I mean the Polynesians started around 3000BCE and the ancestors of indigenous Haitians (Taíno, Arawa) were seafaring at 4000BCE.

Like literally, I mean the first settlers in Madagascar were Austronesian in 300CE. In particular I am confused as to why the bantus before 1000CE never crossed the 400 km Channel in the Indian Ocean perhaps starting near Sebastião and ending up in Mahajanga.

I find it easy to understand that the Khoisan groups never seafared while in those territories for 80 kya because they tended to move from place to place as they were nomadic hunter gatherers (khoi later on were pastorial) and hunter gatherers aren't as technologically complex as pastorialists.

Eurangutans, explain yourselves
>The people living on the Canary Islands are believed to have lost contact with Europe after their initial settlement, which occurred sometime between 1000 BCE and the early centuries CE, and they remained isolated until European rediscovery in the 14th century CE. After their arrival, the inhabitants appear to have lost contact with the outside world, including both Europe and North Africa.Their societies developed in isolation for over 1,000 years. During this period, they lost maritime technology, like boats capable of long-distance travel, further ensuring isolation.
Are white people white?

>>17768859 (OP)
To further emphasise my point the ancestors of the andamanese likely used basic watercraft (e.g., bamboo rafts or dugouts) to travel across water about 50 kya. Also there is linguistic evidence that the sentinelsese had kept contact with the other andaman islanders within the past few thousand years; so they didn't forget maritime technology like the Canary islanders.

aren't bantus relatively new in southern africa?

>>17769207
You answered my question. I guess my question now goes on to the Khoisan. The first wave austronesian settlers were hunter gatherers and generally hunter gatherers are nomadic; resources are not always available in one location. The San Bushmen had territories at the Madagascar coast for a very long chunk of time (~80 kya) and they didn't seafare despite having a very detailed knowledge of thier environment and how to extract resources but never looking out further at sea for fish or mere curiosity.

>>17770264
As bushmen and herders, they had neither the incentive nor the environment to develop sea-faring craft.

it's always funny when whitoids get stumped about africans never needing to do anything other than what they've always done, what's so difficult about understanding necessity, bantus were farmers firstly, they have access to the best farmland in africa, access to plenty of freshwater, all empty and sparsely inhabited by hunters and gatherers with no iron, why would they leave and risk sailing to nowhere?

>>17770264
the san were too busy being absolute gigachad hunter gatherers living the anprim dream to bother with boats

>>17770390
because africa was wakanda and they never had a famine where they had to watch their family starve where they would do anything to prevent it, not even sail to a lush island a short distance from the continent full of wild game with no adaptation to humans, all until wypipo came, of course, you absolute fucking retard

>>17770421
yea and the solution to famine is to abandon the numerous rivers and lakes where there's fish and go to the sea with your 20 foot boat to sail to nowhere? do you understand how retarded you sound? to even convince anyone to get into the sea would assume there are more fertile lands beyond the vast expanse of the land they've already traveled on, it's like expecting some apache to abandon the entire continental us because of some famine in texas and sail to hawaii, absolutely batshit retarded, if there's famine in one place you move elsewhere or unload your granary stock, or follow the river upstream, trade with pastoralists or other farmers, etc there are so many options besides sailing to nowhere like an ignorant lunatic

>>17770390
> whitoids
I am ethnically Zimbabwean shona-Bantu, I hear my family's native language music in Nandos (I dunno if amerimutts know that restaurant) cause my ethnic group extends to Mozambique. The thread title was a but mocking because I found the near self-deprecating humor funny.

>>17770421
>not even sail to a lush island
Madagascar has tropical weather disasters and famine retard.

>all until wypipo came
Bantu arrived in Madagascar ages ago too. Why be so ignorant yet speak like you are authoritative?

>>17770539
what's up with giving back your farms to white people, wth is mnangagwa doing ?

>>17770431
>why do white people be climing mountains and shit

>>17770567
Lots of people do that though. The difference is one is a sport and the other is just life.

