Thread 29279341 - /gif/

Anonymous
8/11/2025, 2:05:30 PM No.29279341
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Does size matter?
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 2:06:04 PM No.29279342
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 2:07:41 PM No.29279346
post 3 faggot
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 2:11:17 PM No.29279355
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 2:11:57 PM No.29279361
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 3:01:20 PM No.29279544
>>29279341 (OP)
Yes, as in if its too big it won't fit and you'll have trouble getting and staying hard without viagra
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 3:03:54 PM No.29279551
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>>29279544
Dicklet cope
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AnonymousAtheist
8/11/2025, 3:15:19 PM No.29279586
>>29279341 (OP)
Yes, size does matter, too small and it can not penetrate the holes, too big and it causes more pain than pleasure
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 3:22:38 PM No.29279615
>>29279586
/thread
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 3:48:47 PM No.29279708
>>29279341 (OP)
Of course it does. If you're closer to average and not at the extremes of too small or too big, you're good.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 4:01:58 PM No.29279748
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>>29279708
Average is small
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 4:03:28 PM No.29279754
Girth matters more than length. A fat 5 incher will please women more than a 7 inch pencil
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 4:05:57 PM No.29279761
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>>29279754
Cope dicklet. There are pleasure zones deep inside the vagina that can only be reached by long dicks
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 4:09:08 PM No.29279772
fag here
only those under 5.5 inches were a disappointment
the big ones have an advantage of getting you excited just by looking at them but performance is everything
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 4:11:29 PM No.29279780
>>29279341 (OP)
For penetration: ideal is thick and 8-9 inches long
For blowjobs - the bigger the better. Women get crazy wet sucking monster cocks. They want to be raped and destroyed by monsters, the whores. They want invasive sperm cells of brutes in their guts.
I have an 8 incher with good thickness and that's probably the best lenght to have.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 4:16:18 PM No.29279807
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>>29279780
You can't tell me having a big thick cock is not the best thing in the world
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 4:22:59 PM No.29279839
>>29279807
It's the only thing women are envious of
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 4:29:45 PM No.29279856
>>29279341 (OP)
Yes, but only to size queens and faggots.
Congrats OP, you have once again proven your faggotry.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 4:38:54 PM No.29279889
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>>29279856
Every woman is a size queen
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 4:52:16 PM No.29279949
>>29279761
>cope dicklet
>has bwc porn downloaded on his computer
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 4:57:00 PM No.29279968
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>>29279949
Stick to BBC threads then, cuck
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 5:45:11 PM No.29280131
>>29279341 (OP)
Helps, by no means critical to successful sex. Work on endurance and foreplay, and you'll be good. My GF even after 3 years feels alot of pain if I bottom out, she prefers 3-5 inch strokes.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 5:46:31 PM No.29280140
>>29279355
who
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Oldfag
8/11/2025, 6:15:07 PM No.29280265
REAL TALK
Married for 10 years, since early 20's.
I had 7.0 to 7.75inches for the first few years, no girth though. My penis was too long and actually made sex a challenge for me to fully enjoy with her unless her menstrual cycle lined up exactly with a particularly good date/week and no stress from busy life. Kinda sucked only getting to use 2/3rds of me, slow, and careful not to hit the cervix at the wrong angle at any moment.

A few years later, she made our kid but needed just a little snip episiotomy to pass baby's head like a real woman. Doctors were too hasty, Queen only need two pushes once the head hormonally descended past cervix and into vaginal canal. She now has stinging pain where the student doctor put a few stitches afterwards. Today, we can't do anything at too acute of an angle to that one side of her vagina without lidocaine numbing it, some always gets on my dick too- and stfu about condoms. So think, like no mating press, no real froggy style where the girl goes fully face down and ass up, and while she can still ride me, she can't lean back and ride straight up and down like a confident equestrian should.

Thanfully I did more recently turn 32, got pudgy fat +20lbs, SNRI meds, and now my 6.0-6.7inch peen has actually helped our handicapped love life more than hurt it. My wife's ideal penis, strictly from a physical standpoint, would be 4 inches long and maybe a little girthier than my average twig but above average length.
Free cope material:
Maybe fucking average is average for a reason.

So there... everyone is different and maybe the actual character of your penis, and the vagina(s) it loves, are also in an edaptable relationship. Then consider that love making is like 70% more about romantic connection to the average woman... don't fucking worry about the size itself unless your shit is truly micro, like sub 3 inches or burried.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 6:42:33 PM No.29280375
>>29280265
I'm in about the same boat. 6ish and of the 30ish women I've been with in my life no complaints about size that ever got back to me at least... and multiple times I've had to be careful of position to not hit the cervix wrong or go too deep because it hurt... overall I'd say so long as a person is average size and not a complete virgin trying to please a size queen it doesn't really matter to much
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 7:57:53 PM No.29280710
>>29279341 (OP)
sauce
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 8:08:41 PM No.29280750
>>29279341 (OP)
taylor night
>>29279342 >>29279807
clxwnxgxrl
>>29279761
baked daddy
>>29279968
felix jones
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 8:10:31 PM No.29280758
>>29279807
>You can't tell me having a big thick cock is not the best thing in the world

It ain't if the only thing it can pull is that fugly gnome
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 8:20:57 PM No.29280797
>>29279341 (OP)
My wife has outright told me she only likes the first two inches of my dick, the rest hurts her or doesn't improves her pleasure at all
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 8:56:42 PM No.29280944
Im a bisexual guy. I love playing with and sucking big dicks but when it comes time for them to fuck me, im not a fan of big ones. I've came hands free from anal from a guy with 3.5" hard and it was awesome. Best sex ever with a guy was a guy who was 6.5 and pretty thick.

My gf is petite and likes all sizes. Im 5" hard and average girth and still have to enter her slowly. She dated a black guy before me and she said his dick was 1.5 times the size of mine but not girthy. She fucked 2 guys in a weekend before dating that guy, one was :huge" and didnt make her cum but she liked it. Other one was average and made her cum a few times. Eventually had a fwb situation with him.

In short, size doesn't matter for me. Kinda does for my gf
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 9:11:53 PM No.29281022
>>29279551
OP, you're a dicklet too like 100% of 4chan users
Stop being self hating
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 9:18:18 PM No.29281043
>>29279341 (OP)
The kind of women who cares about cock size is the kind of women you don't want to have any kind of relationship. Common, family-oriented, well raised women won't give a shit about the size of you cock, as long as you don't have a micropenis, which is a health problem.

Now if you're into gay or tranny shit, then you need to care about the size of your cock, because 95% of them are degenerated fucks and they will care.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 9:18:39 PM No.29281045
>>29279968
God damn idiot hung up the map section all crooked and just left it.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 9:22:13 PM No.29281068
i just wish i had more girth personally. according to shit i've read over the years i should be fine with a little over 7"x5" but i can't help feeling super thin whenever i fap and look down. being 5.5"+ girth i probably wouldn't have ever worried about dick size in my entire life. i know my length is fine but i can never mentally get past my girth insecurity and i think the only thing that could ease it is having sex at this point.

t. permavirgin
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 9:24:30 PM No.29281087
Girls might have preferences but usually feelings override that preferences. Just like if you prefer big boobs but if you jive with a girl and she has medium boobs you will probably continue dating her.

Also note that gay culture invented the term "size queen"(queen originally referring to a gay dude).

