How the hell did people communicate with a group they've never seen before? - /his/ (#17763196) [Archived: 1083 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:04:58 AM No.17763196
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How did the overcome the language barrier?????? I've always wondered this.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:08:08 AM No.17763204
The same way people in a foreign country do it today, they speak the universal language of commerce/trade while picking up some knowledge of the local language through exposure
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:08:20 AM No.17763205
>>17763196 (OP)
Signs.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:09:37 AM No.17763210
>>17763204
Thats a dumb theory, surely there must have been cases where no such universal language existed yet due to the fact they were continents away or something, how did the overcome the barrier?
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:11:19 AM No.17763212
>>17763210
Through body language, the tone of their voice, racial expressions .etc? It's not that hard to understand how they did it to be honest, unless you're on the autism spectrum and naturally struggle understanding social behavior and nonverbal communication
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:11:38 AM No.17763214
Point at a chair
>"chair"
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:12:31 AM No.17763216
>>17763212
I understand getting the very BASICS across like "food" by pointing to your mouth and chewing and whatnot but it just seems impossible to communicate more than that enough for trade to happen.
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:12:46 AM No.17763217
>>17763196 (OP)
a bunch of ways
1. you have people who grew up in border areas and naturally learned more than one language who make good guides
2. merchants develop pidgin languages for international trade
3. capture and enslave random people, force them to learn your language then use them as translators
4. simple nonverbal communication
5. establish schools with formal academic training in linguistics, producing experts who can decipher new languages quickly, these existed as early as the 14th century in Italy
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:15:08 AM No.17763218
>>17763196 (OP)
Watch a Bald and Bankrupt video.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:16:19 AM No.17763221
>>17763216
>but it just seems impossible to communicate more than that enough for trade to happen.
Why?
If someone wanted to trade say, a knife for some deer skin, you could just point at the knife in its sheath and then point at some deerskins and I'm sure most of them would get it eventually
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:17:55 AM No.17763222
>The first explorers to conduct trade with Native Americans were Giovanni da Verrazzano and Jacques Cartier in the 1520s–1540s. Verrazzano noted in his book, "If we wanted to trade with them for some of their things, they would come to the seashore on some rocks where the breakers were most violent while we remained on the little boat, and they sent us what they wanted to give on a rope, continually shouting to us not to approach the land."[4]
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:18:40 AM No.17763223
>>17763221
>point at a weapon and point at something valuable the other group has
Holy shit you would have been slaughtered
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:19:35 AM No.17763225
>>17763223
That's why I specifically said " in its sheath" I covered my bases bro not my fault you can't read
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:21:09 AM No.17763229
>>17763225
Thats like saying pointing at your holstered gun and pointing at someone's wallet, it still seems like a threat
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 11:22:42 AM No.17763232
>>17763229
Bro I don't know maybe they could've put the knife down on a table first so it didn't look threatening I honestly don't know what other shit the Europeans even had to trade with natives at first
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 12:32:10 PM No.17763325
>>17763196 (OP)
they just get a translator who learned the language? or they speak an established common language, like persian or french were
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 1:13:14 PM No.17763362
>>17763196 (OP)
>>17763204
Some people did a lot of sexo and learned the language by marrying into it as translators. nothing inspires learning a language more than understanding and trading dirtytalk.
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 3:27:36 PM No.17763517
>>17763196 (OP)
It's refered to as "Lingua franca".
In Europe is was Latin for most of European history after the fall of Rome, only the 0.01% of the educated people could read and understand latin. A major reason why the reformation succeeded in spreading was because Martin Luther wrote the bible in the local bible, which was practically unheard of.
Lingua franca later abandoned Latin and instead became French, up until the mid-1950s when it became English.
French is still used as the "traditional" language among state diplomats today, even though English has been globally embraced as the Lingua franca.

So whenever you read about for example Nevile Henderson and Ribbentrop communicating in the leadup to ww2, they are speaking in French, not English or German.

In Asia, the Lingua franca was obviously Chinese since China was a polticial, cultural and economical gravitation of east Asia, tho not in the same sense as Latin was to Europe, since the Papacy essentially had rule over the continent (with a few exceptions like Lithuania and Byzantine).
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Anonymous
6/14/2025, 3:28:37 PM No.17763519
>>17763517
>wrote the bible in the local bible,
In the local language*
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 5:21:05 PM No.17763679
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>>17763212
>Racial expressions
Anonymous
6/14/2025, 5:38:56 PM No.17763701
>>17763196 (OP)
like this
https://youtu.be/sYpWp7g7XWU