Thread 106173461

TL;DR
Max - a russian state-sponsored clone of Telegram that poses itself as a messenger app
- At the moment government is forcing students and government workers to install it, but plans to enlarge force-installs
- Government plans to limit smartphone imports to the country if they don't have Max pre-installed
- Ads portray it as a good app since there is integration with government services such as paying house bills (electricity, water, etc) or working with official documents. Basically a clone of chinese QQ that also integrates these things.
This article - https://vc.ru/life/2069180-messendzher-max-bezopasnost-i-uiazvimosti states that:
- App collects data regarding other accounts on other apps on the phone
- App collects data about what processes are launched
- App checks if device is rooted
- App forces itself to always be launched with wake lock
- App runs in background, imported phones (with pre-installed Max) will likely have the app protected from being shut down via task manager
- App reads notifications of other apps

Any software engineers here? Can someone try reverse-engineering it or decompile it? How bad actually is it?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.oneme.app

>>106173461 (OP)
The Eye of Sauron

why the fuck is russia going back to stalin era censorship? they lived through it, and yet decide yes! we are going to do it again!

>>106173461 (OP)
>- App forces itself to always be launched with wake lock
*to be active

Also would like to note that in russian chats whenever the app, and especially government forcing to install it is is mentioned - everyone either jokes about the state being fascistic, mass survelliance, or posts a praise of the app with something like "(don't edit provided text, you will receive your payment for posting the praise soon)" at the end. Basically, the general opinion of the public is that no one wants to install it.
Yet, surprisingly, on Play Market it has a quite high score of 3.6, which may suggest automated upvotes.

>>106173461 (OP)
So it's Google Services but for Russia? Why should I care?

>>106173461 (OP)
>Ads portray it as a good app since there is integration with government services
The Power of Adverizing

>>106173500
>no one wants to install it.
They won't have a choice
>wanna pay your comunal service - gotta get the app
>wanna pay car insurance - app
>need a copy of your apartment's property deed to take out a mortgage - app.

>>106173461 (OP)
>Russia turning into North Korea
Nobody is surprised.

>>106173500
it had 1 star rating for a while

>>106173497
"It is what it is" - ruskie national motto

>>106173545
These services have existed for years now and have their own website and app, I don't think these would be removed solely to do all that in the Max app

Irrelevant to me because I took the brick phone pill.

>>106173506
It always seems distant, that it only happens in China or North Korea. But now, Russia is doing this, and EU is planning to mass-spy too, see >>106172043

>>106173497
Lots of Russian people are completely brainwashed to disregard quality of life in the name of "greatness" and "stability", and in their minds the freedom is associated with turbulent time of 1990s and weakness. It as also pretty safe to say that censorship is a worldwide trend, Russia is merely few steps ahead of EU/UK/Aus at this point. USA has a lot of safeguards against tyranny like this but the trend is also quite clear. It'll never be as good as it was in 00s when it comes to internet freedom.

>>106173866
>USA has a lot of safeguards against tyranny like this
lol, have you missed the news for some months or what's up?

>>106173461 (OP)
Doesn't sound any different to every other mainstream app

>>106173893
No, I know about recent developments but it's still isn't as bad as UK/EU. Current restrictions aren't federal and at least have a chance to get eventually overturned unlike in UK, for example. Americans still seem to take the First Amendment seriously meanwhile for euros freedom of speech is becoming a curse word.

>>106173497
the whole world is you imbecile

>>106173461 (OP)
>play.google.com
considering the absolute state of government coooders, this crap probably demands installed google services to spy

>>106173945
How ironic that you are talking about people being completely brainwashed.

