So, it seems Seto Yuuki was initially planning to make Chitose an eroge, almost a decade before the thing was published. Why didn't it happen? Probably the same reason he gave up at the finish line of the story.

There was a Chitose thread not long ago and I said I'd like to try and make the Eroge a reality, and a few people got interested. If I wanted to actually do it, what would I need besides a script, and would /h/ give it a chance?

Background for this?

You could use AI for a lot and hope the bluesky tards would Streissand effect your game into the stratosphere.

>>8619272
In the Chitose defunct thread, the topic surfaced and someone linked a Wayback Machine link of Seto's old Twitter, there was a sketch of Chitose, announcing a collab with someone to make an eroge, Project Chitose.

Suffice to say, a little over 10 years paassed and he released the divisive manga. Pretty sure the man had a draft somewhere and he just published one of the routes he had envisioned; heck, I'm PRETTY sure the draft goes up to the karaoke part and then he pulled the ending out of his ass lol.

Some anons even made some decent alternate endings/routes for the would-be VN.

>>8619237 (OP)
who cares about that dumb slut chitose, i want my raspberry inc uncensored, it's been 9 years.

>>8619948
Man, does Seto have a fixation with that specific face. Is Chitose like Tomie or something?

>>8619299
Cute

>>8620104
I've always though that when a japanese artist get his style, he just repeats the drawings over and over like a good japanese citizen until he pretty much dies of work exhaustion. Tragic?, yes, but fully approved by the society.

>>8620119
So yeah, a metaphysical Tomie.

Or Garfield. From now on Chitose canonically loves lasagna and hates Mondays. Hori is a Seto self insert existing to be cucked by his own creation.

>>8620105
Yeah, that's the picture. I'm the VN Anon, still thinking how to even start the whole thing. I've identified some challenges.

> Do I start the VN from the events of the original manga, like if this was the actual Project Chitose? Would that even allow for scenario variety?
>How likely is it that Seto Yuuki or his publisher find out about the VN and get pissed? Are there any legal risks?
>I have lots of ideas for routes and dialogues but I suck at writing H Scenes.
>The art. Yeah, AI is suggested, but I don't have a rig good enough to run Pony models and I also don't have the cash to afford renting a model.

So, yeah I'm stuck wanting to do it but worrying too much about the obstacles.

>>8619948
ask Jewcob, he got his pawns on all Seto Yuuki's work, one tank every 5 years

>>8620279
nice I'll be only two years into my manopause when we get to the one I want

>>8620246
unless you're a retard posting builds online for people to spread the word no one that matters will find out but even if they do it shouldn't care because it is a doujin work, unless you go comercial there's 0 risks. There's also a language barrier so unless they are maliciously directed into it to damage the project they shouldn't even consider it being made.

I think making the manga into a VN script would pose a nice training and give you enough skills into using whatever software you will to make the final thing like going from sprite scenes to key CG scenes and the like. Chitose has enough drawings for you to make base sprites for all the key characters. Once you have that done, instead of just writting dialogue what you want is a flowchart of events and what events have choices and what kind of flags you want to implement: points? checks? point values are the staple, you build points with a character and then given the critical moment if your score value is past a certain number you get into a route. A flag just checks if you triggered an event. After you do that writting the actual script is easier.

>>8620499
Yeah, I'll definitely need to find help for writing the H scenes and substituting the preliminary manga sprites and CGs with actual stuff. Any place that could work as a recruitment spot?

Also, about the flowchart, I initially had thought about having the game depend on points like a traditional Dating Sim, you know, Cheetopoints for Chitose and Sociopoints for Mika, stuff like that; however dating is one thing Hori doesn't do because he's an idiot and the story flows better with a "choice" system. My plan is to leave the first half of the story intact, as in, the player can't prevent the events that happen on the art club, that's the catalyst for the whole story; afterwards though the paths start branching, starting with the rooftop scene as the first critical point.

There's also another issue: I'm going into uncharted territory, I still feel that the story was meant to continue after the whole Karaoke thing, so the "final year" arc will be all on my own. That means there's sprites and CGs that simply don't exist even for a "beta" version, mainly the Suzu scenes I have drafted and the whole Suzu route that so far is the shortest.

