Explain to me how the jews were able to convert Rome to Christianity? How did we go from this to a christian empire in less than 200 years?

>>17766264 (OP)
100 years of crisis plus Jewish Yawhue magic. Btw this started much longer ago, at least with the pharaoh Akhenaten and his pre Abrahamic cult.

Through the power of the Spirit of God

From one brain to another. It helped that the message was very appealing to slaves.

>>17766264 (OP)
Signs of a dying empire. Christkikery was ancient wokeism.

>>17766264 (OP)
>How did we go from this to a christian empire in less than 200 years?
They got into power via subterfuge and then started making it illegal to not be a Christian (or Jew), same stuff they did everywhere else

>>17767930
>Municipal councils
Not a good thing. It's a duty that costs them money.
>Priests are exempt
This law is defunct as the Jewish Priesthood no longer existed.
>Pious lives
These are basically people who forgo their wealth and are practically ineligible or high status enough to be able to willfully deny doing it anyway
>Judiasm is protected by law
This was always the case. Even Pagans thought that Jews could exist because they were an old faith even if they were dumb and wrong and pseudo-atheists.
>Merchants
Everybody could do that outside of government subsidies and regulation which was universal and Jews had to follow it
>Patriarch
Was not a Jew but a Samaritan and he was their leader and effectively their ruler, the position was destroyed by Justinian

Most Jews in the Roman Empire weren't even that hardcore and were largely accepting of other faiths and even practiced their rituals like for Zoroastrianism or Egyptian practices. Only the hardline Jerusalemites were what we could consider the hardcore ones, they also happen to be where modern Judaism is descended from.

>>17766264 (OP)
Mass migration from the Levant.

>>17767957
And Christkikes are their slaves to this day

>>17766264 (OP)
Because Christianity had some objectively good concepts that were actually quite rational to believe in.
For example, the idea that you can use your faith to overcome your bitterness and frustrations about life and achieve the reward of a blissful eternal afterlife.
Roman paganism offered no such thing, on top of being a peculiarly ethnically religion that had no appeal for people who lived in Rome but were of a different ethnicity.

And by the way, Julian said that decades after Constantine's conversion, it's not like Christianity was still a powerless minor sect by then

>Signs of a dying empire. Christkikery was ancient wokeis-ACK

>>17766264 (OP)
Religion was more part of the tapestry of Roman society, or background noise so to speak. It was ever-present, but for "laypeople", there was little interaction with the God other than state mandated offerings.

Christianity offered a personal relationship in religion that anyone, small or great, could partake in.

To put it simply, there just wasn't much offered by Roman Paganism. Their priestly class were, and excuse me for forgetting the Latin title, but it's quite literally "Bridge Builder" as their role was to be the bridge between the Gods and our world. It was not to take care of the laity, in any capacity.

>>17766264 (OP)
If you think of religion as mind virus.
Then Christianity obviously is stronger and more effective virus than Paganism.
Yahweh is stronger than any pagan God.
Obeying Yahweh brings ultimate reward, disobeying bring ultimate punishment.
Just think about it you try to design religion as a prank, you goal to handcraft religion that will find as many believers as possible. You will end with something close se to Christianity.
Christianity is just objectively better mind virus. If somebody starts believing mysticism than there are very little reasos to believe anything but Christianity.

>>17766264 (OP)
>Explain to me how the jews were able to convert Burgerland to Wokeness? How did we go from this to a Woke empire in less than 200 years?

>>17766264 (OP)
Because Christianity was ideal to pacify slaves and all of Judea itself, which was a hotbed of revolutionary sentiment.

Judea was one of Rome's wealthiest provinces so letting them have independence, was unthinkable.

The whole religion glorifies slavery and tells these dolts that they'll receive the kingdom of heaven so long as they do what they're told and pay their taxers to Caesar. Topkek.

The very gesture of Christian prayer. Kneeling with clasped hands, was how Roman slaves presented themselves to their masters for their hands to be bound.

Glorifies cowardice, weakness, subservience, loyalty to government.

And seriously, if you still believe this cowardly irrational slave philosohpy, you're nothing but the literal sheep the bible tells you that you are.

