Thread 17757218

>if someone hits you, let them hit you again
>if someone wants to take your stuff, give it to them
>give away all your money to people who ask from you
>you should love strangers and people who want to kill you and your family
Okay how did this become the worlds largest religion?

>>17757218 (OP)
Sword and fire.

>>17757218 (OP)
It's about being dispassionate and humble in the face of persecution, inward disposition and not as such outward conduct. The Stoics for instance taught that even when dispensing justice in the form of punishment for transgressions such as a death penalty, one should do so with love and dispassion towards the punished, which congealed well with the Platonic idea that the higher faculties of the soul rejoiced when undergoing punishment since it took pleasure in justice; one is doing the punished a favour in exacting just retribution upon them. Violence in self-defence is permissable inasmuch as not doing so will lead to injustice and evergreater injustice, but sensual craving, selfishness, greed and vanity should never be part of the equation.

>>17757247
>be dispassionate and humble in the face of persecution
>then immediately persecute anyone who isn't jewish or christian once you gain power

>>17757247
Jesus never said any of this btw, your mixing Greek thought with your semitic scripture

>>17757250
No contradiction in that at all. Dispassionate destruction of the enemies of God (first and foremost the vile Pharisees) is what is commanded of us by justice.

>>17757255
He said exactly that though. In fact, the Stoics are even more "libtarded" than Jesus, as they championed loving and protecting refugees.
https://journals.openedition.org/pallas/21904

>>17757273
Show me scripture were Jesus says
> Violence in self-defence is permissable inasmuch as not doing so will lea Violence in self-defence is permissable inasmuch as not doing so will lead to injustice and evergreater injustice, but sensual craving, selfishness, greed and vanity should never be part of the equation.d to injustice and evergreater injustice, but sensual craving, selfishness, greed and vanity should never be part of the equation.

>>17757279
Jesus said to slay everyone who doesn't want to submit to his rule and told all his followers that owning a sword is more important than owning a coat.

>>17757279
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied. (Luke 22:36-38)
If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. (Romans 13:18)
Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.” (John 19:11)

>>17757218 (OP)
Just keep pushing the goalpost (Jesus will return!) and when it dosen't work make excuses fir why it will happen later and repeat until people get for of it all.

>>17757292
Thank you for the verses, I learned something today

>>17757289
Jesus said whatever writer wanted him to say that was convenient at that particular time.

>>17757296
Nope. The entire NT is perfectly consistent. People just lack basic phronesis and sophia to be able to assess it.

>>17757255
There is nothing specifically "Semitic" about the moral principles outlined.

>>17757311
>The entire NT is perfectly consistent.
If you ignore the inconsistencies

>>17757292
Non of those verses says that it's okay to use violence in self defense

Because it wasn't about getting mugged and smiling about it. You're quoting the Sermon on the Mount like it’s a Reddit-tier guide to being a doormat, when it's actually a total rejection of the pagan honor code. Christ didn't come to reinforce tribal vengeance or survival-of-the-fittest morality. He came to break that cycle entirely.

>Turning the other cheek
It's not passivity. It’s defiance. In Roman society, a backhand was a way to humiliate someone beneath you. Turning the other cheek forces your attacker to treat you as an equal.

>Giving your cloak
You shame your oppressor by exposing the injustice of their greed.

>Loving your enemy
That’s the nuclear option; not emotional surrender, but the radical assertion that no tyrant can control your soul.

The early Church spread not because it offered political power or wealth (quite the opposite), but because people saw in it a dignity, a coherence, and a supernatural strength that pagan Rome couldn’t touch. Martyrs went to their deaths forgiving their killers, and the blood of those martyrs seeded an empire-wide conversion. If Christianity were what you describe, a pathetic call to roll over and die, it wouldn’t have survived the first century. What you’re mocking isn’t Christianity, it’s a caricature. The real thing overturned the most powerful empire in the world without a single sword. Maybe ask "how" before you scoff at "why."

