Anonymous
6/14/2025, 10:29:49 AM No.17763149
Why did they give it all up without a fight? Why, even the Red Army, KGB, etc., did nothing.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 10:31:06 AM No.17763150
>>17763149 (OP)
Communism was actually getting in the KGBs way of acheiving their own personal Slavist Oligarchy
Communism was actually getting in the KGBs way of acheiving their own personal Slavist Oligarchy
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 10:41:21 AM No.17763160
Colour revolutionaries saw the super markets of american carcinogenic corn oil slop where 50% of the food gets wasted and has bleach poured over it so homeless don't eat it. And thought > wow that is totally better than employment, having a socialized apartment and healthcare. Unknown what screw my calorie dense traditional Slavic home made food with no poisons.... dude muh pizza hutt
>every gets aids and dies in the 90s.
>every gets aids and dies in the 90s.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 10:42:21 AM No.17763163
Civilians tried to fight back but got run over by Yeltsins tanks.
The dismantling of the USSR was almost a decade in the making. Andropov made the dumb decision to bring back actual exiled traitors like Yakovlev for the experience living overseas for possible ideas of reforms, Andropov was smart enough to keep them at arms length, but he kicked the bucket immediately, and the inexperienced, borderline retarded Gorbachev came in and who were the group that quickly became dominated his entire policy development? The Yakovlev "Leningrad Law Development" group.
Perestroika and Glasnost were designed to quite literally destroy the Soviet economy and society, under Glasnost, all media was handed literally over to Anti-Government/Anti-Communist elements under the name of "transparency" and "Criticize everything", Cooperative owners and heads of production departments quickly morphed into Oligarchs, and worked with organized crime and ""Reformist"" elements to create mass artifical shortages, ships were left in ports, trains cargo left at good stations to rot, when loyal elements of the Government sent in students and workers to try get the goods unloaded and out, they were beaten up by Bratva. This happened all through the 80s and 90s.
Then Gorbachev let the Baltics go and it was then a Nationalist feeding frenzy. Gorbachev being a retard, outmanuvered by Yeltsin and Gaidar and the Communist Party was literally BANNED, even though the USSR had not even been "dismantled", it wasn't that long until the entire country fell apart.
Also the Soviet paternalistic attitude worked against it. People were taught to be good Communists, they were taught to follow daddy-Government, and Gorbachev and Yeltsin told them to jump off a cliff.
The dismantling of the USSR was almost a decade in the making. Andropov made the dumb decision to bring back actual exiled traitors like Yakovlev for the experience living overseas for possible ideas of reforms, Andropov was smart enough to keep them at arms length, but he kicked the bucket immediately, and the inexperienced, borderline retarded Gorbachev came in and who were the group that quickly became dominated his entire policy development? The Yakovlev "Leningrad Law Development" group.
Perestroika and Glasnost were designed to quite literally destroy the Soviet economy and society, under Glasnost, all media was handed literally over to Anti-Government/Anti-Communist elements under the name of "transparency" and "Criticize everything", Cooperative owners and heads of production departments quickly morphed into Oligarchs, and worked with organized crime and ""Reformist"" elements to create mass artifical shortages, ships were left in ports, trains cargo left at good stations to rot, when loyal elements of the Government sent in students and workers to try get the goods unloaded and out, they were beaten up by Bratva. This happened all through the 80s and 90s.
Then Gorbachev let the Baltics go and it was then a Nationalist feeding frenzy. Gorbachev being a retard, outmanuvered by Yeltsin and Gaidar and the Communist Party was literally BANNED, even though the USSR had not even been "dismantled", it wasn't that long until the entire country fell apart.
Also the Soviet paternalistic attitude worked against it. People were taught to be good Communists, they were taught to follow daddy-Government, and Gorbachev and Yeltsin told them to jump off a cliff.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 10:45:41 AM No.17763165
>>17763163
People were not taught to be good communists*
Also I would add, the literal fucking slogan of the Leningrad Law clique was "Hit at Marxist-Leninism with Lenin, hit at Lenin with Marx, hit at Marx with Plekhanov, hit at Plekhanov with Social Democracy, hit at Social Democracy with Liberalism"
These people the moment they got in, set out to destroy the USSR.
After the USSR collapsed, there is an article by the NYT or Atlantic, can't remember which one, which literally caused Yakovlev to be the greatest US asset to have ever lived.
