“The medieval period was actually a vibrant period of extensive human development” is just actual cope. They were anarchic shitholes, and if Christianity hadn’t killed Rome the industrial revolution would have begun there in 800ce

>>17753788 (OP)
seethe

>>17753788 (OP)
>the industrial revolution starting in AD 800
Imagine being 1000 years further into our current dystopia. Would there even be civilization by AD 1200?

>>17753788 (OP)
>the industrial revolution would have occurred in a place where slaves did almost all of the work

>>17753808
If the average peasant had access to free digital expression he would bitch even worse than you do, you weakling pansy. Nothing ever changes.

>>17753802
>stupid judeo cult that has oppressed and set back humanity for centuries is a topic for people
>r-r-rent free

stupid golem

>>17753802
Lmao this picture describes so many people on his insane man

>>17754064
you worship jews 24/7

sybau

>>17753802
Tranny ad hominem

>>17753818
this but unironically. pre industrial fedualism wasn't much different from slavery

>>17753788 (OP)
The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>17753802
You worship a Jew, only paganism is correct. Hail Zeus

>>17753788 (OP)
>anarchic shitholes
compared to what? Our modern mutt slave states masquerading as democratic utopias?

>>17753788 (OP)
You know this is a meme graph right

>>17755387
He doesn't, atheists still unironically believe this

>>17753788 (OP)
I want to go back to the dark ages. Innovation sucks.
>sent from my Samsung Galaxy

>>17753788 (OP)
this picture is so retarded. it implies that peak roman empire had the same technological level as early modern period around 1600, which is just fucking retarded. seeing a guttenburg printing press, or a siege cannon, or anything like that, would have totally mindbroken a roman intellectual. imagine how a roman would react to picrel, which was invented in 1440, but according to this pic 1440 was like the stone age compared to 100 ce. sure the technology of peak rome was lost in some places (britain for example) but in the mediterranean basin, it is fair to say that nothing was lost in terms of science, and achievements continued to be made at the same pace.

on top of that it portrays scientific progress since 1500 as totally exponential when that couldn't be more wrong. the rate of scientific progress between 1850-1950 was much faster than the rate of progress between 1950-present day.

all in all, this jpg is total nonsense.

>>17755452
>ce

>>17753788 (OP)
>“The medieval period was actually a vibrant period of extensive human development” is just actual cope. They were anarchic shitholes, and if Christianity hadn’t killed Rome the industrial revolution would have begun there in 800ce
Seething Southron. Your degenerate civilization deserved to die.

>>17755455
i'm a christian. i'm not going to address what this picture implies about christianity, because it's too retarded to talk about. because of christianity, the people of europe were universally more moral and cultured in even 800 ce than 100 ce.

>>17753788 (OP)
>OP didn't post the full chart
Such a newfag mistake. Let me help you.

>>17755480
kek, but where is tartaria on this chart?

>>17755480
Why couldn't the Finnish and Korean Empires coexist peacefully?

>>17755487
One was communist the other liberalist.

>>17755452
Rome had the largest armies of all time until Napoleons grande armee

Rome had the largest metropolis with 2 million civilians until industrial revolution London. Keep lying to yourself. Cope. Seethe. Dialate.

>>17755876
What does that have to do with what he said?

>>17755897
Europe couldnt beat or surpass Rome in military or population until the 1800s if anything the chart is too generous to europe

>>17755903
>reading comprehension
His entire post was about technology, that's also what the chart is about

>>17755876
>muh GDP
You’re one pathetic nigger

>>17755910
>>17755921

An army requires lots and lots of technology to function

A city requires tons of infrastructure to exist.

Therefore the technologies required to run a functional army and capital city werent discovered until 1800.

I dont care about a really really accurate or a machine that can make a giant book. We need tech to feed a massive army and house 2 million people. Get your priorities straight son.

>>17755946

>>17753788 (OP)
You dumb nigger does pic related look like something built by illiterate retards like you?

OP might be right about the graph, but the fall of the roman empire is not christianity's faul.

>>17753788 (OP)
>medievals were incapable of scientific thinki-ACK!
Medieval european catholics were already smarter than you Ramesh, and they already had an idea how not to reduce their society to a caste-based shithole.

>>17753788 (OP)
>Rome the industrial revolution would have begun there in 800ce
And guess what OP? We'd be in space by 200 AA(AFTER ALEXANDER) had Alexander the Great (PBUH) not drank himself to death and finished forming his GRECO-PERSIAN-ARABIAN-INDIAN-CHINESE empire, so stop whining about the gay romans, they would've been a footnote in that timeline, so consider yourself lucky I guess. Faggot.

>>17756006
OP BTFO

>>17755998
>peasants, bourgeoisie, nobilty, aristocracy are completely different from castes, jeet!

