>“Landlord's right has its origin in robbery. The landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed, and demand a rent for even the natural produce of the earth" - Adam Smith

Pic unrelated.

I was hard-working & saving money for ten years to be eligible for a mortgage. After I pay it, I will buy another property and rent the one I bought. No robbery detected.

>>17751286 (OP)
>he's white so he's right!
I'm white too.
Letting people get ahead was the only significant difference between capitalism and communism, so it must have been important to capitalist victory.

>>17751602
>he's white so he's right!
I'm sorry your Mexican school textbooks didn't tell you who Adam Smith was.

>>17751286 (OP)
tough titties.
I plant my flag here. This is mine. And I have a bigger stick than you.

>tough titties.
>I plant my flag here. This is mine. And I have a bigger stick than you.

>>17751395
The income you generate from your rental property is basically a bribe your tenant is paying you for you to not call the police and have them beaten and arrested for trespassing. That isn't actually producing anything of worth, that is threatening someone with violence unless they pay you to exist on your property, and because pretty much all property is owned, they have no choice in the matter, they are forced to interact with someone like you to survive. This really can't be described as anything other than extortion.

>>17751286 (OP)
Adam smith was retarded and believed in the labor theory of value like Marx did.

I don't know why commies think this is an own.

Also this quote is taken widely out of context and he wasn't referring to the "landlords" of today.
Why can't communist ever stop lying?
Without lies, communism dies.

>>17752246
>This really can't be described as anything other than extortion.
You aren't forced to interact with them in the same way you aren't forced to interact with someone selling you food.
Your argument is retarded.

>>17752226
>WE WUZ ADAM SMIFFS
I'm sorry boon college told you he's black

>>17752606
At what point does craftsmanship and material used cease to matter when considering value? You obviously wouldn't pay nearly as much for a pair of plastic tennis shoes from some sweatshop as you would for a pair that were contracted in a place with real quality control and good leather/rubber.

Do you really think something is worth x because people decide it is? Nigger logic. Nikes cost like $5 to make in their Chinese factories and they sell for $70 lowest in the States. Why? No other reason except cutting costs.

>>17752731
>Do you really think something is worth x because people decide it is?
You mean people buying Nikes because of the associated brand rather than the quality of the material/craftsmanship that went into making each shoe?

>>17752246
If >>17751395 could not rent the property, then he would not buy it. If he did not buy it then the price would be lower. If the price of houses was lower construction companies would build less. Millions of people make similar decisions to >>17751395 across the economy, so in effect him being willing to consume less than his paycheck and save and invest the money over years and years means more homes are built.

>basically a bribe your tenant is paying you for you to not call the police and have them beaten and arrested for trespassing
Trespassing on a property that would not exist if the rentier was not willing to pay the rent, as explained. It is no different from Stalin's maxim "he who does not work does not eat". Literally the only difference is that there is a complex market mechanism behind it which you apparently don't understand.

>>17752741
>if you product-placement a turd enough, its intrinsic worth magically changes
No. It's a totally artificial and jewish inflation of final product pricing. If the time and labor spent on a high quality product doesn't matter,, then why does the craftsman bother learning his trade?

>owning property is.... le bad!
okay retard

>>17752778
Time and labor doesn't make it a high quality product. You can spend 10 hours hammering quartz into sand and that won't increase its value. Pretty sure that wasn't even what Marx was saying.

>>17752699
He was black. We know this because capitalism is niggerish theft in institutional form.

>>17752786
Owning property that you live on, or that you work yourself to derive a livelihood, is good. You are making use of the property in a way that nobody should be able to gainsay.

Simply claiming ownership of land, then charging other people money to use it for something productive, is morally backward.

>>17752226
missing the point. Leftists in the 20th century would directly quote chairman Mao because he was considered a communist thinker, not a shit skinned tyrant who succeeded by occupying a power vacuum and then pillaging certain classes with his fascist legions, like Hitler did, only to have his work rolled back after death.