People were not taught to be good communists*
Also I would add, the literal fucking slogan of the Leningrad Law clique was "Hit at Marxist-Leninism with Lenin, hit at Lenin with Marx, hit at Marx with Plekhanov, hit at Plekhanov with Social Democracy, hit at Social Democracy with Liberalism"
These people the moment they got in, set out to destroy the USSR.
After the USSR collapsed, there is an article by the NYT or Atlantic, can't remember which one, which literally caused Yakovlev to be the greatest US asset to have ever lived.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 10:56:06 AM No.17763175
>>17763160
>>17763163
>>17763165
Why wasn't Communism a robust enough ideology to not allow the USSR to be eaten from the inside by American double agents and corrupt slavic oligarchs?
>>17763163
>>17763165
Why wasn't Communism a robust enough ideology to not allow the USSR to be eaten from the inside by American double agents and corrupt slavic oligarchs?
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:07:43 AM No.17763203
>>17763149 (OP)
They did you fucking retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_coup_attempt
This board is garbage
They did you fucking retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_coup_attempt
This board is garbage
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:25:17 AM No.17763239
>>17763160
>there was no waste in the Soviet economy
>people were actually able to obtain socialized housing without having to be married + waiting for a decade
>In the 80s the Soviet food industry was able to properly support the population
Seed oils is a uniquely American issue and the fact that you bring this up, together with your ignorance of the actual conditions of the Soviet Union makes me call you a Burger.
>there was no waste in the Soviet economy
>people were actually able to obtain socialized housing without having to be married + waiting for a decade
>In the 80s the Soviet food industry was able to properly support the population
Seed oils is a uniquely American issue and the fact that you bring this up, together with your ignorance of the actual conditions of the Soviet Union makes me call you a Burger.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 12:25:48 PM No.17763318
>>17763203
>Casualties and losses 3 died by suicide 3 civilians killed
When Russians actually resisted regime change in 1917 around 10 million people died in 5 year long civil war. No one cared for USSR to continue to exist.
>Casualties and losses 3 died by suicide 3 civilians killed
When Russians actually resisted regime change in 1917 around 10 million people died in 5 year long civil war. No one cared for USSR to continue to exist.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 2:28:39 PM No.17763424
>>17763175
Structual issues in it's bureacuracy, Stalin's purges knocked out many of the true believers and left self-interested liberal sychophants like Khrushchev and Beria. Stalin himself was a true believer, but his paranoia led him to see disagreements from loyal followers as signs of being factionalist traitors, and asskissers as signs of loyalty. This meant that people offering genuinely good faith advice, often ended up demoted or even on the chopping block. It should be noted as well, Beria was a hyper-factionalist shithead and basically controlled what information went in and out from Stalin, this meant Beria started knocking out true believers so when Stalin kicked it, he could get into power and reform the USSR into a liberal state. Beria immediately after Stalin died was in deep contact with the UK to "reform" the USSR.
Nonmenklatura system basically led to a similar system like Chinese imperial system, where the system becomes a hyper-competitive "meritocracy" where you actively sabotage other agencies and fellow bureaucrats so you can get the most "merits" to level up through the system. This is how Chinese imperial system worked and that system is INFAMOUS for its backstabbing and scheming.
In the USSR this famously led to the N1 rocket engines being sabotaged by inter-deprtmental rivaly, and the Soviet internet being ass fucked by rival departments
>The OGAS proposal was resented by some liberals as excessive central control,[9] but failed primarily because of bureaucratic infighting. It was under the auspices of the Central Statistical Administration, and fell afoul of Vasily Garbuzov, who saw a threat to his Ministry of Finance.[3][4][9] When EGSVT[note 1] failed, the next attempt, SOFE,[note 2] was done in 1964 by Nikolay Fedorenko, who attempted to build an information network that could be used in economic planning in Soviet Union's planned economy. The project was successful at a micro-level but did not spread into wide use.[10]
Structual issues in it's bureacuracy, Stalin's purges knocked out many of the true believers and left self-interested liberal sychophants like Khrushchev and Beria. Stalin himself was a true believer, but his paranoia led him to see disagreements from loyal followers as signs of being factionalist traitors, and asskissers as signs of loyalty. This meant that people offering genuinely good faith advice, often ended up demoted or even on the chopping block. It should be noted as well, Beria was a hyper-factionalist shithead and basically controlled what information went in and out from Stalin, this meant Beria started knocking out true believers so when Stalin kicked it, he could get into power and reform the USSR into a liberal state. Beria immediately after Stalin died was in deep contact with the UK to "reform" the USSR.