I'm a dicklet(3.5" hard) and lots of girls have mocked my tiny dick but I was never broken up with by any of them and they all cried when I broke up with them, so who knows l
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 9:25:40 PM No.29281095
>>29281087
that's way above dicklet tier that's a micro penis m8. there's no way you're that small.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 9:32:37 PM No.29281144
>>29281095
I didnt realize there were dicklet tiers. My dick pic is actually on the English Wikipedia page for micropenis (not the first one, the pic under "causes" section). You can leave a message on my talk page and I'll confirm user lm333 is me. I will also upload some gifs of girls jacking/sucking me off later today
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 9:42:25 PM No.29281191
>>29281144
Based
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 9:44:40 PM No.29281199
>>29281087
I mog you at 4" kek
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 9:52:41 PM No.29281229
>>29281144
i mean i'd classify anything below 5" as extremely small and outlier tier, at least in the west. i think the vast majority of men in the west are at least 6"x5", with 6"-7"x5"-5.5" probably covering the vast majority of non asian/jeet western men.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 9:59:34 PM No.29281260
>>29281229
That's a cope. Most western men are about 5", but you can find many under that.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:03:44 PM No.29281280
>>29281260
>Most western men are about 5"
i don't believe this at all. maybe if we're going by older overweight men who have lots covered in fat but i genuinely think if every young man was a healthy weight the average would be far larger. every western woman under the sun claims to have been with more than a few men who are 7"x5.5" or bigger so either these guys get around a lot or the average isn't as small as we think. even at 7.25"x5.1" i barely crack above average according to calcsd western stats.
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joe
8/11/2025, 10:12:08 PM No.29281321
>>29281087
i am smaller than you....
2.7 inches here when fully hard
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:15:53 PM No.29281348
>>29279754
How thick we talking?
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:19:15 PM No.29281367
>>29281348
nta but based on what i've read you won't get any complaints at 5.5"+ girth. closer to 7" girth is usually when it starts becoming too big for most women, but 5.5"-6.5" girth is probably the range that's most pleasurable for women.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:19:16 PM No.29281368
>>29279889
>Every woman is a size queen
No. Not even close to true.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:30:04 PM No.29281409
>>29281068
>i just wish i had more girth personally. according to shit i've read over the years i should be fine with a little over 7"x5" but i can't help feeling super thin whenever i fap and look down. being 5.5"+ girth i probably wouldn't have ever worried about dick size in my entire life. i know my length is fine but i can never mentally get past my girth insecurity and i think the only thing that could ease it is having sex at this point.
>t. permavirgin
With 5.5" girth, you are a full inch bigger than the western average, and .5" bigger than what women claim to be the ideal partner. Either you don't know how to measure and/or porn has destroyed your brain. I'm just under 6" girth and pretty much every women I've been with has mentioned it. My wife calls it the jaw breaker. So...you don't know what you're talking about.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:31:35 PM No.29281415
>>29281367
....shit
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:34:26 PM No.29281426
>>29279761
This is such a strange fixation that some men have developed. Youโ€™re basically a cock obsessed faggot.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:42:32 PM No.29281469
>>29279341 (OP)
I see this tired thread is making its regular rounds. Someone must have a case of the Mondays.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:50:48 PM No.29281502
idk if i was measuring wrong or shrunk but i thought i was bigger.

6.2 inches long, 4.25 girth.

is that too thin
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:53:01 PM No.29281509
>>29281367
lol gtfo, my dick girth is 5 3/8 and literally every woman ive slept with (17) has commented on how thick it is.

5.5-6.5 in girth are both in extreme outlier territory
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:53:20 PM No.29281511
>>29281409
wow a dude talking from a place of privilege who's never had to worry about his size telling an average girth man he's wrong. really surprising stuff. reminds me of the tall dudes who say height doesn't matter.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:53:41 PM No.29281512
>>29281469
Dicklet cope
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:54:34 PM No.29281515
>>29281509
>5.5-6.5 in girth are both in extreme outlier territory
sure thing. that's why every western woman has had more than a couple of hookups and bfs around that size. definitely man. suuuper rare lol.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:56:51 PM No.29281524
>>29281426
like two generations of women have universally shamed men who aren't huge down there, and praise and seek out sexually successful hung outliers and this is the outcome yes.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:57:13 PM No.29281525
>>29281502
>idk if i was measuring wrong or shrunk but i thought i was bigger.
>6.2 inches long, 4.25 girth.
>is that too thin
4.5" girth is the western average. Your fine with 99%of women.

The only people who get that granular about penis size are degenerate faggots, and the brain damaged fag hags who socialize with them.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:58:17 PM No.29281527
>>29281515
lol, girl math. Just like they've all had exs with 9" dicks too
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 10:58:25 PM No.29281529
>>29281525
>4.5" girth is the western average.
including elderly men and men with ED sure. young sexually active men are definitely nowhere near that thin.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:00:58 PM No.29281542
>>29281515
>sure thing. that's why every western woman has had more than a couple of hookups and bfs around that size. definitely man. suuuper rare lol.
That's just not true. That's like saying every woman has dated a 6'8 man. It's fucking stupid. The math is the math and a normal distribution is a normal distribution. Less than 2 men in a thousand will have 6"+ girth. Porn has absolutely destroyed the minds of most virgin nerds.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:01:28 PM No.29281545
>>29281524
Youโ€™re obsessed with what women have to say. You are a faggot.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:01:39 PM No.29281546
I'm a 5'7 white manlet, with a slightly below average cock for my race (just barely flirting with 6 inches, and about 4.5-5" girth). So I'm way below average height, but not much below average cock size - it actually looks borderline impressive on my frame.

But I dated a girl who was about 5'2 100lbs who had the tightest vagina ever. We were a really small, slight couple, basically a perfect physical match. Except the thing is... her pussy was so tight it often hurt me. I don't want to sound ungrateful, but it was honestly the worst feeling pussy I've ever encountered.


After we broke up, I literally wondered... what is this bitch gonna do now? Date somebody even smaller than me?! If my little dicklet was too much for her, what does that mean for the other guys?
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:02:07 PM No.29281548
>>29281527
plenty of average guys get no comments, or women who say they're used to bigger. don't know what to tell you. it's always the privileged dudes with huge dicks who have always had lots of effortless sex around here that tell men who are rightfully insecure thanks to sky high modern female standards that they're wrong. so ridiculous.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:02:41 PM No.29281550
It depends on how in to you she is, that's the biggest factor
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:03:30 PM No.29281554
>>29281542
>Less than 2 men in a thousand will have 6"+ girth.
so what does that say about modern women if they've all experienced fucking a man that size? how is that not demoralizing if you don't measure up?
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:04:04 PM No.29281558
>>29281546
For your eight, you're swinging an absolute hammer.

Your dick is above average.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:04:12 PM No.29281560
>>29279968
Where is all this guys hair
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:04:43 PM No.29281562
>>29281529
>including elderly men and men with ED sure. young sexually active men are definitely nowhere near that thin.
No, dummy. The studies were done on sexually healthy, adult males no older than 45. It's shocking to me how many retards don't understand basic statistical concepts. Fatmerican, retard mutts.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:07:10 PM No.29281572
>>29279341 (OP)
>Does size matter?
Yes, my dick is not that big so having a giant pussy is a bit of an issue. It's fuckin crazy what people do just to have hotdog hallway sex
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:08:21 PM No.29281582
>>29281548
I'm not sure what your point is. I'm saying my dick, at less than 5.5" girth, has been universally described as very thick and sometimes painful.

This isn't a brag, it's me trying to point out how full of shit the people on here suggesting a dick should be 5.5-6.5" in girth are.

You don't ave to have a dick as big as a white claw to make a women happy.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:10:31 PM No.29281590
>>29281582
>I'm saying my dick, at less than 5.5" girth, has been universally described as very thick and sometimes painful.
you do realize that women... lie to stroke men's egos right? since men are significantly bigger and stronger so they don't want them to get angry or upset. sub 5.5" girth is average and not special.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:10:58 PM No.29281594
>>29281542
you do the math some more it might make sense.. let's say only 50% of girls are fuckable, only 50% of them are legal, only 50% of those girls are whores. So that's 125 women for every two guys with chodes. So those guys need to bang minimum 62.5 women to math it. My cousin had a chode, coincidentally his number was precisely 62.5
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:11:24 PM No.29281596
>>29281590
You want, so badly, to hate yourself.

