Germanic culture: characterized by hierarchical but meritocratic social organization, patriarchal but not misogynist, determinism applied to all levels of life. Ideally high social trust and social discipline, outgroups tend to be blamed. The cradle of scientific racism.
Pure Germanic:
>Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, Austria, Netherlands
Slavic culture: characterized by Nationalism, Revanchism, fatalism soothed by orthodox christianity. Low social trust, but high patriotism and social participation. Struggles with modernity (due to the fall of christianity)
Pure Slavic:
>Eastern europe
Graeco-Roman culture: characterized by ancestor worship, fascinated by the antique, the archaic and continuity, patriarchal and patrilinear, the most misogynist and "swarthy" culture in europe. High nationalism, moderate social trust, moderate social participation, and the most clannish and family focused. It tends to be adaptable, as it is focused on the basics.
Pure Graeco-Roman:
>Italy, Greece
Celtic culture: characterized by a modern egalitarian, archaically matrilinear and feminist social structure, promotes self sacrifice for males, worships the female. It is extinct in pure form, however it exists mixed with other cultures in some countries. Influenced modernity greatly through the UK (Victorian morality, suffragetes, equality)
Mixed cultures:
>Baltics and Finland: Germanic + Slavic
>Iberia: Celtic + Graeco-Roman
>The Balkans: Slavic + Graeco-Roman
>UK and Ireland: Celtic + Germanic
And the ultimate cultural mutt of Europe:
>French: Celtic + Germanic + Graeco-Roman

>>17755107 (OP)
>Post written by germanic hands
Germanics are just as, if not more feminist than “Celtics”.

>>17755119
Absolutely not. Germanics are not misogynist by any sense of the word, but they are not feminist, that is, female supremacists. They tend to agree with the graeco romans that power is something to be wielded by men. Historically europe has been of germanic culture.
Celtics were when they existed were female supremacists, and by a turn of fate and UK and US hegemony, ended up as the current human culture.

>>17755107 (OP)
weren't g*rmcucks written by Tacitus as being entirely motivated by women
>go to war, only thing that can motivate them fighting was seeing their women in the backline
>women wear the same exact things as men, except that they show off their chests (encouraging the LATIN BVLLS to take them as slaves)
>only slaves are under the ownership of the man in the household, anything else is under the ownership and administration of the women and the children
KEK

>>17755151
To own the slaves means to own the labour force which means to own money i.e be in control.
Owning the "domestic" is a cope.

>>17755151
Seems like societies with women rights are more warlike and heterosexual than faggot loving "patriarchal" Romans.
The Spartans themselves were the only Greeks who offered public education to their women. But who would deny that they were the most well-armed people in ancient Greece?

>>17755157
Spartans ended up pretty badly with macedonians.
Patriarchal cultures have its advantages, egalitarian have theirs.

>>17755164
> Spartans ended up pretty badly with macedonians
That was long after Anatolian immigrants muddied all Greek states, except for the conservative and "backwards-barbarish" Kingdom of Macedonia, who only ended up dominating the rest of Greece, because they had preserved the purity of their Greek blood. Meanwhile the Southern Greeks had become a mutt population of half-browns.

>>17755170
Culture doesn't change with blood. This is not a thread about genetics.
Anatolians themselves were matrilinear pre-greeks.

>>17755157
>Seems like societies with women rights are more warlike and heterosexual than faggot loving "patriarchal" Romans.
nigga Rome was at war almost continuously for more than a millenium and a half, how long is the cumulative time Lacedemon even existed as an independant polity again?

>>17755174
With "Anatolians" I meant Semites.
>>17755183
Why did the Romans loose again to the barbarians.

>>17755107 (OP)
>Influenced modernity greatly through the UK (Victorian morality, suffragetes, equality)
I would attribute this mainly to the subversion (moral and then ideological) of modern Judaism, though technology also played a role in facilitating it. I don't think being supposedly "Celtic" has much to do with this phenomenon.

