Thread 106226589

The world you were born in no longer exists.

Oh my hecking reddit this is just like the caretaker... but y2k? Take my updoot!

>>106226589 (OP)
Good. I actually got the chance to use dial-up for years. It's dogshit and those demonic modem noises will never leave my psyche.

>>106226609
You know you could've just muted the modem right?

>>106226589 (OP)
>zoomers are nostalgic for objectively dogshit technology that was universally hated by anyone who had to use it
many such cases

>>106226589 (OP)
oldest loser on 4chan award
60yo and still using 4chan award

>>106226643
>universally hated by anyone who had to use it
Why would anyone have hated dialup when it was the only option for connecting to the internet?

>>106226628
In my defense, I was just a kid at the time.

The internet doesn't even fucking work anymore with dial up.
The whole thing was purely propped up by zombie contracts still running without anyone behind the wheel.
Go try throttling your internet connection to 40kbits (yes, 56k modems rarely reached their maximum ever).
In some cases using dialup in 2025 you'd literally wait an entire month for some page to load completely.

>>106226589 (OP)
>>106226658
Because it sucked.
>t.oldfag that used it since 2400 baud modems were a thing
>1 hour to download a 150kb file
>best JPG i ever got

>>106226684
I grew up in the 90s and I don't remember ever thinking "wow the internet sucks" when I was using dialup. It felt magical every day I used it. It wasn't until broadband became available that I realized it sucked by comparison. You must have had adhd or something.

>>106226658
>why would anyone hate dialup
Hm could it possibly be:
>slow speeds that required waiting a long time to load anything larger than text
>the fact that it completely tied up your home phone line in an era where very few people had cellphones and people were constantly on the phone to shoot the shit
>lengthy and loud connection protocol
Just because it was all we had does not mean that we loved it. Everyone was painfully aware of how slow it was.

>>106226710
>when I was a retarded child I couldn't help but be amazed at primitive technology
this is not virtue no matter how you spin it, larping zoomer-kun

>>106226668
44k was the highest my 56k modem usually reached.
sometimes it connected with 48 and I was like :O but then nothing happened and I had to re-dial.
Sometimes it even just conencted with 33 and I was pissed.

>>106226684
Also a 2400 baud modem would only take about 4 minutes to download a 150KB file. And JPEG wasn't even invented yet when 2400 baud modems were the norm so you're probably just making all this shit up.

>>106226589 (OP)
All conditioned things are impermanent

Modern web doesn't really work with dial-up anymore but most everything else you can do does. I don't care what anyone says the loss of POTS along with ISPs providing a bridge to the internet over it is a horrible thing. Compare modern 'landlines' to what we had before:

POTS:
>Works even in a power outage for 2+ days
>Must provide battery backup by law
>Better audio quality than modern VoIP services
>can access internet with simple modem and ssh into whatever system you want. Everything but the web works fine.
>just werks

A modern "landline" (VoIP):
>Power outage? No telephone service for you
>terrible audio quality+noticeable lag (worse than more cell service)
>downloading data from a .torrent? Enjoy the other party being unable to hear you speak
>by law not required to provide battery backup or work as an emergency service
>ISP sells your telephone number directly to Indian spammers and makes lots of money. Phone now rings 100+ times a day with scamming pajeet threatening to jail you for car warranty or pretending to be you while calling you Grandparents and begging for bail money to get out of jail
>most of the time will not work with dial-up modem

They're phasing out POTS pretty much everywhere now. Despite the fact that there is nothing wrong with the network if they would spend $2 a year per customer to maintain it. Charging $120+ a month for POTS service is really scummy practice as well. There is no point in abandoning it since we've already dump trillions into the network as tax payers.

I suffered with 14kbps-28kbps spotty dial-up service at home for decades. It worked fine for everything including the web until about 2009 with the whole cell phone+"modern web" push. Even early "web 2.0" sites worked fine provided you ran an ad+script blocker.

>>106226668
Limiting a modern connection to 40kbps is in no way comparable to dial-up.

