where did they come from? the basque language has no linguistic relatives. their MDNA is fucking weird as hell. how do you explain how they got there and what their deal is?

>>17755501 (OP)
TruthNuke : They are the true IEs and they are the first R1B

>>17755501 (OP)
TRUTHNUKE: Basque, Georgian, Yenesian, Chinese and Na-Dene are all related languages. the weird distribution is the result of some crazy pre-history migration that we may never understand, but this clearly the truth.

>>17755501 (OP)
Native Vasconian-Aquitanian tribes of Southwestern Europe, before Celtic and Roman expansions

>>17755501 (OP)
Pre-Yamnaya people. They survived and remained isolated.

>>17755510
>the weird distribution is the result of some crazy pre-history migration that we may never understand, but this clearly the truth.
I mean, we've already got some puzzle pieces right?

The only prehistoric people who are well known to have kind of migrated like that are Ancient North Eurasians. Pre-Indo-European R1b-V88 probably introduced a language to native WHGs who then gave the language to farmers.

>>17755621
>pre-yamnaya
There's no yamnaya influx into Iberia, you should say "bell beakers" instead of yamnaya, and second, they had/have significant amount of R1b and more steppe ancestry than many Spaniards >>17755510
Schizophrenic

>>17755720
>they had/have more steppe ancestry than many Spaniards
they really dont, some of them even have more whg ancestry than steppe

>>17755501 (OP)
Berbers who didn't mix up with subsaharans.

>>17755501 (OP)
Obviously Paleo-Europeans of some sort.
EHhhhhhhhh, everything beyond that is murky.

>>17755738
berbers are subsaharans who got bleached by lebos

>>17756623
Cope Pedro. The Sahara was Atlantic-tier until Islamic caravans started slavery.

>>17755501 (OP)
Ultra-ancient pre-IE peope. Funnily enough tho they have among the highest ratio of R1b in Europe: meaning somewhere down the road indo-europeans genocided almost all the local males, knocked up the local females, and apparently moved somewhere else to let the raped women raise their rapebabies into their language and culture

>>17755720
>they had/have significant amount of R1b and more steppe ancestry than many Spaniards
No they don't illiterate retard. The main difference between Basque and the rest of Spain is precisely their lower steppe DNA.

>>17756859
The regions close to the basque area also have 80% R1b and used to speak a vasconic like language.

Also half of Spain used to speak a vasconic like language: iberian-tartessian.

The only difference between basques and the rest of Spain is romanization. When the Romans tried to conquest Iberia they received hard defense from the local tribes, especially the Cantabrians. In order to destroy the Cantabrians the Romans bribed the basques so they would not defend their cousins.

In exchange of this they would not be attacked. And this is the only reason why the basques still retain their pre-roman language and the cantabrians were erased.

>>17755501 (OP)
One word: Ligurians.
>>17757041
/thread

>>17755501 (OP)
>where did they come from
>where did they go!?

>>17755501 (OP)
they came from Caucasus and Anatolia, enough of this "weird mistery" bullshit

>>17755729
They do, do you want to see the models? Tard

>>17756873
useless sack of shit
baltics are closest to all whg samples, basque have as much whg as an anglo, their whg is only outstanding when compared to other southrons
and you lost
>reveal sporadic contacts between Iberia and North Africa by ~2500 BCE and, by ~2000 BCE, the replacement of 40% of Iberia’s ancestry and nearly 100% of its Y-chromosomes by people with Steppe ancestry. We show that, in the Iron Age, Steppe ancestry had spread not only into Indo-European–speaking regions but also into non-Indo-European–speaking ones, and we reveal that present-day Basques are best described as a typical Iron Age population without the admixture events that later affected the rest of Iberia. Additionally, we document how, beginning at least in the Roman period, the ancestry of the peninsula was transformed by gene flow from North Africa and the eastern Mediterranean

>This is consistent with present-day Basques who speak the only non-Indo-European language in western Europe but overlap genetically with Iron Age populations (Fig. 1D) showing substantial levels of Steppe ancestry.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6436108/

>>17756685
no it wasn't, nafris are mulattoes and will always be mulattoes

>>17758155
lets see basques having more steppe than someone from la mancha

>>17758292
Basques are direct descendants of Bell Beakers. Spajeets are mutts.

>>17755501 (OP)
>the basque language has no linguistic relatives
False, or at least misleading. It has no living relatives. That’s a massive difference. Euskara is likely the last surviving remnant of the pre-Indo-European languages once spoken across much of Western Europe. The idea that it's a complete outlier ignores that we lost 99% of those old tongues when Indo-Europeans expanded. Think of it like a linguistic fossil.

>MDNA is fucking weird as hell
Not really. Basque mitochondrial DNA (and Y-DNA like R1b) is old, but it's not alien. Their genetic profile is consistent with other populations in Iberia and western Europe with long-term local continuity. The so-called "weirdness" is often a byproduct of cherry-picked studies or misread data. If anything, their genetics reflect a lack of gene flow from later migrations, not some mystery ancestry.

>how do you explain how they got there
They didn’t "get" there. On the contrary, they stayed there. The Basques are likely descended from the Neolithic and pre-Neolithic populations of the Western Pyrenees. Their survival as a distinct group is thanks to geography (mountains, valleys) and a robust cultural identity that resisted Romanization and later assimilation.

Let's not pretend we're dealing with Atlanteans here. Keep it grounded.

>>17755501 (OP)
>the basque language has no linguistic relatives
The Romans record some place names in Aquitanian, which seems to be related to Basque.

>>17758408
this does not show them having more WSH ancestry

>>17758176
>WHG
>Steppe Ancestry
Based retard

All of the comments above are partly right and partly wrong.
Yes, the Basque language is a paleo-European language, but this doesnt mean it is a language isolate. In fact it has living relatives spoken within the Caucasus mountains.
Yes they are paternally Indo-european, but this does not necessarily mean their culture comes from the steppes.
The Basques being in Iberia for at least 2,000 years doesn't mean that they have been staying there since the Bronze Age. Since during the Iron Age, it was normal for populations to be mobile rather than sedentary, it is also possible that the Basques originated from somewhere else, e.g. in Gascony, Liguria, or even Sardinia.
People do not realize that the Indo-european migrations were not an invasion in the contemporary sense. This is a result of ignorance dangerously mixed with ideological motivation.
To explain the bizarre disconnection between Basque genetics and the Basque languages, there is only one plausible explanation:
>The pioneer Indo-european migrants were predominantly male, and had a massive reproductive advantage during the Neolithic collapse over the indigenous males because their sheperd economy was more secure in a presumed major climactic shift for the worse. Because at that time, the autochthnous populations were more numerous, it was them who were in the superior position of cultural imposition, and thus were born paternally Indo-european groups who speak Neolithic languages and practice Neolithic European culture. The Basque are one of these people, and so were the pre-Germanics of Scandinavia who left a massive linguistic substrate onto Germanic, Baltic and the Western Finno-Ugric languages.

>>17760280
>the Basques originated from somewhere else, e.g. in Gascony, Liguria, or even Sardinia
The Vascones were literally a tribe living in present day spain since the early iron age. They are genetically similar to Iron age Iberians too.

>>17760287
Yeah that's definitely true, but can we prove that the Vascones were present in Iberia beyond the Iron Age? That's what I've been trying to say, that haploautism cannot fully describe the ethnogenesis of people.
Besides Iron Age Iberians arent so different when compared to their immediate neighbors outside of the peninsula.