>>106173945
you've been asleep these past 10 years, so I'll recap
the USA basically lets other five eyes nations spy on US citizens in order to circumvent the illegality of the US state doing so itself

>>106174068
There are many other sources it can be downloaded from. Russia has expanded its apps market since 2022, when many russian apps became unavailable on Pla yMarket.
https://max.ru/
https://www.rustore.ru/catalog/app/ru.oneme.app
https://appgallery.huawei.com/#/app/C113469599

>>106174100
In what way am I brainwashed? I am not implying that US is completely immune to this nor that it is perfect.
>>106174109
I know about 5 eyes, thank you. I never said that US is completely immune to censorship and surveillance, I actually mentioned that it's on the same path. But they can't do it as blatantly and easily as UK or other full-on authoritarian states like Russia can. I guess I am too ESL to elaborate this properly.

>>106173506
exactly. It's bad but it's the same shit apple and google does which is then shared with US government through prism. You can't use normal life things like banking software without it.

>>106174257
thanks, man. it's unfortunate that i specifically said google services, not play market. and i speak from experience, there is one russian app which refuses to log in and connect to governmental stuff unless you have genuine services (foss replacements like microGock dont work). it's a pretty important one too.

>>106174316
USA is doing surveillance every bit as blatantly as UK/EU and Russia. The only difference is that they are doing it while dodging limitations placed on the government and they are bragging to your face about doing it because they know you won't do anything about it.

>>106173866
>USA has a lot of safeguards against tyranny like this
Hi Langley.

>>106173497
>implying russians have a say in the matter

>>106173461 (OP)
At that point you would probably want to isolate the phone in a soundproof box. Maybe not EM-isolated though so it doesn't get suspicious of the lack of signal. But I'm not sure what the point of this sort of hardware lockdown is when regular computers are still available. People skirting the law will just stop using their phone. If you're gonna go surveillance state you need to do the same for laptops and computers too.

>>106173497
it's in their genes to be cattle

TZD

>>106173497
Can't have the plebs discussing the shit for brains self imploding war their monke started and plotting revolutions on their phones.

>>106173598
>Middle button is a torch light on/off button

Noice

>>106174100
No better example than you, pidoras.

>>106174109
>buhwaddabout
Glavset right on cue.

>>106173497
A lot of countries are heading in that direction. They've realized that free information is a threat to their power and are clamping down on it.

>>106174740
>their monke started
Who decided to ban the language half of Ukrainians speak and bomb the Donbas region for 8 fucking years, all while completely ignoring the Minsk I and Minsk II Agreements? You can't answer this without retreating immediately to some pre-programmed talking point or deflecting with snark like an underage redditor.

>>106174812
>banning the languages the guerrillas funded by a bigger power to fuck up your country are using, trying to fight back against said guerrillas and moving on from exploitative 'agreements' is bad and totally a justification for war, actually.

>>106173497
Russian boomers are too dumb to see the issue and see it as "older = better", russian zoomers have no power to say anything about it because russia is a police state and the state exploits it

>>106173598
Police will think you're a drug dealer or a terrorist and will lock you up for 3 days and come to your house with a search warrant. Having brick phones is perhaps the single most suspicious thing, unless you are a grandma who can't use smartphones.

>>106174980
Weirdly enough, a lot of zoomers actually support it. Which is not that surprising: they've never experienced freedom and free Internet; they were toddlers. Their conscious lives began under mass censorship, and it's the "norm".

>>106173461 (OP)
Max and WeChat are the only messengers to escape from NSA surveillance. Just keep this in mind.

Signal, Threema, SimpleX are at best controlled opposition.

>>106175085
>Weirdly enough, a lot of zoomers actually support it
Those are uneducated bydlo who sit in their circles without having experienced the freedom of 2000-2010s

>>106175117
>Signal, Threema, SimpleX
If that's true then why are they pushing legislation to outlaw their approach to encryption?

>>106174917
>half the country wanting to speak their native fucking language is ackchually a bigger power doing a heccin' guerrilla warfare bro
See? You can't do it even if you wanted to be taken seriously.

>>106175144
>deflecting with snark like an underage redditor

>>106174812
>Who decided to ban the language half of Ukrainians speak
Didn't happen. No one was forbidden from speaking Ruskoid.
>bomb the Donbas region for 8 fucking years
Oh yeah, and why did they have to do that? Oh right, because someone was supplying troops and weapons for a violent insurgency. Remember that time those retards shot down a passenger airplane over Donbass? You do now.
>all while completely ignoring the Minsk I and Minsk II Agreements?
As if Russia didn't violate those same agreements. And if you want to talk about agreements then whatever happened to the Budapest Memorandum?

