far worse, basically what >>106171030 said. It will be like law or finance with a path available to only Ivy League graduates and nepo babies. You've let perfect be the enemy of the good and cheered for the dismantlement of one of the last meritocratic paths into the upper class out of your shortsightedness.

>>106171023
So what's your alternative that doesn't boil down to "only hire people already in Big Tech, and only hire juniors out of Stanford"

>>106171086
In the past 10 years grad and professional schools have stopped caring about test scores and care much more about GPA. You can't be a splitter with a killer test score like a decade ago and get into top grad programs. They want people with undergrad extracurriculars just like high school. I was told by a professor in senior year of my STEM degree to not even bother applying to grad school since although he liked me and knew I was capable of handling it I didn't have enough research and clubs to get in and he knew I wouldn't even be able to get into the program at the same university, because they only care about 3.8+ GPAs and undergrad participation crap.

>>106168895 (OP)
nobody will care about what school you went to, just that you're of the correct language and hindu caste and are ideally the sibling or cousin of the hiring manager sirs.

>>106171094
I can't believe hiring managers are listening to people that won't shut the fuck up and do the brain teasers.

>>106171110
They don't have an actual alternative and especially one big tech isn't going to implement. All the LC haters just whine about LC and want it gone without really considering the consequences of that. It's always idealistic impractical shit like
>they should give you on the job practical problems and invite you for a day at the office and see how you do and read through all your projects
No company is ever going to do this shit, they're not going to spend hours and hours on some ridiculous process. It was easier to narrow down the massive pool of candidates out with timed DSA questions. Besides, new grads and non bigtech wouldn't be able to handle this hypothetical on the job real dev interview either, they haven't worked in an environment like that, that stuff is all on the job training. A shitty github project or senior project for your CS degree is not like working on a team at one of these companies. The MCAT doesn't test you on "what doctors really do day to day". It's just such a bizarre argument clearly only made by people assblasted because they don't like doing LC.

>>106171156
The brain teasers have been a staple of tech hiring for over a decade. It's only being phased out because of cheating and AI, otherwise it would remain the same.

>>106171170
>It's just such a bizarre argument clearly only made by people assblasted because they don't like doing LC.
I think it's actually extremely fair that life-changing money was gated behind practicing brain teasers for a few months if you weren't good at them.

Although I do understand some asshurt when bodyshops and shitty small companies that pay insulting amounts money want you to solve LC Hards

>>106168895 (OP)
True story: I was in a shitty electrical engineering job, leetcoded and got into facebook as a software engineer

leetcode was truly the great equalizer

>>106169000
I used to think this way but now I'm doing leetcode and I'm actually learning a lot of shit.
Like how to write more efficient code.
If you can't solve leetcode it's proof that your code is not top tier.

>I have 13 years of experience as a C#.NET
I mean sure, if your job is writing C# APIs that do "Select * "from the DB for corporate shovelware apps, then leetcode is probably useless (and the majority of programmers actually have this job)

But for the real programming job where writing the most performant code matters, mastering leetcode is a prereq

>>106171110
My alternative is just to discuss a real world problem. Why are you so afraid of them just doing what they should be doing instead of what they're currently doing? Right now they not only prefer hiring juniors out of Stanford, but they also give out LC style questions. Not much would change if they simply stop the LC questions.

>>106171387
College students and applicants from small-medium sized companies don't actually have the perspective to answer these questions. Or, they'll just have to study the answers like leetcode but with even more noise and bullshitting.

Just practice the brain teasers you big baby. You clearly aren't senior or proven enough to skip to the system design questions.

>>106168895 (OP)
>No recruiter is going to review your shitty personal project on github.
But they can prompt an LLM to compare candidates which is why my project searches for the project that maxes the score, and searches for the prompt that's best resists that kind of cheating. And just like leecode everyone involved is a customer.

>>106171170
The purpose of interviews should be to screen whether candidates are competent enough to do the job. Not to serve as an useless filter for those who like to jerk off because they can solve some logical puzzle that is unrelated to the actual job. LC style interviews weed out competent candidates.

Some companies give out assessments that are literal IQ tests. Some of them do math/logical tests. These are just as stupid as LC style tests. They're not testing whether the candidate is competent programmer, they're only testing whether the candidate can solve math style puzzles (because I'm sure math majors love solving those), but a decent programmer might be out of practice with such problems and perform poorly.

>>106171491
>but a decent programmer might be out of practice with such problems and perform poorly.
If you know they're coming, practice it. Imagine admitting to being filtered by an effort check.

>>106169267
advent of code problems ARE wordswordswords in many cases though

i did that shit once and got to a point where the instructions were a multiple page long novella and i just said fuck this and quit

>>106171518
>putting effort into some grovelling dance monkey shit you arent getting paid for
wouldnt be me

>>106171297
solving problems that dont have an ends is solving nothing at all

>>106171526
>>putting effort into some grovelling dance monkey shit you arent getting paid for
Yeah, I hate take-home assignments too.

>>106171518
You may not value your time, or your sanity, but I do.

>>106171572
if they cant just look at my github projects they can eat my entire ass

>>106171629
How about you just don’t get hired?

>>106172501
not my problem

>>106171297
>But for the real programming job where writing the most performant code matters, mastering leetcode is a prereq
I write code for Linux (kernel) which I think most people would agree is "real programming" and we use linked lists and linear search everywhere. The thing that doesn't come across in leetcode is that using fancy DSA only works for large sequences. For smaller ones the cache & predictor friendliness of linearity wins out (albeit linked lists might be spread out and not cache friendly, but it avoids copying when you want to resize). It's quite hard for CPUs to optimise tree traversals while a linear search can be detected and optimised.