Allow me to briefly explain. For the past several centuries, the people who identify as Jews were working in the background to create divisions and disrupt unity in every one of their host cultures – they also promoted general promiscuity like fornication, and drug abuse for the same reasons – since that would mean more profit for them and their organizations. Also, by them constantly promoting these social ills, it meant that people would be too distracted with other problems to identify or effectively expose their cult (or, if you will, crime family or mafia-like international organization) as being the root source that is working to exacerbate these problems in their host countries.

>>17755198
Semites (levantines at least) were also matrilineal.
Although modern ashkenazi jews are grealtly influenced by graeco-roman, so it can be confusing. culture, very clannish and obsessed with their judaic roots.
>>17755205
Victorian morality is purely pre jewish subversion.
Also the english women bullying the young men who didn't want to go to war. That's celtic culture resurfacing.
I'd say modern feminism,especially the radical one, is celtic derived, not semite derived, because it is also puritan (anti porn, anti older men- young women couples, misandrists) liberal feminism is more jewish-y, I agree.

>>17755198
>Why did the Romans loose again to the barbarians.
Don't kid yourself, Rome lost against demographics and economy - the first caused by the leeway they gave their women with time, the second because they were absolutely fucking retarded in matters of economics, like everyone else at the time, and did not practice mercantilism - not to you. Overall, Rome remained a massive military superpower right until Majorian died. The Battle of the Catalaunian Plains still displayed the masterful strategic acumen of Rome well into its last death throes in 451.

>>17755131
Have you ever been to a Nordic country? If they are not feminists I dont know who is.

>>17755219
Modern countries are all a bit influenced by US/UK hegemony, which is very celtic.

>>17755214
> Semites (levantines at least) were also matrilineal.
> believes in "science" made up by "scientists" who also agree trans people are women
>>17755216
> Romans lost because they didn't have capitalism
Retard

>>17755221
>Modern countries are all a bit influenced by US/UK hegemony, which is very celtic.
>anything to shift away the blame from Der Ewige AnglaSæx

>>17755242
I don't know what to tell you. UK were feminist, Imperial Germany was not, at all.

>>17755235
> Romans lost because they didn't have capitalism
>it's another "/his/trionic doesn't know the difference between mercantilism and capitalism" post

>>17755107 (OP)
>Celtic culture
There is no such thing.

>David Reich's laboratory found that 90% of Britain's Neolithic gene pool was overturned by a population from North Continental Europe characterised by the Bell Beaker culture around 1200 BC who carried a large amount of Yamnaya ancestry from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, including the R1b Haplogroup. This population lacked genetic affinity to other Bell Beaker populations, such as the Iberian Bell Beakers, but appeared to be an offshoot of the Corded Ware single grave people. It is currently unknown whether these Beaker peoples went on to develop Celtic languages in the British Isles, or whether later Celtic migrations introduced Celtic languages to Britain

>The close genetic affinity of these Beaker people to Continental North Europeans means that British and Irish populations cluster genetically very closely with other Northwest European populations, regardless of how much Anglo-Saxon and Viking ancestry was introduced during the 1st century

>>17755246
UK was still a mostly Germanic nation before their immigration policy shifted - that is, fairly recently.
Prussian-led Germany was an anomaly if anything, and the corrective attempt seemed to have been made with the failed 1918 Revolution and the establishment of the Weimar Regime

>>17755274
I'm not talking about genetics ffs. I'm talking about culture. The culture of the UK has been strangely feminist at all times. I think it's because they are an insular people.

>>17755280
>I'm talking about culture
In which case imperial germany is irrelevant. Have you ever been to Sweden, Austria, Netherlands or Germany today? They're the biggest feminists out there. The only reason you'd bring up a century-dead nation is if somehow its values imparted genetically to a people who live in basically a different country.

>>17755292
Talking about cultures in Imperial provinces is completely pointless, because they depend on their hegemon (the US).
Even modern Italy is legally feminist, however that is not how they were as long as they could have even a modicum of indipendence.
Culture exists only with indipendence and strenght. Most modern europeans don't have culture.