>>17770583
God I really hate you Niggers. Always making excuses on why your race is the least advanced compared to everyone else. even to the pajeets and Arabs

>>17768859 (OP)
The channel between continental Africa and Madagascar is extremely hard to navigate, especially on a sail ship. The Indic despite being a longer trip, is much calmer. Look into it. You need to be pretty skilled to navigate through the thing.
Also the Bantu were farmers and had very little experience building seaworthy boats.

>>17770593
TL;DR: Not an easy environment to develop seafaring technology, especially from scratch.

>>17770592
What the fuck is wrong with you to make you fly off the handle like this. You were going to start screaming about something no matter what I said.

>>17770592
Lmao you think your special for climbing mountains as a sport? People used to go massive treks for trade back and forth on foot or camel/horse for centuries and millenia. That was life.

>>17770553
You sound like my Dad lol. I'm 2nd generation but he grew up in Rhod->Zim and he idolises zimbabwe's military and actions after independence and Mugabe's choices. He blames the country's famine in the early 2000s entirely on drought (which Zim does actually have to bear with as an equatorial region) and he thinks association with Mugabe kicking the white farmers out is western propaganda. He also thinks that Zimbabwe's life expectancy falling was due solely to aids rather than the former. I do recognise that Mugabe helped build more schools for black kids which were few and this rally helped my Dad and Aunts get an education and a better life for me and my cousins. But even all of my Aunt's understand he was both good and bad and personally I think he was bad. Mugabe wasn't at all good after all there is a reason why his reign ended in a military coup.

>>17770855
> I forgot to add: yes 80% of the blacks were already living agricultural when the whites were kicked out; I trust the anons on /his/ know the Bantus are farmers at heart. But many of them couldn't deal with large scale farming or more modern farming technologies hence the farms were abandoned.

>>17768859 (OP)
Usopp real life nations is Madagascar

>>17770872
>But many of them couldn't deal with large scale farming or more modern farming technologies hence the farms were abandoned.
Not exactly true. Many had direct experiance or knowledge due to bring in farming as workers and staff. The key issue was that the farmland went to Mugabe's cronies since he had to reward his supporters for their effort. Granted this is merely a variation and continue of previous policy trends done by the British as a way to stave off class discontent and garnering support for the empire.

>>17768859 (OP)
I'm just going to copy paste everytime this thread is posted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar#History
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vazimba


Because there was almost "no one" there until "recently". You'd have to understand a brief overview of the peopling of Africa and Madagascar. Swathes of mainland East Africa within TseTse fly / Sleeping Sickness territory were inhabited by a Hadza / KhoiSan - like hunter gatherer peoples until around 500AD until the Bantu came. Hunter Gatherers have fairly low population densities, farmers, in this case the Bantu, have higher ones. Farmers absorb and displace these groups very easily.

The people that would have likely had a head start colonizing the area, Nilotics, Cushitics, and Nilo-Cushitic pastoralist cattle herders couldn't venture further south past Kenya, because the TseTse fly would kill their cattle, so instead of changing their entire lifestyle, they just remained within those borders. The Bantu absorbed the ones further south with some pockets of Nil slightly further south like in Tanzania like the Iraqw.

Also natives did reach Madagascar before Austronesians. There were some hunter gathering foragers there around 2000BC. It's likely that they were so small in number they got immediately absorbed.
Austronesians arrived in waves starting 350BC to around 550AD, with earlier waves that likely mixed with those HG like the Vazimba got absorbed by later waves. The Bantu arrived in East Africa around 500AD, and centuries later around 1000AD, likely after reaching critical population density on the mainland, started to venture into Madagascar. The Bantu arrived in the area as the Austronesian expansion ended there, before that most of the entire continent below the Horn of Africa was populated solely by Hunter Gatherers.

Some maps.

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>>17768859 (OP)
>why didn't the culture that failed to invent the written language and chairs fail to invent boats
the world will never know

>>17768901
portugal and spain aren't white

>>17771477
This looks like an image from the Finno-Korean hyperwar

>>17769207
They've been in South Africa for as long as Yamnaya's have been in Europe.