>>106226741
Confusing theoretical top speed for actual realistic use-case top speed? That's a paddlin', kid.

>>106226668
I just tried loading this thread with chrome throttled to 56k/150ms latency and javascript disabled and it took 15 seconds. That's still pretty usable if you aren't a zoomer with fried dopamine receptors. The actual page loaded in only 6 seconds but then it waited 10 more seconds to download 9 different un-minified css files because the 4chan devs are retarded and don't know how to properly optimize anything.

>>106226747
why cattle who cant adopt be like
>nooooooooooooooo i want things to last forever, i want this movie to last forever, this os to last forever, this flower to bloom forever, my youth to remain forever
why cattle like this lol and cant enjoy change?

>>106226609
I loved the negotiation sound. I could tell how good my connect was going to be by the noises it made. I had to have it.

>>106226710
It was magical. Now we flail about in an ocean of shit.

>>106227033
You are ZOOM as fuck. The actual realistic speed you could get out of a "56k" modem was 4kbps. Slow it down to that, then try again, retard.

>>106227172
A 56k modem connects at 56kbps. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

>>106227172
>>106227188
He's retarded. Even with the worse of conditions 4chan is probably one of the few websites where a 14-36k connection would be tolerable. Even more so for a text board or with images disabled.

You can always tell who's LARPing because they can't help but expose themselves. They think they know everything despite not having lived through those times.

Oh no a dinosaur finally croaked, it's fucking AOL not Bell.

My shitty landline and shitty ISPs barely did 30k even with the best 56k USRobotics modem, but the worst part was not the speed but paying per minute.
I was a kid and did not know how to set up actual crawlers so I manually opened dozens, hundreds of pages as fast as possible without reading them, disconnected, and used Internet Cache Explorer to actually read the pages offline.

>>106226658
>>106226710
It was frustrating how slow it was. You didn't have faster internet to compare it to but you obviously had a frame of reference from using your computer for other things, like accessing stuff on cd roms and such.

>>106226589 (OP)
>2025
>dial up

>>106227172

I remember star flow loader downloading 2.1 KB/s on a good day. Now I get like 30MB/s I think or more.

How come they couldnt deliver ADSL at the very least?

>>106226589 (OP)
>The world you were born in no longer exists.
Its been gone for like 2 decades already, you're a bit late for that.

>>106226658
by the late 90s/early 2000s you were already treated like a nigger on the Internet if you were still on dial-up
>"CLICK HERE TO ENTER OUR FLASHY, MULTIMEDIA RICH SITE... or click over here if you're on a slow connection for a 20px gif or two, I guess."
>56k warnings for image-laden threads
>get kicked from games cause you're lagging everyone else on the server
>can't watch any video above a 50x50px smeary mess that buffers ever 5 seconds
>can't stream HQ internet radio
>have to mooch pirated mp3s off friends with high speed internet
>updooting software is a PITA
>can't connect at all because the ISP's dialing pool is full
>get kicked off automatically after whatever time limit your ISP enforced
>get bumped off because someone picked up the phone
And the bloating of webpages made the experience worse each year. We dumped dial-up for 1Mb cable back in '03 and it was shocking how quick everything loaded after that. I can't even fathom using dial-up Internet post-00s for anything other than shelling into remote equipment.

>>106227053
I say this.

>>106226589 (OP)
That happens every Planck seconds = 5.391e-44 seconds.

>>106226601
that actually sounds kino, someone should get on that

>>106226589 (OP)
how many americans will be effected by this?

