Thread 459488

Should I learn Photoshop or Illustrator first?
I know both are practically essential, but which is better to learn first?

>>459488 (OP)
What do you want to learn it for?
I would say photoshop if you want just to fuck around. Illustrator if you want to be a graphic designer, but you would need to learn both.
Either way, the most important thing is learn how to think with them. You need what you want to do, then use the tool to do it. Imagine like if you were given those huge toolboxes and somebody told you "now you can fix anything in your home". Without knowing what to do with them or what to use for, it is as good as a paper weight. Same goes to ps/ai

>>459488 (OP)
may as well start with pixels

Anyone looking for free website and logo design, im tryna find clients for my agency

You kind of need both, depending on what you do. Unless you're a like photographer or digital painter, the vector graphics due to scaling and being applicable everywhere, - those assets and the multi-page projects (put together in Illustrator, XD, Figma, Sketch, InDesign etc.) will be fundamentally more important in UI and print design than what specifically you use for freehand sketches and cropping, retouching and smudging up some stock photos (in Photoshop, Affinity Photo, Krita etc.) you insert in those vector projects. Websites are almost entirely vector graphics, - scalable, responsive typographic layouts with SVG vector icons. Vectors for most part are more boring, methodical and tedious to learn and do well though, but that's ure job.

>>459488 (OP)
Illustrator is my go to but you will need to know how to use photoshop as well.

>>459488 (OP)
kinda boils down to what you like id say. if you want to fuck with pictures learn photoshop. if you like drawing learn illustrator

>>459694
illustrator is for typographic layouts and painstakingly vectorizing/constructing things (drawn in photoshop) more so than freehand drawing, unless you mean like in a sense of technical drawing, schematics etc.

>>459488 (OP)
PS first, but make sure to learn the pen tool in it.

Then start learning Illustrator.

>>459488 (OP)
In school we learned Photoshop before Illustrator and after Illustrator we learned InDesign. I'm pretty sure there's a reason we learned them in this order, I just cannot express it as well as my instructors would.

>>459488 (OP)
They are very , very different. As in: it doesn't matter which one you learn first.

Unless you know what you're trying to do, the. You should start with the best tool for your case.

>>459488 (OP)
Those are different applications with different approaches and use cases. It really depends on your goals.

Photoshop works best with pixels and has its strength in image editing.
Illustrator is a vector-based program and is used to create scalable graphics.

If you are diving into graphic design in general and have no specific task in mind yet, I'd suggest to start with Photoshop first, because it also has some vector features and is more versatile overall.

>>459488 (OP)
Photoshop, you can do vectors in both but only rasters in photoshop

>>459488 (OP)
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>>462352
HELLO EVERYONE, new guy here, why not Inkscape and GIMP?

Sincerely,
Pinky

>>462356
hello Pinky,

the project file format interoperability e.g. inkscape does not support importing and auto updating gimp project format file (you can import psd sketches from photoshop into illustrator). affinity is even better at this because it's equivalent of .psd and .ai is the same format.

inkscape is also crashes very frequently on basic shit after 20 or whatever years of development e.g. it freaks out when you group or try to ask mask to existing object groups and select some of the child elements in the group. or crashes when you export a jpeg specifically.

inkscape relies on svg format which unlike .ai lacks
- typographic layout concepts like.. paragraphs
- various art-brush things that illustrator has

inkscape svg is not a standard in printing industry. does it even support cmyk? i forgot, but who cares because Adobe proprietary shit loaded EPS/AI/PDF is the defacto standard

about GIMP.. i can use photoshop, affinity, krita, corel paint, paint shop pro from like 2000 but the Gimp GUI is just frustrating to deal with

Krita is almost the same as Photoshop these days, but it has no accompanying FOSS equivalent for vector graphics....

>>462361
Gimp's UI/UX is getting better and better.

And the GIMP team announced they will focus on it.

>>459488 (OP)
why would you learn this shit if there are NO jobs. Go into healthcare or trade deadass

>>462589
You can easily do both, is also a lot of fun almost like painting or drawing, very fulfilling with a low barrier entry, I would do it even if no one pays me. Is also is useful for a lot of different jobs.