Quite frankly, such people belong in mud huts discussing how history is a few hundred years old eating fried grubworms..... much like the Christians of Africa who have no rational men of science to carry them.

Dim-witted cattle have no place discussing history or philosophy, or any other intellectual pursuits.

I'm pretty sure it was one of the mods cruel jokes to lump the fucking zombie carpenter worshippers, in with a board for educated people to discuss *genuine history*. Gross.

The jews got into romes inner circle by constantine

they forced the religion by the sword. pagans were killed, dispossesed, exiled if they didn't convert

jews were exempt from converting or punishment of course

Romans were gullible as fuck

Christianity and marxism are political vehicles toward the same end goal of jewish despotism. This is not even up for debate at this point

>>17768266
He didn't say that. Lovecraft was Christian.

>>17766264 (OP)
>This
Julian was after Constantine, not "less than 200 years" before

9/10 in rome were slaves, and the roman citizens came from 1000 different ethnicities, tribes, cults etc. we actually know how early christians organized and they made sure to get people good jobs, housing, wives etc

this means they had an infinite pool to recruit from, and since the main message was that the world was ending soon, making converts very zealous about pleasing yahweh and recruiting people, we even have stories of aristocratic romans giving everything away to the church and becoming beggars.

the spread of islam basically mirrors it, where muslims would recruit tiny oppressed minorities into a massive army united under the religion.

same way you could convert an entire state of Utah to Mormonism.

It doesnt need much to convert people, you give them livelihood, secure way of living with constant cashflow and they would believe in anything

Monarchies all around the World knew this and treated common citizens like shit and they were absolutely right to do this... you have no idea how low IQ an average person is. He just wants his sports everyday and a sandwich and some money to pay rent....

There is nothing magical involved once you see an entire State can be converted to Mormonism without much persuasion

>>17768340
What do you get out of going on the internet and telling lies?
https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/sources/ar.aspx
>“All notions of cosmic consciousness and purpose, and of the importance of man in the limitless pattern of the universe, are plainly myths born of the imperfect information of man’s early days.” – H.P. Lovecraft

https://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/sources/chpl.aspx
>Whilst Lovecraft was famously atheistic

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lovecraft/comments/8swsd0/lovecrafts_letters_to_james_f_morton_hippocampus/
>I've been reading HPL's letters to JFM and I can't believe how often HPL lets his Aryan freak flag fly loud and proud at obnoxious lengths, knowing full well about Morton's anti-racism liberalism.

>>17768266
Lovecraft eventually became a socialist though.

>>17768102
Yeah but because Christianity hollows out and rots any society which embraces it, it got btfo'd by Islam. The Catholic Church had to adopt more and more pagan elements as an emergency measure.

>>17766264 (OP)
>jews were able to convert Rome to Christianity
"Jews" did no such thing, they believe Christianity is heresy, and Jesus said jews who do not secure their salvation in him should be slain (luke 19:27).

>>17768636
>it got btfo'd by Islam
Cube worshiping is the death of culture, but what killed christendom was allowing now whites to identify as the body of Christ.

>>17768636
>it got btfo'd by Islam
Cube worshiping is the death of culture, but what killed christendom was allowing non whites to identify as the body of Christ.

>>17768674
>what killed christendom
Nothing killed christendom, it's striving, doing exactly what it was designed to do, infecting minds.

>>17768683
What good is it that saves none and sees nothing? The body sleeps, and is stirring to wroth and will wake to ruin.

>>17768680
Suck my asshole.

>>17766287
The jews hate the bible, they use the Talmud.

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>>17768683
The growth is driven by the thirdie population exploding

What are you talking about? Jesus committed antisemitic hate crimes, the last thing they'd want is for Rome to convert to Christianity thereby making it a major religion.

>>17769358
Constantine is one of the most underestimated roman emperors of all time, you pagancuck larpers are just illiterate morons, admit it and end of discussion

>>17766264 (OP)
It didn't become a christian empire in less than 200 years, majority of the empire was still pagan even in the time of Constantine or Julian, it was a gradual thing but that got a boom with the new christian emperors who favored christianity.