I already have an idea for 5 diferent endings, but of course it's just the barebones version of how the plot should go.

>>8620547
there's a forum for visual novel development called lemmasoft, but you should recruit there once you define what aspects of the production you want to actually tackle yourself and how. Since you have to use AI to make some sort of lookalike work chances are others might dislike your thing from the get go. There's a lot of retards that hate AI art but once it is produced they will consume it anyways. Leave the sex scenes as just general ideas you want to put in them just in case you want to use some events depicted in them during dialogue later but don't write them just yet. If you manage to put some actual dialogue running into an engine then more volunteers will naturally appear.

>>8619948
>>8620105
SEXOOOO!!

>>8623966
She's so beautiful.
Shame she's wasted on that POS doujin.

>>8620557
>there's a lot of retards that hate AI art
nigger it just doesn't look right 9/10
I don't engage with shit that's ugly or boring, AI or not.
"You can cum to it!" is the lowest fucking bar possible, most men on the planet can cum to the fucking idea of a pair of tits, much less a drawing of one

>>8625047
Yeah, this is what's mainly making me give up on trying this. I have no cash to hire an artist, I would find it unfair to ask for free art as well...

>>8625047
There's a lot of people that will say that something looks good and soulful and then be told it was made by AI and get super angry and salty. That's all there's to it.

Okay, explain me something. It's been years since this doujin released. Seto got called a fraud even by his japanese Twitter audience, everything pointed out he'd milk Chitose (lol) for at least a chapter more, and he just dropped it. NTRfags and Vanillacucks were both angry.

But... if this shit keeps being talked about to this day and the last thread about Chitose we had was by far one of the longest we've had in months, doesn't that means the man ironically created a memorable story? Didn't he achieve his objective?

>>8625565
Pretty much. Even if it isn't memorable on a high note, it sure sparks debate to this day. It isn't as memeworthy as Metamorphosis even was (with people being able to recognize the original nhentai code from a glance) but it is still like a cult work. I think it would become even more memorable if it ever got animated. If they are animating Takeda's older shit now there's always hope for Seto who had plenty of OVAs in the past.

Bring back Aoyagi

>>8625971
Thing is, Metamorphosis is so over the top it's memeable. Chitose doesn't knows if it wants to be a shoujo, a tragedy, a NTR, a hentai. It just blueballs everyone, and I imagine the riot if it got animated lmao

So, if I understand correctly, this is some sort of "The Room" of hentai doujins, but without anything that made "The Room" so beloved? When I read it I felt like the author wanted to givesome sort of lesson and then didn't know how to finish the damn thing. Most discussions about it aren't even about the porn ffs.

Going by what OP says, if it was going to be a VN that never got released, then it might as well be just one of the routes or a draft and he just did the equivalent of an "and everyone dies, THE END".

>>8626142
>When I read it I felt like the author wanted to givesome sort of lesson and then didn't know how to finish the damn thing.
If you are familiar with Seto Yuki's works, you notice the story is less about giving a message but about normalizing horny and taking women from the pedestal that males put them. Most of his stories feature males that took too much time to kickstart a relationship while the girl was actively engaging in sex one way or the other. That's the pattern really. The clash of Chitose getting off from a dude that she doesn't love isn't even the first time this was done. He has done so before with adult characters in Triangle Cafe featured in Accelerando. There a dude had a crush with a girl since high school but he never had the courage. The girl very much loves him but in the meantime she engages in having sex with the friend they have in common. What's more the friend helps him fuck her eventually.

Sure the story isn't the full fledged premise he might have wanted to put in the VN project but it is still about dealing with the side effects of not taking a first step early enough regardless of the conclusion. But people can't make peace with this one in particular because of many factors beside the ending, it is actually relatable to a degree. The old thread had people sharing their own similar experiences so it is easy to project somehow for some individuals.

