Thread 8675560

Visa and Mastercard are silently blocking payments to certain games, platforms, and services they personally disapprove of.

This isn't about fraud or scams — it's ideological or content-based censorship through financial control.

They dominate the global card payment system (90%+ market share), and use this power to control what people can buy. That’s monopolistic abuse, plain and simple.

We need to fight back and report them. If you're in Chile:
https://www.fne.gob.cl/contacto/formulario-de-denuncias/

For international users:
USA (FTC): https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/
Europe (Competition Commission): https://competition-policy.ec.europa.eu

Post your own experiences. Share proof of blocked payments.
Even if you’re not directly affected now, this could impact every developer, artist, or user who relies on card payments.

Don't let Visa and Mastercard decide what content is allowed online.

I encourage the protesting... but you still need a plan B in case the financial parasites and governments tell you to get bent. Just like how people in countries with censored internet have to use VPNs and Tor, you need an alternative to credit cards. Ideally one without high transaction fees, so standard Bitcoin isn't ideal.

>>8675560 (OP)
why bother using payment channels when you can just pay directly to the merchants wallet

>>8675784
cause most of them don't have one

this feels like a hopeless fight honestly. Everywhere you go you just see people making jokes "Le Goonercide! hyuk hyuk!" ive even seen people say "Well, less porn is good, means less brain rot" The current "vibe" of the whole world is against us.

>>8676151
Go and touch some grass, youre out of touch.
Banning porn nowadays is like banning alcohol or cigarettes.

>>8675560 (OP)
And to colombia bro?
Chile not have so much people

>>8675784
Why bother with Visa when you can just ask your favorite artist where they live and go hand them the cash?

>>8675560 (OP)
As easy as using crypto I guess?

>>8676226
you can afford the plane ticket?
cool story bro

>>8676169
>Go and touch some grass
I have. People are in favor of it. The fucking current admin has support from half the country to do it if they want to. in less than 4 years every red state will have anti-porn laws. Blue states will be called pedo defenders for not having them. The FOSTA-SESTA act was bi partisan. Gen Z hates sex in movies. All this anti porn shit is only going to get worse.

>>8676373
you're going there anyway to worship them regularly

Doesnt the EU have its own competitor called Wero or something?

Yeah fuck that shit. I think a proper regulation is a long time away personally. I don't think what they're doing is fine, but I think in order to adequately manage such a thing, we'll have to develop further, probably to the point at which when it can happen none of us will have been alive for a long time

>>8676393
i support it. good luck trying to fight against age verification to view porn

>>8675560 (OP)
>If you're in Chile:
So it's just brownoids that care about this?

This is not just about one payment being blocked — it's about setting a dangerous precedent for digital censorship.

Visa and Mastercard are increasingly rejecting transactions to games, platforms, and content they consider “controversial” or “non-compliant”. While some of these cases go unnoticed, they are quietly shaping what we are allowed to access and consume online.

Even if you’re not directly affected today, this creates a chilling effect. Developers and publishers may start self-censoring their games just to avoid financial blacklisting. Today it's niche adult titles or politically sensitive games — tomorrow it could be games like *Star Blade*, indie developers, or creators pushing artistic boundaries.

This isn’t a moral debate. It’s about monopolies using financial control to become de facto gatekeepers of digital content. If two corporations can quietly decide which products and ideas are allowed to be bought online, we’re no longer dealing with an open market — we’re living under a financial content filter.

This is why it's important to speak up now. Report them, spread awareness, and push back against this form of corporate censorship before it becomes normalized.

>>8676742
censorship is good actually and is needed.

>>8676754
He says in a hentai board of an anonymous imageboard that would definitely be censored if the fuckers get away with what they're doing

>>8676789
okay? i can be smoking while saying cigs are bad.i can live without 4chan

>>8676806
But saying that cigarettes should be banned while you're smoking one does make you look like a retard.

>>8676809
how is it retarded to say yeah this is bad for me it should probably be banned.

what would be retarded is thinking smoking isn't bad for me and it shouldn't be banned aka you

>>8676151
That's the point. That is how they get ya. And it's not like it's just porn, these CC/paypal fucks shut down conservative startup stuff all the time. Oh you want to run a conservative business because liberals told you to "make your own"? Well, get bent, we aren't gonna let you play.

The real fight would be taking these goons to court via discrimination lawsuit, just like those gays did to the cake bakers. But that shit takes lawyers and all sorts of time/effort/cash. And ironically, all the NSFW stuff affected definitely hit some alphabet crew crap - you could 100% hit the CCs with all sorts of hate speech/discrimination suits over it, and the courts would have to side with you lest they grant the power to the CC companies to kill pride stuff.

>>8676393
The anti-porn stuff is astroturfed. It's for forcing digital ID on the NPCs so they can control wrong think. That is the end goal. Porn is just the test bed for new tech, like it always is.

Let’s imagine this:

A small indie developer releases a psychological horror game with disturbing themes — something in the style of *Silent Hill* or *Lone Survivor*. It doesn't break any laws. It has a clear warning label. It’s rated appropriately for adults. The game explores trauma, fear, and the darker sides of the human mind — nothing new in the genre.

Suddenly, payment processors like Visa or Mastercard block purchases of the game through certain platforms. No legal action, no due process. Just silent rejection. Why? "Violates content guidelines." That’s it. No transparency, no details.

The developer receives no clear explanation. No court, no regulator. Just a corporate algorithm (or a risk-averse manager) deciding the game is “too much.”

Now imagine this keeps happening — one game at a time. First adult content, then horror. Then political. Then anything “risky.”

It’s not about protecting users. It’s about corporate censorship — quiet, private, and impossible to appeal.

This is why we must speak out. Because if Visa and Mastercard can blacklist any game simply because they don’t like the tone, theme, or message — then *no one* is safe. Not even harmless horror stories.

Real case: The indie horror game *Vile: Exhumed*, by Final Girl Games, is a psychological horror experience involving themes of online misogyny and toxic parasocial relationships. It was delisted from **Steam**, not because it was illegal or broke any rating policy, but simply due to pressure from payment processors like **Visa and Mastercard**.