>>17756027
>n-no, they were as vile as my own joke of civilization
An european peasant already had more rights and more intrinsic value in medieval european cosmology than contemporary poorjeet to poojeetistan elites, they certainly didn't see as their objective in life to parasite better countries with their monstrous anti-culture.

>>17753788 (OP)
maybe not in europe, but very much so in china, India, middle east + north Africa, and iberia

>>17753788 (OP)
the dark ages were kind of necessary for the industrial revolution
ancient Rome was a singular united polity; they were superior compared to their neighbors
why improve what ain't broke? they had everything going for them

when Europe fragmented, competition and strife breeded progress

>>17755876
there was baghdad and i'm pretty sure a Chinese city had a million population at some point

>>17755979
even in the dark ages light will be shed

>>17755946
while i consider roman civilization more prosperous and advanced than medieval/early modern in some ways, those small technologies that the romans lacked were a lot more crucial than made out to be

if the romans had them early on, chances are they would be much less likely to collapse

>>17756382
>they were superior
Correct, when you have slaves dealing to your needs, you can commit yourself to endeavours such as creating steam engines and mechanical pumps, so roughly reniessence technology,so only 100 years from initiating a industrial revolution, perhaps in 520AD?

>>17756422
they had slaves
what reason did they need the steam engine?

>>17753788 (OP)
No, it was actually that Christians were getting raped into oblivion by outside groups who had acquired Roman weapons, technology and strategy.
Necessarily, this caused a collapse into shitty and unstable kingdoms where people were overwhelmingly concerned with not dying.
It was a slow process toward stability and reunification so that professionals and academics could be properly supported again.

>>17756449
To power things, not good having a slave doing it when they can die on you

>>17756454
>academics could be properly supported again.
academics my ass, the industrial revolution was being driven by passionate amateurs - hopefully turning industrialists. First there was a steam engine, then came the steam engine theory. And the Wright brothers were being ridiculed by the academicians even after they were already flying kek.

>>17755387
It was turned into a meme by cretins on pol after christianity became hip.

>>17755486
Finnic rump state

>>17753818
>Marxist economic illiteracy speaking

>>17753802
Samefagging replies proving this image true btw

>>17755876
Big but not tall. Intensive but not advanced.
Romans didn't even know horse collar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_collar

>>17756585
significant figures like the important professors of gender studies. we've made such progress wow imagine where we'd be without Chiristianity

>>17753788 (OP)
>and if Christianity hadn’t killed Rome the industrial revolution would have begun there in 800ce
Citation needed on this.

>>17756449
Because burning coal to move things around is much more economically profitable than burning oats. How much does one joule of mechanical energy created by steam engine burning coal cost, and how much does joule created by horse or slave burning oats cost? Did you check prices?
Economically illiterate Marxists who made this "Romans had slaves them don't need steam engine meme" never asked this question (Marxists? Economically illiterate? Big surprise! (not) )

>>17755351
>>17753788 (OP)
Nice try but not today, Rebbe.

>>17756585
Scientific progress really began in the 1300s after the condemnations of 1277 resulted in a widespread rejection of Aristotelian physics on Christian metaphysical grounds, which induced an intellectual culture which sought to research the laws of nature. The modern concept of inertia and momentum come from Jean Buridan's rejecting Aristotelian notions of motion.
https://www.brepolsonline.net/doi/abs/10.1484/J.VIATOR.2.301526?journalCode=viator

Also everybody was memeing on that graph since forever.

>>17756574
>academics my ass, the industrial revolution was being driven by passionate amateurs - hopefully turning industrialists.
Boyle's law had published it in 1662. Imagine that Roman's didn't even knew Boyle's law.
Vacuum invented by Otto von Guericke in 1657. Imagine that Roman's didn't even knew what vacuum is.

>>17753788 (OP)
that’s just how history went
nothing was fair

the fall of rome was just one of many setbacks

look at all the civilizations and setbacks colonial europeans caused during the 19th and 20th century; that’s an even worse tragedy

>>17755979
Took 230+ years to build.

>but muh monks were the only ones preserving (plagiarising) what little remained of pagan works their christian forebears failed to destroy!
>so what if the church maintained an iron grip over all intellectual pursuit what does that have to do with anything?

>>17757730
>The first patented steam engine 1606
>Boyle's Law 1660
Vacuum is nothing btw. I am pretty sure the Greek philosophers had it figured out already that there must be nothing in order to be something.

>>17759996
"Help help I'm being oppressed in the past!"

Same shit with blacks still crying about slavery, which actually happened btw

Christianity lives rent free in your materialist head.

>if this hypothetical thing happened then this other hypothetical thing might have happened
Ok?