>>17755214
>I'd say modern feminism,especially the radical one, is celtic derived, not semite derived, because it is also puritan (anti porn, anti older men- young women couples
I think that this commonly observed expression of feminism is basically a resurfacing of the deeply ingrained, generational value system inherited in the anglosphere from puritanism and Christianity generally, but twisted and warped by malign elements into essentially being misandry. In some back corner of their minds, they still believe in concepts of sin, redemption and purity/holiness, but they are also being trained or conditioned into thinking in terms of class struggle by marxist teachers. That leads them to blame men for absolutely everything. If they are not self-hating then they see themselves as flawless. Then they misapply those other notional concepts in such a way that they think they are the savior of humanity, essentially, by participating in idpol-like rituals. So-called "sinners" in this view are seen as never being fully able to redeem themselves. The original idea of Christ is taken out of the picture in their own minds, with their own perceived in-group assuming that role.

It's similar to how, if there is a prominent trial going on that involves a black person in some way, the hivemind immediately assumes that the black person did nothing wrong because of their group membership. Group membership plays a much bigger role than individual culpability. So, "social justice." This is the case, at least, whenever they are successfully conditioned and then switched into this collectivist class struggle mindset, which is the same thing that the marxists did. If you look at examples of the old-time suffragettes, they were in this same mindset too.

Anyway, these people perceive themselves, in some quasi-biblical sense, as being in the role of judge. Their misandry (including self-hating men) then drives them to hate seeing men enjoy anything, becoming their definition of "sin."

>>17755310
Puritanism is celtic.
Christianity is for teenage marriage and multiplying, as it is semitized neo-platonism (greek) it's celtic culture that makes it pozzed.

>>17755307
>they depend on their hegemon (the us)
>most modern Europeans don't have culture
Then this entire thread is meaningless in terms of trying to categorizing culture. You think these modern day boundaries and demographics existed before US hegemony? Prior to WW1 the majority of these countries were just under the boots of one empire or another. A united Italy existed for just about a century, before that it was various city states, kingdoms and republics all under the influence of one power or another.

>>17755341
I'm categorizing the historical cultures that influenced Europe.
Today the entire world is america, with some cultures resisting more than others the hegemon (as it has always been).
Why was fascism Italian?
Why was scientific racism german?
Why was darwinism from the UK?
Why are the french schizophrenic?
This thread wanted to answer that. I don't know which cultures will inhabit europe post fall.

>>17755359
>I'm categorizing the historical cultures that influenced Europe
All countries to some extent influenced and were in turn influenced by their neighbors. You group modern countries into this divisions of yours but reject their actual cultural values due to "US hegemony" despite the fact most of them were squashed under a hegemony for centuries. I find your reasoning and system to be extremely flawed, however I do find your following questions to be interesting topics to explore. I do not think they are the end product of some kind of cultural group, I do however think they are triggered by a network of social, political, and economic factors coupled with the occasional historic figure.
I do not agree however that the French are schizophrenic, and I don't think darwinism is a UK thing. It's just darwin was English. Oh and scientic racism was also prevalent far outside Germany, take a look at us chattel slavery

>>17755379
Through the influence, you can find a "cultural core". That is what is explored.
Cultures influence their own people and select through societal and sexual competition for personality traits, ideas, strenghts, weaknesses.

>>17755383
>Through the influence, you can find a "cultural core". That is what is explored.
Cultures influence their own people and select through societal and sexual competition for personality traits, ideas, strenghts, weaknesses.
Whose people? The core of whose culture? You can't go by modern boundaries thanks to US hegemony, and if you go behind that you just find a similar issue but with other nations, and before that you have a complex web of thousands of local fiefdoms all being influenced by others. My chief issue with your hypothesis is how you group these countries and how you define them.

>>17755395
No north italians are not germanic.

>>17755400
Except when they were ruled by Germans for centuries. Invaded, conquered and settled by germanic tribes, ruled for centuries by the HRE. Do their cultural values not count due to the hegemony here?