According to the developer, the game was banned for “sexual content with depictions of real people”—a vague justification that fans and creators found absurd, especially considering the content is implied and metaphorical, not explicit. No transparency, no review or dialogue — they just pulled it.:contentReference[oaicite:1]{index=1}

This sets a dangerous standard: payment companies can arbitrarily determine what content is acceptable in the marketplace. Today it's a horror game with nuanced themes. Tomorrow it could be political satire or LGBTQ+ storytelling. If they decide something is “too much,” legal or not, they can quietly block it and cut off its distribution channels without accountability.

This isn't protection or morality enforcement—it’s corporate censorship by stealth, and it threatens creative freedom across the board.

If you’re comfortable with corporate censorship deciding what others can access, you’re free to ignore this post. This discussion is for those who value creative freedom and open access to content.

### United States
– DOJ Antitrust Division: report anticompetitive or content‑based financial censorship (justice.gov)
– Visa/Mastercard Interchange Fee Settlement: submit claims at paymentcardsettlement.com (deadline: Feb42025)

### Canada
– Competition Bureau: file complaints about monopoly or fee abuse (competitionbureau.gc.ca)
– FCAC: report unexplained blockages or unfair payment censorship

### United Kingdom
– Payment Systems Regulator (PSR): submit evidence on high fees or exclusionary rules
– Competition Appeal Tribunal: see ruling on interchange fee breach of competition law

### Latin America
– Chile (FNE): denuncias por censura financiera o prácticas monopólicas
– México (COFECE): denuncia abuso de mercado o tarifas excesivas
– Argentina (CNDC): presentar denuncia formal
– Colombia (SIC): reportar restricciones injustificadas en pagos

Thank you to everyone who genuinely cares about protecting creative freedom and standing against financial censorship.

Your voice matters. Every small action, post, report, or share helps push back against quiet corporate overreach.

Freedom of expression is not a given — it survives because people defend it.

Thank you for being one of those people.

>>8675721
>but you still need a plan B in case the financial parasites and governments tell you to get bent

Gelbooru just got deplatformed by Paypal

What do you fags even say on the phone? I'm thinking about calling them but I don't really have something to say. I was thinking about just calling them to say that this is just a complaint and that I think that it's annoying that I can't use my Mastercard to buy foreign games but don't really know where to go from there.

>>8676151
I haven't come across anything like that; it's probably your timeline and algo. But people need to understand that when it comes to being pro-free speech, you must be all in.

>>8676393
>People are in favor of it. The fucking current admin has support from half the country to do it if they want to. in less than 4 years every red state will have anti-porn laws.
I don’t know. National anti-porn bills have been shot down for decades because they're unconstitutional (not that there isn't a chance it may slip past at some point, but its' history isn't in favor of anti-porn fuckers as they think). Leaders and admins have always been hypocritical of such laws; very few, if none, come without a loophole. The reason they don't bother going after so many people is because it's too much effort and cops don't have resources to go after harmless drawings. Remember when the FBI told people to stop flooding their tip line with "ZOMG, THIS GUY DREW CHILD PORN"?.

>>8676993
In fairness, it took long enough for people to start waking up and flooding the CC call centers when it affected furries and LGBTBBQs. Besides, lefties are quick to backstab anybody who goes against their agenda with the slightest centrist opinion.

>>8677088
This site's got some handy blurbs. There isn't really any right or wrong answer, just waste their time as much as you can even if they hang up.
https://stop-paypros.neocities.org

>>8676652
Wero is just a fancy name for normal SEPA wire transfers. The only extra feature they (currently) have is that you give them your phone number and other people can find you by it. (Like Paypal does with your email)
But then, SEPA wire transfers are all you need. They work accross the all of the EU and the UK, you only need a bank account and there are less fees. It just isn't as comfortable to integrate into a web shop as the big Amerian payment providers. Most European companies have been offering SEPA transfers as a payment option for many years because credit cards weren't as widespread here.

>>8677091
I called and the operator knew exactly what I was calling for, and she said that their policy is under investigation, and I played dumb but was very polite and ended up hanging up after. D-did I contribute?

>>8677094
>It just isn't as comfortable to integrate into a web shop
but isn't that the whole point of Wero, to provide a similar service like Paypal but without that middleman, also without Wero most SEPA transfers took a day or more where you now get instant confirmation with it

>>8676151
>Everywhere you go you just see people making jokes "Le Goonercide! hyuk hyuk!"
Where do you see this? Most of the time I see people being negative about it. Basically, the most prevalent opinion I've seen is "yeah the content is trash and porn sucks but this is censorship and CC companies should not have the power to do this".

doesn't steam use stripe or am I wrong?

wero is the shittiest of them all imo

The most alternative solution, in my view, would be to severely punish this feminist group, which is clearly violating human rights by censoring these games and taking away our freedom of speech. In my country, Brazil, Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes was recently placed under the Magnitsky Act, as this gentleman is literally engaging in political persecution against right-wingers, especially our former president Jair Bolsonaro. A good idea would be for Trump to include the names of these activists, or the person responsible for creating Collective Shout in the Magnitsky Act, or to impose heavy sanctions against the Australian government to make them back down from their current scumbag ways, similar to what the American government is doing here in Brazil against these tyrants.

>>8675560 (OP)
Coomers are pathetic desu, you already lost this fight

>>8677387
>The most alternative solution
Cool, but the most alternative solution isn't the best solution. Punishing the feminist group of another for exercising their own right to speech by censuring the country they live in doesn't even fix the issue. You're suggesting targeted vengeance against a group, not a solution. What's to stop a different group from doing the same thing, especially if they don't care about the US, or can strongarm the US into not giving a shit? It's worked fine for the Saudis and Israelis all this time, after all; they're the reason PayPal forbids all pornographic related transactions.

The solution would be for the government to legally bind payment processors to not have the ability to curate any payments unless they are for out-and-out illegal transactions, referring those to an authority, ie the police. Responding to censorship with more censorship is a braindead idea that only justifies further arguments for banning "wrongthink" in the future.
"Let's show those feminists!" doesn't FIX the issue, it just kicks the can down the road, much like your country keeps doing chopping down their forests to make room for low-quality cattle to mulch into corned beef. Look for actual solutions, not harebrained and questionable international pissing matches that only serve to worsen the problem in the long run.

>>8676741
Indeed. White people are smart enough to know that censorship is actually a good thing.

>>8676856
>how is it retarded to say yeah this is bad for me it should probably be banned.
It's like hitting yourself in the face and expecting people not to consider you mentally ill.