>>8626174
I think it's just more than that, the protagonists in Chitose are absolute passive idiots, both the FEMC and the MC. It's like, Seto scraped off their intelligence to serve the plot. Other NTRs have the protagonist being cucked in the most riddiculous ways, plenty of times he doesn't even notice. Here he had PLENTY of chances to take the girl back, he didn't. And it doesn't help that you could tell Chitose that it's possible to breathe underwater and she'd try it.

The premise of the story is interesting, sex without love and love without sex, there's plenty of people that have analysed the doujin and showed that Seto has a talent for visual storytelling, but that doesn't translate well into making actualy good stories. The lack of a payoff was the biggest middle finger to most of the people following it.

As anon said, there's a reason why it's still discussed in a negative light today without mentioning the porn. There's also the cultural nuance of the whole thing, some stuff, particularly Chitose's actions, make more sense in Japan. That doesn't make her any more excusable though, japanese reviewers cirticise the removal of her agency past chapter 2 and Seto's twitter was really a field trip once Chapter 5 hit.

>>8626206
the only difference between Chitose and the one I mentioned before is that in Chitose the MC ends up with another Girl because Chitose can't let dick go meanwhile in the Cafe trilogy the girl accepts the passive dude because sex is just sex and she liked the dude alright. Both characters are equally dumb, that's not new to Chitose.

>>8626211
There's much more nuance to that; again, Seto is a shit writer but his visual storytelling is quite good actually, which doesn't surprise me because, well, he draws pretty pin up girls for magazine covers.

I won't bother explaining the panels that actually show the story was going places before being thrown to Deus Ex Land, there are plenty of threads about it already, VN Anon seems to have jumped ship, and being Chitose, I'm sure we'll get a new thread about it in a couple weeks or something.

>>8626142
>Thing is, Metamorphosis is so over the top it's memeable. Chitose doesn't knows if it wants to be a shoujo, a tragedy, a NTR, a hentai. It just blueballs everyone, and I imagine the riot if it got animated lmao
What the fuck are you on about? It's a very straightforward NTR story. Dude has a girl he likes, then has to watch her get fucked by a big dude. There's not that much more to it. It's not blueballing anyone, we see lots of fucking. Even the cuck gets his dick wet. There's no blueballing.
Do you guys just imprint on the first NTR story you read or something? Chitose is quite well made but other than the technical execution the only thing that sets it apart from other NTR works is that rather than just being completely shit on, the protag gets into a pretty good situation for him if it he didn't have one-itis.

Just hope the man finishes Yuuzai Desu and never writes anything else ever again.

>>8626206
>Seto has a talent for visual storytelling, but that doesn't translate well into making actualy good stories
There's a reason he never became a real mangaka.
>>8629409
He's semi-retired based on his twitter. One chapter per 1-2 year pace.

>>8633254
And he wants to do it a 6-8 part story.
Part 3 is supposed to be 80 pages, get ready for only 10 of those at most being sex, the rest will be dedicated to whatever the fuck thinks he's doing with the "plot".

So far the only compelling character is glasses girl, because it's the only one we can see has something else going on outside school, and guys find her creepy. And that's saying a lot considering she speaks in a total of like, 6 panels.

>>8633428
The Japanese feedback to Chitose broke him. He still doesn't get why Chitose ending flopped.
He's trying to rehash the same plot from Chitose to "redeem" the ending instead of simply doing a Chitose epilogue focused on MC.
Yuuzai will have the MC having sex, but the FeMC will end up with chad. Chitose 2.0.

>>8633817
"Hmmm, people didn't like it the first time, maybe there was something I didn't get? Nah, I didn't do it hard enough."

Even the Miren girl looks like Chitose with black hair, and the guy is just a Hori copy-paste.

Still, in Yuuzai everyone is a horny, guilty, bornedline retarded idiot. In Chitose we had two absolute braindead morons and two horny future serial killers.

>>8633836
All Chitose needed to end properly was the final sex scene with Hori and Mika.

>>8633817
Did the japanese readers really tore him apart?
I saw that japanese goodreads has like, 18% score for Chitose but I doubt it's from plenty of buyers.
That said, I understand why people would show him the middle finger, Chapter 5 read more like a middle part of the story than the climax, and then he just timeskips.