>>17752802
ah yes, the myth of consensual renting
the tenant and landlord forgot to ask the leftist

>>17752843
That would be fine with him because leftists aren't populist. Here's the right way to look at it: communism is an updated system for a world where people are poor and getting poorer as they multiply. If you're a pleb in a crappy slave society, it's an important human right for elites to be restricted from lording over you. A society with wealth and upward mobility has no need for communism.

>>17751395
Nice larp

>>17751286 (OP)
Extremely antisemitic thread.

>>17751395
If you made this post 40 years ago I would've believed you. Sorry fag, you are not a good liar.

>>17752786
Landlords destroy communities by applying reductionist views to human beings. If your priority in who lives in your property is whatever tenet can pay your prices regardless of any cultural factor then neighborhoods are abolished in favor of multicultural ghettos. How does profiting off of the destruction of your counties benefit anyone?

>>17752937
>the people who own the land destroy the community of transient new people
Your problem is the current regime was established before you arrived. What you need is an ownership jubilee, just take away everyone's property rights and redistribute them one time only. Then you'll get yours and this problem goes away.

>>17751286 (OP)
It's unfair and exploitative but that's just the way life works until we can think of an alternative that doesn't involve starving/gassing tens of millions of people to get there. Under capitalism, you're supposed to use the experience of poverty to fuel your ambitions to become wealthier and continue the cycle of exploiting those poorer than you.

>>17753363
>t's unfair and exploitative
No it literally isn't

>>17752899
>only jews are richfags now bark at the jews and let the rest of the richfags continue fucking you over

>>17753498
>poor person can't afford to own a home because it requires a large down payment and the average home requires 4x the average salary to purchase
>rich person buys a home, and rents out rooms to poor people for more than the total mortgage on the whole home
>rent increases year over year, mortgage payment remains the same rate
>even taking things like tax, insurance, repairs, and upkeep into account, the rich person is building equity at a steep discount, subsidized by the poors, while maintaining the high income needed to purchase the home in the first place
>eventually the house is paid off and the rich person continues to profit ad infinitum or chooses to just not have many housing expenses.
>the rich person gets their housing paid by the poor, the poor have nothing to show for it once they move out to pay for a different rich person's house.
This isn't even taking into account things like slum lords or giant corporations getting cheaper loans than even rich individuals to buy up massive amounts of homes, or people who bought their homes 50 years ago for $80k and had inflation pay down their debt for them.

Renting is essentially debt slavery but only ever paying 100% toward interest payments. It's usury.

>>17752937
Landlords used to be eager to segregate as it raised land values and they received higher rents and prices for cheaper properties, it was only due to "progressive" (crypto-socialist) intervention during the civil rights movement that this ended.

It was you! It was socialists like yourself that brought these changes! You did this!

>nuh uh it was heckin' neoliberal progressives
Socialists believe in the "workers of the world", which means you hate "white privileged labor aristocrats" and see Jerome, Ahmed, Ranjesh and Gutierrez as "revolutionaries", many "progressives" are openly "democratic socialist" and idolize socialist and social democratic parties in Europe, since the 60s up to 25 years ago and beyond. You had this planned all along, and you succeeded, you preyed on our good nature and begged us to give these people a chance, now we no longer live in high trust white picket fence communities full of upstanding white folks, we have to live in their crime ridden ghettos. You won! Just take the W.

>>17753952
renting is no different from paying to stay at a hotel, for whatever reason you don't want to buy the home or get a mortgage, just like you're not buying the hotel, it makes sense if you're only going to work in a town for a couple of years

everyone has to be paid for, if you think you can totally reform the economic system and get rid of the very concept of money and property itself and make everything free, then just say that instead of crying about rent in particular

>>17752802
You want the government to decide for you what you and others (((need))). Totalitarian.

>>17754039
Well commies cannot into basic economics like supply and demand.
>just have all these unwashed masses compete for a limited number of apartments. The housing fairy will come build more overnight.