>>17772083
Boats and other seafaring technology predate written language.

>>17772399
ok, what about the fact they didn't invent the chair?

>>17772407
Kek. This is how I know you know fuck all about African history if you think various cultures didn't have a concept for chairs.

>>17772413
show me an example of a sub-Saharan african pre euopean contact chair, because it doesn't exist, because they never invented the chair. there is a huge argument on wikipedia about it, retardo

>>17772446
Africans had chairs, but historically, stools were more common, especially among sub-Saharan African cultures. Chairs, particularly those with backs, were often associated with leadership and status, sometimes introduced by European traders. Stools, often carved from a single piece of wood, were significant objects in ceremonies and leadership regalia

>>17772646
that picture is from after yuros made contact. show me a preyuro contact chair. you can't because they never invented the chair

>>17770421
>never had a famine where they had to watch their family starve
Every society had famines, usually it would mean you would just move to another area that you could get there without having to adapt to a whole different piece of technology that you rarely use.
>not even sail to a lush island a short distance from the continent
How the fuck would you know that if you were some bantu farmer living on the coast of Mozambique or some shit? It's not like you could see it from there.

>>17770567
Retarded analogy taht doesn't even work. The rule of necessity applies to yt people aswell. Whites didnt sail to America because they were just such curious explorers, they were pushed to do it by muslim empires. Prior to that they were shitting squaloring in what was left of the greatness of Rome and this was considered just fine for them. It wasn't until Muslims and steppe niggers started kicking their shit in did they began to advance

>>17772650
Those chairs existed before Europeans took a photograph of it retard

>>17773029
that photo was taken in 1914 you retard. those chairs do not predate yuropean contact.
subsaharan africans did not invent the chair

>>17772446
>sub-Saharan african pre euopean contact chair
Thats like shitting on Euros for not creating a 1:1 match with Chinese calligraphy.

>>17772646
Would people actually sit in that extremely high throne in the center or was that one ceremonially empty or filled with a statue of some sort?
Seems impractically high.

>>17772083
>written language
Why do rightoids use this as their own? Europeans didnt invent written language either, most cultures didnt invent it and the ones that did had it very late near the end of the bronze age like China which only began to form it in the 13th century BC. Nearly all writing systems are derivative and the way they spread just like all goods was through the euasian trade routes which was completely disconnected from SSA. And even then the societies that did have it barely ever used it until rome reached its peak.

>>17773036
Do you have proof the chairs were directly inspired by European chairs? If not then shut the fuck up

>>17773041
it's a fucking chair, not a system of writing
>>17773050
the fact that they didn't fucking invent them before yuros showed up you retard

>>17773047
why do you commies seethe so hard over africans not inventing writing? My favorite part is the fact that even when given writing, africans and native australians still decided it wasn't worth recording any of their history in any way

>>17772446
lmao i remember arguing with you a few years peddling the same tired ignorant bullshit

>>17773110
a. it wasn't me
b. where are the chairs? surely you have a chair to show me

>>17772446
you are genuinely retarded if you are still the same person, these are sculptures made before europeans arrived, get outside your mom's basement, out of your echo chamber and experience the real world

>>17773123
no, not until you have eyes, these pictures are for people who live outside where there's light

>>17773131
>this statue has a buttplug that means dey had chairs
lmao
>>17773137
so no chairs

>>17773145
so no eyes, lmao

much of east africa’s coast isn’t super conducive. no big sheltered bays so not a lot of natural harbors, and the coast is often fringed by a reef or just unsupported by big rivers. riverine groups up north cracked proto-maritime stuff on the nile, but afaict the interface w/the actual indian ocean themes was meh for most east africans until later.
second, iron age bantu expanse seems heavily inland-oriented. they were rolling agropastoralists bc of lush rivers and forest margins, not ocean margins. why risk the scary water?
neighbors also kinda mattered. byzantine red sea types, arabs, gujaratis et al had the vision rn (wrote it up later in the Periplus Maris Erythraei etc), but kind of gatekept the advanced maritime tech. or do you think the papuans who see 747s are stupid for not building them. lots of hunter gatherers and straightforward agriculturists played "anti-maritime bias": plenty food behind you, way less skill, swift adaptation pressure to move inland as needed, zero existential push for pelagic adventure.

