Noah's Ark and the flood should never have been canon, this is straight up Tooth Fairy-tier shit, this is something you grow out of as an adult. I can suspend my disbelief for Jesus' Miracles and whatever but this is just far too ridiculous and full of plot holes.

>>17764239 (OP)
Personally I find Judges 1:19 to be more suspension of disbelief shattering. The God of the Bible allegedly created the universe but he's unable to defeat a human army because they had chariots? I get it's just cope written by semitic warlords to justify why despite God being on their side they didn't win but still.

>>17764239 (OP)
>I can suspend my disbelief for Jesus' Miracles
You're not supposed to do that though, you're supposed to fully believe it.

>>17764239 (OP)
It's pretty dumb. Why kill everyone in the world with a flood? What did it accomplish? It just went right back to being the way it was. Jesus should have just come down and have Adam and Eve nail him to the tree of knowledge and save humanity right then and there instead of thousands of years of bullshit.

>>17764279
That's kind of impossible for anyone that isn't a child, hence why Christianity urges its followers to "become as little children" (Matthew 18:3) just to grasp it. It's literally the, "DUDE TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF!" of religions

>>17764299
Thinking is of the devil. It was Satan that tricked Adam and Eve into eating from the tree of knowledge. Now give your 10% to the church.

>>17764239 (OP)
The orangutan is his mother.

>>17764299
>That's kind of impossible for anyone that isn't a child
Millions, in fact the majority of people on Earth, believe in miracles.

People like you are the odd ones out.

>>17764338
Billions of people have an IQ under 100.

You're one of them.

>>17764347
>Billions of people have an IQ under 100.
Objectively false.

>>17764338
As kids they believe it wholeheartedly, as adults most at least occasionally experience crises of faith where they realize it's all probably bullshit. If you haven't yet, you will eventually.

>>17764271
There are plenty of other battles in the Old Testament that the Israelites lost because God did not want them to win.

>>17764239 (OP)
Maybe you're just misunderstanding what the Bible actually says, anon, and the plot holes you are imagining are entirely the product of your own imagination. The Genesis account isn't even that hard to believe, especially compared to something like the universe existing in the first place.

>>17764284
It was all to make a point. Whether you're talking about Noah's flood or anything else, at the end of the day, all history is intended to glorify God.

>>17764284
Why did it even need to be a flood? God is all-powerful, he could've just waved a magic wand to have nearly all of humanity and terrestrial life killed instead, in fact it would've been more efficient than a flood, since a global flood carries massive enviornmental and ecological implications that God would needlessly have to address, which again, he could as he's all-powerful, but at that point why not just do the magic wand thing instead?

>>17764469
>and the plot holes you are imagining are entirely the product of your own imagination.
A bunch of animals in a confined space constantly shitting everywhere and trying to kill themselves is hard to believe but a global flood and a single person somehow herding all the animals onto a boat isn't?

>>17764591
Would make it too obvious He exists. God needs to be worshipped but not enough to provide any evidence that could overcome minimal skepticism (that He gave you btw).

>>17764598
>Would make it too obvious He exists.
If that was the point then why a global flood? Wouldn't that make him pretty obvious?

>>17764596
>A bunch of animals in a confined space constantly shitting everywhere and trying to kill themselves is hard to believe
Not so hard to believe if the prediluvians had advanced technology.
>but a global flood and a single person somehow herding all the animals onto a boat isn't?
What makes you think it was a global extinction, and not just the area that mankind had spread to? I mean, I'd believe they could probably do it with advanced enough technology, but I don't think it even was a global extinction event.

Also, what about the plants? I guess they could have survived by some kind of unexplained miracle, but again I do not see why it's necessary to assume that either.

According to what I understand, the Genesis account can be understood as saying the flood caused the animals of a specific region (where the rain fell) to go extinct. Other areas of the planet were affected by the fact that the ocean levels rose, but not completely wiped out.

>>17764591
>but at that point why not just do the magic wand thing instead?
The whole thing has an ultimate purpose to glorify God. That would explain why anything was even created in the first place.

>>17764889
>Not so hard to believe if the prediluvians had advanced technology.
The Antediluvians having advanced technology IS hard to believe

>>17764899
If they actually existed and lived that long, I wouldn't put it past them.

>>17764900
>f they actually existed and lived that long
???
Less time passed between creation and flood than between current time and Jesus

>>17764905
>Less time passed between creation and flood than between current time and Jesus
I'm talking about their lifespans. Some people were living past 900 years of age.

>>17764907
>Some people were living past 900 years of age.
There's a lot of disbelief you gotta suspend to make this work dude

>>17764905
why do you think scientists could correctly read how long it took to create the earth in the first place? what if the processes used read as taking longer when looked at in modernity due to how they operated

>>17764931
For a lot of this stuff they have to assume what the starting concentration of samples were when they were formed. If the assumption is incorrect, the resulting calculation could also lead to arbitrary amounts of error.

>>17764931
>>17764936
It's called nuclear decay, scientists take a sample of a radioactive isotope with a known decay rate and take the density of said metarial to determine how much it's decayed since the material formed. The only way this "assumption" could be erroneous is if the decay rate of nuclear material was somehow not constant, but this has literally never been observed before in the literal decades of observation so we have no reason to believe this will ever be the case

>>17764469
>because God did not want them to win.
That's not how the story in Judges is really framed though

>>17765007
Every time people bring this passage in Judges up, I point them to what happened in the book of Joshua before this.

"O Lord, what shall I say, when Israel turneth their backs before their enemies!
9 For the Canaanites and all the inhabitants of the land shall hear of it, and shall environ us round, and cut off our name from the earth: and what wilt thou do unto thy great name?
10 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Get thee up; wherefore liest thou thus upon thy face?
11 Israel hath sinned, and they have also transgressed my covenant which I commanded them: for they have even taken of the accursed thing, and have also stolen, and dissembled also, and they have put it even among their own stuff.
12 Therefore the children of Israel could not stand before their enemies, but turned their backs before their enemies, because they were accursed: neither will I be with you any more, except ye destroy the accursed from among you.
13 Up, sanctify the people, and say, Sanctify yourselves against to morrow: for thus saith the LORD God of Israel, There is an accursed thing in the midst of thee, O Israel: thou canst not stand before thine enemies, until ye take away the accursed thing from among you. "
(Joshua 7:8-13)

So we see here that the Lord allowed Israel to lose a battle against the city of Ai, and the reason here is because someone had taken an accursed thing from Jericho.

When you get to Judges chapter 1, it's a similar story. God allowed them to lose that battle because of the fact they feared the iron chariots. If not, they would have won (and a few chapters later in Judges chapter 4 they do defeat these iron chariots).

As with other battles where they lost, the problem was with them. As it says in 1 Samuel 17:47, the battle is the LORD's. He can make anyone with overwhelming odds against them win. Hopefully that helps, anon. Also, it doesn't make much sense to accept what Scripture says in Judges chapter 1, but to reject what it says everywhere else.

>>17764397
>as adults most at least occasionally experience crises of faith where they realize it's all probably bullshit.
Projection.

In reality most people in the world live their entire lives with no problem affirming that miracles are real, though rare. It's only depressed westerners like you who have to suffer an existential crisis once every week.

>>17765352
christianity is declining everywhere except africa lol (where you christkikes have to blackmail the locals to convert to get food charity)