Nonmenklatura system basically led to a similar system like Chinese imperial system, where the system becomes a hyper-competitive "meritocracy" where you actively sabotage other agencies and fellow bureaucrats so you can get the most "merits" to level up through the system. This is how Chinese imperial system worked and that system is INFAMOUS for its backstabbing and scheming.
In the USSR this famously led to the N1 rocket engines being sabotaged by inter-deprtmental rivaly, and the Soviet internet being ass fucked by rival departments
>The OGAS proposal was resented by some liberals as excessive central control,[9] but failed primarily because of bureaucratic infighting. It was under the auspices of the Central Statistical Administration, and fell afoul of Vasily Garbuzov, who saw a threat to his Ministry of Finance.[3][4][9] When EGSVT[note 1] failed, the next attempt, SOFE,[note 2] was done in 1964 by Nikolay Fedorenko, who attempted to build an information network that could be used in economic planning in Soviet Union's planned economy. The project was successful at a micro-level but did not spread into wide use.[10]
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 2:32:54 PM No.17763432
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 2:33:33 PM No.17763433
>>17763424
I think it should also be noted, the USSR was the first of it's kind, it's arguably the 3rd major revolution after the US and French revolutions that tried to install a new "liberal ideal" state. The USSR failed, but lessons can be learned from it, like the Chinese engaged in where the Chinese system ended up as a far more dynamic and representative system. It's likely, eventually, China's system will also reach a impass, in which perhaps, a new better form will arise.
I also believe that Western Liberal democracy is probably not going to hold out the next 100 years. You are already seeing the "late soviet era" cracks in the Western liberal order now, especially around the complete collapse of the social contract.
I think it should also be noted, the USSR was the first of it's kind, it's arguably the 3rd major revolution after the US and French revolutions that tried to install a new "liberal ideal" state. The USSR failed, but lessons can be learned from it, like the Chinese engaged in where the Chinese system ended up as a far more dynamic and representative system. It's likely, eventually, China's system will also reach a impass, in which perhaps, a new better form will arise.
I also believe that Western Liberal democracy is probably not going to hold out the next 100 years. You are already seeing the "late soviet era" cracks in the Western liberal order now, especially around the complete collapse of the social contract.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 2:37:08 PM No.17763439
>>17763432
Eh, they did way more than that.
What they did, would be like the entire US press being handed over to RT and PressTV and the entire US elite basically started saying "yeah the founding fathers were pedophile slave owners and the entire system is built on that of pedophile slave owners."
There is a reason the Chinese never, ever criticized Mao as a "evil" person, but Gorbachev, Khrusuchev and Yeltsin painted Stalin as the devil incarnate and spread anti-Communist lies that the Soviet archives would actually disprove during the openings in the 1990s under Yeltsin.
Eh, they did way more than that.
What they did, would be like the entire US press being handed over to RT and PressTV and the entire US elite basically started saying "yeah the founding fathers were pedophile slave owners and the entire system is built on that of pedophile slave owners."
There is a reason the Chinese never, ever criticized Mao as a "evil" person, but Gorbachev, Khrusuchev and Yeltsin painted Stalin as the devil incarnate and spread anti-Communist lies that the Soviet archives would actually disprove during the openings in the 1990s under Yeltsin.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 2:46:06 PM No.17763457
>>17763424
>>17763439
I kinda dont care, like I imagine Lenin being like
>oh no I left an absolutely powerful autocratic system with no democracy and a power-hungry autocrat succeeded me!?
At least the tsars knew they were autocrats, Lenin was a fag who would say
>umm actually its teh workers party so we're democratic lolz
>>17763439
I kinda dont care, like I imagine Lenin being like
>oh no I left an absolutely powerful autocratic system with no democracy and a power-hungry autocrat succeeded me!?
At least the tsars knew they were autocrats, Lenin was a fag who would say
>umm actually its teh workers party so we're democratic lolz
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 2:47:20 PM No.17763459
>>17763457
>>oh no I left an absolutely powerful autocratic system with no democracy and a power-hungry autocrat succeeded me!?
Neurosyphilis is no joke
>>oh no I left an absolutely powerful autocratic system with no democracy and a power-hungry autocrat succeeded me!?
Neurosyphilis is no joke
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 2:49:37 PM No.17763461
>>17763439
>There is a reason the Chinese never, ever criticized Mao as a "evil" person, but Gorbachev, Khrusuchev and Yeltsin painted Stalin as the devil incarnate and spread anti-Communist lies that the Soviet archives would actually disprove during the openings in the 1990s under Yeltsin.
