why can't bigger llm achieve agi?

>>106174210 (OP)
>why cant a screwdriver take to the air with its own propulsion?
llms dont reason.

>>106174210 (OP)
The transformer architecture at it's core does not lead to emergent behavior on that scale.

>>106174210 (OP)
AGI doesn't mean anything. Hope that helps.

LLMs can't see more than one token into the future, they can only continue their current sentence and hope that it's what you wanted.
They tried to fix this with the "thinking" models, but it failed.

>>106174227
>emergent behavior
That's not a thing.

>>106174252
You're literally supposed to be a walking example of this, but perhaps from your perspective this truly seems nonsensical.

>>106174252
we have a whole thread about that you complete retard
>>106173885

>>106174210 (OP)
>why can't bigger llm achieve agi?
Because they are doing nothing to transcend the equivalence to pic related.

>>106174302
that would be "emergence", its not quite the same, apparently
i double checked because i thought emergent behaviour applies to all systems, but apparently not

>>106174252
Based and correct.

>>106174308
Cringe and wrong.

"Emergent behavior" is just a midwit buzzphrase that tries to reify the abstract intellectual equivalent of pareidolia into a real thing.

>>106174318
>emergence
Abstraction. Purely descriptive. Not a real thing.

Mergence is well attested in some area of science.

>>106174321
>redditspacing
>antropomorphizes the chatbot
youre a mental retard
complete baffon
a farm animal

its a term for u nintended consequences in an ai system
and thats it
i dont give a shit how the developmentals down in retard.com use the term theyre wrong

>>106174330
>purely descriptive
like a good portion of the human language.

>>106174210 (OP)
It can, we just need another trillion dollars, bro. Trust me.

>>106174348
Coming up with words for concepts doesn't magically give them any ontological weight.

>>106174362
>theres no value to qualificatives for things like, relative comparison because these terms dont express the essence of things
youre a complete fucking retard
you dont even know how communication functions
go back to watching cocomelon

>>106174381
Whom are you quoting? Do you have a mental illness by any chance? Because that was not a rational response to anything anyone said.

>>106174388
>Coming up with words for concepts doesn't magically give them any metaphisical weight.
>tells you to take meds

mental fucking retard

>>106174406
So this time you're actually quoting something that was said, but instead of addressing it in any way, you just start madly foaming at the mouth?

>>106174426
>you just start madly foaming at the mouth?
if i were id start to set random shit on fire
this is how i sound when i barely woke up and i find something disappointing

also
i DID adress your shit
i called it a retarded waste of time, if you knew how to read bw the lines

>>106174446
You didn't address anything. You just started losing it over statements no one made. Whether or not pure abstractions are valuable has no bearing on the fact that they're not real things. They're in your head. Nothing "emerges" from anything.

>>106174461
> Whether or not pure abstractions are valuable has no bearing on the fact that they're not real things
yeah and such considerations are a retarded waste of time at best
and mental illness at worst

wow, i only had to repeat myself once for you to finally understand

>>106174476
OP wanted to know why intelligence doesn't just "emerge" from computing a model of human texts. The answer is that insofar as intelligence implies some process of comprehension, and that process is an actual, real thing that can be directly experienced, it's never going to "emerge" out of anything. Expecting intelligence to "emerge" is a complete reversal of the relationship between reality and description.

>>106174461
>They're in your head. Nothing "emerges" from anything.
Emergence has been described quite convincingly before. Read Manuel DeLanda for a cursory approximation.

>>106174509
A high level description of a collection of things doesn't create any new things. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deeply confused about what "emergence" is, and shouldn't be writing about it.

>>106174210 (OP)
>why can't bigger llm achieve agi?
I coined the term 'biological substrate', AIs lack them.

>>106174501
>The answer is that insofar as intelligence implies some process of comprehension, and that process is an actual, real thing that can be directly experienced, it's never going to "emerge" out of anything.
>Expecting intelligence to "emerge" is a complete reversal of the relationship between reality and description.
and this is why these sorts of considerations are at best a waste of time
at worst mental illness

because were intelligent beings allright
intelligence which emerges from basic chemical processes.
we are living proof that your whole branch of philosopy is fucktarded and completely worthless because it drives you to wrong conclusions

>>106174530
>intelligence which emerges from basic chemical processes
This is nothing more than your head canon.

>>106174529
>I coined the term 'biological substrate'
No, you didn't.

>>106174536
>This is nothing more than your head canon.
we have physicality
it is the foundation of our being in reality

and you are a mentally ill retard

>>106174551
>we have physicality
Ok. Now explain what your abstractions have to do with that "physicality".

>>106174527
>A high level description of a collection of things doesn't create any new things
You're conflating processes and concepts to a degree that would take me too long for you to change your midwit and stubborn mind. I'm sorry.