not everything is motivated by programmed permutations of some vague "industrious eurasian poly-marinism" either. real driver was economics+circumstance not IQ points or inherent lack

>>17773097
>africans and native australians still decided it wasn't worth recording any of their history in any way
Africans actually wrote though, a lot in fact if you bothered a basic wiki glance. Australian aboriginals were extremely disenfranchised but still have made their own written works and accounts. Did you blow in from Twitter.

>>17773089
>it's a fucking chair, not a system of writing
Can't even grasp a basic comparison. I really do hope you are an ESL.

>>17773209
It isn't fucking comparable. even fucking animals will use a chair, you retard
>>17773205
no, not really. maybe like ethiopians, but the rest of sub saharan africa didn't write dick and most of their histories are things yuros recorded

>>17773213
lmao you are genuinely stupid, there's tonnes of swahili literature written in the arabic script in the 800s and 900s, i don't even know why i'm bothering with a wilful ignoramus, what's next, africans lived in the stone age?

>>17773213
Ethiopians are Africans. Many Africans did write in various other scripts as well as writing in other languages as well. What language did you think King Alfonso I Of Kongo was writing to the Portuguese King about? The secular and Islamic poverty in Eastern Africa, Nubia, West Africans adopting Latin script upon its spread from the coast, Ajami, Northern Africa like Egypt where a fuckton kf the world's scripts came from the Hieroglyphs. Africans literally contributing direct verbal and written translation works for translated bibles.

>>17773225
weird how often you faggot cite ethyopia and kenya and act like it's the entire continent
>>17773227
ethiopia and east africa got writing from yuros and arabs. north africa is a totally different ethnic group, fagola

>>17773229
your claim about africans never writing is denied, if you want to make better claims, read more ignorant italian mutt

>>17773235
I'm not italian, you gay retard. I'm sure you are also overstating the amount of writing the kenyans did. now post chairs

>>17773229
>ethiopia and east africa got writing from yuros and arabs.
So eveeyone else can rip off or get inspired by everyone else but Africa has to invent it whole cloth from scratch and multiple times? Get over yourself princess

>>17773239
no you are an ignorant faggot who keeps fumbling around basic premises because his sausage fingers are too sweaty from staying inside his mom's basement , what happened did an african sexually abuse you? is that why you keep asking for a chair lmao

>>17773241
weird how yuros and injuns could invent it on their own, fagola
>>17773248
still no chair pics, lil sis

>>17773262
>weird how yuros
Derived it from other scripts.
>injuns could invent it on their own
Several were brought in from missionaries.
Again you didn't even do the bare minimum since there are several Africans languages that have created new scripts and actively use them.

>>17773262
get your ass checked for stds, faggot

>>17773266
no, there are no sub saraharan african written systems created without yuropean or arabian intervention
>>17773267
I don't need to know what your dad says to you when he tucks you into bead each night

>>17773277
no i think the african molested your mom instead, is he your stepfather? this kind of seething has a personal element, imagine worrying about whether people have chairs or writing systems in a world where western civ is collapsing, it must be painful to have no one to blame but your superior civilization.

>>17773286
you are projecting your cuck fetish on others, retard. now post the chair

>>17773295
pay me faggot, at this point i tend to think you believe winning internet arguments will fix your life and society

>>17768859 (OP)
>>17768859 (OP)
Whiteiods dont have right to flax about seafaring: these isles could litterally be see from Iberia and yet it took an italian (non-white according to most nordicists) for europeans to reach them when even browner proto-nafris discovered them thousands of years ago

>>17773300
you still can't post the chair because it does not exist
>>17773303
ibreria is african

>>17773307
you are still retarded

>>17773313
you still have no chair and no dick

>>17773317
lmao and your society is collapsing italian mutt

>>17773319
I'm not italian, I'm white, retard

>>17773325
doesn't matter, you are an albino who has to watch what they built collapse and the only way you cope is by arguing about chairs online

>>17773329
is that' why you can't post a chair, lil sis?

