If God is real, why does evil exist?

I don't believe in god but the answer is, why should evil not exist? Does not light require darkness to exist? Or else, you couldn't tell the difference. Don't you see how if god were real he would not stop evil, because evil is necessary for the universal play to unfold.

>>17753326 (OP)
can you define evil

>>17753353
Evil is the free will of humanity to disobey what God commands.
God allows evil to exist because without it, we wouldn't know what good truly is. We wouldn't be able to form an actual relationship with the Holy. We'd be mindless robots.

God understands our ability to cause evil and sympathizes with us. He even went so far as to reveal himself in the form of a man and take on some of the most brutal suffering and evil imaginable by humans, while performing no evil of his own, in order to show us that he understand our blight.

>>17753326 (OP)
>if parents are real, why do children misbehave

>>17753326 (OP)
God is the conception of the totality of existence. Such a concept would encompass both good and evil which are human conceptions. Everything is relative to your vantage point.

>>17753326 (OP)
Because he made an infinite amount of worlds which have positive value, and in some of those worlds, evil exists, because on the whole, the world would still have value.

>>17753340
God could make it so I knew the difference even without even seeing darkness

Which god are we talking about?

>>17753466
Sure. Yes. But I mean, I don't even give a fuck about why evil exists personally, it just does. Will we get millions of dollars if we know why evil exists? The question itself is so meaningless. Who cares?

>>17753473
Dont ask me how I know this but he's talking about christianity

>>17753466
God is beyond your understanding

>>17753476
It's clearly relevant to evaluating the truth claims associated with theism

>>17753326 (OP)
There are four gods
The first is the pantheistic god that encompasses everything. It is less of a god than it is a concept
The second is the malevolent demiurge who created the original material world. Our plane of existence is only a couple levels above that one
The third god is the being of divine benevolence. Planes closer to this being have less suffering in them
The fourth god is the self-centered god who rebels against the second and third gods

>>17753485
Only christian theism. But you don't seem like you actually want to become a christian. So why don't you stop asking questions that debase Christianity and start digging into real spiritual or religious stuff that can actually answer this problem almost perfectly. Start reading Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Sufi, Hermeticism, etc. stuff and form your own opinion on god and choose what you see as true? Then you will not waste others', or your time.

>>17753326 (OP)

>>17753340
An omnibenevolent, omnipotent, omnipresent deity wouldn't need children to get raped and murdered for a universal play to unfold.

There is nothing necessary or advantageous in tolerating evil and suffering, since whatever greater good is intended to be brought about through it could've been brought about without the horror having needed to take place, and without loss of any fullness of the supposed lesson that's supposed to come from it.

Theists really, really, REALLY hate theodicy and seek for the concept to not be taken seriously since there’s no good answer for it. Evil, suffering, and terror are all completely unnecessary for an omnipotent god to carry out his work, so why allow such things to happen if he’s also omnibenevolent? God’s either not omnipotent or not omnibenevolent. Even the Catholic church’s position is essentially that although evil and suffering aren’t in any way necessary for anything, God still has his reasons for letting these things happen and we just have to trust in him. Humanity doesn’t need to be put through the wringer, but just because God lets humanity suffer for absolutely no reason, that doesn’t mean he’s not God. Same thing with Augustine’s (original) position on dead, unbaptized infants (before he later tried to walk his position back:) punishing unbaptized infants for all eternity merely for the crime of dying before being baptized might be irrational and depraved for a person to do, but the mind of God is inscrutable, and so God can’t be held to the same standard. When God wills something that’d be evil and fucked up for anyone else to will, it can’t be considered evil and fucked up, by virtue of it being willed by God.

Same scenario with the question of if God could create a rock he can’t lift. Theists seek to dismiss it on the grounds of something about God not engaging in silly tests or something, but this is just a dodge to avoid a question they can’t satisfactorily answer.

>>17753519
>There is nothing necessary or advantageous in tolerating evil and suffering
completely absurd statement and absolutely untrue.

>>17753519
I think the universal play is fine even if all that happens, because a world without evil would be hell on earth. That's that. You just need to remove yourself from your passionate emotions, that's the secret. Then you'll understand how all this makes perfect sense. You are a mere mortal who hasn't even lived a hundred years on earth and you think you can understand the whole universe? It takes effort to achieve wisdom. Effort that you, sir, have not put up.