>>8676393
It's so funny how this board pretended for years that it was da ebil leftists taking away your porn. Turns out that ONLY red states were in favor of implementing ID verification bullshit for porn while blue states rejected it, and now they're trying to implement KOSA to boot which is pretty much the american version of UK's OSA (which was also written and signed by the conservative party 2 years ago and the UK is now suffering for it). It's like these people seriously think conservatives aren't the most anti-porn people of all time.

>>8676151
They need to take out something bigger than a few porn sites, H games, or Indie horror games to get better attention to the issue.
No one really cares about those, but if they end up doing something like hitting Baldur's Gate 3 for animal fucking then they will start caring.

I'm starting to see a bit of a hole in the market forming here. Feels to me like if there was a fancy new payment processor in town that would allow all sorts of content they sure wouldn't run out of businesses who'd need them. Some rich guy out there could make a whooooole lot of money on this.

Well, you have a point there. Maybe simply taking away another group's freedom of speech would only make things worse. I think the US government really needs to do something about these payment processors. They can't simply decide what we should or shouldn't buy; they merely mediate payments, nothing more. By the way, I'm completely against militant groups like these who value supposed "equality" but are ultimately a bunch of self-serving hypocrites. But anyways, if the solution isn't to silence them, then the best alternative would be for the Trump administration to intervene in the credit card companies altogether. I don't know if this is being discussed with him, but it's an issue that should be pushed. Aren't you Americans the ones who defend freedom of expression? Here in Brazil, there's a hell of a lot of censorship going on because of Lula's leftist government. We're increasingly moving towards Venezuela's side, and even European countries are doing the same. If the US pulls its strings, they can certainly prevent this censorship that is happening in games from happening again.

They are also trying to stigmatize/ostracize those who enjoy CLM media as well whether it be drawn, rendered or recorded with digital or analog video equipment.

>>8677774
>CLM
whats that

>>8677781
Child Love Media

>>8677787
oh so yet another new name for CP

>>8677417
how is it hitting myself in the face?

me and you are both smoking outside of a store. we both see a 10 year old go up and buy cigs. i go hmm yeah we should probably do more than just ask if someone is over 21. you response is OMG ARE YOU RETARDED??? YOU"RE SMOKING RN!!

only people into early porn exposure have a problem with ID laws

>>8675560 (OP)
>witnessing the start of a golden age of H-games
>payment processors skullfuck the whole genre
I can't believe it went this way

>>8677088
Calling Visa/MC is kinda useless imo since their callcenters have scripts to dismiss you anyway. I'd say mass-reporting them through these channels >>8677043 should be a better start.

>>8678015
both are good, overwhelm call centers to the point that their employees get tired of that shit and start complaining too. this is the perfect time to be the most annoying piece of shit karen.

>>8677108
Yep. Rinse and repeat. Like the guy above me said, if you want to fight the Karens, you gotta be a Karen.

>>8678312
>if you want to fight the Karens, you gotta be a Karen.
I really hate this but I might call again but just keep it polite and to the point. Say, "Hey, I'm just here to say that as a customer I find it very annoying to not be able to purchase legal games, and I just want to let you know. I apologize for consistently calling but that's all I wanted to say."
I hope my efforts aren't in vain but let's hope we can get this shit done so I can go back to fapping to I want to rape my sister while mom isn't home reloaded

>>8677688
>the best alternative would be for the Trump administration to intervene in the credit card companies altogether
They won't because they're also trying to find a way to ban porn entirely as a part of P2025. They'll support any restrictions on porn that the payment processors make.

>>8677140
Wero only has p2p transfers (for now). We'll see if and when they start offering APIs for businesses.
The instant transfer is not a Wero feature. It's called SEPA instant and guarantees confirmation within 10 seconds. Starting 2027 it's mandatory to be used by all banks.

>>8677343
> wero is the shittiest of them all imo
That's unwarranted tho.

>>8676739
And yet you're here. Curious.

Sup lads, do you guys know of anyone currently making a PR campaign against mastercard?

I doubt we'll get em to reconsider just because of our telephone pressure, but if we get the general public to think "Mastercard is censoring games and books", it'll get some attention.

Just make coomersoft free. Problem solved.

>>8677663
>I'm starting to see a bit of a hole in the market forming here.
You're underestimating how much competition there in this space. There already are a few alternatives to Visa and Mastercard, the problem is that a lot of payment processors don't take them.
But an even bigger problem in investing in this kind of thing is that this "hole" is likely shrinking, not growing. Your biggest market, the US, already has age verification laws in like a third of the country that are intentionally too burdensome for non-mega-corporations to enforce, so they have to do geoblocking instead. And it's only going to get worse from here, there's no sign that this is going to reverse course anytime soon.

>>8678704
so the actual hole that's opening is in the age verification, making that as seamless and painless as possible could be quite profitable

>>8677688
Bro, the republicans ARE the ones fully on board with censoring porn, that's why it's only republican states who have ID verification to enter fucking pornhub and Trump just signed a law that forbids people from making deepfake porn. It's only blue states who rejected that notion.

>>8678752
EU is already testing official apps for that. https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet
Wanting it to be seamless and painless is a policy decision that not all jurisdictions are on board with

>>8678765
at least then they have to drop the pretense that it's about protecting the children, which makes it a whole lot easier to fight

>>8678765
since that looks like it will stay EU-only there's still a pretty big market gap to fill for the rest of the world

because of all the different laws it would need so many market-specific adjustments though, eventually

change.org
https://chng.it/FqyLwSfRry

I love black bar/Pixel etc. hentai censors. Totally censoring the whole thing will just me make organism. Its a win win.

>>8678015
>https://x.com/MastercardNews/status/1951280013799510020
seems like its actually working, they are afraid.

>>8676754
>Censorship is good
Nah, people SHOULD say whatever goes through their heads and have NO privacy whatsoever. It makes it easier for capitalist surveillance and the frumentarii to read people’s minds.

So basically this, huh

>>8679621
What does Leo Messi have to do with all this xd?

>>8675560 (OP)
There's five threads about this already, you fucking retard. And I bet you made all of them.

Visa and Mastercard refuse to operate in certain countries that are hated by (((them))).

How come you're quiet about it? It's almost as if you're a virtue signaling piece of shit aka a hypocrite.

