Are the overwhelming victories Muslims held over Christians during the crusades a testament to the truth of Islam?

>>17767204 (OP)
Im muslim and no
Islam doesnt depend on how this life goes

>>17767223
You would think that would be enough to convince the kuffar, but shaytan has hardened their hearts

>>17767204 (OP)
Muhammad had sex with men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK33b7SClCw

>>17767328
that’s daif

>>17767328
This was literally deboonked by Apostate Aladdin.

No but the backwards shitholes the vast majority of you apes live in is testament to its falsity.

>>17767204 (OP)
https://youtu.be/cpCVl0APJ4M?t=650

Battle of the horns of hattin prefigured by philistines vs Israelites. The new Israel(Catholics) vs the new philistines(islamics) in New Testament time

>>17767204 (OP)
>>17767223
>>17767327
Mudslime, why are you samefagging?

>>17767223
>Islam doesnt depend on how this life goes
Doesn't sound super convincing.
If Islamic states lose wars, few people in the world will be converted to Islam, and from an Islamic perspective, that means plenty more human souls will go to Hell

>>17767648
things are not gonna be ideal when you're a nation under war

>>17767995
NTA but I've visited a couple of Muslim countries that hadn't had a war in forever and believe me, I wouldn't live there if you paid me.

And that's assuming wars aren't partly the local government's fault

>>17768000
you mean like kuwait SA and UAE? thats your choice. they have strict citizenship policies so unless you're a muslim arab you're probably not getting in anyway
and i think you misunderstood me. Muslims have enemies everywhere so there's gonna be struggle. crusaders got it sweet because they are a whole ocean away from the problems that they started.

>>17768006
>you mean like kuwait SA and UAE?
How good would these countries look if you had no unlimited oil money and slave labor from India?
Europe built her own monuments throughout the centuries without money glitches and by using only local workers

>Muslims have enemies everywhere
Maybe because they chose to view all non-Muslims as enemies

>crusaders got it sweet because they are a whole ocean away from the problems that they started
It's true that Middle Ages Europeans were luckier since back then mass immigration from Muslim countries wasn't a thing.
Modern age Europeans are less lucky in this regard

>>17767204 (OP)
If that made sense then Tengrinism would be the true religion

>>17768011
there is labor in ME but there are bigger concerns than climbing socioeconomic ladder. is there something hypocritical about contracting to indians?
and you're implying that ME didn't build things themselves. i guess the ziggurat, irrigation, the first language scripts, amphoras, early clay architecture don't matter.
>without money glitches and by using only local workers
false. they use credit based systems to gyp their own into toiling their health away only to slip the rug under them to cut costs. germans invited turks to undermine their own labor. it took two world wars for people there to see how evil cutting corners is but there's still similar practices
>>17768016
here's your tengri murtad "supremacy"

>>17768027
>and you're implying that ME didn't build things themselves. i guess the ziggurat, irrigation, the first language scripts, amphoras, early clay architecture don't matter.
So now you're appropriating things that existed before Islam, huh?

I guess theft of all sorts is something of a habbit for you Ummah boys

>>17767204 (OP)
It is kind of suspicious that almost every single Crusade ended in humiliating failure for the Christians while Arab conquests were almost all maintained (with the exception of Spain which they still held onto for over 500 years).

>>17768041
You don't know what "appropriating" means.
Before Islam people were horrendously mistaken which is why things had to be corrected. Nothing has changed in the Middle East contrary to your rape fantasy understanding of history. Ir*nics and Central Asians damaged the region with their subhuman steppe admixture. Not Bedouins.

>>17767995
I don't get it, why don't war count all of a sudden?
It's not like you'd accept historical contingent explanation, such as wars, as excuses for the crusades failures

>>17768241
what are you asking or saying?
crusades failed because the Truth always wins. no one wanted what the crusaders wanted. your popes even had to impale the crusaders orders for outright worshiping b*phomet
despite the many enemies and quislings that Muslims have, they still managed to prop up cities along the Gulf. i don't get what your initial point was

>>17767204 (OP)
There is no overwhelming victories since they lost all of Spain plus Holy Land, the former to christian sand the late to Jews, both are in reality balanced/equal/stalemate on battles wins and defeats, in fact holding the entire holy land for more than 2 centuries agains all the muslim world is a testament of the truth of christianity ?

>>17768045
It is humiliating now to fight and lose agains the entire brown horde with just some man, isolated and stilll inflicting heavy casualites unto them ? you logic doesn't sustain itself with a basic historical analysis, the cases of the Crusades are similar to Vietnam, where America literally massacred a good portion of their population but still lose in the end.

>>17769379
>despite the many enemies and quislings that Muslims have
Muslims in the majority of time have the terrain advance since they fought in their own territory, manpower, resources, etc... the crusaders are all time expeditions with limited man and resources, isolated from europe, but even so the europeans gave a hard time, you can cope now.