>>106226658
i used dial up from 1999 to 2006. i wouldn't say i hated it, because it was all i had, and dial up internet is better than no internet. but it didn't take me long to learn about much, much faster connections that other people had, even in 1999 there were other places where dial up was old news. while there was nothing i couldn't do on the internet with dial up, websites were quickly expecting you to have something faster. by 2006 it was quite painful to use many sites and services

>>106226668
>Go try throttling your internet connection to 40kbits (yes, 56k modems rarely reached their maximum ever).
it's true, most of the time i got 5KiB/s, and got excited when a download hits 6KiB/s (48Kbps). i had a pretty good line and sometimes it would sync into the 50's, but never 56

honestly while i knew dial up hung around a long time, i didn't think you could still get it today. my home doesn't even have a POTS line these days

>>106226773
it's not even POTS vs. VoIP line now, everyone uses mobile phones

>>106227188
>A 56k modem connects at 56kbps
not unless you have a godlike line. that's the maximum theoretical speed, but it's variable and depends on your phone line and distance from your ISP. 48Kbps is more like what you'd expect from a typical line, less if you're rural.

>>106226658
I once watched a flash animation where the loading screen had a loading screen. Yes the animator mentioned that during the loading the loading screen.

>>106226646
I'm 71, actually

>>106226589 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsNaR6FRuO0

Dial up is the only thing available in my shitty rural town and I can't afford starlink or whatever it is called.

>>106231029
Oldest 4channer Ever, I salute you.

>>106231029
No fucking way. I'll suck my own cock if you provide proof.

>>106231299
No he isn't. That grandma who flashed her tits on /b/ twenty years ago for sure is in her 90s now.

>>106231329
we all know you'll do it anyway even without proof

>>106231473
Who would be the oldest active user on 4chan today?

>>106226589 (OP)
MSN still offers dial-up

>>106226773
>better audio
Liar.

>>106226643
>zoomers calling others zoomers and pretending to be "le tru oldfag", while blatantly outing themselves as clueless zoomie.

My friend, my comrade, my nigger - Dial-Up was for a long time the only easily available form of the Internet. It's hard to call it a dogshit thing when there was nothing better. It was especially true for small towns and rural areas that had no Internet line. There was no wifi and satellite Internet - if your house was not attached to Internet line, Dial-Up was the only option and if your house was not attached to phone line, well then fuck you.
You spoiled children probably can't even grasp the idea that moving data on physical media was for a very long time quicker and more reliable than downloading shit.

>>106226658
Because it wasn’t
I played Quake back then
Complaining about “low-ping bastards” (people on school/work ISDN or T1 lines) was commonplace
When everyone has 250ms ping, the one guy with 50ms ping is king unless he’s really bad
>>106226684
2400? Impressive. Newton modem aside, I started at 14.4 and went up from there
>>106227033
4chan is unusually lightweight
Now imagine a multi megabyte React app and its initial page load
Never mind hundreds or thousands of megabytes for software updates
You’d have to download software updates 24/7/365 and still probably be behind
>>106227172
I got about 5 kilobytes/sec down on v.90
>>106229865
ADSL only started appearing in like 1999 and only if your phone company was super on the ball and/or doing an early pilot program

>>106232323
> You spoiled children probably can't even grasp the idea that moving data on physical media was for a very long time quicker and more reliable than downloading shit.
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/17/aws-stops-selling-snowmobile-truck-for-cloud-migrations.html
https://aws.amazon.com/snowball/
Pity they don’t have a picture of modern snowballs

i'm glad it existed but also glad it's gone

>>106235048
Did you start that download in 2003?

>>106235080
if it was dial up i would have had to start it around the start of May for it to be this far along

>>106232010
Have you listened to the audio quality of landline phones lately? It's literally the same as it was 100 years ago with digital compression added to it. For some reason the telecom industry has never had any interest in upgrading it despite the fact that landlines are still widely used in business.

>>106232323
>You spoiled children probably can't even grasp the idea that moving data on physical media was for a very long time quicker and more reliable than downloading shit.
It's still quicker. I had to send 3TB to someone recently and it would've taken me 4 days to upload it to Google Drive (because it has a 750GB a day upload limit) and then another day or two for the other person to download it, when mailing a hard drive would've taken 2-3 days.

>>106235988
why upload it to a third party then download it again to a third computer?
this is something bittorrent is good at

>>106226628

THIS. dumb kids who didnt read the manual and learn how to set the AT codes to turn the speaker off.