Someone needs to find the Network Operation Center/NOC phone numbers to call for the payment processors because calling the normal customer service lines doesn't have as much of an impact.

>>8675560 (OP)
I'm too afraid to call, but I can give you a few videos that describe the situation.
1.(explains how they got us) The collapse of the american dream explained in animation, YT link: /watch?v=mII9NZ8MMVM
2.(explains the taboo kinks, their main weapon) A World Of Unusual Sexual Orientations, YT Link /watch?v=vqdlv3qEuyY
3. (explains how censorship in Japan hapened) The Cartoon History Of Tentacle Erotica, YT link: /watch?v=ue_KO_Xhi9o
I hope I did not break any rules, this is my first and maybe last time posting here. Spread the word if it was useful.

>>8675560 (OP)
Calling Visa and Mastercard 1-2 times a week. Used AI to find numbers to call. Keep at it brothers!

>>8679950
Drink a couple beers for courage

>>8679950
Hanging in the Mastercard robot menu is actually very easy and you don't have to talk to a human.

Just keep the call open, Mastercard pays the bill for this. If you are international even better because the phone bill is even bigger.

Mastercard pays theYR phone bill.

I just cancelled two of my mastercards(don't use them anyway) and the linked paypal account. I kept my black card as it is still my primary method of doing purchases(for now).
What else can I do?
Move to American Express?

>>8680333
Amex isn't any better. The only reason they're escaping scrutiny right now is because they've been restrictive all along.
If you're in the US, your best options are abroad. The problem with any US-based credit card provider is that they're subject to US laws. The US is moving toward banning porn, and US companies are reading the tea leaves

Didn't Visa get hit with a monopoly lawsuit a while back?

>>8680384
God I hate this fucking country so fucking much.

>>8680802
it's ok, it hates you too

>>8677038
Worst case scenario there is a way to work around it with voucher systems or offsite patches like the japanese do.

>>8677108
called mastercard. "you probably know why i'm calling, so instead of whatever you do why don't you go hit the can, i'll wait here till you get back."

"HELLO SAAAR"

"Well at least it's not a fucking clanker."

>>8677957
..or, yknow, people who know the first goddamn thing about information security.

>>8680384
>The US is moving toward banning porn
Not even the recent SC ruling upholding age verification is suggesting that is even in the realm of possibility anytime soon

>>8676236
>"We want a way to buy our goods without someone telling us what we can and can't spend money on."
What about censorship resistant peer to peer payment technology?
>"No, not that! My wife's boyfriend got scammed because he bought high and sold low, so I would never use it! CNN even did a report about how the planet is being burned alive by crypto mining!"

>>8675560 (OP)
jfl. the creditcard board members are emotional hags freaking out about porn and exposing the power curtain that has been invisible for decades - all to take out irrelevant gooners who make up less than a fraction of the world's population. mastercard and visa showing how activism functions: civilians with no power protest, do little, and then those same tactics are used to destabilize governments or proxy agendas (collective shout, sweet baby inc, etc). the trojan horse of democracy. collective shout was done so poorly its hard not to notice.

We need a massive movement 4 chan has wars against other sites in the past we need a big alliance of all internet and put a stop. If we block 1 day all pays with Visa/Mastercad the will surrender.some ideas to do this?

>>8680930
>so instead of whatever you do why don't you go hit the can, i'll wait here till you get back.
pretty much what I do is tell them to go take a bathroom break as my goal is to tie up the lines not give the underpaid workers a hard time.

>>8681606
not your personal army, fuck off faggot.

>>8681612
Dont need to be rude Is only an idea we are in te same team right now

>>8681505
Collective Shout is backed by tons of conservative organizations and movements like pic related, they're most certainly the ones who put the actual pressure on Visa/Mastercard to clamp down on that evil pornography that makes baby jesus cry.

Why Censorship in Games and Art Is Dangerous
Censorship is no longer just a vague threat — it’s here, and it’s spreading fast.
Games like GTA V, the upcoming GTA VI, Star Blade, and psychological horror titles like Silent Hill are increasingly at risk. Why? Because they deal with mental, adult, and complex themes. And some people have decided that anything "dark," "uncomfortable," or "too real" should be erased.
But these games matter precisely because they aren't clean, safe, or sanitized. They deal with trauma, violence, madness, beauty, and truth. They reflect a world that isn't perfect — and that's what gives them soul.

If we don’t stop censorship now, we won’t just lose games.
We’ll lose meaningful art.
Unchallenged censorship leads to a world where everything is soulless, amorphous, and sterile. No edge, no voice, no raw emotion. Future games will be nothing more than corporate-safe, plastic experiences made to sell — not to say something.
Censorship doesn’t just cut content.
It kills ideas. It erases voices. It destroys stories before they can even be told.

This is a warning — not just for gamers, but for everyone who cares about art, truth, and expression.
We’re not defending shock for the sake of shock. We’re defending the right to explore human experience — the dark, the painful, and yes, the controversial. Because if we lose that, we lose everything that makes art real.
If they succeed, all that’s left will be soulless shells.
Works with no heart. No risk. No love.

Freedom, Choice, and Fiction — Why Censorship Makes No Sense
Even Jesus gave us free will — the ability to choose between good and evil, right and wrong. That freedom is sacred, and it’s meant to be used with responsibility, not controlled by corporations.
Video games are fiction. Just like books or movies, they are stories, not instructions. They let us explore the human condition — the light and the dark — in a safe space. Playing a dark or violent game doesn’t make someone a criminal. It makes them a thinker, a seeker, or maybe just someone who enjoys a good story.
These games are already rated by age. Adults are expected to make their own decisions. That’s what the ESRB, PEGI, and other rating systems are for. We don’t need Mastercard, Visa, or any financial overlords telling us what we can or cannot play.
If something is legal, rated, and fictional — it should be left alone
Let adults be adults. Let stories be told.
And let freedom of choice exist — not just in religion or politics — but in art, games, and culture.

>>8682263
>>8682267
preaching to the choir here, go and post somewhere it might make a difference

>>8682221
retard maxxing?
>a bunch of honest to good christians are in charge of the worlds payment services
ultra instinct keks
>gooners bad, onlyfans good
i can see another group thinking this, it aint christfags

Funny thing is everyone who get credit card proved they over 18+, not 5 yo.