>>17773333
no, that's why you are permanently online lil italian mutt larping as white

>>17773338
I'm not italian you schizo retard

>>17773347
lmfao, you know if you said it enough times to yourself you would almost fool yourself into believing it

>>17773355
your posts are getting deleted schizoid spamming tranny

>>17770421
This is a TRVTH NVKE

>>17773365
lmao does that mean you cease being an italian mutt

>>17773370
I've never been italian, troon

>>17772646
They didn't have chairs, picrel is not a chair, it's a stool

>>17773372
no you just acquired mutt ancestry by osmosis

>>17773381
did an eyetalian fuck your mom or something? post a chair

>>17773393
lmao what happened to deleting my comments albino mutt, are you so insecure that you can't handle online arguments, i am picturing you running to the janny crying about you being called an italian mutt with greasy hair

>>17771470
>Also natives did reach Madagascar before Austronesians. There were some hunter gathering foragers there around 2000BC. It's likely that they were so small in number they got immediately absorbed.

I don't think this is true at all, even if these supposed 2000 BCE and following Madagascar HG populations were small initially (or due to contact diseases after AN settles) to the point of eliminating their khoisan haplogroups in current day Malagasy, there would me linguistic evidence of this even trace admixture as the khoisan speak distibct click languages (before colonial obs).

If bio anthropologists found a L0 haplogroups in even a dozen pure blooded Malagasy (Mada ethnic people) it would be big news obviously.

Also I want to mention this was my last reply I am a nice anon :) :
>>17770872

Picrel unrelated but africans can't be poor and hungry look! /s

>>17768901
>>The people living on the Canary Islands
Those were most likely white-passing Berbers. So, not European.

>>17770855
how is masiyiwa even a billionaire in an economy like zimbabwe's?

>>17773398
I'm not eyetalian, now post the chair, schizo

>>17773921
Your question is valid but remember that in poor countries the the rule is that there is a large rich and poor divide and the middle class is small and there is extreme social inequality. Idk who tf masiyiwa is but if he is a returning and retired skilled 1st gen then he is probably staying in Zim cause you can get cheap mansions and luxury cause the value of money is more in poor countries. (sorry if I overexplained)

>>17774169
"Strive Masiyiwa is a London-based Zimbabwean billionaire businessman and philanthropist. He is the founder and executive chairman of international technology groups Econet Global and Cassava Technologies. Masiyiwa has provided scholarships to more than 250,000 young Africans since 1996 through his family foundation."
> I didn’t think I guessed that accurately lol

>>17774169
you are zimbabwean and had to google masiyiwa? yea right.

>>17768859 (OP)
Because they are niggers in africa. >>17768901
You know their aren’t exactly a whole not of trees on those islands that can easily be used to make boats. Their are pine forests but they aren’t very big and they aren’t on all of the islands

>>17774181
You might be a bit scatter brained, I am 2nd gen and in UK. I said this in one of my earlier replies and heavily implied this in one before. Yes I'm culturally british but I had to explain I was Bantu to explain that I am not alt right. Also even if I was 1st gen or proper Zim some Zimbabweans are rural and won't know shit about London based billionaires (yes rural zims can sometimes get electricity and internet).

>>17773393
Here’s a bunch of pre colonial African furniture wignat

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>>17774196
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>>17774199
Wow looks cool. My aunt used to have chairs very similar to this. If truly precolonial, I never knew this thanks for effortpost.

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>>17774199
>>17774201
>>17774205
source? those look like chairs made by yuros and made after 1900, phone poster

>>17774196
..