>>106173597
>Russia has literally spent billions and decades organizing their network so that with a flick of a switch they can isolate themselves from the rest of the world
>But centralizing services into a single app (which has been done in many countries already) is not reasonable

>>106173506
except google is freedom and russia is communism
are you brainwashed by chinks or something?

>>106173506
Google Services is circumventable because it's not state enforced.

>>106173497
As always, it is because no one is asking. All this "BUT WHY THEY" is based on western assumption that common people can do shit in propaganda-filled dictatorships. Move the wrong way and be sure you will be fucked so hard that anyone else will move the right way only from now.

>>106175167
>half the country not wanting their culture made illegal is a guerrilla warfare bro
>why are you deflecting bro

>>106174592
>there is one russian app which refuses to log in and connect to governmental stuff unless you have genuine services
WDYM?

>>106173461 (OP)
Captcha for this threadwhrx4

>>106175221
>>Russia has literally spent billions and decades organizing their network so that with a flick of a switch they can isolate themselves from the rest of the world
Didn't happen. Cut off the internet? Sure. Replace popular apps? No.
>But centralizing services into a single app (which has been done in many countries already) is not reasonable
Now that "no" slowly turns into "yes" as "non-western, patriotic, replacement apps" such as Max are created.

>>106175199
>Didn't happen
Denial isn't an argument.
>>106175801
>Didn't happen
Denial isn't an argument.

>>106177160
Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Russia's FSB shits on it btw

>>106177554
>Claims made without evidence
Like the fanfiction of Ukrainians in the east actually being secret Russian bots programmed by the Putler himself? Dismissing people who threaten your worldview by wanting to speak their own fucking language as insentient automatons isn't an argument to start with, champ.

>>106177859
None of what you said makes sense.

>>106177934
Keep trying, you'll get there someday <3

>>106178071
Where? To Russia losing a war it should have won?
Yeah, we're all getting there.

>>106174723
They had 4 revolutions in the past 120 years. How many did YOU have?
I see who is the real cattle ...

>>106174778
Internet doesn't really work as a free medium because always without exception the most mentally ill people get the most publicity and validation.
It was a disaster.

>>106173497
Russians don't consider Stalin bad.
He's a hero to them and yes they want to go back to good old Stalin days.
Stalin is the opposite of western and they hate anything western.

>>106179071
From the perspective of someone indoctrinated by the Gated Institutional Narrative, it would seem that way.

>>106179032
Four in the last 100. Checkmate zigger.
>>106174812
>Who decided to ban the language half of Ukrainians speak and bomb the Donbas region for 8 fucking years, all while completely ignoring the Minsk I and Minsk II Agreements? You can't answer this without retreating immediately to some pre-programmed talking point or deflecting with snark like an underage redditor.
Lies. But you knew that already you disingenuous piece of shit.

>>106179032
Death to the old Czar, long live the new Czar.
Nothing really changes.

>>106179575
>Lies.
Repeated denial isn't an argument.

>>106174688
You are an illiterate moron. The USA is not enforcing censorship and hate speech laws to anywhere near the same extent as the UK.

>>106179528
Russia wouldn't have survived WW2 without Stalin's rapid industralization. Stalin is unironically a hero.

>>106174812
Why is what Ukraine does with it's language concern a smelly russian pig like yourself? There shouldn't be any russians in Ukraine.

>>106179562
From the perspective of ANYONE who has seen the world before and after the Internet

>>106179893
Ukrainian language is Russian tho.