>>17754052
Or we could just have democratic control over the economy and use state power and resources build more houses when we need them instead of trying to "incentivize" private middlemen to do it for us in return for providing them with rent slavies to leech from.

>>17754051
No, I want companies like blackrock to decide for me what I and others need. They have decided that what we need is less homes on the market and more illegals imported to keep wages down

>>17754058
Blackrock doesn't decide what you need, they don't put you in jail if you refuse to pay them a percentage of your salary every month. The amount in which blackrock can forcibly inject themselves into your life is the amount to which the government allows them to. The government deals in force.

>>17752766
>Trespassing on a property that would not exist if the rentier was not willing to pay the rent, as explained. It is no different from Stalin's maxim "he who does not work does not eat". Literally the only difference is that there is a complex market mechanism behind it which you apparently don't understand.
The difference is that if you didn't have a job, Stalin would give you one, and give you a home too.

>>17754063
Stalin can't give you a home without appropriating the home from someone else, he doesn't build houses.

>>17754068
He employs the people who build houses and pays them to make more until everyone is homed.

>>17754071
He employs them and then pays them with money taken by force.

>>17751395
>buy a property
from who, who bought it from someone else and so on, but what did the first person in that chain do to earn it? Did they make it? Or did they steal it and get a government of their fellow robbers to back them up?
>but they made the house/farm/etc.
not talking about that, talking about the land itself, and the exclusive claim to its use

>>17754217
>dude if you really think about it, age is just a number
face the wall degenerate

>>17752766
>Trespassing on a property that would not exist

>landlords create land by existing, the earth would shrink if landlords were killed

>>17753363
>Under capitalism, you're supposed to use the experience of poverty to fuel your ambitions to become wealthier and continue the cycle of exploiting those poorer than you.
This doesn't happen in the current economy though, because there are no guard rails for abuse.
Capitalism encourages oligarchy because consortiums and monopolies are the best at controlling a market. Mixed systems to encourage competition with oversight are the strongest markets because they encourage innovation.

>>17754507
The abuse occurs when the government enables them to. Keep the free market, kill the lobby. Divorce the government from the economy, we did it with the government and the church and the results were magnificent.

>>17754039
The only reason a lot of people have intergenerational housing is die to socialist new deal era housing.
Government just building housing is something every culture and government have done for millennia. Lolbertarians cant understand that even monarchies would do this because someone not retarded can understand providing good housing is an easy path to staying in power

>>17751286 (OP)
The government is the biggest land-lord in the country.

>>17751395
The world has changed significantly and communism has become an outdated ideology. By contemporary standards the ''kulaks'' should be billionaires, not someone who owns 2 or 3 apartments

>>17754486
You lost

>>17754539
if you really think about it, who says winning is better than losing? when was that agreed upon? I! do! not! consent!

>>17752230
>but don't you DARE team up on me because that's illegitimate somehow

>>17751286 (OP)
uff; luckily we don't have feudal landlords anymore

>>17754498
>landlords create land by existing, the earth would shrink if landlords were killed
no
if you kill the landlords, you get fewer landlords that own more lands, until eventually you have one big landlord called the State™, no matter if it's a central committee, an autocrat or an assembly that dictate that you must work X (probably 14) hours of days per day for the "privilege" of housing™ (food™ and heating™ not included)

>>17754061
>only the government would ever kill people
Coca cola hired a death squad to prevent
unionizing in Latin America.
>>17754520
This. Imagine mortgaging a home for your whole life just for the government to seize under "imminent domain" lmfao

>>17755076
>if pee pee poo poo then my schitzophrenic delusion
weird how in reality it doesn't work like this and housing is cheap and abundant in communist countries

Landlords should be killed

>>17756051
Commieblock “”housing”” would not pass building standards in the civilised world.

>>17756436
>meanwhile, housing in the civilized world

>>17751286 (OP)
Landlice are responsible for most bad things in every society through history.
>>17751395
>Hur dur I have this religion called property so I can steal

>>17756471
Nothing two years of forced labor in an Alaskan timber gulag couldn't fix 2bh
>n-no we JUST want the 'build more houses' part of the soviet system, not the 'ruthless social control that would make a karen soccer mom blush' part!