Who am I to stop you.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:13:22 PM No.29281603
>>29281596
inflated modern female standards made me hate myself yeah. doesn't help that plenty of them proudly say they'd rather stay single and hookup with chad as his side chick than settle as well.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:13:39 PM No.29281605
I'm bi, and once hooked up with a guy who was 6.5 x 6.5.

Compared to my 4.5 x 4, it literally felt like I was holding something completely different in my hands. Like we weren't even same species or something lol
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:13:45 PM No.29281607
>>29281590
girls can definitely get hurt if they haven't had a big dick in a minute. You can't just shove a giant chode up ur pussy n call it a day. My ex had a chode before me but I also hurt her the first time we had sex in a while
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:14:07 PM No.29281612
>>29279341 (OP)
Yes and no. Yes they like it big but not all the time. The bad news is theyre cheating with bigger and smaller guys it doesnt matter>>29279355
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:14:20 PM No.29281613
>>29281603
Wait I don't get it what do you win if she cums?
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:15:10 PM No.29281617
Yes. Little dick losers should lock their pathetic "cocks" for real men.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:15:26 PM No.29281618
>>29281603
It's going to get worse too. Prepare for "8x6" rhetoric along the same lines as "6 ft, 6 figures, 6 pack" etc
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:15:39 PM No.29281621
>>29280140
Meg Vicious
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:17:09 PM No.29281630
>>29281280
>every western woman under the sun claims to have been with more than a few men who are 7"x5.5" or bigger
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you but this is the most unreliable measurement possible lol
Women have no idea how to judge size and men will typically tell a chick he's a little bigger than he actually is
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:18:15 PM No.29281635
>>29281590
>sub 5.5" girth is average and not special.
lol Gay retard can't math.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:19:18 PM No.29281638
>>29281607
wow a girl just so happens to get with two seemingly rare guys with big girth. i thought big girth was supposed to be rare?

>>29281613
fwb benefits or the privilege of actually dating her and not getting ghosted because you don't measure up to her past fucks.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:19:48 PM No.29281642
>>29281630
I had a chick tell me my dick was at least 7.5" and could not convinced that it was just under 6 until i pulled a ruler out and showed her.

Women are terrible at estimating size. That combined with a little bragging and I absolutely believe there are tons of women saying they've been fucked by these enormous dicks.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:20:36 PM No.29281647
>>29281635
pretty much universally agreed that "thick" starts at 5.5" girth.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:21:39 PM No.29281652
>>29281647
lol, no.

Maybe online, not when it's inside them.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:22:15 PM No.29281657
Pretty much everyone is lying about their dick size.

>t. gay
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:24:25 PM No.29281664
>>29281657
i'm brutally as honest and as accurate as possible. maybe that's why i'm so demoralized when everyone is claiming to be huge and fucking tons of women online. if i ever lost my virginity and a bitch called me big i would swiftly correct her and tell her i am long with average girth. not big. dumb bitch.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:27:43 PM No.29281677
>>29281647
>pretty much universally agreed that "thick" starts at 5.5" girth
First of all, gay retard, saying "sub 5.5"" includes everything from 0" to 5.999". So... you're a dipshit. Second, the western average is about 4.5". Accordingly, anything bigger is above average, you dumb cocksucker. I get it. You hang out with other size obsessed dick riders and their fag hag groupies. It makes sense that your idea of what is "pretty much universally agreed" to is what math challenged faggots and retarded fag hags think. LMAO.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:31:07 PM No.29281691
>>29281677
>Second, the western average is about 4.5"
calcsd says 4.74" girth is the western average and even then i think that's a low guess considering plenty of women think 5" girth is too thin. you need to be close to 6" girth to be considered big or an outlier by western standards according to calcsd.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:34:48 PM No.29281712
>>29281647
>pretty much universally agreed that "thick" starts at 5.5" girth.
9 out of 10 HIV+ fairies also universally agreed that long starts at 8". Even though about .002% of western men have dicks bigger than that. Faggots and fag hags have no idea what they are talking about. It really is that simple.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:35:47 PM No.29281721
>>29281712
i think 8" length is genuinely huge. most women would prefer 7"x6".
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:38:32 PM No.29281739
>>29281691
>plenty of women think 5" girth is too thin.
lol "plenty" huh? You fucking idiot... I could explain why that girth average is much more likely to be an overestimate than an underestimate but I think it would break your pretty little brain.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:40:55 PM No.29281752
>>29281739
just going by what i've read over the past decade plus online. dickflation is definitely a thing. it's silly to consider yourself big nowadays if you're not a huge outlier.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:41:53 PM No.29281756
>>29281752
Look out, we got a dickologist over here
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:43:44 PM No.29281769
>>29281721
>most women would prefer 7"x6".
lol Just not true. In several published studies, when selecting from various sized dildos to choose their ideal partner size, the overwhelming majority of women chose a 6" x 4.5 dildo.
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Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:44:02 PM No.29281771
>>29281657

That's what I love about older daddies on gay apps, they have huge girthy boomer cocks and still identify as small. Just the fattest dick you've ever seen, and they've still been conditioned to think it's not enough.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:44:45 PM No.29281776
>>29281752
>it's silly to consider yourself big nowadays if you're not a huge outlier.
Only if you frequent bath houses.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:44:46 PM No.29281777
>>29281756
yeah when modern women are obsessed with size and you don't measure up well enough one tends to be overly obsessed with insecurities like size.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:47:57 PM No.29281791
No. Attitude and audacity matters
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:48:27 PM No.29281794
>>29281769
there's a difference between a dildo and a real dick.
Anonymous
8/11/2025, 11:55:52 PM No.29281834
Most women don't want monster dongs. This is especially true when selecting for long term mates. That's just a fact. Your average dick is fine. You want to know what shirt to wear to a wine tasting party or what kind of poppers loosen your sphincter the quickest? Ask a faggot. For anything else, just avoid. You're welcome.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:02:13 AM No.29281862
>>29281834
>Most women don't want monster dongs.
funny how the men who usually say this have huge dicks and lots of sex with lots of women... i wonder what the point of this sort of size gaslighting is. it reminds me of when women say size doesn't matter but girth does.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:15:08 AM No.29281910
I used to think so, and for some it probably does. Ultimately it comes down to the girl; my current girl can cum super easily from penetration alone, zero clit stimulation. I'm an utterly average 6 and a half inches with average girth. Others I've been with have gotten nothing out of penetration, be it my dick or a big dildo. I think shape must play a part as well, my dick has a bit of an upwards curve, which she says is the opposite of her ex who couldn't make her cum as easily via penetration.

And this is coming from a literal autist who is vehemently against any kind of lying, no matter how small, so I'm confident it's not just bullshitting to make me feel good or whatever. Quick to tell me if I'm doing something wrong in her quest to cum.
Replies: >>29281918
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:18:24 AM No.29281918
>>29281910
>utterly average 6 and a half inches
lol

Jesus Christ...porn has addled all of your fucking brains. Are people this fucking dim when it comes to height distribution?
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:19:33 AM No.29281923
I've measured myself a few times with a tailor's tape, and my length is 19.5cm or 7.677 inches long and my girth is 14.5cm or 5.7 inches long, but it doesn't look that impressive in a picture. How does one take better dick pics?

>>29281691
In a room of 1000 men 5.5 inches would make you thicker than nearly 90% of the men in that room.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:20:06 AM No.29281926
>>29281918
I am an utterly average 6'4".

