I love 20th century anti-imperial statecraft.
>Tito
>Nasser
>Sukarno
Who's your favorite bros?

>try to have all your senior military officials arrested
>they get word of this and overthrow you and kill hundreds of thousands of your sympathisers in reprisals
D A M A G E D

>>17752385 (OP)
>anti-imperial
>posts guy who ruled over a (small) oppressive empire
?

>>17752385 (OP)
Nasser was famous but with a pretty dismal geopolitical record tbqh. If you ask me who was the most consequential of the 20th century anti-imperialists (without counting USSR), it has to be Khomeini, and by far. Love or hate him, he simply had an immeasurable impact on the course of history.

>>17752443
Ottomans stoked factionalism among the Yugoslavs as a divide and conquer tactic, their balkanization is ironically a product of imperialism.

>>17752768
>>17752390
>>17752385 (OP)
Ataturk ?

>>17752385 (OP)
>Tito
>Sukarno
But they ruled empires..?

>>17752385 (OP)
Saddam

>>17752385 (OP)
I'm biased since I'm arab, but I'd give my life for this man, allah yerhamo. Easily my favorite arab leader of the last century and a renowned anti imperialist who even had his own political concepts for socialist panafrican and panarab alliances ruled by the people.

>>17752385 (OP)
Atatürk

>>17752792
Beat me to it
Man was an absolute beast of politics and military matters alike and almost single-handedly saved the entire country in its shape and form
A warlike leader who can successfully transition to peaceful governance is a rare sight, doing it while losing WWI, avoiding WWII, and beating back the Greeks in between is almost unheard of.

"Anti-imoerialism" isn't real.
All states are just little empires.

>>17752390
every Indonesian wished for Soekarno to come back as their President, or atleast someone that have similar influence like him.
he's an Indonesian's symbol of hope.

>>17753568
It's an adaptive branding for Marxists and anti-westerners, nothing more.

>>17753772
Yes but everyone knows deep down Indonesians long for a cold-hearted Suharto to encourage Western investment, brutalize Papuans, and rule them like a king

>>17753789
>brutalize papuans
desu, they deserved it. any separatism action are banned according to Indonesian's constitution

>>17753238
>Le fight against Chad and lose man

>>17753249
I dont like him because of his anti religious policies but i have to recognize he was a great man
>>17753238
He did a lot of good things but also dumb decisions

>>17752773
It's a product of geography

>>17752385 (OP)
>"Think communism doesnt work? Check out THIS example!"
>its always just some vanguard, Marxist-Leninist state that takes out massive loans from western/capitalist and then simply uses their power to stop their people/army from chimping out and stealing the foreign investments so they dont get scared and stop the money flowing in
Name ONE (1) example where this isnt the case

>>17754604
>He did a lot of good things
name them faggot.

>>17752385 (OP)
Nasser was literally a member of the Egyptian fascist party, unless you think fascism is anti-imperialist

>>17755844
"imperialism" in communist rhetoric is just when any capitalist country has any sort of beneficial relationship with any country that is is any doesnt parody their economic output. Its a buzzword that doesnt at all mean the actual meaning of imperialism. This is important to consider.

>>17753772
lol no he is despised by the majority
i guess the Indonesians you know are redditors and liberal/atheist scum, that's why they are fond of him

>>17752768
>Love or hate him, he simply had an immeasurable impact on the course of history.
about the same impact a piece of shit has on a punch bowl

>>17755844
fascism is a buzzword

>>17752385 (OP)
>betrays cominform to get sweet, sweet capitalist IMF loans that are eventually used to destroy his country the second the USSR goes away
>anti-imperial

>>17752385 (OP)

>>17756860
>counter-signalled the KKK and Southern Segregationists
Checks out. All heckin' based anti-westerners eventually try to score virtue points with the global south

>>17752385 (OP)
Causesescu numba won!

>>17752385 (OP)
Not exactly favorite but the most interesting one is Pol Pot. I really wonder how things would’ve turned out in the long term if he didn’t just randomly attack Vietnam for no reason

>>17756137
>that are eventually used to destroy his country
Serb cope with no basis in reality. The West initially wanted to keep Yugoslavia together

>>17758805
Publicly. Privately they were giving the green light to the secessionist republics.

>>17759090
By cucking them with a weapons embargo? Croats were helped out by Russian gun smugglers

>>17752385 (OP)
I like titp because he is pregaps the most solid piece of.proof great man theory of history had some validity, any other explanation of history can't explain why Yugoslavia imploded the minute he died

>>17760206
A nation/empire's unification hinging on the leadership of a specific figure is hardly unprecedented

>>17753249
Any good books on the man? He seems like one of the more fascinating interwar figures, but I really only know the basics about him.

>>17756860
didn't he shake Owen's hand?

>>17760206
>any other explanation of history can't explain why Yugoslavia imploded the minute he died
Well, there are multiple factors.
>unresolved ethnic tensions from WW2 (large Croatian diaspora constantly scheming to bring down Yugoslavia + Serbs trying to hoard all political power in Belgrade using victim rhetoric, e.g. the SANU Memo)
>oil shocks in the early 70s causing Yugoslavia to borrow money from IMF which reflected poorly on the economy (mass unemployment, demonstrations, strikes, reliance on remittances from West Germany)
>the Yugoslav government gradually becoming less authoritarian over the decades (Franco syndrome), therefore being more and more lenient on ethnonationalists
>the popular disillusionment in regards to communism/socialism when it became clear the Western countries are more functional; more and more Yugoslavs felt attracted to identities like nationalism and religion

>>17760188
Regardless. Germany was supporting Croatia's secessionism while America was pushing Bosniaks to proclaim independence unilaterally.

>>17760206
Yugoslavia had no real reason to exist anymore without the cold war bipolar world

>>17760693
Yugoslavia predated the Cold War.

>>17760698
The monarchy one did, which isn't quite the same thing. The communist one was predicated entirely on being neutral (non alignment movement), and being friendly and cooperative to a degree with both world blocs

>>17752385 (OP)
>imperialism bad
>therefore we should all band together and put me in charge
Based

>>17752768
USSR branding itself anti Imperialist is pretty rich.

>>17760708
Southern pan-Slavism was a homegrown movement dating to the 19th century, just like all the other nationalist movements. It had nothing to do with 20th century geopolitical alignments. Yugoslavia failed because the regional identities were too entrenched to overcome and Serbia failed in being a strong unifying force like Prussia (it was less developed than the periphery and acted without tact).

>>17760719
see
>>17755861

>>17760726
Question is, why don't various African countries break up in the same way? Many are more artificial and less ethnically unified than Yugoslavia was, but I can only think of South Sudan and the abortive Biafra secession

>>17760792
You would have to analyze case by case. Are there federations with clearly defined internal regions that coincide (mostly) with each ethnic group. Because, with the exception of Bosnia (Tito's socialist experiment), Yugoslavia was fairly easy to break up. It was already on a path of decentralization for decades. And also there are no Western sponsors for the breakaway regions, except Somaliland I suppose because Trump is promising to recognize them.

>>17760249
Not shake, but Owen did say Adolf did a quick salute towards him

>>17752385 (OP)
>Tito
>Fuck Tito
>Fuck commies
>Fuck the third world

ZDS!

>>17752385 (OP)
Kim Il Sung

>>17760188
>Croats were helped out by Russian gun smugglers
that's a trvke if I've ever seen one.
Homeland war was all about Croatia (Russia) vs. Serbs and Mujahideen (EC, NATO)