>>17757311
>The entire NT is perfectly consistent

Can't decide on jesus geneology, can't decide on events during crucifixion/resurrection, can't even decide how Judas died.

Stop lying christkike

>>17757366
>The early Church spread not because it offered political power or wealth (quite the opposite), but because people saw in it a dignity, a coherence, and a supernatural strength that pagan Rome couldn’t touch.
What it "offered" was bribing the large peasant and urban poor classes of the empire, only to predictably and hilariously betray them once it gained power and wealth - much like Christianity's successor, communism

>>17757366
>chatgpt

>>17757311
>Nope. The entire NT is perfectly consistent. People just lack basic phronesis and sophia to be able to assess it.
Just a pleasant and warm reminder that the early Christians, particularly in the late Roman Empire (while they busied themselves with running it into the ground) were utterly convinced that Jesus was imminently going to return and the world would end as promised.

>>17757218 (OP)
Because if you do then God's spirit will sustain you. God's spirit is so holy that if you have it and you simply touch people you heal them. A venomous snake can bite you and wouldn't kill you. You could drink poison and not die. Lions will lie tamed before you. You would see visions of the future. You would receive messages from God. People would inquire you about God and you could answer them. You could give them answers from God. You could hear God's voice.

If God's spirit was with you then you would understand many languages. And you would prophecy. If you do what he told you and you trust your life in God's hand and not fight back. Then God will fight for you. Your enemies wouldn't win because God himself would defeat them.

>>17757377
2 Thessalonians 2 indicates they expected the return of Christ to be presaged by the coming of the Antichrist. And no, most scholars accept it is authentic.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0142064X12462654

>>17757367
>le 2004 baby's first Bible contradictions that have been refuted 40 billion times
The AIDS induced meningitis has rotted your brain out kek

>>17757391
... thus making his apocalyptic delusions even further from the truth

>>17757399
>yet another 9048045684th time a christian alludes to a solution to a bible error that doesn't actually exist and hopes you're dumb enough to take his word for it

explain those contradictions then. you won't lmao.

>>17757408
Non sequitur. I have your IQ pegged at 89.

>>17757445
Do not throw pearls before swine. (Matthew 7:6)

>>17757457
>no argument

Your failure is noted

>>17757603
If you can't do basic Googling, then you are not fit to have a conversation. It's actually kind of pathetic how obsessed you are spamming multiple threads with your retarded takes. I'm sorry your parents told you can't have gay sex, but you gotta get over it, faggot.

>>17757218 (OP)
There were a lot of slaves in the Roman empire. This sort of stuff appeals to them.

>>17757611
>continues to allude to a solution that doesn't exist

You failure is noted

>>17757617
Rodney Stark already proved the primary group Christianity appealed was the middle class and traders. The ethics are no different from Stoic ethics so popular amongst the Roman aristocracy either.

>>17757451
You worship a Jewish man of questionable veracity as a dead man-god, I'd be shocked if your IQ hit the double digits.

>>17757652
https://files.catbox.moe/2geu1f.jpg

Being a Jesus mythicist? That's 79 IQ. Can we drop it to 60? I sure bet we can!

>>17757659
>takes online IQ tests
Oh dear. Looks like the double digit hypothesis was too optimistic after all.

>>17757662
Now THAT is cope. Not knowing anything about the WAIS-IV? That's 74 IQ.

>>17757373
Cool stuff, but doesn’t hold up historically. Christianity began with no power, no state sponsorship, and no mechanism to “bribe” anyone. What’s the bribe? “Join us, and maybe you’ll get crucified upside-down like Peter”? Or torn apart in an amphitheater?

Christians worshipped a crucified criminal and called Him God. In a culture obsessed with strength, honor, and empire, that was absurd. And yet, the faith exploded, across social classes, across regions, even into the aristocracy and army. The appeal wasn’t material, it was moral and spiritual. The Church offered meaning where Rome offered spectacle, healing where the state offered indifference, and eternal life where Caesar offered bread and circuses.