When his work was porn>plot the audience had their closure sexually.
But when it's plot>porn it shows he doesn't how to offer the audience literary closure.

>>8633836
I'm convinced the Prez already fucked everyone during that Karaoke moment. There's no other way about this. And the "You're guilty" will be reverse uno on her eventually. This is the only way he can redeem himself, blaming the lead girl in one of his works and having her face some social consequence because of it. Historically all of his girls get away with whatever shit they do be it murder or cuckolding.

>>8634397
Nah, I just checked, the Karaoke scene was for nothing other than showing Glasses Girl, Blonde Guy and Playboy are all as perverted as Main Bitch. They fuck Glasses and then leave.
Honestly, both Prez and MC are morons, Chitose and Hori 2.0; unlike Chitose though the girl is spiteful to the point she's willing to suck dick just to make MC jealous. Also unlike Chitose MC actively sabotages himself to get into Main Bitch's pussy.

That said, with the focus that Glasses has had despite her low involvement (first sex scene, we get to see her bother, we get panels where guys comment on her), I wouldn't doubt the twist is that MC and her end up together. Like, during all the group giving, they notice that they feel extra good with each other and all that crap.

That or her bother bangs her.

>>8634664
I just can't believe she saw the orgy happening, wasn't entangled by the mood, then the next thing she does is suck the cock of one of those guys and then the next weekend go to the home of one of these girls to have an orgy. That's just insane.

>>8634777
We're talking about the mangaka who did the story about two idiots who love each other, have about 4 chances to be together, and neither do anything but mope and fuck. Nothing he writes makes sense even for NTR. You know, the same story that got him so much flak on Twitter that he just quit social media?

Also, Part 2, her initiation is sucking a dude, and the orgy, she says, she's "only going there to watch" because reasons. She only participates because MC is there.

>>8634789
I'm literally losing my mind! she's whoring herself for literal no reason stop!

Why do people act like out of their minds when a Seto character does something stupid or borderline dysfunctional but it's okay in every other doujin?

Only way for Seto Yuuki to redeem himself is give new Hori a harem ending.

Its been 2 years
Just get them to fuck everyone else in a huge orgy while MC watches or something

>>8635162
Hori is his self insert, Chitose is his auto biography.
In reality it was a cute girl who got asked first by a kind dude and he was the creep following her around, deluding himself into thinking they had a friendship.

>>8625565
It's as memorable as if somebody tortured and mutilated your dog in front of you while you couldn't do anything to stop them. Memorable, sure, but not something you'd want to expirience or have a fond memories of, more like a traumatizing expirience. Chitose just instills you with frustration and doesn't do anything about it.

>>8635441
...But isn't that the point of a NTR? It's like watching a horror film and complaining that it's scary.

Or is there something I'm missing?

>>8635613
This was discussed to death in the last thread. Usually in NTR you have something to emotionally detach you from the story. Cuck is too pathetic, girl turns into complete slut or events simply too dumb and unrealistic to care, etc. One thing is to fuel your fetish, another is to mentally crush you. And the thing with Chitose it doesn't look like it wants to achieve the latter but it unintentionally (?) does with its absolutely retarded ending.

>>8635633
Retarded life choices lead to retarded consequences

if the art were no 11/10 nobody would f care

>>8635633
For me, it feels like the author tries to gaslight the readers. It starts like a standard NTR, with the montage of FMC and Cuck being all sweet so it hurts when Bull takes the girl. But it turns out for some fucking absurd reason, both Cuck and FMC consider Bull and Bitch their friends. Afterwards it's not a good NTR and it's not a good Drama either and the author seems to think he's writing this deep message about love and loss. I mean, he did surprised Pikachu face on his Twitter when he got blasted by the readers and then quit social media lmao.

>>8633254
>There's a reason he never became a real mangaka.
In what way is he not a "real mangaka"?

>>8640090
they imply working on non pornographic serializations, but afaik he has never pursued that in the first place. Is 774 a master storyteller just because his bully draft porn was published as an all ages romantic comedy? Same for Haguhagu and his loli smut serial.