Call those fuckers every day to complain. Call them whenever you've got a free moment. Collective Shout got them to cave to their demands with less then 2000 fucking people, we can beat that.

>>8682410
You can't have it both ways dude. You can't use the collective shout boogeyman while pretending their backers don't count. Also for fuck's sake, the creator of Collective Shout is anti-abortion while being backed by christian organizations. You can't be this deluded to not put two and two together.

>Onlyfans
I'm sorry, has Collective Shout voiced their opinion about that site? They can't go against everything at once you know.

Also Onlyfans was hit a few months ago in the UK with the same limitation pornhub has in american red states, on top of having to pay a million pound fine as per a conservative party-made law.

>>8683457
both ways? anons are calling mastercard not Collective Shit
nobody is giving Collective Shit mass harassment. They are irrelevent.

>>8683601
I'm replying to a post originally calling Collective Shout a "proxy agenda", also no, they are getting tons of flak and being treated as a boogeyman on social media and videogame boards like /v/. They all think Collective Shout is some kind of leftist SJW feminist horde when in reality it's just conservatives being the usual conservatives: the biggest porn haters of all. The fact that everyone has a misguided image of them makes me think it was their purpose, especially with all their "we do this for women's rights! (not abortion though, because that makes jesus angry) ;)" spiel that they spout as justification for their actions.

>>8683628
trying to defend them says everything we need to know about you

>>8683687
And the fact that you interpreted that as "trying to defend them" says everything we need to know about you.

i threw together a web app that makes it easier for people to quickly reach a live agent so they can complain. imthekarennow.com

>>8683782
Nice.

Russell Vought and Project 2025: The Rise of American Censorship
Russell Vought — former Trump budget director — is the chief architect of Project 2025, a political operation backed by the Heritage Foundation and religious nationalist think tanks. What makes it dangerous is not just politics — it’s how he’s trying to bring hard censorship into American culture and law.

How Is Vought Pushing Censorship?
Under Project 2025, Vought plans to:
Politicize all federal agencies, firing non-loyalists and replacing them with ideologues.
Pressure financial companies like Visa and Mastercard to block payment processing for games, media, or platforms they consider “immoral”.
Cut public funding for any content labeled “woke” or “anti-Christian”.
Influence regulation and tech policy to remove or demonetize adult, queer, horror, or psychologically complex media.
He’s even targeting content that is clearly fictional, rated for adults, and not harmful — all because it doesn’t align with his religious-conservative agenda.

Games Under Threat
Games like:
Silent Hill (psychological horror, mental health themes),
GTA V or GTA VI (satirical adult content),
Star Blade or similar edgy indie titles,
LGBT-positive or sexually expressive visual novels, horror, or cyberpunk games...
…could be banned from stores, cut off from payment services, or blacklisted entirely — not by law, but by financial chokehold.
That’s how Vought’s plan works: no platform = no visibility = no sales = slow death of content.

This Is Religious Censorship, Not Protection
Russell Vought’s ideology is about turning the U.S. into a Christian moral nation. He and his allies believe they have the right to decide what is “safe” for everyone — even adults — by removing your ability to buy, sell, or even find the content.
It’s not about protecting people. It’s about controlling them.

Fiction Is Not a Crime
Silent Hill is not a threat. GTA is not propaganda. Games with LGBT characters are not illegal.
They're just fiction — and if they have an age rating, adults should be able to choose.
You don’t need Russell Vought, Visa, or Mastercard acting like your parents.

Stop This Before It’s Too Late
If this vision wins, we’ll get:
Games with no edge.
Stories without risk.
Art with no soul.

We’ll live in a sanitized digital world, where all content is pre-approved, neutered, and corporate-safe — a creative hell.

>>8675560 (OP)
I mean yeah? This has been happening for years with sites. Did britbongs just wake up?

>>8676169
Zoomers are anti all of those except for maybe alcohol. Cigarettes are out, vaping is in because it's "healthier" although now their are anti-vaping campaigns just like how there have been anti-cigerette campaigns for years. Alcohol is out and marijuana is in. Cigerettes have not been allowed to be advertised on TV for years. There is even a former pornstar who found Jesus and is calling for outright bans on porn.

>>8675560 (OP)
Boycott Visa and Mastercard until they back down. Pay cash for items. Get your money out of the bank from a teller. If you need to buy something online, pay cash for a gift card. Mail in checks to non online payments like your utility bills. Boycott Visa and Mastercard.

>>8685943
You know full well nobody's gonna bother. You can't even make people pay with crypto which would be many times more convenient compared to fucking cash.

Censorship Loses — For Now
Trump just signed an executive order nuking one of the biggest weapons the moral police had: financial chokeholds.
Visa, Mastercard, and woke banks were getting ready to act as your parents — blocking anything they didn’t “approve” of. Horror? Queer stories? Adult games? Too bad. No money, no sales, no freedom.

Now? That power is gone.
If this holds, you can buy whatever the hell you want, and the censors can cry about it all day.

This isn’t about left or right — it’s about telling control freaks to stay the f* out of your wallet and your library**.
Adults don’t need permission slips to play GTA, Silent Hill, or any other “forbidden” game.

Enjoy it, but stay ready.
They’ll try to take it back.

>>8686152
>enjoy it but stay ready
yes because the psycho right wing moral police will most definitely continue their efforts. why pretend it isn't specifically a conservative crusade... saying it isn't about left or right is completely false at this point especially when it seems like even dumbass liberal moms don't even care about censorship these days. like this is literally all a dumbass right wing cause now more than ever.
>this isn't about left or right
>the control freaks
the right literally are the control freaks. i feel like liberals really are just right wing at this point anyways and don't even count as left. honestly those days i always felt like, ended in the 90s but most would probably say different which is okay... seriously always felt like this has been a conservative push whole way since absolutely the late 90s... say whatever you want about 2016 and whatever even then the right were the ones making the bigger pushes in censorship. RIGHT now it's literally just the right wing 100% and the fact visa and masterkike have made so much progress and feel so emboldened is proof . but whatever vote conservative anyway, just don't be surprised? fucking dumbasses.
it's a right wing issue. i doubt even the liberals who had still pushed for this shit 90s-2016 will even be back at this point honestly

and actually specifically the few liberal politicans that EVER pushed for censorship late 90s-2017 were just virtue signaling anyways? basically everyone knows that everything THOSE fucking idiots said and did was nothing but anyways, right?
if you're a right wing cuckold and don't want to take responsibility with this issue then that's good if you don't agree with it but why all the sudden whenever it's an issue like this, it can never be at the fault of stupid gullible right wing politics? it is right wing, and specifically it's what uhh, moralist prudish fucking religious nuts right? so of course in the end we all blame them, i don't even give a fuck if anyone here is right wing i'm sure it's a very mixed bag here. the right wing in american politics is just particularly gullible the same way left wing politics had been 16 years ago. it just reflects how dumb the voter base is i would say that you have trump and actual morons in every appointed position of power whereas at least obama was yknow, intelligent and had to try harder to play shit up and rally support.