It was the opposite, opening the Soviet archives undid decades of Stalinist propaganda about his atrocities and purges. For example the official Soviet party line about Katyn massacre was that the Germans did it, but the archives proved that it was actually ordered by Stalin.
>There is a reason the Chinese never, ever criticized Mao as a "evil" person, but Gorbachev, Khrusuchev and Yeltsin painted Stalin as the devil incarnate and spread anti-Communist lies that the Soviet archives would actually disprove during the openings in the 1990s under Yeltsin.
It was the opposite, opening the Soviet archives undid decades of Stalinist propaganda about his atrocities and purges. For example the official Soviet party line about Katyn massacre was that the Germans did it, but the archives proved that it was actually ordered by Stalin.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 3:13:01 PM No.17763488
>>17763461
Katyn is a nothing burger, literally one of the smallest massacres in WW2 era Poland, and lets be real, the Soviets have very real reason to knock out the Fascisty hyper-nationalist elements that made up the Polish security services.
What the archives debunk are much larger things. They show that the USSR and Stalin actually largely acted logically with the information they had at the time, they show that the purges were nowhere near as widespread or bloody as presented in the West, that the Holodomor was a load of horseshit, that Gulag system didn't even have a particularly high death rate for what they were, that Stalin never abanonded his post during the onset of barbarossa, in fact the opposite and debunked most of Khruschev's bullshit claims in his "secret speech".
Even anti-Soviet historians like Kotkin now admit a lot of the anti-Stalin propaganda, was actually bullshit.
This is why the Soviet archives are never really talked about outside of academia, they don't play into the "duur huur USSR Stalin bad psychopath man", but in fact play into a bureacuacy and system under seige and doing the best with what they had, with actions, that weren't even the norm for great powers at the time. Look at the British or French if you want mass ethnic deportations and death camp gulags. But because they don't play into the narrative, again, this actual comparison is never brought up because it shows the USSR, even under peak Stalin terror, wasn't actually out of the norm for an industralizing Western state.
Katyn is a nothing burger, literally one of the smallest massacres in WW2 era Poland, and lets be real, the Soviets have very real reason to knock out the Fascisty hyper-nationalist elements that made up the Polish security services.
What the archives debunk are much larger things. They show that the USSR and Stalin actually largely acted logically with the information they had at the time, they show that the purges were nowhere near as widespread or bloody as presented in the West, that the Holodomor was a load of horseshit, that Gulag system didn't even have a particularly high death rate for what they were, that Stalin never abanonded his post during the onset of barbarossa, in fact the opposite and debunked most of Khruschev's bullshit claims in his "secret speech".
Even anti-Soviet historians like Kotkin now admit a lot of the anti-Stalin propaganda, was actually bullshit.
This is why the Soviet archives are never really talked about outside of academia, they don't play into the "duur huur USSR Stalin bad psychopath man", but in fact play into a bureacuacy and system under seige and doing the best with what they had, with actions, that weren't even the norm for great powers at the time. Look at the British or French if you want mass ethnic deportations and death camp gulags. But because they don't play into the narrative, again, this actual comparison is never brought up because it shows the USSR, even under peak Stalin terror, wasn't actually out of the norm for an industralizing Western state.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 3:18:37 PM No.17763498
>>17763488
>it didn't happen
>it happened but it's not a big deal
>it happened but they deserved it
Kek, the whole routine in one post.
>it didn't happen
>it happened but it's not a big deal
>it happened but they deserved it
Kek, the whole routine in one post.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 3:30:09 PM No.17763522
>>17763149 (OP)
because it wasn't worth fighting for
because it wasn't worth fighting for
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 4:22:36 PM No.17763597
https://youtu.be/3PJuIVIZ72k?
Anyone else remember that time that the White House got shelled in Russia?
Anyone else remember that time that the White House got shelled in Russia?
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 4:38:58 PM No.17763621
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 5:26:26 PM No.17763686
>>17763149 (OP)
tragedy.
tragedy.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 5:35:51 PM No.17763696
>>17763149 (OP)
miracle.
miracle.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 8:46:51 PM No.17763921
>>17763150
Did the KGB ever have a deranged and drug fueled esoteric bullshit wing comparable to the wackier parts of the SS?
Did the KGB ever have a deranged and drug fueled esoteric bullshit wing comparable to the wackier parts of the SS?