>>17756471
The ironic part is he'll call this communism too because there's niggers in the video. Amerisharts aren't going to see the next century.

>>17756498
>ruthless social control
we have that already, we just call it Facebook and Palantir. All the bad parts of the Soviet system and none of the good.

>>17756436
>this post was made from the basement of a mcmansion made from literal cardboard

>>17756903
no, actually they let people live in the street and shoot up every day if they want to. this is the greatest and freest country in the world

>>17756485
>durr US law says you can't kill me so that means I'm entitled to the most ancient right of living space
naive anachronist

>>17757777
As opposed to a commie building made from literal corn cobs?

>>17756903
What's Facebook and Palantir got to do with junkies freely shooting up in the streets while multiple cops drive by and do nothing about it?

>>17759558
What are cops supposed to do about it?

>>17752246
NTA but I'm not holding my tenants hostage. They can always fuck off to another unoccupied property.
What's mine is mine and the rules I make within the limit of the law are the rules of the house. If there is no law to protect me from my tenants, there is no law to protect my tenants from me.

>>17754217
>the land itself
I own land (not a lot). It's fenced off and reserved for my exclusive use. Where is the problem with that?

>>17759561
round them up and take them in for processing. Then send them to a clinic/rehabilitation home so they can get cleaned up and re-enter society

>>17754063
Under Stalin it wasn't uncommon for several families to share a home or an apartment, so called kommunalkas were noisy and stinky, since bathing facilities were limited and opening windows is not an option in winter. If we assume that Stalin achieved a utopia where the workers kept the full value of their labor, modern Americans are still an order of magnitude wealthier so it doesn't really prove anything.

>>17754498
>there is a complex market mechanism behind it which you apparently don't understand
This really isn't difficult to understand. If someone earns $100k and spends $60k, they have contributed $40k to the economy. If over 5 years they accumulate $200k and buy a property, they are creating a demand for new homes, no different from people buying ice cream create a demand for it.

If they then rent out the property, it is no different from staying at a hotel. For whatever reason the tenant does not want to take out a mortgage, just as you do not buy the hotel you wish to stay at for a few days. In a way it is no different from buying ice cream, you could buy grazing land, a cow and an ice cream machine and do it all yourself, but instead you buy the finished product from an ice cream vendor, just as you rent a home.

Good for you seeing the light about landlords as the word was defined 200 years ago, anon. Now that you're a liberal, let's unite and defend landlords as the word is defined today against the subhuman rentcels thinking they're entitled to the fucking universe.

>>17754498
I might also add that land is not the same as a home built upon it. You can surely distinguish between these, but something tells me it needs to be in writing.

>>17751286 (OP)
Mao himself is the first-born son of a wealthy landlord. He was petulant child who ran away from home because his father had arranged a marriage for him and wanted him to stop reading books all day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Yichang

Funny how most Commie leaders were spoiled half-educated scions of bourgeoisie: Lenin, Trotsky, Molotov, Zinoviev

>>17752608
If someone owned all the fertile land then yes, it is. By the way how do you think the original landowners got all that land? They sure as hell didn't have it divinely ordained to them.

>>17759693
Ok, and? It's not the houses that are limited, its the land. If people just got plots of land for free they'd build their own homes on them.

>>17751395
You are producing nothing of worth and exploiting those less fortunate than yourself. You are a leech.

>>17759558
The cops do nothing because those in charge want the poors and undesirables to die.

>>17760217
What a truecel chad.

>>17754052
>>17754057
>The housing fairy will come build more overnight.
>we could just have democratic control over the economy and use state power and resources build more houses
they're the same picture

>>17754511
>The only reason a lot of people
That was 80 to 90 years ago, a lot has changed since then and most housing projects and neighborhoods became nightmares in the 70s and abandoned.