>>17755107 (OP)
>characterized by hierarchical but meritocratic social organization, patriarchal but not misogynist, determinism applied to all levels of life. Ideally high social trust and social discipline, outgroups tend to be blamed

This is Prussian culture, not German. Germany and these other countries you listed together follow a combination of Protestant work ethic + Law of Jante. The German Empire implemented the seeds of current Social Democracy, since it was the chancellor of this shit, Otto von Bismarck who invented:

>The Welfare State;
>Public health;
>The financial pyramid that forms the basis of every Social Security system in the world today;
>State control over the market

Interestingly, Bismarck made these socialist reforms to prevent the growth of the SPD, the fusion of SDAP with ADAV and with de-radicalization of Anti-Socialist Laws. It's because this Marx and Engels were against social-democracy, as they considered social benefits and labour laws to be bribes that would prevent the proletariat from revolting, being used by conservative reactionaries to prevent the transition of capitalism to socialism.

Hegel, the father of all modern ideologies left-Heleianism -> Marxism, right-Hegelianism -> Fascism, neo-Kantianism + Hegelianism -> Liberal Democracy. Karl Marx necessarily follows from Martin Luther. Martin Luther was sufficient for Karl Marx. If there was no protestant Reformation, there would've been no German idealism and if there was no German idealism there would've been no German materialism, i.e. Marx and Engels.

German Reformation --> Puritanical thought -> extreme abolitionism -> late 18th to early 19th century progressivism and social Christianity -> civil rights and female empowerment -> anti racism and sexual minorities.

>>17755310
Much text

>>17755463
The purpose of German Reformation was taking back Christianity to its egalitarian, socialistic and definitelly asiatic origins. reformation indeed aimed above all to counter italian humanism and renaissance, which were grounded upon a hierarchical-aristocrstic ethos and an artistic attitude towards religion, while proposing (luther i mean) a moralistic, devout and dogmatic-textualistic kind of spirituality. Counter-Ceformation tried to save "traditionalized" christianity but it was too late. Then:

>1. Protestant egalitarianism later bacame the proto-socialism of anglo "levellers and diggers", then it took the forms of 1. locke's bourgeois liberalism, 2. herder, fichte and robespierre's populism, 3. marx's communism, and finally 4. the german "national socialist workers party"

>2. Counter reformation failed and catholicism faded. thus the mediterranean world rebuilt its identity upon the french enlightenment (which was strongly anti-egalitarian, see 'equality' in voltaire's philosophical dictionary). enlightenment unfortunately wasn't strong enough to counter the german romantik, and by the 19th century all europe had become de facto protestant (german idealism, romanticist mysticism/faux-deepness are all shills for a protestant worldview)

This is more or less the history of Christianity and its children Liberalism and Communism.

>>17755504
> tranime
Opinion discarded

>17755504
>17755463
Anyone got a banana for the favela monkey

Crying to the mods for "racism" in 5...4...

>>17755107 (OP)
>Graeco-Roman culture: characterized by ancestor worship, fascinated by the antique, the archaic and continuity, patriarchal and patrilinear, the most misogynist and "swarthy" culture in europe. High nationalism, moderate social trust, moderate social participation, and the most clannish and family focused. It tends to be adaptable, as it is focused on the basics
Definitely more applicable to Albania and maybe some South Slavic countries. Most of those are way off for Greece (most people don't know anything about history and find it boring/useless, they are fascinated with whatever is presented as "new", especially if it promises material gain and/or is promoted by individuals/groups with broad appeal, patrilinearity is a rather foreign concept that I associate with Muslims, "patriarchy" is a meme that nobody actually believes exists except maybe in very specific contexts, "misogyny" is not really a thing, at least not more than anywhere in the West, nationalism is certainly out of fashion, in fact a lot of people are extremely critical of their own country and more forgiving when it comes to others without trying to make things better, and "nationalism" is actually considered an insult/accusation by many/most. The "focused on the basics" part is also wrong, as there is a focus on "image" and "prestige", as well as money
TL;DR Foreigners' idea of Greek culture is, at best, stuck in the past, at worst, just based on conjecture without any actual knowledge. The worst part is that many Greeks are easily convinced that this is the case, because they trust what they are told rather than what they see/experience

>>17755527
Greek culture is Sparta and ancient Athens.