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 9:06:31 PM No.17763957
>>17763149 (OP)
They did fight. The red army attempted a coup that got stopped. The state had simply stopped functioning once it had failed
They did fight. The red army attempted a coup that got stopped. The state had simply stopped functioning once it had failed
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 9:30:00 PM No.17763992
>>17763149 (OP)
They collapsed on purpose to gain good will from the West. Now we have a disloyal Slav bloc in the EU plus another Slav bloc planning to resurrect Bolshevism. Ukraine is the fighting ground between the two Slav blocs but it doesn't matter which one wins because either way the West will lose
They collapsed on purpose to gain good will from the West. Now we have a disloyal Slav bloc in the EU plus another Slav bloc planning to resurrect Bolshevism. Ukraine is the fighting ground between the two Slav blocs but it doesn't matter which one wins because either way the West will lose
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:06:41 AM No.17764283
>>17763149 (OP)
Even the KGB knew communism was shit and impossible to salvage though? They know western countries lived much better lives while their shitty socialist economic model was stagnating and on downwards trajectory. Even chinks opened their markets.
Even the KGB knew communism was shit and impossible to salvage though? They know western countries lived much better lives while their shitty socialist economic model was stagnating and on downwards trajectory. Even chinks opened their markets.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:09:47 AM No.17764289
because ruskies thought they will be better off without the other SSRs
turns out it was the other way around, lol
turns out it was the other way around, lol
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 11:03:30 AM No.17765364
>>17765360
They are real, they will even stop you from praying near misile silos (involing god stops fission)
They are real, they will even stop you from praying near misile silos (involing god stops fission)
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 11:17:43 AM No.17765374
>>17763160
>Russian confuses his shithole for eastern Europe again
Former Soviet satellites and member states like Estonia, Lithuania, Czechia, Poland, etc. joined the European Union and we enjoy great consumer protection laws and high quality foods in well stocked supermarkets
>Russian confuses his shithole for eastern Europe again
Former Soviet satellites and member states like Estonia, Lithuania, Czechia, Poland, etc. joined the European Union and we enjoy great consumer protection laws and high quality foods in well stocked supermarkets
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 11:25:15 AM No.17765383
>>17763149 (OP)
Because mobster administration gave them the authority to rob locally to support their own lavish lifestyles.
An insane number of important figures from enemy states send their families West with the money they steal. They have zero principles.
Because mobster administration gave them the authority to rob locally to support their own lavish lifestyles.
An insane number of important figures from enemy states send their families West with the money they steal. They have zero principles.
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 11:40:11 AM No.17765404
>>17763149 (OP)
USSR run out food and then out of money do buy food after oil prices collapsed.
USSR leadership ended in time critical situation and couldn't find any way out.
Gorbachev is often balmed as "liberal" but in they key area that collapsed USSR (lack of food) he was adamantly Stalinist with his agrarian policies.
Deng Xiaoping started his reforms with disbanding kolhozes, allowing market prices agrarian surplus trade and reintroducing family farms (also know as kulaks). Opposite things Stalin did, Stained killed milions peasants with man made famine to enforce his collectivisation, Deng canceled it with one stroke of the pen. Gorbachev despite been called "liberal" was Stalin regarding kolhozes and punching peasants down.
>disbanding kolhozes, market prices? Over my dead body!
And his wish came true he was outstead from power and Russia disbanded kolhozes and released prices January 1991.
Its only that much you can do when no food. Eventually peasants karma got USSR
USSR run out food and then out of money do buy food after oil prices collapsed.
USSR leadership ended in time critical situation and couldn't find any way out.
Gorbachev is often balmed as "liberal" but in they key area that collapsed USSR (lack of food) he was adamantly Stalinist with his agrarian policies.
Deng Xiaoping started his reforms with disbanding kolhozes, allowing market prices agrarian surplus trade and reintroducing family farms (also know as kulaks). Opposite things Stalin did, Stained killed milions peasants with man made famine to enforce his collectivisation, Deng canceled it with one stroke of the pen. Gorbachev despite been called "liberal" was Stalin regarding kolhozes and punching peasants down.
>disbanding kolhozes, market prices? Over my dead body!
And his wish came true he was outstead from power and Russia disbanded kolhozes and released prices January 1991.
Its only that much you can do when no food. Eventually peasants karma got USSR
Anonymous
6/15/2025, 12:05:32 PM No.17765428
The day Vozhd died, the SU started crumbling.