everyone just has to stop voting for these fucking idiots on either side. the politics of the united states on both ends hardly reflect at all what their voter bases want. none of us want this. we want payment processors to fuck off already, this was already a big issue in 2014, again in 2017, why has nothing changed? that's a problem. fundementally this issue is coming from a conservative backed cuckold chamber however. no more muddying the waters, straight up this problem does not exist with even liberals anymore... if you don't like this as a conservative WORK to redefine your movement and make that understood. that's one of the issues with all of this is no one condems each other specifically on the right wing. stop eating from the same pile of shit and differentiate yourselves a little harder. stop voting for suits that whore themselves out to literally everybody and just say BUZZWORD etc etc

>>8686470
>i feel like liberals really are just right wing at this point anyways and don't even count as left.
If you're talking about burger politics, then yes, you're absolutely right. The democrats are right or center-right, the republicans are far right and going further. There are leftist democrats, but not many, they're only there for lack of a better option, and they really don't represent the party as a whole
There is no liberal or leftist party in the United States. Anyone who told you otherwise is ignorant or misleading you. Learn this, internalize it, it's very important.

>>8686152
From my understanding that was about being denied from banking. While it's a good thing credit cards are not banks and they can keep moral policing.

>>8684930
>Pressure financial companies like Visa and Mastercard to block payment processing for games, media, or platforms they consider “immoral”.
Payment processors don't actually give a shit about morals. The truth is that BIG companies within the porn industry don't want to compete with people who don't have to play by the same rules they do. Sites like Pornhub can't compete when "barely legal teens" and "step-whatever porn" are all they have against artists who can draw blatant lolisho and incest. So they end up lobbying and pressuring payment processors to enforce the same restrictions on services artists use to make money.

>>8686519
really? i'd love to know more. is there anything you can show? you're saying that porn industries feel threatened by drawn porn and those industries? how does that work in a country like japan for example though. would their porn industries with their idols etc side along with pornhub and shit. i'm asking because i'm curious about your point. it sounds interesting

>>8686152
>Censorship Loses — For Now
bullshit, nothing has changed.
>woke banks
lmao. get the fuck out of here with your culture war nonsense.

>>8675560 (OP)
>Europe (Competition Commission)
>Hello,
>I write to you in hopes to find out whether you been asked to open an inquiry for the recent payment processor controversy, regarding Visa and Mastercard threatening online platforms such as Steam and Itch.io with denial of service for providing items these processors deem harmful to their brand?
>Since there aren't any alternatives, these processors are able to in effect censor content at will, without any recourse for the public. There often isn't enough economic incentive to produce these titles if the largest platforms are unable to host them.
>Are you aware of the matter or is it something your office could look into?
How's that? Maybe you'd get a better result with chatgpt

Freedom Won’t Defend Itself
Thanks to recent action, our freedom of expression and artistic freedom just got a huge win. This law protects us from overreaching censorship — meaning creators, gamers, artists, and writers can keep making what they want without having payment processors or political lobbyists deciding what’s “acceptable” for us.
But don’t get comfortable. There are still organized groups — including radical feminist movements that have openly pushed for banning entire genres, characters, and themes — working to control what you can see, play, and create. They disguise it as “safety” or “morality,” but in reality, it’s about control.
Art, games, and fiction are not crimes. They’re a mirror to imagination, and once we let censors decide what’s “allowed,” that mirror will only reflect their approved, sanitized, soulless world.
We’ve won a battle, but the war for creative freedom never ends. Keep speaking, keep creating, and never let them take the pen — or the controller — from your hands.

>>8686476
>>8686470
There are elements of the Left who definitely want to censor, even if it means allying with elements of the Right. Radical feminists i.e.
Won't help them in the long run, because they're next on the chopping block, and no leftist element is strong enough to actually fully take over to the extent extremist right-wingers can, but no one thinks in the long term.
In the end the current political landscape is chaotic, because the alliances that defined Left and Right are changing, with the Left slowly breaking since the 80s, now just much faster.
In the end it's all about power: for those who think they have power and privilege, they want to defend and keep it (or want more). Those who think they don't want either to be equals, to take over or to be treated fairly. Radical feminists think they don't have power and want to take over, some right-wingers on a moral crusade think the same, and in some areas their goals overlap, hence this strange partnership (that won't last).

>>8686671
It's an EO, not a law (also that might chanhe), and it won't do shit until it gets challenged. We need some brave website to sue MasterVisa and win, then it would be over for the next few years (while the EU builts up it's dictatorship of the civil service...).

>>8686714
>retarded identity politics
>redditor

every time

>>8687541
you cucks haven't done shit about fakku/irodori

you won't do anything

>>8687544
>redditor
Now, I may be a retard, but to this I take offense! Apologize!

>>8676739
You faggot fell for the avanguarde of the information monopolization
They could give less fuck about porn as they are the ones who pushed it when it was taboo. They just need it now as a liability to push digital ID and lock you up if gods dare you would desire nice things

>>8675560 (OP)
>We need to fight back and report them. If you're in Chile
Anda a lavarte la raja guatón culiao pajero hediondo a hoyo. Mejor pasa fecha y hora pa ir a boxearte chancho conchetumadre

The Silent War Against Gaming

What’s happening right now in gaming isn’t just “removing offensive content” — it’s the slow dismantling of artistic freedom.
From horror titles like Silent Hill, to open worlds like GTA V, to niche indie projects — everything is under the microscope. Payment processors, political lobbies, and activist groups are deciding what you are “allowed” to buy.
It starts small: one adult scene gets removed here, one “controversial” mission altered there. But soon, the scope expands. Psychological horror? Too disturbing. Mature satire? Too “harmful.” Anything that challenges a narrative? Gone.
This is not about protecting people — games already have age ratings for a reason. Adults don’t need Visa, Mastercard, PayPal, or Patreon deciding what art we can consume. Fiction is not reality, and artistic expression is not a crime.
If this censorship push wins, we’ll be left with soulless, sanitized, corporate-approved “content” — works without heart, without risk, without truth. Art will become a bland product instead of a reflection of human creativity.
Freedom of expression in games isn’t just for one genre — it’s for all of us. If they take it from one, they can take it from all.