You're all porn addled retards.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:21:38 AM No.29281931
>>29281918
> Erect the average length ranged from 12 to 16 centimetres (4.7 to 6.3 inches).
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:22:26 AM No.29281935
>>29281923
what's your point? the guys your size are clearly fucking around the most while the rest of us get the resentful leftovers. people will say huge dicks are rare then we'll have endless threads of dudes with huge dicks who have fucked a lot of women. i don't know what that is supposed to do besides demoralize men who aren't huge.
Replies: >>29281947
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:23:38 AM No.29281942
>>29281926
yeah, women would think 6'4" is merely adequate.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:24:44 AM No.29281947
>>29281935
why would you get demoralized? it doesnt fucking matter, bro. the only women who give a shit are the type to be getting wasted every weekend and brag about body count. same goes for height, for that matter. Its only an issue 1. you let it or 2. you're an extreme case with like a literal micropenis and standing at 5 foot 2.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:25:47 AM No.29281955
>>29281947
>it doesnt fucking matter, bro.
looks don't matter, says the man who's exceedingly handsome and never has to worry about looks.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:27:33 AM No.29281965
>>29281931
>> Erect the average length ranged from 12 to 16 centimetres (4.7 to 6.3 inches).
Re read that, then kys.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:28:08 AM No.29281970
>>29281955
they don't to the degree that incels make out. they obviously do make a difference, but to the point of getting zero bitches? absolutely not. not unless you're literally nosferatu. and even then there'll be some bitch out there willing. your mentality of it being over before its even started though? absolutely guaranteed to fuck you over.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:29:09 AM No.29281977
>>29281965
whats your problem bro? you rocking a 3 inch punisher or something?
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:29:30 AM No.29281982
>>29281970
>your mentality of it being over before its even started though?
women are literally the ones telling nonchad men to not fucking bother dating or approaching. yeah the dude with a giant dick wouldn't get it though. i also wouldn't have any insecurities in your shoes.
Replies: >>29281996
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:31:08 AM No.29281990
I think both things are true - most healthy men have bigger dicks than you think, and a 5 inch pecker can absolutely please a woman.

I say this as a bi guy who play sports and was in many locker rooms and inspected many dicks. I was always the smallest guy on the team physically, but did see smaller dicks than my own. But I also saw dicks that were like twice the size of mine.

Picture a healthy, decently handsome white guy, roughly 5'10-6'3 in height. You know what I mean, the kind of men that women go for on dating apps. These men have 6-8 inch cocks. Average is being driven down by other races, manlets, and fat guys - but it doesn't change the fact that 5 inches can do the job for 90% of women. She will have seen bigger, but as long as that doesn't bother you, you can make her cum and keep her happy.
Replies: >>29282019 >>29282038
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:32:06 AM No.29281996
>>29281982
no they aren't, not in real life you fuckin autist. and my shoes? dude i work for fuckin ALDI, i'm overweight, ginger, and my cock is 6 inches. there is nothing about me that someone else doesn't do better. just don't be a piece of shit trying to fuck bar sluts and you'll do fine.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:33:54 AM No.29282010
>>29281977
>whats your problem bro? you rocking a 3 inch punisher or something?
Angry inch, bro.

The stupidity hurts. If we were talking about any other kind of normal distribution here, I suspect it wouldn't be this ridickulous (sp. Intended). But you start talking about dicks, and everyone becomes fucking retarded. It's bizarre.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:37:41 AM No.29282019
>>29281990
>Picture a healthy, decently handsome white guy, roughly 5'10-6'3 in height. You know what I mean, the kind of men that women go for on dating apps. These men have 6-8 inch cocks.
LMAO

Bath house world. Where ever man is at least 6'4" and shredded, and every dick is at least 8".
Replies: >>29282055
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:41:06 AM No.29282038
>>29281990
i am white and 5'10" with a 7.25"x5.1" dick and it looks utterly average and unremarkable on my frame no matter the angle. i would need to be significantly thicker for it to look big on me at least. also women want nothing to do with me and i'll most likely die a virgin. girth is so much more important than length and my genetics gave me shit girth for my length as a joke i think.
Replies: >>29282048
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:41:44 AM No.29282040
>>29281582
I really think its up to the girl

mullato women are hoes for some reason and want bigger than 7, most other women unless theyre really fat dont care if its 7"

thats all I know

also hot leggy blonde women are cunty about size too unless theyre short and lie about taking it

>>29281617
youre a creepy fag

>>29281721
out of the ones I dated most dont care so long as you use it well, there are a few hoes though, and some that enjoy it more than others

of course i wanna bigger one but I know Im at least above average
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:44:35 AM No.29282048
>>29282038
You don't have a 7.25" dick. I can say this with a high degree of confidence. Less confident about your girth measurement but you're likely exaggerating that too.
Replies: >>29282072
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:45:54 AM No.29282055
>>29282019
I mean, I guess a hockey dressing room is like a bath house in a way...

It's also typically physically larger, healthier men that play the sport. I'm not saying everyone there was a 6'4 Chad, but they just have big health dicks, man. It's just the truth.

That's all I'm saying: 6 foot tall men that are lean and muscular do typically have 6-8 inch cocks. Chad is not a mythical creature. Healthy white boys have big dicks, and you have to learn to cope with it. Again, you don't need a huge dick to please a woman. But if the girl you're interested in is part of a friends group with handsome, fit young men - she's seen big dicks.
Replies: >>29282100
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:46:22 AM No.29282059
it does suck knowing that hotter women have mostly seen and been with 8"+ and have seen a bigger one than a 7"

it does suck but what can you do?

that said, most women dnt have perfect tits or ass either so Im sure theres some as insecure as men about their parts
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:49:03 AM No.29282072
>>29282048
i do. i'm measuring the way calcsd and most professional studies say to as accurately as possible, i have a little over half an inch fatpad and press lightly when measuring bonepressed, and i'm measuring girth midshaft with no gaps in the tape. i have anxiety and have measured countless times throughout the years. why would i lie about having a long disproportionate pencil dick? surely i would just say i have thicker girth instead of average.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:55:38 AM No.29282100
>>29282055
>I mean, I guess a hockey dressing room is like a bath house in a way...
Faggot, please...you've been in a hockey locker room in your fantasies.

Here's my truth. I played DII college basketball (big fucking whoop. I agree). Real stats --I'm 6'3". I have an erect bone pressed length of just under 7.25". I have an erect girth of just under 6" ( maybe a 1/16 of an inch under. Now here's the real experience... I've had many women tell me I'm the biggest they've ever had. I've had many complain about my girth. Several women estimated my dick at 10" lol.

The point is this. I don't have some giant porn cock but many many women thought that I did. I am above average in length and very above average in girth. In the locker rooms I was actually in in high school and college, everyone is most certainly NOT packing 8" or more. It's ridiculous. The distributions are what they are. Porn has utterly destroyed people's ideas about penis size. Most especially women and faggots. Don't listen to either.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:57:34 AM No.29282106
I mean, my schmeat is 6 inches (the tip hits right at 7 if I bone press it, since I'm fat) and 5 inch or so girth. If it really mattered to the few partners I've had, they didn't mention it at the time. If I got to fuck, it clearly wasn't a deal breaker.

Porn, even when using the same 20 dudes for 20 years, has warped the perception of penis size, anyway. The women you'll meet irl are just as dumb as the men, and probably thing "its gotta be 12 inches or nothing, lol". Then, when they meed the 4" dude who just knows how to fuck, they flock to reddit to talk about their surprise. Just live, man.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:59:10 AM No.29282114
>>29282100
>I don't have some giant porn cock
6" girth is top 1% girth and is absolutely enormous girth.
Sage
8/12/2025, 1:02:39 AM No.29282131
Bunch of faggots in this thread arguing about cock sizes.
Replies: >>29282152
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:06:49 AM No.29282151
>>29282100
I don't think you realize that you're reinforcing my point.