>>8640220
Well, sometimes it feels like he wants to staple shoujo-esque or heavier plots into the doujins to the detriment of the plot. Case in point, Yuuzai Desu. He spends too much time in plot and yet he manages to do absolutely nothing with it. Part 3 will be long and according to him this is just the first volume. With his age and the time it takes him to complete a chapter, this might as well become the Hunter x Hunter of hentai.

And it just shows how proud Japanese mangaka can be. People roasted him because of Chitose's plot and in response he doubled down with even more plot. It's like he's trying to prove he can do both.

>>8640461
Dude "porn with plot" is Mugen Tensei's entire thing. It's not him, it's the entire magazine. And most of what you're saying is complete projection anyway. There is precisely nothing "shojo-esque" about anything he's made. Nothing.

>>8640619
I don't see how that's a projection. And even then it doesn't change the fact that his story in particular got a lot of backlash or invalidate the other things I said.

>>8640461
Serialized porn stories, the ones that go in magazines, can have lenghty lore segments without porn. Heck some chapters do not even feature porn at first and only on the second chapters onward. This isn't unique to him and is rather common. It depends on the magazine.

>>8641036
Any story that isn't a miserable shithole like Chitose?

>>8641055
I dunno what you mean by miserable shithole considering that most porn that tries to make a lenthy introduction will also try to strike you back with equal force one way or the other but a similar spirit than Chitose can be appreciated in the "Karami Zakari"/"Entanglement" series. But if you meant something else you can elaborate.

>>8641100
As in, something that doesn't want to make you go punch the writer in the face and then wish you could enter the doujin to shoot the whole cast.

Something like Chitose but where the protagonists have more of a brain/willpower, or, something just kino.

>>8641259
There's nothing like that in my knowledge. Something like Chitose requires the losing parties to emotionally suffer a lot. Chitose is actually on a light mood because all things considered Hori got laid too and even moved on with his life.

In the Unsweet series there's a long NTR story about a male student that cucks a classmate with their teacher and this spans years of suffering. When the dude seemingly moves on with a new girl and all that? he chases after the new girl just to fuck over him some more. It has a rather lame ending because the teacher reaminas a fuck doll until the end. The adult mature teacher loses to the young kid.

There's another with a circle of friends where a dude likes one of the girls and everyone knows but he discovers the girl he likes actually is the circle fuck doll and breaks, another girl consoles him and now he's recovering but then he discovers this second girl is cheating on him with the circle leader too all in a plan to break the other girl into being a fuck doll and keep him for herself. He breaks more and ends up raping everyone in a non very good ending.

The most "kino" ntr ending I've seen is one of a husband that learns his wife cheated on him and his kid isn't even blood related. The wife apologizes and he forgives her, keeping her around doing chores. Years later he keeps torturing her by having sex with the daughter they raised and the kid mocking the mother for being a cheating whore. But that's nothing like Chitose.

If you want the names I could search for them, if you want highschool swinger/ntr drama that's a bit more specific but can narrow it down.

>>8640667
>I don't see how that's a projection.
Projection is when somebody projects qualities onto a subject that aren't actually present in the subject. Anon is projecting the quality of being "shoujo-esque" onto these porno manga for men.
>And even then it doesn't change the fact that his story in particular got a lot of backlash or invalidate the other things I said
But it does highlight how you're also projecting this notion that the guy gives a single fuck about any backlash. He's making NTR manga. He knows he's making NTR manga. He knows NTR manga frustrates and angers people. That's the fucking point of it. It's not his first rodeo you know? He's been making manga for decades. You are projecting qualities onto the man while knowing nothing at all about him. You are projecting.

>>8641259
Dude just stop reading NTR if you can't handle it. This gutpunch/misery is the entire point, and Yuuki has been gunning for that feeling his entire career. Even his non-NTR works have an air of depression to them. Seems like he's gotten really good at it too.

>>8641321
Oh, I'm just looking with hentai with drama that isn't necessarily NTR involved, not psychological torture porn but good endings that feel earned

>>8619299
https://archiveofsins.com/h/thread/8562181/#8597181

>>8642088
Too late. I think even VN Anon gave up.
Anyways, see you in two months when someone brings Chitose up again.