>bribes and corruption
Once the Church became entangled with imperial politics, it did struggle with corruption. But betrayal of Christian teaching doesn’t invalidate the teaching—it proves its moral standard. You don’t blame Plato because tyrants misused philosophy. Likewise, you don’t blame Christ because weak men failed Him.

>communism
Ironic. Communism denies God, denies the soul, and murders millions in the name of equality. Christianity canonizes the poor, preaches forgiveness, and builds hospitals. If you think they're alike, you’re reading Marx, not Matthew.

>>17757376
He mad

>>17757373
As Rodney Stark has demonstrated, Christianity primarily appealed to the literate middle class, which is precisely why it managed to spread so far and wide — the aristocracy could see it as sufficiently high class and dignified for themselves, without its being repulsive to the lower classes. And this is without getting into the fact that Christians would the only ones who would remain in urban areas during pandemics and outbreaks of illnesses to take care of the sick, which assured their economic and cultural dominance.

>>17757617
/thread

>>17757628
>umm sweety thats been deboonked
No, it hasn't. Kys liar

>>17757748
>IndianHistory
Lmao Rajesh

OP is in the 11th grade at most I can tell.

>>17757754
>no argument
>christnigger heaven filled to the brim with browns
Lol you're gonna love it up there

>>17757786
Whatever you say, Panjubradjeeshniggershitonstreeteesheesh. I'll have the fries with the cheeseburger.

>>17757793
>mexican thinks it's white

>>17757801
I know you're getting all worked up sis, but please, don't forget to dilate, all of the sisterhood has already killed themselves, we can't lose you too! (Actually nvm we can get that rope faggot)

>>17757748
>christians were proto-tranny groomers
Not at all surprising.

>obvious samefag
Desperate little gay slut lmao

Is this its gay "mating" ritual calling? I don't speak subhuman.

>>17757366
>The real thing overturned the most powerful empire in the world without a single sword.
Constantine fought a civil war and specifically made it the official religion after he murdered his countrymen in a naked coup

>>17757923
Christianity was demographically taking over the Empire prior to Constantine. Julian the Apostate was complaining about the popular decline of paganism in the 360s and begrudgingly praised Christian monks for their virtues and Christian communities for the solidarity exhibited by their members.

>>17757923
Let’s be clear: Christianity didn’t start with Constantine. It was already exploding underground, in catacombs, homes, and hearts, despite three centuries of brutal state suppression. Constantine recognized its momentum. He didn’t invent it. At best, he removed the boot from its neck. Also, he didn’t make it the official religion. That came later, under Theodosius. Constantine legalized it, gave it breathing room, and yes, gave bishops a seat at the table. That’s not nothing, but it’s a far cry from “Christianity was born from bloodshed.” The blood that built the Church came from its martyrs, not its enemies.

If anything, the Church’s struggle after Constantine was keeping its soul while gaining power. The faith that had conquered hearts now had to survive palaces. And that tension (between Christ crucified and Caesar crowned) has defined Christian history ever since.

>>17757218 (OP) I think I'll have to explain everything to you after all.

Only those who needs a beating, gets a beating.
>oh, but it was a innocent man
In this lifetime. Do you really thought you would be able to get away with your wrongdoings by dying? You'll be reborn again, nigga. And you'll reap what you sow.

>>17757366
>be nice
>actually it's a bushido code
Retarded

>>17759453
Not bushido, but 'beatitude.' There's a difference between "be nice" and "be holy." Christ wasn’t preaching etiquette. He was flipping the moral order. That’s why Rome feared Him and hell hates Him.

It's like the perfect strategy for losing and fast tracking your country for the subverters...truly based of losing is your goal...almost as if...noooo that's just crazy talk. *takes meds

>>17757218 (OP)
Followers lie about the teachings. simple as. They will either claim that the parts you're referring to aren't meant to be taken literally, or they will claim that there are various exceptions, or they will just pretend that they don't exist.

Many people claim to be Christian but when you compare their behavior against Jesus' teachings, you will quickly realize that most of these people aren't Christians, even if they think they are. The number of real Christians in the world is extremely small, but that's the case for most religions.