>>106232323
>You spoiled children probably can't even grasp the idea that moving data on physical media was for a very long time quicker and more reliable than downloading shit.
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway

>>106237572
OH MY HECKIN' SOUL

>>106226589 (OP)
no amount of nostalgia will make me wish for dial up ever. when we got DSL in 2004 it was such a game changer i was happy to live in the future. fuck dial up

>>106226628
I learned how to do that only right before we switched to DSL. Would have been great to know that all the times I was sneaking online at 1am.

Anyone ever driving and just get a compulsion to absolutely pin the pedal to the floor and u kinda have to fight yourself to let off it

>>106226773
/thread

>>106226609
>b-but muh tranime Lain soun -ACK!

who?

>>106226589 (OP)
I grew up with dial-up after I had already tasted the glory of high-speed Internet and it sucked. I still remember coming home from school the day we finally got high-speed Internet, it was that exciting.

>>106232323
you are a retarded faggot and wrong, which isn't a surprise considering what a faggot retard you are

>>106226589 (OP)
Jokes on them, I'm running a secret clonechan that's only accessible via dial-up.

These days it must be pretty easy to create a dial-up provider for one, right?

I thought this entire market got eaten by netzero and subsequently turned into old people using cellular network adapters at home

>>106226643
>universally hated
Connecting was exciting. Yes, it was slow and your Macintosh Performa would choke for 2 minutes on simple HTML 4 webpages, but it was exciting.

>>106227172
>4kbps
4kB/s, not kbps. I think I even hit that on a 33.6k modem.

>ywn play AOL chatroom battlers again
im tired bros

>>106226658
we all knew some douche, on irc, with a t1 line to his home

>>106226589 (OP)
had no idea AOL still existed desu. im glad the world i lived in no longer exists. it was hell.

dialup was fine for text based stuff.
the communication/social shit was the best part of the 90s internet anyway

>>106246221
In the late 90s my only friends on IRC with something better than dial-up were people attending university and people that worked for some company and were sysops. Pretty much everyone I knew was stuck on dial-up until around 1998-1999. Anyone lucky enough to get broadband back then lived near a city center.

Where I lived the local town got cable and DSL service around mid-1999. But anyone outside of the city limits was stuck with dial-up until the late 2000s. The cable company refused to extend service to us and the telephone company refused to install repeaters in our local exchanges. I tried several times to talk the telephone company into at least attempting to let me sign up for aDSL and they flat out refused because I was just a bit outside of their limit on how many feet your house had to be from the central office.

We were on dial-up until 1999 then got ISDN in late 1999. Kept that until the late 2000s until the phone company stopped offering it. So we paid several thousand dollars to have the cable company extend the cable line to our business. They fucked us over of course. But last year the state ran fiber everywhere so now I have 2Gbps service for cheap while most everyone else I know is still stuck on cable or DSL. The DSL here is still offered but it's garbage. Can barely sustain 200kbps even if you're right next to the central office. The cable is down more often than it works and they want $200 a month for anything faster than 500Mbps. They also raise their price every 3 months and charge customers $10 a month for "wifi". 2Gbps fiber is $50 a month and they offer 1Gbps for $30. We're supposed to get the option to upgrade to 10Gbps soon.

>>106226589 (OP)
Congratulations, you noticed the unidirectional nature of the space-time continuum.

>>106226609
>demonic
Where do you faggots come from?

>>106226658
It being the only option anyone but richfags and corporations could use doesn't mean it didn't suck.
>slow
>get a phone call? lose internet
>also lose any and all progress on any download when that happens
inb4 some spoiled rich kid asks "why not just buy a second phone line for the dialup connection"
>slow
>damn slow
>even with a 56k modem, you aren't getting to watch that realplayer video or listen to that audio stream without it failing in some horrid manner
The only lack of suckage was that the only points of comparison you had was the data transfer rates from a floppy disk or CD.

I had per hour pricing for dialup, it was expensive and 33k at first.