>>17755463
>>17755504
Martin Luther read Johannes Reuchlin (father of Christian Cabala) and he himself published Theologia Germanica, Luther can be considered in the line of the German Apophatic Mystics like Meister Eckhart and Johaness Tauler, John Calvin was influenced by the more practical Mysticism of Jean Gerson and the Devotio Moderna. Later there were a bunch of Pietist Mystics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspar_Schwenckfeld

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Franck

Paracelsus although Catholic was very influential in Protestantism, his mix of Theology and Spagyrics led to the development of Weigelianism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentin_Weigel

And people like Heinrich Kunrath and Robert Fludd mixed Paracelsianism with Christian Cabala, leading to the development of Rosicrucianism, don't forget the Rosecross they use is also the symbol of Martin Luther. All the mystical and esoteric currents of Protestantism culminated with Jakob Böhme and the development of Christian theosophy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Böhme

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_theosophy

>The fist and rose, sometimes called the rose in the fist or fist with a rose, is an emblem used or formerly used by a number of social-democrat left-wing and center-left parties and political organizations around the world

>>17755532
OP clearly refers to modern countries though (with many questionable hypotheses, such as modern British culture being of ancient Celtic). Also, pretty much everything we know about Germanic cultures is either recorded by outsiders (usually Romans) or comes from a time after foreign (again, mainly Roman) influence had already reached them.
Also, "Slavic culture" seems to describe early modern and modern Russia and some other states under its influence, not medieval Slavs

>>17755647
It kind of still is though. Ancient Greek culture remains their single most great export product until this day.

>>17755119
>>17755131
I would second OPs comments. In German countries women do know their place more so than in Celtic countries. There's this acknowledgement of women being the same but different with different responsibilities. More nativist. Egalitarian insofar there is no prejudice against women, patriarchal insofar as women naturally fall into place. If they do not fall into place, no one is stopping them from participating in male societal roles: shieldmaiden archetype. Funnily enough while Germans are cited as an example of low birth rates, the birth rates are still somewhat stable compared to the absolute travesty that is France and England with a more dominant Celtic heritage where women benefit from a more proactive effort towards their inclusion, since religious offices weren't separated in Celtic cultures.
In Germanic cultures there are male religious authorities and female religious authorities, with various cop outs for pretty much every type of autist based on aspects of the shaman: gothi, völur, ulfr, völva, priest-kings (pre-brahmanic equivalenet of IE ruling caste: kshatriya-brahman rulers), Úlfhéðnar (religious Männerbund), Berserker (religious loner ecastatic). I guess this almost structurally archetypical (together with the softer caste system seen in all IE societies) system seen in eastern IE cultures (Germanics, I suppose some Slavs although we have fewer sources on that, Scythians and other Indo-Aryans) would've contributed to the more deterministic and pragmatist/fatalistic mindset.

>>17755769
As an added tourist attraction along with the sea, sun, food, plus some quotes by well-known figures and scientific advances that are not really considered some kind of national culture. As I said above, OP seems to be assigning traits of certain 19th-20th century national cultures, arbitrarily grouped according to a simplistic "North-South-East-West" model and assumed to be homogenous, to Roman-Era ethno-cultural groups and then trying to make the model fit (in some ways, not even that). Some grains of truth might be found, but they are lost in a sea of conjecture and unproven (and most likely fallacious) hypotheses.
The model ignores other factors, land-based vs maritime, feudal vs traditional imperial vs other forms of government, religious divisions, conquests, colonies, terrain/geography, education policies, trade, recent history and the way in which all those factors (plus original ethnic cultural tendencies) have shaped each country's history and culture.

>>17755216
Rome could toss endless bodies at hannibal but like 20k random barbarians in the 400's was a force they couldn't find an army to counter.

>>17757172
At the time of hannibal, Roman women had like 10 kids, winning against hannibal and the traitorous cisalpine celts and southerner greek city states was a miracle, but they had the necessary material conditions to pursue the miracle.
By the late empire, families struggled to find heirs.
And with time rome got more feminist, not less
In fact Augustean reforms to bring back mos maiorum were viciously patriarchal and tried to bring back that ancient ethos romans had at the time of the great mediterranean wars, when the army was mostly composed of native from rome and nearby.

>>17755107 (OP)
>Celtic culture: characterized by a modern egalitarian, archaically matrilinear and feminist social structure, promotes self sacrifice for males, worships the female.

Nonsense and reeks of seethe posting.