>>8690914
Gracias por tu aporte, campeón. Ahora todos sabemos por qué la evolución dejó a algunos en pausa.

Steam Drops PayPal — Another Blow from Financial Censorship

Steam has officially stopped supporting PayPal in several regions — and it’s not just about “payment options.”
This is part of a growing trend where financial platforms quietly cut off services for games, media, or creators that don’t align with certain corporate or political agendas.
Why it matters:
PayPal has a long history of banning accounts tied to adult content, politically controversial works, or even certain indie games.
Removing PayPal from Steam means fewer payment choices for players and creators, making it harder to support the games you love.
This kind of silent censorship works by financial chokehold — if you can’t pay, you can’t play.
It’s the same tactic used by Visa, Mastercard, and Patreon: control the flow of money to control what content survives.
This isn’t about “protecting” anyone — it’s about limiting what you’re allowed to buy.
If we let this continue, the future of gaming will be a sanitized corporate garden where only “safe” content survives.

>>8691183
>If we let this continue, the future of gaming..
Silly you, do you actually think they will stop at gaming? Or political groups? Or movies and TV shows? Or books?
Just wait until book vendors aren't allowed to sell e.g. Pournelle's CoDominium novels anymore, because that guy described himself as a right-winger (even though his novels aren't very right-wing). Or maybe some other work for being too gay (hey, could swing that way).

>>8687544
yeah its pathetic. and they think hiding behind a LLM makes them appear less pathetic.

So you will boycott the system that put them with that much power in place, right, right?

>>8691184
>Steam Drops PayPal — Another Blow from Financial Censorship
didnt you just orgasm that trump is saving porn a few days ago?

>>8679621
Anita gave a speech to UN about sexy girls being evil and needed to be banned
Did she do the same defending those sexy girls?

Gamers as Criminals?

It’s getting insane. Now there are voices pushing for players to be punished — even arrested — just for playing fictional games that someone decides are “immoral” or “dangerous.”

Think about it:

You’re not harming anyone.

The game is rated, fictional, and 100% legal.

Yet political and activist groups want to treat playing like a crime.

This is how censorship mutates: from blocking payments banning platforms criminalizing players.
First it’s adult content, horror, or LGBT stories. Tomorrow it could be any game that doesn’t fit their narrow worldview.

Playing a game is not a crime. It’s art, it’s expression, it’s freedom.

If we don’t push back now, the next step is a world where choosing what you play could put you at risk.

>>8693908
>If we don’t push back now
How?

>>8675560 (OP)
>If you're in Chile
Nobody cares turd worlder. Fuck off back to /pol/
>>>/pol/

I’m really annoyed by those payment processors acting as moral police. If something isn’t illegal it should be okay to buy no matter if it’s liked or not by them.
Seeing them pressure Steam and Itch.io is so infuriating.

Cloudflare is fucking with Gelbooru and Danbooru

>>8695811
>when the proxy is enabled
Excuse me, but what dooes this mean?

UK vs 4chan – State Censorship in Action

The United Kingdom is now targeting 4chan under the Online Safety Act 2023.

In June 2025, the UK regulator Ofcom launched a formal investigation because 4chan didn’t comply with their legal demands to hand over a “risk assessment” of so-called illegal content.

By August 2025, Ofcom issued a provisional notice of non-compliance against 4chan Community Support LLC. 4chan can respond, but if Ofcom pushes forward, the consequences are brutal:

Massive fines: up to £18 million or 10% of global revenue.

ISP blocking: UK courts can force internet providers to block 4chan nationwide.

Financial chokehold: Ofcom can pressure payment processors and ad providers to cut off 4chan in the UK.

This isn’t about “safety.” It’s state censorship disguised as regulation. They want to strangle anonymity, free speech, and independent communities.

Today it’s 4chan. Tomorrow it’s any platform they don’t politically approve of.

The UK government’s plan is simple: sanitize the internet, erase dissent, and leave us with only corporate-safe, state-approved spaces.

The fight is only beginning.

The EU Wants to Control the Entire Internet

The European Union has been quietly building a censorship machine — not just for Europeans, but for the whole internet.

Through laws like the Digital Services Act (DSA) and Digital Markets Act (DMA), the EU now claims the right to regulate platforms anywhere in the world if those platforms have EU users. That means even if you’re in the U.S., Chile, Japan, or anywhere else, Brussels bureaucrats think they can decide what you can post, read, or buy.

They push for:

Global compliance: forcing companies like Valve, PayPal, Visa, and even game publishers to follow EU “content rules” or face giant fines.

Censorship exports: if a platform gets banned in the EU, the financial chokeholds and corporate rules spread worldwide.

Foreign control: the EU is not your government, but it wants the power to dictate what games you play, what memes you share, and what speech is “allowed.”

This is extraterritorial censorship — a foreign bloc trying to impose its ideology globally.

If they succeed, there will be no safe haven for free speech or edgy art anywhere online. Everything will be sanitized, EU-approved, and corporate-friendly.

A foreign power should not control the world’s internet.

>>8696668
This is sheer hubris and can only work if all major nations are on board.

>>8696928
It's already working with the GDPR though, if you want to play in our yard you gotta play by our rules or risk huge fines. And being the second largest market nobody can afford not do.

>>8696668
i just looked up dsa and its only really about transparency, illegal shit, disinformation and literal opposite of what you are talking about - like freedom of expression being a fundamental human right. i have this weird feeling that you have some kind of hidden agenda here.

What if we design some characters based on Visa and Mastercard. I bet if they found 1000s of drawings of Visa-chan and Mastercard-chan on their social media tags I bet they would notice.