>>17774211
still no source

>>17774191
even more retarded is that you are british and don't know of him, lmao, they're right about you hopeless diaspora folk

>>17774209
Most of these are from the Atlantic coastal region some by the Hausa, edo, and duala. Also here’s this cool looking Igbo chair

>>17774218
Also here’s some of these they look cool. One is from Congo

>>17774218
>>17774224
where is the source? these all look like 1900 hundreds chairs. well after yuros brought the chair to africa

>>17774214
Man. No brits know him, look on wiki about Shona ethnic group the most famous Zim was Mugabe there a barely any international famous Zims. Maybe I would add one Zim brit MP and MF doom (who's dad is zim lol) lower down on the list. If you didn't think Brits knew him why do you think 2nd gen immigrants of any culture are always in touch. I have several cousins who know less Shona language and zim politics and history than me, it doesn't matter to them and that's fine too they are basically British.

>>17774226
It was before the Berlin conference and the Benin kingdom had many chairs like this. Also there is like no proof Europeans had any contact with igbos

>>17768859 (OP)
It's honestly baffling. Every other culture on the planet developed some sort of maritime technology. Even the Chumash, a Native Californian tribe, managed to build ocean going vessels to row to the Channel Islands.

When the Portuguese sailed around Africa they were surprised to find uninhabited islands 10 miles offshore, well within the ability of people onshore to see the islands. The problem isn't lack of wood, the Africans have access to a variety of woods. By contrast the Chumash had to wait for wood to float down the California coast. The problem isn't tool technology. The Africans had access to bronze and later iron tools. By contrast the Chumash used bone tools to split their wood into planks and sharkskin to sand them into boards.

Every other people on the planet, Polynesians, Melanesians, Micronesians, Philipinos, Native Taiwanese, East Asians, Indians, Middle Easterners, Native North Americans, Native South Americans, and Europeans all developed maritime technology. Except Africans.

>>17774227
don't you guys have any festivals where all of you come together, a diaspora association, a youth association, investment groups, wife finding parties, etc

>>17774238
source? you got all those pics from a twitter thread of modern african furniture made in the 2020s and are trying to lie about it

>>17774240
Africans really didn’t need too. outside of trade of course

>>17774247
“twitter thread of modern african furniture made in the 2020s“ you are right about one thing I did get these from a twitter moot but these are all images that came from European museums. None of these were made in the 2020s. You should try to image search maybe hmm? Pull out the yandex boy and get on it

>>17774240
the only baffling part is your ignorance of african geography, all those you mentioned lived near large navigable rivers or islands, yet still you'll find bantus had already sailed to cape verde, zanzibar, comoros and madagascar but no farther because it wasn't necessary

I just love how these treads always devolve into
>africans didn't develop *insert very basic thing*
>no they did here is *very basic thing*
>so what they are still dump and lagged behind every other race aside from the aboriginals
>ha no silly white devil we had *very basic thing* that means we where wakanda for ever all along
I mean great you had fucking chairs, that won't undo your whole continent getting colonized
>silly white devil, Ethiopia didn't get colonized until the 20th century so it wasn't all of africa

>>17774243
I live in Cov which is diverse and yeah there are black culture stuff but that reflects the relevant UK immigrant groups equally (carribeans, Nigerians, Ghanaians etc). I do regret not doing that in 6th form and I will join when my Uni term starts but that was before I got interested in anthropology and history. Even my cousins who have black friend groups and act less "white" than me still won't be in touch with zim politics understandably because it's not relevant to them and surprisingly not much about history idk why (they know great Zim was a thing but no detail about kings, rain gods San shamans); about the former thier parents obviously know and care but won't bore them and most of my cousins still visit Zim are in touch in other ways. My cousins who are very out of touch are mixed but also American and there is no zim community there and they don't meet thier UK/Zim aunts so that changes things.

>>17774268
>a twitter moot
tf is that a tread for ents?

>>17774268
none of those chairs were made before 1900. you are a lying tranny
>>17774270
except they didn't fucking have chairs, the faggot is posting shit from a twitter thread about chairs from 1900

>>17774199
Oh I messed up my file this one is probably South American

>>17774277
Except I’m not these were pre colonial

>>17774277
chairs or not it just shows how they motte and bailey all the time
it's great you had some stools and chairs for ceremonies whoopdiedo don't make the colonial period any less real

>>17774285
>>17774270
Anon said Africa didn’t have chairs before Africa got colonized, so I showed him furniture before the Berlin conference. Thats all nothing much

The problem isn't population density, since the African tribes were hardly less densely populated than the Chumash in California. The problem isn't a lack of agriculture, since the Chumash were able to subsist off of a diet of ground up acorns.