I literally said that healthy young men have 6-8 inch cocks. You are apparently 6'3 tall with 7.25 and good girth? That's a good white boy size. Right in that exact range. 95% of this thread would kill to have those measurements.

I'm trying to help the non-whites and manlets in this thread recognize that their minds are not lying to them. Guys with 7 inches like yourself are out there, and it's really not that rare. Having 5 inches is not average unless you look globally and account for unhealthy/low test men, genetic anomalies, or other generally smaller races.

But I'm also trying to say that 5 inches is still a decent amount of meat to stuff inside a woman. You're not big, never going to be her biggest, but it's still more than enough to give her shaking O's if used correctly.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:06:52 AM No.29282152
>>29282131
Come on man ... it's a slow monday
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:09:12 AM No.29282163
>>29282151
>6" girth is just "good" girth by today's standards
lol

then you wonder why men are insecure.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:15:13 AM No.29282186
all these threads do is reinforce my worldview that nowadays if you're not objectively huge you're small and undesirable, and if you're wondering if you're too thin or tiny then it's because you absolutely are.
Replies: >>29282208
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:20:40 AM No.29282208
>>29282186
What a bitch made worldview. There are millions of women who are just as insecure about their bodies out there and you pass by them every day. All you have to do is smile and not be retarded, and you'll do just fine.
Replies: >>29282216
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:21:59 AM No.29282209
>>29279341 (OP)
I can't believe how many retards actually believe anything more than 8 inches is real. Even the biggest dicks in porn are like 8.5 inches, and they are anything but natural. No one has a 9 inch dick, if they do its no good. Realistically, 5 is whatever/small, 6 is ok, 7 is great, 8 is big to everyone. I have a girthy 6.5 inch and have been told its big, but its all bedroom talk so who knows. Never had any size problems. I think the ideal dick is 7.5x6 inches, big but doable for most women. I think I can make it to that with enough stretching :D
Replies: >>29282221 >>29282733 >>29284503
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:24:08 AM No.29282216
>>29282208
>There are millions of women who are just as insecure about their bodies out there
how is that relevant when they can all just easily fuck better looking and taller men than me with actual objectively big dicks. they share them even.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:25:36 AM No.29282221
>>29282209
>I think the ideal dick is 7.5x6 inches
that's still a top 1% dick size. all that text to just say what's been said this entire thread already. that women want huge dicks.
Replies: >>29282257 >>29282262
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:27:32 AM No.29282231
>>29282151
>I don't think you realize that you're reinforcing my point.
>I literally said that healthy young men have 6-8 inch cocks. You are apparently 6'3 tall with 7.25 and good girth? That's a good white boy size. Right in that exact range. 95% of this thread would kill to have those measurements.
>I'm trying to help the non-whites and manlets in this thread recognize that their minds are not lying to them. Guys with 7 inches like yourself are out there, and it's really not that rare. Having 5 inches is not average unless you look globally and account for unhealthy/low test men, genetic anomalies, or other generally smaller races.
>But I'm also trying to say that 5 inches is still a decent amount of meat to stuff inside a woman. You're not big, never going to be her biggest, but it's still more than enough to give her shaking O's if used correctly.
Because I'm not reinforcing your point. Every dude in the locker room was not packing some huge cock. There are showers and growers and you simply can't tell one from another by looking at flaccid dicks. My point is that the distributions are real. 5.5 x 4.5 is the average and 90% of dicks are a little smaller or a little bigger than this. It's no different than distributions for height or body fat percentage or foot size.

Women cannot judge dick size. Period. If they can get two hands on it and still see some dick, they think that's 10". lol

The distributions are what they are. If you are in the fat part of the bell curve, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. You can please any woman.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:31:03 AM No.29282248
im a virgin

what does sex feel like for a woman when the guy has a thin penis
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:32:32 AM No.29282257
>>29282221
well yeah, its not just dicks, everyone wants above average in all facets of life. the average woman is built like a fridge, does that mean you aren't allowed to want a fit body? of course not. i guess globally it is top 1% but if you remove the indians and asians its probably around 5-10%. just seeing a lot of people talk about 8+ inch dicks like they're normal. its like pretending millionaires are normal and everywhere.
Replies: >>29282286 >>29282298
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:33:14 AM No.29282262
>>29282221
>that's still a top 1% dick size. all that text to just say what's been said this entire thread already. that women want huge dicks.
Yes. And I'm telling you from experience that most women DO NOT want a dicks like that. I've had more complaints than compliments. My own wife has told me that she wishes I was a little smaller. And although girthy, I don't come anywhere close to a porn volume dick. The average size dick will please 95% of women.
Replies: >>29282298
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:36:54 AM No.29282286
>>29282257
>just seeing a lot of people talk about 8+ inch dicks like they're normal. its like pretending millionaires are normal and everywhere.
Pretty good analogy really. It's like saying most women have dated at least a few high net worth ($35 M and over) men. It simply CANNOT be true.
Replies: >>29282350
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:39:09 AM No.29282298
>>29282257
6" girth is the same rarity as 8" length and people are acting like that's normal and expected too.

>>29282262
you coming in here and acting like 6" girth isn't porn tier is the same as a guy going into a thread and feeling short at 6'4".
Replies: >>29282317
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:42:07 AM No.29282317
>>29282298
>you coming in here and acting like 6" girth isn't porn tier is the same as a guy going into a thread and feeling short at 6'4".

I'm not saying that. My girth is at the tail of the bell curve. My length is not. Most big porn cocks have outlier dimensions both length and girth. My length wouldn't come anywhere close to making the cut in big dick porn.
Replies: >>29282334
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:45:27 AM No.29282334
>>29282317
if you think 6.5"x6" isn't pornstar sized you're one of the most delusional people ITT and you're just here to brag.
Replies: >>29282351 >>29282767
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:49:48 AM No.29282350
>>29282286
Why? The big dick millionaires are fucking multiple women. if the top 1% of guys are fucking just 50 women each, thats all women.
Replies: >>29282368 >>29282369 >>29282644
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:49:54 AM No.29282351
>>29282334
>if you think 6.5"x6" isn't pornstar sized
It isn't. It's significantly bigger than average in girth only. My whole pont is that truly big dicks are exceedingly rare. Not everyone is walking around with 8" dicks. Porn features extreme outliers. It's like watching the NBA and feeling bad about yourself because you don't look like those guys. It's crazy.
Replies: >>29282414 >>29282767
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:53:55 AM No.29282368
>>29282350
>if the top 1% of guys are fucking just 50 women each, thats all women.
Just 50 women each? lol Jeff Bezos fucks a science experiment. Zuckerberg fucks a pan faced apple factory worker. The top 1% of earners have fucked all the women on earth? Listen to yourself.
Replies: >>29282374
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:53:57 AM No.29282369
>>29282350
2%*
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:55:16 AM No.29282374
>>29282368
What do you think the average big dicked millionaire's body count is?
Replies: >>29282411
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:01:22 AM No.29282411
>>29282374
>What do you think the average big dicked millionaire's body count is?
Well...first of all, I suspect that those two demos don't overlap to a great extent.