>>17767648
With the only exception of Iran, Turkey, Egypt and Arabia, since they are heavily westernized and modernized, not even real Muslims anymore, this explains a lot.

>>17769425
logistics is part of war. crusaders came unprepared and got smoked. that tells me europeans are shitty soldiers
life isn't Rome Total War. you're not given a cookie for sending a bunch of child soldiers to fight grown men. you'll just be remembered as a coward in the annals of history

>>17767204 (OP)
>Overwhelming victories
>Just ignore the first crusade kuffar

That was a perspective at the time. They had a fukuyama-y view of this was just the mopping up action. Why the Mongols fucking spooked em so much.

>>17768045
Logistics and loss of interest over time

>>17769379
>>17767995
This is brown cope is too retarded for me to even bothering to get invested in

>>17769692
then flee like your kind always does

>>17769703
The caliphate is gone and will never come back.

>>17770003
for now it's gone
you wanna know what's NEVER coming back? don't make me whip out my book now white boy. u gon be runnin..

>>17770081
>for now it's gone
COPE

>>17769428
egypt and iran are shitholes

>>17769416
>the cases of the Crusades are similar to Vietnam, where America literally massacred a good portion of their population but still lose in the end
Not true at all. In fact, in most of the Crusades (1st, 3rd, 4th although that's obvious) the Christian forces outnumbered the Islamic ones

>>17770081
>white boy
So you admit that Islam is a racialist religion that promotes Arab supremacy and that other races represent second-class followers even if they convert.
Good to hear

Muslims only managed to defeat the swarthier Christians and only with massive hordes overwhelming smaller groups using breeds of horses, stirrups and saddles from the north. Arabs were considered ignorant rulers, burning every book except the Koran, kind of like Chad bullying the nerds, discovering he doesn't have the makings of a varsity athlete and ending up pumping their gas 10 years later. They were quickly sidelined by their vassals who rose to replace them, while LARPing as Arab but ostensibly still Persian, Syrian, Berber in heritage.

This would happen again in repeat with lightskin Andalusians, Turks and Caucasus Muslims supplanting the former and again BLEACHED Ottoman and Safavid dynasties and yet again later European colonialists claiming vast swathes of the middle east. We can count on natural selection taking its course it seems, albeit after generations.

>>17770435
>Muslims only managed to defeat the swarthier Christians
Christianity is not a racial religion.
Your skin color does not matter as long as you have faith in Jesus Christ

>>17770435
lol... you're that white boy that's insecure about Circassians getting penetrated by arabs right?

you seethed nonstop about muh mohammedans just a few weeks ago. are you pretending to be a Muslim now?

>>17770404
>>17769416
Crusaders were in superior numbers and they still got crushed like cucks
Cope and seethz

>>17770435
Berbers were literally in inferior numbers when they conquered iberia

>>17767204 (OP)
>Are the overwhelming victories Muslims held over Christians during the crusades a testament to the truth of Islam?
I could ask the same of Israel's victories during the wars against the Arab states

>>17767204 (OP)
No definitely not, Arabs were never a threat. Western Europe always had trouble with steppe riders and the Turks were no different. Same for all pre-Islamic steppe tribes and the Mongols.

>>17767204 (OP)
Don't look 1000 years ago
Islam, although weakened right now is the ONLY RELIGION fighting against the evil of this world. (look at yemen, these guys have nothing and have fought more for good than any of the "great" empires of this world)
Christianity TODAY (as well as for the vast majority of its existence) is a force of evil, degeneracy, depravity, jewish phulsapport and genocide.

This should tell you everything you need to know about the truthfulness of each.

>>17771871
He said muslims
Not arabs and they were defenetely a threat in 600-900

>>17767204 (OP)
Ghengis Khan beat their sorry arses, so if military might means "Truth" then Islam is false!

>>17772556
Holy historylet amerimutt post
Gengis khan never set a foot in the mid east, it was his descendants who continued his conquests and they got beaten by muslim mamluks
Also see this >>17767223

>>17772434
Right but Islam had nothing to do with it. The West couldn't handle steppe nomads, religion is irrelevant

>>17772418
>Islam, although weakened right now is the ONLY RELIGION fighting against the evil of this world.