MAX — этo нe пpocтo aльтepнaтивa. Этo — лyчшee peшeниe для тeх, кoмy вaжнa:

Aбcoлютнaя пpивaтнocть
Tвoи дaнныe ocтaютcя тoлькo твoими. MAX хpaнит пepeпиcкy нa poccийcких cepвepaх, coблюдaя вce cтaндapты кибepбeзoпacнocти и кoнфидeнциaльнocти. Hикaких yтeчeк, никaкoй cлeжки.

Cвepхбыcтpaя пepeдaчa
Фoтoгpaфии, видeo, дoкyмeнты — мгнoвeннo.
MAX иcпoльзyeт иннoвaциoнныe тeхнoлoгии cжaтия бeз пoтepи кaчecтвa. Быcтpee, чeм Telegram. Лeгчe, чeм WhatsApp.

Кpиcтaльнo чиcтыe звoнки и видeocвязь
Cвязь бeз зaдepжeк, дaжe пpи cлaбoм интepнeтe. MAX oптимизиpoвaн пoд poccийcкиe ceти — ты бyдeшь cлышaть и видeть coбeceдникa, кaк бyдтo oн pядoм.

Гибкaя нacтpoйкa интepфeйca
Teмы, cтили, aвaтapы, yникaльныe peaкции — MAX пoзвoляeт выpaзить ceбя пoлнocтью. Telegram тaкoгo нe дacт.

Пoлнaя cинхpoнизaция c Гocycлyгaми (пo жeлaнию)
Хoчeшь быть в кypce вceх yвeдoмлeний oт гocyдapcтвa? MAX мoжeт этo!
Ho тoлькo ecли ты caм peшишь — бeз нaвязчивocти и peклaмы.

Coздaн в Poccии. Для Poccии.
MAX — этo нeзaвиcимocть oт инocтpaнных плaтфopм и caнкций. Paбoтaeт cтaбильнo, дaжe ecли ocтaльнoe нeт.

Cкaчaй MAX нa https://max.ru/ — и oщyти paзницy yжe ceгoдня!
Бyдyщee мecceнджepoв нa твoём экpaнe.

>>106179648
Repeated lying neither. See >>106177554
Now go enjoy (You)'re 50¢.

>>106179893
>Why is what the western installed regime in the capital does with the languages of multiple populations concern the weirdly specific strawman that lives rent free in my head?
>There shouldn't be any [Ethnic Minority] in [Country]
Not beating the Nazi allegations here, Azov-kun.

Literally Musk's idea of Xitter, an everything app (stolen by Chinese apps)

>>106179981
Talking in circles in denial neither. See >>106177859
Now go enjoy (You)r buy-one-get-one Big Mac or whatever they compensate you with now after the USAID cuts.

>>106180203
Anon, changs made their "superapp" years before Musk was forced to buy xitter and started making up bullshit to appease investors.

>>106180093
I live on the other side of the planet you smelly Russian pig.
I feel sorry for Ukrainians constantly having to deal with you idiots stuck in the imperialist mindset. If they want to get rid of the russian language, that is hardly a surprise to me. Hopefully they kill another million of your army.

>>106173461 (OP)
Anti russian propaganda post on /pol/ or /news/
>>106173866
>>106173945
>USA has a lot of safeguards against tyranny
You answered for yourself and most of the US.
>people are completely brainwashed
>>106179528
Oh dear, brief and over simplified
>Stalin was one of the communist dictators.
>Second world war, USSR (Stalin administration) was part of the allied.
>Allied won, old nazi germany was divided between them.
> Ambitions and politics, the cold war era started.

Using slogans of greatness is fairly common e.g. Make America great again - Trump..

>>106180243
>doubling down on the bit
Yikes.

>>106179528
But Stalin was a marxist and marxism is a western ideology.

>>106180274
>old nazi germany was divided between them.
And guess which half was the far bigger shithole?

>>106180289
Marxism is adapted from the way of life by ancient Slavic tribes and prehistoric humans (see primitive communism) in the hunter-gatherer societies before farming was a thing

>>106180240
Meant stolen from I'm retarded

>>106175703
and why should i share? as a fellow /g/ anon, you stand outside of political dementia, and so you're a fren, but people lurking around aren't.