You think bill gates is packing the Big meat? The average decent looking rich dude probably has a lifetime body count between 15-50. Look at Trump. I honestly don't think he's fucked that many women. The average good looking bouncer has probably fucked significantly more women than the average high net worth guy. Simply because they're more selective.
Replies: >>29282428
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:02:00 AM No.29282414
>>29282351
you're a fucking moronic cunt. 6.5"x6" is top 3% size in the west on calcsd.

haven't been in a dick size thread on here in ages and they haven't changed at all. mostly just narcissistic extreme outliers who have always had plenty of sex telling rightfully insecure virgin men to not worry. i swear to god size discussion across the entire internet is just that. just huge sexually successful men bragging, and gaslighting insecure men. it's absolutely sickening and people like you are to blame as to why so many men are so fucked up and neurotic about size. you make me sick i hope you die an extremely painful and agonizing death. fuck you and everyone like you in size discussions internet wide. nothing but bullies.
Replies: >>29282445 >>29282767
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:03:06 AM No.29282428
>>29282411
>Trump hasn't fucked that many women
now you should listen to yourself
Replies: >>29282462
Jessica Biel
8/12/2025, 2:06:06 AM No.29282442
>>29279968
Sauce and full vid? Very hot

>>29281560
>no body hair
The perfect man
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:06:52 AM No.29282445
>>29282414
Ok. It's all true. You can't have a loving, fulfilling relationship unless you look like a young Dolph Lundgren, have a 9 X 7 porn cock and $40 M in the bank. Because unhappy as you want to be, dickhead.
Replies: >>29282457 >>29282767
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:09:04 AM No.29282456
bale reaction
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>155 replies
>9 images
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:09:21 AM No.29282457
>>29282445
people like you drove me to this state of mind. objectively huge men telling insecure men who will never measure up or have your confidence or lived experiences to just get over it and marry your gaping leftovers. the fucking insanity of it all.
Replies: >>29282540 >>29282767 >>29283619
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:09:44 AM No.29282462
>>29282428
>Trump hasn't fucked that many women
>now you should listen to yourself

I really don't think it's above 50. That guy seems to have a lot of problems with women. He's also very risk averse. He wasn't fucking strippers.

I know bartenders that have 200+ body counts. Millionaires simply don't have that much time to waste.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:10:39 AM No.29282469
Bi, m

I am an extremely sexually active person. I am into kinks, swinging, clubbing and more. In the past year I have had over 100 sexual interactions. About 20 with women (mostly oral and vaginal sex), about 10 with trans mtf and ftm, and the rest are with men, almost only oral. Thatโ€™s just the last year, I lost count of my sexual interactions some time ago. I would say in the hundreds of bodies for sure. Most likely under a thousand.

And my view on dick size:
For the men: it is very important. Itโ€™s one of the most important things for the owner of the penis, and it can destroy oneโ€™s confidence or build it.

For a male partner of the man: if the man is a top then most cases larger is preferred. Why? Because a lot of the gay bottom males hate themselves. And porn and the media thought them that they must suffer for how they are born and if you donโ€™t have a large dick you just canโ€™t trigger their desire for humiliation and degradation. If you have a big dick this kind of men will literally stand naked in front of you ass up begging to be fucked by you. If you like to punish and humiliate men this will be your dream life.

For a female partner of the man:
You will have a hard time explaining her how much your dick size matters to you. Most women wonโ€™t even believe you there are threats like this one where hundreds of messages are written on the topic. For them itโ€™s just not that important. For them there are 3 options: way too small for sex (aka micropenis), average, and too big for sex. And you will be surprised but for a lot of women too big starts at about 6.5-7 inches of length. So not great if you have a big dick. Women just prefer average. Even a large number prefer below average for a long term partner.

That is my summary of my conversations and direct experiences.

More in cont.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:12:53 AM No.29282479
>>29279341 (OP)
So this is obviously a stealth faggot thread
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:12:56 AM No.29282480
>>29282469
>And you will be surprised but for a lot of women too big starts at about 6.5-7 inches of length. So not great if you have a big dick. Women just prefer average. Even a large number prefer below average for a long term partner.
100%. Thank you.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:12:57 AM No.29282481
>>29282469
i weep for gay men. that sort of lifestyle cannot be healthy man.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:21:10 AM No.29282528
>>29282481
>i weep for gay men. that sort of lifestyle cannot be healthy man.
Once you're past 20, 100...200...500...it's all the same. For men at least. The physical risk is there but promiscuity doesn't take the same psychic toll on men that it does on women.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:22:14 AM No.29282534
>>29282528
>but promiscuity doesn't take the same psychic toll on men that it does on women.
i don't believe that at all. i think that's a cope for how absolutely awful gay male culture is.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:24:05 AM No.29282540
>>29282457
>people like you drove me to this state of mind. objectively huge men telling insecure men who will never measure up or have your confidence or lived experiences to just get over it and marry your gaping leftovers. the fucking insanity of it all.
I'm not telling you any such thing. I'm telling you that right now there are dozens of women that you can meet, and have fulfilling relationships with if you just understand that you're more than enough for any one of them just as you are. That's the truth.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:26:31 AM No.29282551
>>29282534
>i don't believe that at all. i think that's a cope for how absolutely awful gay male culture is.
I don't know... Men can cum, leave, and forget. Women? Not so much. I'm not gay or bi but men are men when it comes to spraying their seed around.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:28:31 AM No.29282559
>>29282551
>Men can cum, leave, and forget
insanely misandrist thing to say.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:30:23 AM No.29282564
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md5: 88f224a631162af2a80351cfaefbd6e4๐Ÿ”
>tfw 6.3x5.5 dick
>supposedly in some studies this is the perfect goldilocks zone dick for both length and girth
>too autistic to ever get a chance to actually stick it in a pussy
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:31:59 AM No.29282570
>>29282469
Cont.

Some stories:
At a party I met a girl, about 1.65m tall not more than 45-50 kgs. Very slim, very athletic.
Me at the time: about 90 kgs, 1.8m a bit not in shape but training regularly.

She was the prettiest girl in the club. And I was not the prettiest guy there by far. Anyway I pushed and she responded. We flirted and then started making out.

*here I will skip the BDSM part as it will be too much for some*

Anyway we get to my place. And she want me to stretch her. I start with 1 finger and build up to the point of my hand being in her to about 80% of the palm. Her body was so small that my hand movements could been seen on her belly if I push up a bit. She came from this stretching.

She had a minute or two of rest while we were making out again.

And then she asked me to fuck her.

I am having a 5 inch long 4,5 inch thick dick, I was like: You sure you will feel this? Am I going to feel this? She was eager and wanting so I said oh well worst case we laugh I guess.

And I entered in her, and I could feel her well, she was moderately tight around my dick and she could handle the length well. And she was visibly enjoying it. She became wetter and I could feel her tighten while cumming on my dick. I was amazed. I thought ok maybe I can go balls deep on her and be a bit harder so I tried that. And once I pushed deep she was visibly in pain and asked me kindly to not push so deep. Moments later she came again. And again I could feel her even getting tighter than the last time while cumming. I continued fucking her a bit more as she said she canโ€™t come more than a few times per night. So I came inside her and went to sleep.

A few days later she told me about her boyfriend. They were in an open relationship. I asked her about my dick size, especially given the fact that she came from my hand. She was visibly aroused just talking about my dick. And she said it was perfectly fine. Then she told me how her boyfriend never felt big enough for her. Cont
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:38:52 AM No.29282598
>>29282559
>insanely misandrist thing to say.
Why?
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:42:47 AM No.29282606
for a moment I thought I was in /r9k/
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:43:05 AM No.29282607
>>29282598
tells me you bought into the feminist narrative that men are all just perpetually horny savage rape beasts.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:44:07 AM No.29282612
>>29282606
if this was /r9k/ there'd be way more dudes bragging about having giant dicks.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:46:59 AM No.29282620
>>29279341 (OP)
No woman will ever get to see your above average penis if you're an ugly freak. I'm perfectly fine with my 5.6 inch erect dick and handsome face. Lay off the porn.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:48:56 AM No.29282623
>>29282570
So I had to ask: how large is he? About 8 inches she said and showed some pictures. This guy was big. My mind was boggled. I had seen times and times in porn how the guy with the small dick cannot satisfy a woman. How she would prefer the guy with the larger dick. And here I was fucking the girl of a guy with a dick nearly twice the size of mine. And boy she was asking for more.