That's easy to say as long as you define "evil" in terms that perfectly align with Islamist ethics

E.g. tweeting "Israel deserves to exist" is bad, Pakis raping Brit girls in Roterham is not

>>17773249
>Pakis raping Brit girls in Roterham is not
That is literally modern day blood libel and feminist propaganda. How many of these cases are actual rape, as in forceful penetration? 99% of modern rape cases are women regretting having sex with someone and reporting them for rape

dont like either religion but alwayshilarious to see the mental gymnastics ccucks undergo to excuse every single defeat to muslims in history. its pathetic

>>17772418
>ONLY RELIGION fighting against the evil of this world.
Brother please, being welfare queens and commiting more crime in the West is not good at all, but of course you're going to claim "it's le jihad wallahi, the infidels deserve it!" The only thing the majority Muslim countries around Israel have done is lost 100 times over against a few million Jews and now they're defending Israeli skies from Iranian projectiles and crying about the Palestinian kids being killed from their sofa in Germany, France, etc, Islam is not fighting against evil at all(except Shias but you Sunnis will call it haram)

>>17767204 (OP)
They were originally along with more importantly the initial Muslim conquests over Central Eurasia and North Africa in general, however by the 1800's the Muslim World went through a kind of crisis of faith due to their steady subjugation by non-Islamic powers. Many modern idealogical currents such as ultra orthodox Salafism/Wahhabism and secular Pan-Arabism/Baathism were formed in direct reaction to this.

>>17773346
>The only thing the majority Muslim countries around Israel have done is lost 100 times over against a few million Jews
A few million jews that control the west*
Or should we just ignore the complete control they have and have had for the last 200 years or so over western finances, media and politics?

>>17773368
Were American troops on the ground defending Israel during any of the 4 Arab-Israeli wars or not? And I should remind you that Israel was always outnumbered population wise and surrounded by hostile neighbours

>>17767204 (OP)
There were victories both ways.
Also then Islam fell behind as a civilization and stopped being able to bother Christendom, does that prove Islam false?

>>17773382
Yes, they were in Syria, Iraq and Lybia. They actually never fought any of their enemies themselves other than some small ragtag militias like Hezbollah and Hamas which they still asked for tens of billions in aid to do so and had American intelligence and diplomatic backing

>>17773390
>Yes, they were in Syria, Iraq and Lybia.
All of these well after the 4 Arab-Israeli wars, not during any of them, and ironically enough the US even supported Saddam before the invasion of Kuwait
>They actually never fought any of their enemies themselves other than some small ragtag militias like Hezbollah and Hamas
Lol, I guess the Syrian, Egyptian and Jordanian armies along with all the Arab militias that supported them don't count?

>>17773397
There’s no “Arab-Israeli wars”, its a conflict between International jewry which has control over the west and the Muslims. He lied before the Congress and said Iraq and Lybia were developing WMDs and had to be taken out, same shit he is doing now with Iran. Despite unlimited military, economic and diplomatic support from the West they cannot fight wars themselves.

>>17773326
>How many of these cases are actual rape, as in forceful penetration? 99% of modern rape cases are women regretting having sex with someone and reporting them for rape
The vast majority of those cases are Pakistani taxi drivers and delivery shop owners plying underage girls from broken homes with drugs and booze then pimping them out to men from their own communities once they get suckered into "relationships." Trying to play off running pimp games on underaged girls as "blood libel and feminist propaganda" is heinous shit even for this shithole. If Muslims had any integrity they would've policed this themselves and fucked those men up for committing about 20 different major sins by the standards of their own religion and besmirching their community's reputation and honour in the societies in which they live.

>>17773415
>International jewry which has control over the west and the Muslims.
Well we agree on something at least

>>17773423
This is like someone breaking into your home and you don’t report him to the police and it happens again and again. Why did they fail to report the crimes to the police if they felt threatened? If someone breaks into your home would you report him?

>>17773326
>Rotherham denial

Okay that's it, I don't intend to read one more word of what you're saying.
To hell with you Mohammedans

>>17773457
Its textbook pimping, so its wrong and prohibited under Islamic law. But it cannot be called rape and the fact is that the victim isnt as blameless as the Zionist media makes it out to be.

>>17773472
It's just used as one of many reasons why you should get out of their countries(which you should if you live in the West as a Muslim), even the Quran if I'm not mistaken forbids residing in non-Muslim countries

>>17773480
Sure, as long as you don’t support bombing Muslim countries on behalf of the Zionists i don’t support Muslim immigration to the West

>>17773490
Friend, I want to delete Israel as much as you do if not more, I don't really care about what Muslims do in their own countries as long as it doesn't affect me and my country

>>17773472
>But it cannot be called rape and the fact is that the victim isnt as blameless as the Zionist media makes it out to be.
Are you out here blaming the victims of child prostitution rings for their abuse? What an excellent advert for Islamic morality you are.

>>17773497
This is their plan to tie their cause to the West
>destabilize muslim countries
>displace the population to the west
>cause ethnic tensions in the west
>make the west fight your wars by bombing more muslim countries thus repeating the cycle
>>17773505
Its wrong, but its not rape. Their fault is that they didn’t report the abuses to the police. Which afaik is also a crime in the secular law

>>17772586
>religion is irrelevant to warfare
No shit retard