>>17766264 (OP)
>From this
Julian was essentially a Pagan Revert. Should be an image of Diocletian there.
And the main reason was simply that the Emperors (Beginning from Constantine) began to patronize the Christians over the Pagans and integrate their church into government over the Pagan congregations. In fact, after Julian, there never was a non-christian Emperor again. Had he lived, maybe we would live in a happier, less grey world.

>>17769364
They are all brothers in Christ, Christ is the King!

>>17768636
Ultimately virus doesn't cares about host only about itself. There are need some balance between survival of host and virus replication, but virus can kill host and move further. Like it was with Roman empire.

>>17768102
If you think of religion as a mind virus,
then Communist Atheism is the most effective at killing people.
However, woke-left Atheism is capable of spreading faster.
Roman Elites started getting longer and longer names like Quintus Pompeius Senecio Roscius Murena Coelius Sextus Iulius Frontinus Silius Decianus Gaius Iulius Eurycles Herculaneus Lucius Vibullius Pius Augustanus Alpinus Bellicius Sollers Iulius Aper Ducenius Proculus Rutilianus Rufinus Silius Valens Valerius Niger Claudius Fuscus Saxa Amyntianus Sosius Priscus and having fewer and fewer children. The decline started with pagan emperor Commodus, who debased the currency.

>>17768116
enjoy hell

>>17769418
This desu. Julian aspired to be an enlightened despot and had many qualities of the greatest emperors of Rome. The world would've been vastly different if he didn't die. Shapur would've reconciled with him and let him go after a hefty ransom if he knew what fate awaited his empire after Julian's death in rome

>>17766264 (OP)
That's the sign of Jonah, the only sign Our Lord would give to the Jewish leaders when they asked for proof of his messiahship.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jlBBSKN2Ku4

>>17766264 (OP)
There are a few things to say about this.

The Old Gods were basically dead at the time.
Platonism and traditional Greco-Roman religious ideas pushed heavily for a universalism of deities. Romans loved importing new savior Gods.
Traditional Greco-Roman religion mostly scaled in its 'effectiveness' with your economic power. The poor had less ability to commune with the Gods than the rich did.
Rome was in an unstable period.
Jews were just another weird group of people that the Romans knew among many weird groups of people.

You can read very mainstream works like Pliny's History and see how Romans, especially those in the upper class, but ostensibly spreading down some, really didn't take their religion that seriously as dogma.
Pliny makes fun of the masses for worshiping too many Gods and mostly assumes a type of pseudo-monotheism where he talks about the divinity in the singular, but also acknowledges some larger and more important divine forces. Your classic Hesiodic gods were discounted pretty significantly in this system, or abstracted away into metaphors.
Pliny wasn't a theologian, so this demonstrates that the view was probably fairly common among the upper classes at the very least.

This comes from a long line of Platonic and Stoic philosophers that generally viewed more traditional Greco-Roman religion with derision or as mere metaphor and abstract representation of natural forces.
Apollo literally wasn't the god of the sun, instead he was a metaphor for the celestial and natural forces embodied by the sun.

This connects to a Roman perception of deities as all being fundamentally the same between civilizations.
Your God is the same as my God is the same as our neighbor's God. So long as the subject they covered was similar. Even if we call them by different names or worship them in at least slightly different ways.

>>17770897
This meant that when the Romans encountered a new culture, they worked to figure out how their gods connected to one another and how to bridge any gaps that existed.
Even if said Roman didn't really believe in Polytheism anymore, they still sought this out for political purposes.
For Platonists this went a step further, and they projected their tripartite monotheism onto other religions even more than standard Romans did.

If there was one thing the Romans loved, it was importing Gods. The older and more foreign and weird, the better.
Isis was imported from Egypt and turned into the universal mother of the cosmos that would bring all of her followers into her loving bosom after death.
Mithras was imported from Persia and turned into some kind of Zodiac war god for soldiers.
The teachings of the prophet Mani were embraced strongly across the Empire, and they directly competed with Christianity for converts.

By the latter centuries of the Roman Empire accumulated bureaucratic malaise, administrative expense, civil war, too high of population, and limitations on access to food and drink, had left the masses generally pretty well impoverished.
The theological issue with that is you need a certain amount of wealth to make good offerings to the Gods for aid and succor. And if you're too poor to do that, you're relying entirely on begging and hoping for them to look your way, rather than being able to get their attention directly.
While we don't have much from the masses and their perception of religion, it's highly possible that we'd see general moroseness towards the Gods that felt all too distant.