Then she told me about the problems in her relationship. And the main thing was indeed dick size.
Her 8 inches long I could not tell how thick dick boyfriend was feeling insecure with his size. I was in a small shock. And just asked โ€œHow?โ€. Well with the fact that she likes fisting and being stretched the sensation that she needs a lot settled in him. To the point that he felt not enough for her. To a point I could understand: my hand is bigger than his dick, but wow. And I would guess his hand is big as wellโ€ฆ what was happening?

And then I kept talking with her, about trauma and how this related to her sexual life. And here I saw that she wanted to punish herself and she knew it. She wanted to suffer for an error she made in the past. That error gave hurt another person a lot and she has gotten away with nothing. And now her mind was balancing the scale.

She was aware of this. Yet she could not do much about it. She wanted to be threaten badly and with abuse. She wanted her body to be abused, thus the fisting. But when we fucked I was not abusive, but gentle and that was more pleasant for her than the abuse.

Times and times I see this in pattern in many women. They want to be abused at some point and then loved by the same person. This comes from trauma and living in abusive relationships.

All women I know that enjoy large penetration have the same desire to be abused. And all of them want to be loved.

I hope this story brings a more clearer view on what some women need.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:52:43 AM No.29282635
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Hey there! I'm a 21-year-old girl from the states, a bit on the playful side and totally into turning up the heat during flirty chats. I love teasing guys and seeing just how far I can push their buttons while we both enjoy ourselves. I'm a total flirt and definitely in touch with my wild side! I do have some social anxiety, so meeting up in person isn't really my style; that's why Iโ€™m super into spicy texting instead. If you're looking for some fun and flirty banter, hit me up! Add me on the app with my username: Emm i c ko-q (just make sure to remove the spaces and dashes). Canโ€™t wait to chat!
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:54:20 AM No.29282644
>>29282350
They aren't 1%, they're more like 15%. 7-8" is not at all uncommon, and no amount of panicked dickmath will ever change the fact that porn is closer to the truth that ever because it so turns out no one is going door to door asking everyone how big their dick is.
>Big dicks are ouchie teehee~
I'll bet she's got more than three in her dms right now and every single time she has gotten a big fuckin' dick pic, from the age of 16 onward, she has been wrapped around that dude's 9" prick for atleast a full month.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 2:57:25 AM No.29282652
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>>29282644
Copers gonna rope!
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 3:02:25 AM No.29282671
>>29282607
>tells me you bought into the feminist narrative that men are all just perpetually horny savage rape beasts
Nah. But women bond differently. Men can fuck women they actively dislike. Women can't do that without suffering emotionally. Historically, women needed resources and protection for at least a few years after fucking and becoming pregnant. Men just need to cum. Just a biological fact that has psychological and emotional consequences.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 3:07:21 AM No.29282694
>>29282671
yes yes men are all savage heartless beasts. men bad.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 3:08:57 AM No.29282699
absolutely fucking retarded thread. congrats on continuing to be one of the worst boards on a long dead zombie state site. fucking moronic knuckle dragging pea brained shitheads. genuinely wish the worst for everyone on this board.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 3:17:25 AM No.29282733
>>29282209
8.5 inches here (20cm)
All the women I've been with have told me it was perfect, bigger would hurt. But I do have to be cautious
I'm bi and I've seen guys bigger even if most of them lied about their size
Sorry to disappoint but 9in is very real
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 3:18:04 AM No.29282737
>>29282652
disgusting why is it so rubbery
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 3:25:43 AM No.29282763
>>29282733
You don't have a 9 inch dick and you aren't intimate with women. And if you are they're most liking disgusting whales.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 3:26:13 AM No.29282764
>>29279341 (OP)
Yes. Ish.

There is some wiggle room, if you're around average and lie/exaggerate a bit you're fine (female spatial processing and concept of physical reality is fundamentally different). If you're dating for normie purposes, you'll be fine.

If you it's ever you on camera/in a threesome situation, yes size absolutely matters.

If you're small, just become a femboi/transition/rope.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 3:26:42 AM No.29282767
>>29282334
>>29282351
>>29282414
>>29282445
>>29282457
>>29282540
at the end of the day penis length exercises work if you are PATIENT and DISCIPLINED.

buy yourself a hanger or an extender for length and a pump for girth, but NEVER JELQ!
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 3:43:18 AM No.29282822
How has there not been any real penis enlargement modifications? Your telling me we can go to the moon and replace hearts but cant find a way to safely enlarge a cock?
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 3:48:45 AM No.29282853
>>29282469
>>29282570
>>29282623
I'm ~ 8.5 x 5.5 inches. I have the largest penis that most of my partners have ever seen. A mainstream porn performer I dated said that I had an unusually huge cock.

If I'm going to have sex with a woman, I'm going to make sure that she cums at least once before penetration. Usually I use my hands. Women will absolutely crush my fingers, yet still be able to take me all the way to the balls.

Penis size doesn't matter. Getting her off does.

[Side notes: I think you're spot on about gay men and the pattern of women who want to be abused and loved at the same time.]
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 4:35:04 AM No.29283064
>>29279748
>Painted nail
I could have no dick and still be less of a faggot than this dude
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 4:41:39 AM No.29283083
>>29282853
opposite of this, I'm 6.25 long and 6.75 around.
Most women comment on the feeling of unusual fullness and how full it feels.

for every women there is a dick out there that will make them feel a certain way, you just need to find the right woman for your particular dick.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 4:46:54 AM No.29283097
>>29282737
It's pumped up, it's literally just severely swollen. This is how they make "BBC" porn too.
Jessica Biel
8/12/2025, 4:49:54 AM No.29283109
>>29282652
Impressive dick but I have a few questions.

Why is not stiff/hard, despite him clearly having a erection?

Is it even usable since it's so rubbery?

Did he jelq or use any other methods to get it to that size?

Is it too big for most girls? No way they can handle that, right?

Would you even want a dick like that?
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 4:50:43 AM No.29283114
whats the correct way to measure?
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 5:24:06 AM No.29283211
>/gif/
>12 images
lmao
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 5:30:44 AM No.29283242
>thread is a retarded question anybody with 2 neurons doesn't care about
This is not /r/ nor /adv/
Just make surgery if you're insecure about your tiny dick, OP.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 5:53:32 AM No.29283312
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>>29283242
kys
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 5:57:55 AM No.29283328
Yes and no. If you got girth you can be small and get her to bust. You just gotta round your game with foreplay. Just because you got a big cock doesn't mean you'll get her to bust her nut. From my exes one needed the rose to pleasure with my dick, one thought 6inch was big and my recent ex enjoyed my size
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 6:06:39 AM No.29283359
>>29282456
This
Jessica Biel
8/12/2025, 6:39:27 AM No.29283479
>>29283312
Holy shit, sauce? That's really hot
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 6:44:00 AM No.29283493
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>>29279968
Imagine just putting minimal effort into hanging that map and having an above-average cock. You would succeed where 85% of these faggots here wouldn't, but you're a lazy fuck.

Cruel world.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 6:46:26 AM No.29283502
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md5: 643e93ba7d1ed58b6f43762f20eec00e๐Ÿ”
>>29282456
Indeed. Bunch of tallywacker faggots gooning over big dicks. How gay can it get?
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 6:47:42 AM No.29283506
>>29281524
You are the type of guy who thinks all women only fuck tall dudes. In reality, as a man, you shouldn't give a fuck about any of that, you'll be much better off. Blame your lack of sex on you being a complete loser.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 6:50:02 AM No.29283519
>>29282822
There are subreddits trying for it, there's thor's forum, there's the Angion method. But many of these either give minimal gains (a centimeter at most), take years, or are both.
Dick growth is a time thing, puberty is where most of it happens but if you are not a dicklet you see no gains from a "second" puberty.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 7:01:16 AM No.29283567
>>29281638
>fwb benefits or the privilege of actually dating her and not getting ghosted because you don't measure up to her past fucks.
Retarded nigger
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 7:17:22 AM No.29283619
>>29282457
As long as you have over 10 cm you should be good. Girth is not that important since you can pleasure a woman with a finger.