>>8697481
>design some characters based on Visa and Mastercard
>>8684163

From Games to Anime: The Global Censorship Machine

It started “small.” First, regulators and moral crusaders went after games — horror titles, adult content, LGBT visual novels, even satirical open-world games. They claimed it was about “safety.”

Now it’s spreading: anime, manga, and entire websites are being blocked or censored. Platforms are under pressure, and even Cloudflare — which is supposed to be neutral infrastructure — is joining the censorship game.

The excuse? Protecting the children.
The reality? It’s political. They don’t care about kids — they use them as emotional shields to push censorship laws and gain more power.

Why the UK Is the Root Problem

The UK government has been leading this crusade with its “Online Safety Bill” and similar frameworks. They are trying to force companies worldwide to comply with their rules, and now the EU is adopting the same tactics. Their endgame is not just local regulation — it’s global control of culture and the internet.

What This Means

Games blocked or demonetized.

Anime/manga websites taken down or geo-blocked.

Infrastructure providers (Cloudflare, ISPs, payment processors) pressured into cutting off entire communities.

Fiction treated like a crime.

This is not protection. This is cultural censorship, exported by the UK and spread through the EU. And if we don’t push back, they’ll sanitize the internet until nothing authentic, edgy, or artistic survives.

his Is Straight Out of a Dystopian Novel

What’s happening right now with censorship — games being blocked, anime sites disappearing, payment processors cutting creators off, Cloudflare bending to politics — isn’t new. It’s straight out of dystopian fiction.

In 1984 by George Orwell, the government erased art, books, even words themselves, to control how people thought.
In Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury, they burned books to “protect” society from dangerous ideas.

Today, it’s the same logic — but digital. Instead of burning books, they cut off servers, block payments, and strangle platforms. Instead of protecting people, they’re just making sure no one can access anything outside the “approved” narrative.

This isn’t about children. This isn’t about safety.
It’s about power through censorship — the same nightmare Orwell and Bradbury warned us about.

>>8697271
>you have some kind of hidden agenda
it's completely obvious that he does, although I haven't quite figured out what exactly

UK is losing it.
The Online Safety Act dropped, and now porn/games/anime sites in the UK demand full ID checks. Result? VPN usage went nuclear — up +1800% in just weeks.

Instead of admitting their law is garbage, the UK gov is now talking about regulating VPNs. They want providers to force age checks, and ISPs might even block VPN traffic in the future.

No outright ban yet, but make no mistake: this is the start of a crackdown. First it was “protect the kids,” now it’s total control over what you can access online. Classic slippery slope to censorship.

Once again, Britbongs ruin the internet for everyone else.

>>8675560 (OP)
Oh well, if they start banning porn I guess I'll just have to go outside and start raping kids instead of looking at porn.

>>8699046
okay, well, right but by that logic isn't the kind of porn you're looking at more than likely already banned anyways. lol

be UK
>arrest a 21 y/o dude at the airport
>his crime? having ANIME drawings on his phone
>not real kids, not photos, literally FICTIONAL hentai
>charged under "child trafficking & pornography act"
>courts now treat cartoons = real crime
>this started back in 2012 when UK convicted a guy for having manga art
>fast forward 2025, people still getting jailed over pixels

They say "it's about protecting children"
But it's not.
It's censorship, control, and moral panic.

If anime drawings are now a crime, then **fiction is illegal**.
Next step: ban anything they don't like under "for the children™".

>>8700341
It wasn't even hentai, just an anime picture.

The European Union just took another step toward digital totalitarianism. Blocking games, anime, or websites wasn’t enough — now they want to read every private chat you send and scan all your photos.

They call it “child protection,” but we all know it’s the perfect excuse for permanent mass surveillance.

This isn’t about kids. It’s about political control and cultural censorship.
Once they can read your messages, what stops them from censoring political opinions, memes, or even normal conversations between friends?

This is not freedom. This is 1984 in real time. And the worst part? If the EU enforces it, the UK and the US will follow. Big tech companies like Cloudflare, Apple, and Microsoft are already aligned with these plans.

Don’t fall for the “safety” excuse.
They want a domesticated Internet — no anonymity, no resistance, no alternative culture.

The real question is: how much longer will people stay silent before saying enough?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2yHHniLMyM&t=15s

The EU is once again trying to push mass censorship laws, forcing surveillance on chats, banning games, and controlling platforms. And here’s the catch: Germany holds the key.

If Germany signs the law it passes for the whole EU.
If Germany rejects it the plan collapses.

One country deciding the “freedom” of millions across Europe and even outside it. This isn’t about safety, it’s about control.

Stay alert — if Germany bends, the EU will have full justification to expand censorship beyond Europe’s borders.

>>8701453
German here:
we took the wrong lessons from the Nazi era, I have no hope, the EU will become the next GDR. The US might (MIGHT) get out of this, there's still a chance, but we are done for.

WWIII is nigh and it will be digital

If the UK or EU pushes through laws to spy on all chats and break encryption, self-hosting is the way to go.

Matrix is one of the best options because it’s federated and fully open-source. You don’t need to depend on corporate servers that will hand over your data.

> How to connect Android to your own Matrix server:
1. Host Synapse (Matrix server) on your own PC, VPS, or even a Raspberry Pi.
2. Open ports (8448/443) so your server can be reached from outside your home network.
3. Get a domain name (or use a dynamic DNS) and point it to your server.
4. On Android, install **Element** (available on F-Droid or Play Store).
5. In the login screen, tap "Other" and enter your own server’s URL instead of matrix.org.
6. Create your account locally on your server. No corporate verification, no middlemen, no surveillance.

This way, even if they ban Signal or try to block VPNs, you still control your own chat server and keep E2EE (end-to-end encryption) alive.

Governments can’t easily spy on what they can’t control.

>>8702201
WWIII is ongoing but you can't tell because it is digital

>>8675721
No you don't.
If you have a plan B, no one's going to take you seriously. Clearly this issue is not important to you if you have a plan B. You can just use your plan B. No need for the credit card companies to change their policies if you have a plan B.

>>8695811
Why the fuck are so many companies fucking over non-harmful shit?

>>8700341
Right wingers: BASED BASED BASED! The world is healing! Enough of this kike bullshit! Based and trad UK, fighting the degeneracy!

What can we do to presure visa and mastercard?
I mean i am closeing my credit cards with them but as I see i it , I am just a random motherfucker that they dont really care about.