>>17770901
Roman perceptions of Jewish religion were interesting because A.) they thought the Jews were wrong, and B.) the Jews had a very old religion, which meant that nonetheless they had to respect the Jews and their beliefs. Age more than anything else beget authenticity in the Roman view of religion and ritual. If something was old, it was more likely to be true. Jewish religion was verifiably ancient, less than the Egyptians, but still older than most.
Modern stereotypes or perceptions of Jews didn't exist back then, at most you had rivalries between native Egyptians and the huge amount of Jews that lived in Egypt at the time.

To connect this to the spread of Christianity, we have an upper class that was disillusioned with the traditional religion and a habit of interpreting all new religions they encountered as somehow interfacing with what they already believed.
This upper class was already pretty well adherent to a type of monotheistic religion and were comfortable projecting that onto whatever they encountered.
Among this was a trend towards bringing in new Gods or Goddesses into the fold and building cults around them, separate from the old practices.
And among the masses, we have a general poverty and potentially (although to my knowledge without hard evidence) a disconnect between them and their ability to interface with the traditional system of worship.

Then in comes a new spin-off cult connected to Judaism.
It promises a new savior to worship who is mystical and foreign and novel, but nonetheless promises to be ancient.
It is monotheistic and implicitly about a Godhead that is internally split in some manner.
And you could worship the savior for free. In fact, sacrifices are disallowed.

>>17770903
Platonists could project their philosophy onto this new religion and shape it from the earliest days to their desires. They succeeded entirely, and how we now talk about YHWH is always implicitly in the Platonic lens of God.
Some Romans could worship Christ as their main savior God like they previously did those like Isis or Dionysus. This worked out well enough for them.
Poor Romans could get a hotline to God without the expense previous cults called for. And the martyrdom of masses of poor Romans proves the power of this link.

If this sounds all too convenient, it is because it is.
I'm simplifying a lot here, to the point of obscuring at least some important details.
Regardless, this should help you understand the dynamics that left Rome primed for a cult like Christianity to take over so successfully, and why the upper classes were seemingly so amicable to a peasant cult like it, over time.
And why when the opposed it, it was mainly over the conduct of the believers in specific, rather than theological disagreements.

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>>17766276
This, there's really no other explanation for the God-Fearer movement. There was a massive population, hundreds of thousands or million of per-Christian peoples living in the Roman Empire before the birth of Christ who regularly stood outside Jewish synagogues and listened to their sermons. They were convinced that the God of Israel must be the true God of all the world. But they could not become Jews. So they stood outside the synagogues and formed their own community next to the Jews.

There were also longstanding Jewish neighborhoods across the Mediterranean basin that were pre-Roman. So the God-Fearers had been developing communities in parallel to Jewish communities in Spain, France, North Africa, Italy and Greece for several decades.

With Christianity huge numbers of Jews and God-Fearers became Christians. Two communities became one.

>>17770963
This is such a massive exaggeration that I have to ask where you got this info from?

>>17771027
A college textbook on the history of the Roman Republic and Empire. I don't have it at hand at the moment.

>>17766264 (OP)
Slavery is a very bad idea with lots of long term consequences.

>>17768633
He drank the kool aid in his failing years, yes. No different than people "finding jewsus" after they lose their reason

>>17766264 (OP)
Jews had a book, which was an enormous advantage.
They also got lucky when poor Greeks picked up the Syrian “Star King” prophecy and applied it to Nero reborn.

Also, late Roman religion worshipped Sol Invictus and most Catholic rites copy the Helios cult procession of the (solar) cross.

Also, Christianity was Arian until Theodosius’s communist NKVD style crackdown where the intelligentsia of Greece were systematically murdered. Hint: Jews are the common denominator.

In Italy, other than a literary elite and the Goths, everyone was basically pagan. There was a revival.
Jerome and Augustine took Theodosian Christianity and made it sensational and used the martyr cult to appeal to the pagani. They converted the masses and the opportunistic elite converted to Byzantine rite. Then Belisarius murdered the Goths, so…

>>17771063
I don't think he ever stopped being racist though.