>>106174559
>You're conflating processes and concepts
You're lying to a degree where it becomes obvious that you're nonwhite.

What are the odds that the NSA has it? I personally think its greater than 1%. Remember, FAGMAN does not have more talent than US intelligence agencies.

>>106174557
you can have physicality without intelligence
but you cannot have intelligence without physicality
ergo: physicality and the underlying physical/chemical even guantum processes are foundational to intelligence

ergo: intelligence is a quality that emerges from a simpler, more restricted system
no amount of digression is gonna change that
or the fact that your philosophy is a tragic waste of time nor the fact that youre a mental retard

>>106174570
I never understood this conspiracy theory that US military or intelligence agencies have some secret supertech that defies science and is decades ahead of anything commercial. In reality, they're all really fucking incompetent.

>>106174584
>physicality and the underlying physical/chemical even guantum processes are foundational to intelligence
Maybe. But this doesn't explain anything.

>ergo: intelligence is a quality that emerges from a simpler, more restricted system
This is a total nonsequitur. No logical relation to the previous statement.

>>106174593
True.

>>106174210 (OP)
I need a technical and non-schizo answer

>>106174593
Thank Alan Turing and DARPA for that.

>>106174624
Intelligence doesn't work by predicting one word at a time, technically speaking. :^)

>>106174640
how do you know human doesn't work like that

>>106174647
>how do you know human doesn't work like that
I can't speak for AI fans and their limited minds, but I can conceptualize something first and figure out the words for it later.

>>106174597
>>physicality and the underlying physical/chemical even guantum processes are foundational to intelligence
>Maybe. But this doesn't explain anything.
>>ergo: intelligence is a quality that emerges from a simpler, more restricted system
>This is a total nonsequitur. No logical relation to the previous statement.
mental retard confirmed

>>106174781
Kinda funny how you never get much further than hallucinating quotes, seething incoherently and making trivial nonsequiturs.

>>106174802
>talks about me
like a mental retard would
if you cannot connect the dots between the two propositions i stated before
you are developmentally retarded

>>106174832
You can't connect the dots between your two logically unrelated propositions, either. You've failed to do so multiple times already. Your next 90 IQ brown post will be no exception to this trend.

>>106174851
>You can't connect the dots between your two logically unrelated propositions, either.
>more talking about me
>wrong on top of that
>and in the format of cope
ask chat gpt to explain it to you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
not only it will execute
not only you can prompt it until you will understand

but its also a litmus test to how much the previous propositions set makes sense
which will evidence to you that youre a mental retard, from an independent source this time

>>106174927
>i use bots to explain things to me and to validate my opinions
No wonder you're so invested in this magical emergence fallacy. kek

Also notice how my prediction was correct. You can't connect the dots between your two logically unrelated propositions, either. You've failed to do so multiple times already. Your next 90 IQ brown post will be no exception to this trend.

>>106174981
>another digression
>another sad homonem
such are the ways of mental retards
too much verbal iq
not enough brain matter proper

>>106174981
>>106175070
>silence
wtf
did you actually feed the shit to a chatbot?
and the result surprized you enough to make you stfu

you werent trolling, right?
you are genuinely THAT fucking retarded

>80 IQ brown retard still seething incoherently
What causes low IQs to think that if a conclusion is compatible with a premise, then it necessarily follows it? Also what causes them to use literal token predictors for intellectual validation?

>>106175304
>Also what causes them to use literal token predictors for intellectual validation?
its thesis validation and the chatbot is a correlation machine you complete bafooon
>nn bwawn
no, u, post hand, retardo nigger

>the heckin' token stringer validated my thesis
I bet it also validated the thesis that you're a real woman.

>>106174252
Reasoning is literally an emergent behavior of LLMs. It was discovered by the aicgfags who were sex RPing with chatbots who were trying to get help with math homework or some shit

>>106175332
>token stranger
no
>the average of english

youre a mental retard
you dont even know the barest of basics
yet youre brazen and use pilpul

youre a kike
i just dont know yet if mizrahi, sepharadi or ashkenazi
post hand to clarify this question

>>106175357
>Reasoning is literally an emergent behavior of LLMs
its not reasoning its correlation
and aicgfags should be recycled into fertilizer

>>106175357
>Reasoning is literally an emergent behavior of LLMs.
Can you show me any evidence whatsoever of LLMs "reasoning"? Even explicit attempts to fake reasoning using CoT hacks ends up failing as in pic related. Your emergent reasoning fantasy is quite literally schizophrenia.

>>106174593
it's normal to assume that governments have access to new technologies, especially potential weapons before anyone else.

>>106175542
New technologies, yes. Non-existing technologies, no.

>>106175553
Reminder: conspiracy is a technology and the government has it.