99% of the porn you saw, the man never played with the clit while penetratin. I bet that most of men think that vaginal orgasms are a thing. They are not. Only thing that could make sense if that you plow so hard that the clit gets stimulated so you make her cum that way but that's about it.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 7:31:21 AM No.29283677
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>>29279341 (OP)
yesh

nearly all cocks are nice though, as long as they're not weird shaped or comically small. comically small ones would probably also be fun in their own way, though that would involve humiliation fetish
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 7:31:41 AM No.29283678
7.75" x 5.5" here
Size only gets you through the door, personality is what keeps you around
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 7:36:54 AM No.29283695
>206 replies, only 16 images
>OP being a cagey, hyperaggro faggot up and down the thread
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 7:39:23 AM No.29283702
>>29280265
This man speaks the truth of cock
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 7:51:29 AM No.29283755
Serious question time:

Are there women that find small dicks attractive?

And not for reasons of overlaying femdom/humiliation fetish reasons, nor for biological conditions that makes medium/large painful.
But solely for the sexual attraction of small dicks in of itself.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 8:16:35 AM No.29283830
>>29282652
Half of that is just swollen foreskin
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 8:18:45 AM No.29283838
>>29282733
>8.5 inches here (20cm)
20 cm is just under 8 inches. 8.5 inches is almost 22 cm
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 8:19:53 AM No.29283842
>>29279341 (OP)
I am ~6.5in long and ~5.5in in circumference. Judging by porn, I am on the smaller side. I've never had any kind of complaints from women. I've actually asked a girl I was hooking up with, who is a major slut, what she thought - she said I am about average - but that she enjoyed the sex, and that she thinks that men place too much importance on size. She further said that her first boyfriend had a huge dick, which was "great to look at" but hurt to fuck, and she couldn't do doggy with him. She said that as long as the girl can feel it, it's big enough. I've probably had sex with 50 women, and some of them have been extremely into it. It really depends on their level of attraction to you. There is also a skill aspect, and forplay has a noticeable effect on how sexually satisfied a girl is. Just my 2 cents.

>t. just measured
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 8:20:40 AM No.29283847
>>29283678
it also means their going to be sore at first
and you might also smack them in the cervix which seems to be really painful and then i feel bad
but 99% of the time its nice
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 8:28:58 AM No.29283867
>>29283677
Sauce please :)
Replies: >>29283905
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 8:37:23 AM No.29283888
>>29281502
4.25 is pencil tier. Just fyi 6 inch girth is literally double your size because of the way circles work
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 8:37:42 AM No.29283890
>>29279341 (OP)
Unless you've got a micropenis, perception plays a huge part in this.

My dick ranges from 15 to 16 cm depending on how horny I am, that's what, 6-6.25in? Anyway, I've consistently hit the cervix of every woman I've slept with, the extra length would only do anything in some weird positions where you can't use all of it. If you saw a picture of me you'd think my dick is tiny as I'm 184cm tall with pretty massive shoulders.

But I do wish that it was girthier, I've not measured but it's on the low end.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 8:41:39 AM No.29283905
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>>29283867
brattyntwinky
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 8:52:56 AM No.29283932
>>29279889
Every faggot is a size queen.
ftfy
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 9:10:46 AM No.29284011
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 9:12:35 AM No.29284019
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>>29281502
>>29283888
found this object with 4.25 inches circumference (compared to my 6.1)
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 9:30:56 AM No.29284049
>>29284019
Shave and lose some belly chub. Otherwise, great dick
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 9:41:57 AM No.29284081
>>29279807
My cock is 8 and a half inches in length and over 6 inches around. I've never had a good blowjob, most women can't take me balls deep and thus I've rarely had really satisfying sex, and the women that can are usually absolute whores and thus not I rarely have emotionally fulfilling relationships.
So yes, while it LOOKS nice and sometimes I look down at my erection and think "Goddamn, look at that fuckin thing." in an appreciative manner, no, it really isn't that great to have a big ol meatbat.
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 9:50:02 AM No.29284107
>>29284011
how is this physically possible? my gf can deepthroat as in the dick can slide into her throat, but only if im half way hard. when my dick is hard its impossible for it to bend down the hatch. why does this work? i would love to be able to facefuck her right but the dick just gets to hard
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 9:54:29 AM No.29284116
>>29282652
>>29282737
>>29283109
>>29283830
nothing is impressive with that, he used a penis pump and pumped way to much so the tissue in his dick is permanently fucked. when the dick gets normal again it will be deformed and he'll probably have issued getting hard. this is a real medical risk with penis pumps that I know first hand after working at the ER for a few years
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 9:54:55 AM No.29284117
I just measured 7.2x5.7BP, 6.2NBP. Being a fat bastard definitely makes it look smaller, in particular in pictures/videos, because my ass is so thick, you don't have a good reference.

In terms of women, my first gf was 4'9, and I'd regularly hit her cervix without being careful, I couldn't get balls deep in her from behind. Depending on how horny she was, hitting the cervix was either super painful, or she'd beg for it. I've only felt the cervix of a few other women since, and my dick is always sore afterwards.

I never ask women what what they have to say about it, a few have said its big unprompted, one woman called it "husband dick". No one has ever been "shocked" by it, and there have definitely been some who've gone on to describe the absolute monsters they've seen (again completely unprompted).

Only one time has it ever "not fit" but she was very timid, and not really into it.

I've only ever been deepthroated once, most of the time it just ends up squeezing against their throat, truth be told the only time I experienced it for real I was blown away, I had no idea it felt so good. I could imagine being slightly longer would feel even better, getting the full head down her throat seems like it would be amazing.

No one has ever called it small, although most women are quite polite, so I couldn't imagine that actually happening. One did call it a boy dick, but she was an older woman and I think she was playing games.

I do have a decent curve to the side, leveraging that by finding positions where it's hitting areas she's under stimulated in is definitely valuable, helps a lot.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 9:59:48 AM No.29284130
>>29283502
god i hate staged fake videos like this, ruining the entire internet
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 10:02:19 AM No.29284139
>>29281554
They havent. 6 inch girth is really rare even in porn. An easy way to check is by comparing the dick you see to the girl's wrist size. A female wrist is 5.5-6.5 inches, so if the dick isn't at least as thick as her forearm, you know it's nothing special
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 11:56:52 AM No.29284368
>>29284019
Using someone elseโ€™s dick video off reddit and pretending itโ€™s yours is such a low self esteem micropenis move
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:09:28 PM No.29284388
>>29284081
I'm also on the bigger side but especially thick and my gf can barely handle my dick without a lot of lube or foreplay and sometimes is often on the verge of tears if I go to deep inside her and she's sometimes scared of the thing, which is a bit of a turn-on I'll admit
It's fun for the looks and I'm sure there's women who could handle me with more ease but it is how it is
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:10:36 PM No.29284396
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>>29284368
ok retard
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:13:59 PM No.29284405
>>29283847
but like the feeling when she is riding you and she is starts rubbing her cervix on your tip... my god
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 12:51:41 PM No.29284503
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>>29282209
This amateur guy is definitely 9 inches easily. The average woman's hand is 3.1 inches wide, and you can see that even with her fingers spread she could still fit a third hand on top with no problem.
Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:05:16 PM No.29284534
>>29279341 (OP)
>>29282456
>234 replies
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Anonymous
8/12/2025, 1:25:02 PM No.29284599
im 5.5 and about 5inch circumference. I've had plenty of women and none have complained, but I've always felt small and know that I'm on the small side. Many I didn't get to fuck again, so maybe it wasn't satisfying. Dunno.