>>17757218 (OP)
Because it is a religion of the weak and powerless.
They did not have the capacity or resources to protect themselves so they reassured themselves by saying that Big Sky Daddy will save them and avenge them.

>>17757255
He did you mong
the anon above explained it quite well but let me expound:
>turn the other cheek
right hand/left hand slap, forcing the aggressor to slap you as an equal not as an inferior
>give the tunic too
shaming the greedy plaintiff who is suing you for your coat
These rules are for a community of believers. obviously one can't hope to shame the pharisees because they are shameless

>>17757296
>"show me"
>gets shown
>"uhhhh they made it up"
how convenient for (you) to move the goalposts

>>17759564
If it's so weak why are (you) so buttmad?

>>17757352
Jesus didn't tell Peter he was wrong for cutting off the ear of the lynch mob goon. He just says, not right now, I'm doing some other shit.

>>17757367
you love sucking Mohamed cock so much it is making me cry

>>17757603
your failure has been witnessed by every anon in this fucking thread, what are you going to do? WHAT DO YOU DO?!

>>17760096
come over here and be a man >>17760096

>>17757676
>has zero limitations through his rant
>forgets that Christ came to show that everyone's strength was actually their weakness.
the rest of your rant is schizo

>>17757951
>entire post regards lack of sacrifices being made
>thinks everyone then just bent over and accepted the new thing
lol

>>17760335
>Noo you should suck Jewish cock instead

All abrahamics are retarded cancer

>>17759577
Why are you adding extra stuff that isn't in the text?

>>17757255
The scriptures were written in koinon greek

>>17757445
>I can't fathom a king ruling twice, once at 22 and once at 42

>>17757445
I'm stealing a Reddit comment, because you deserve to be owned by a redditor:
>Ahaziah reigned twice. The first time at 22 he reigned over Judah in Jerusalem. The second time he reigned at 42 was after Israel and Judah were reunited into 1 nation and he was chosen to reign over Israel. However both times he was removed from king because he was wicked.

>>17757218 (OP)
The purpose of these teachings was to get you to reject a material life and enmity with your fellow man. Material things can be replaced and frequently are for one reason or another, your fellow man cannot be replaced once he is lost. The old testament (in part) taught that those who deserve punishment will be punished and harshly, the new testament taught (in part) being protected by a supreme being means that you need to act the part and not allow yourself to fall into wickedness.

>>17757218 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKduH8ptX-g
If this doesn't give you goosebumps you have no soul

>>17757218 (OP)
>Okay how did this become the world’s largest religion?
It was embraced by slaves who had nothing to give, this everything to receive.

>>17757218 (OP)
>Okay how did this become the worlds largest religion?
because nobody actually follows the shit you greentexted. they pick the parts they like or what the pastor tells them and that is it.

>>17760522
>no rebuttal
why are you a neo-pharisee jew?

>>17762896
Jesus recognized the authority of the pharesees

>>17757923
this was pretty normal for Roman Emperors to be fair. The civil war and murder part I mean, not the changing the state religion part.

>>17762903
oy fucking vey
(you) lie as much as a jew
you must really be one
Here's the relevant quote in plain English, because your Untermenschen IQ cannot into KJV

>>17757218 (OP) Why fight God and be an eternal loser if you can be God?

>>17757923
And why did Constantine do that, I wonder? Why was he so into Christianity? Wonder what happened to make him a believer. Hm.

The point of turn the other cheek wasn't to overturn pagan value systems (which none of Jesus' audience believed in anyway) it was to argue against violent resistance to Roman rule *right now* because God will soon kill Jewish enemies for them. He was a Jew not a Platonist, all of this equal value of souls stuff comes from Greeks not from any of Jesus' teachings which are fundamentally based on superstition not philosophy

>>17761949
All meaningless garbage

>>17757218 (OP)
Do your duty.
That's all that is required.
Embrace Righteousness.

>>17763626
he saw the power for institutional Christianity in terms of state power
that's the real answer, you won't like that