>>17753326 (OP)
There's more than one and some are evil.

>>17753536
you're confusing spiritual beings with the almighty creator of everything.

>>17753340
>Does not light require darkness to exist
If the light is bright enough there will be no darkness.

>>17753576
This is absurd, because simply a world without darkness would be hell on earth. If the light is too bright you can't see anything except light. You can't see the horizon, the night sky, the moon.

>>17753340
so you're admitting that jewgod has limitations and can be constrained by concepts lol or allows immeasurable amounts of human suffering just so he can have his fantasy larp

the simplest answer is correct. the creator of this reality is a corrupt shithead and not some perfect god.

>>17753593
>retarded christcuck apologist

I don't need to be homeless or see homeless people to know being wealthy is good

>>17753655
That's a cool picture. As I said this doesn't concern me since I don't believe in god, but, I mean the universal play has a reason why it exists. It's all for a greater, better end than you think you understand.

>>17753663
Yeah, but you need the possibility of becoming homeless to actually enjoy being wealthy. There was this old sixties or fifties episode from some TV show. And there was a criminal and he was in a room with another man and the man told him you can rob a bank for eternity and never get caught and the guy said but there's no thrill. Wait, is this hell? And the man said, yes. This is deeper than modern tv shows and fits perfectly here.

>>17753750
Do healthy people think they need cancer?

Holy shit this argument is beyond retarded. Stop trying to justify cosmic abuse golem

>>17753756
Abuse by whom? There is no god, there is no destiny, we shape how we see the world and I saw beyond the veil. Nothing is permanent. Everything is fleeting in nature. Enjoy what you have, stop worrying about meaningless shit and letting Christ live rent free in your head. I'm not a christian. I don't subscribe to the christian god. I believe you have no idea how the world should or does work because you are not adept in any wisdom or philosophy. How the fuck did you think you can understand the entire universal scheme buddy? Reality check. You are not a wise philosopher or sage, you are a regular guy of the degenerate current age.

>>17753340
I also think the whole God thing is bullshit but how exactly does evil and suffering justify the notion of a loving god creating reality so he could test us if he's omniscient and omnipotent? Like, by definition, there's no free will in such an arrangement, so aside from arguing for predestination, how the hell do you justify a creator that creates a flawed reality so he could test you when he already knows the answer?

>>17753482
How do you know that?

>>17753767
>just a bunch of word salad insults

lmao fuck off dude. you're the retard who philosophically thinks you can't enjoy a sandwich unless you also eat literal dogshit.

>>17753768
There is free will, the free will is that you can choose to be good or bad.. and then god judges you. Just because he knows the outcome doesn't mean he destined it to be.

>>17753782
I'm not trying to insult you, I'm trying to check your reality, look.. you haven't discussed or delved deeper into this topic than a couple of times thinking about it. Working on truth claims is hard and needs effort. Effort that you have not put in. Do you expect a child to fix your car? Or do you trust the professional, who studied this job for years.

>>17753326 (OP)
He's evil or at least not good. Simply as that.

>>17753792
stop talking. you're not as smart as you think you are

>>17754102
Why should I stop when I'm feeling this good? No. I'm a smart man, I don't use logic, I use truth. Pure. I think the conversation is meaningless at this point anyhow.

>>17753353
malevolence

>>17753383
What about when god disobeys god's commands or does god lack free will because the universe forces god to enable man's evil desires?

>>17753390
Parent aren't magical perfect beings who can create entire universes from scratch, most can't even cook breakfast from scratch.

>>17753482
Light is beyond your understanding, so don't go worrying about gods before you even understand light.

>>17753326 (OP)
Because its funny and a good way to win bets against other demons.

>>17753326 (OP) It's your perception. You perceive duality, so if you think of good, you'll be making also evil.

It gives me an equal amount of comfort and dread knowing that as long as humanity prevails some stupid fucking retard will have to ask this question

>>17753353
it's le BAD things happening

>10,000 years of cruelty and suffering
>theism is the default view throughout

>a couple decades of unprecedented peace and prosperity
>there's no God because there's so much evil in the world!

Kinda sus

>>17753353
>can you define evil
Bone cancer in children.