>>17774261
That's another thing. As soon as the Portuguese sailed around Africa they realized that the Africans did not trade with one another even though they all had trade goods and were willing to trade with one another. A vast amount of Portuguese trade was African trade goods carried up or down the coast to other Africans. Which earned them great wealth in gold.

>>17774269
No bantus ever sailed to Cape Verde. It was uninhabited when the Portuguese arrived. Zanzibar was an Arab settlement. Comoros was settled by Austronesians. And this very thread is about Austronesian Madagascar.

>>17774283
then source? I want to see links with dates
>>17774285
except they also didn't have fucking chairs because they couldn't invent chairs

>>17774287
you posted chairs made after 1900 that you found on twitter. you did not post any pre colonization chairs

>>17774270
stop engaging with this greasy italian mutt, he doesn't even know about the benin bronzes

>>17774288
you do understand that the comorian language is bantu and that arabs found native bantus who eventually drove them out and that the cape verdians interbred with the portuguese?

>>17774288
incentives need to be kept in mind. Earliest Old World sailing was mainly between well populated cultures in trade or geographically limited settlers in demand for land. In africas case the Bantu Expansion has land travel as a more meaningful investment.

>>17774295
>>17774287
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/316533
this chair dates back to the 1800s, hundreds of years after the portugese made contact

>>17774288
lmao there was barter trade btn various tribes, how can you be this ignorant, if the portuguese didn't see it, it never happened lmao, typical ignorant euro

>>17774302
just gonna jump in here and remind you that chairs were diffused from Egypt, not something independently invented by europeans.

>>17774329
source?

>>17774300
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoros#Settlement
>The first attested human inhabitants of the Comoro Islands are now thought to have been Austronesian settlers travelling by boat from islands in Southeast Asia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Verde#History
>Before the arrival of Europeans, the Cape Verde Islands were uninhabited. They were discovered by Genoese and Portuguese navigators around 1456. According to Portuguese official records, the first discoveries were made by Genoa-born António de Noli, who was afterwards appointed governor of Cape Verde by the Portuguese king Afonso V.

>>17774301
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu_expansion
>The expansion is believed to have taken place between about 6,000 and 1,500 years ago (approximately 4,000 BCE to 500 CE).

The thousand years between the end of the Bantu expansion and the arrival of the Portuguese should have been more than enough time to build well populated cultures.

>>17774305
I should clarify this point. The Portuguese brought gold from the Gold Coast in Ghana to Angola which they used to purchase African slaves from the Angolans to sell in Ghana. Neither the Ghanans nor the Angolans had been capable of trading with one another before the Portuguese arrived.

>>17774240
>this meme again

>>17769207
Yes. They are fairly modern chimp influenced hybrid

>>17774410
I stand corrected. That said, the boat does have signs of Austronesian construction techniques.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtepe

>>17774287
annon the Berlin conference isn't the start of colonization, it is the capstone
>>17774295
>benin bronzes
that's an other one of those copes
>africa produced some medium quality bronzes
>that's proof the the continent and it's people where/are on par with Europe and it's people

>>17774441
Would make sense if the austronesian culture was older, which could, south africa had prebantu hominids, probably by the millenia they developed sea faring the austranesians were there already similar to japan and china and they decided as society to leave them in peace

>>17774387
500 CE!? that last bit sounds off I thought some bantus reached SA a few hundred years ago. Shonas reached Zim 1000 CE maybe 700 CE and Ndbele(Matabele) around 1830.

>>17774468
most of the benin bronzes were made with bronze that was bought from yuros

>>17774430
>18th century
>>17774435
>19th century

>>17774544
african lovers spam shit and never read dates because they can't read

>>17774527
That's specific set. Bot all of their origins were uniform in the metal source inside or outside Europe. More so because many other bronze works varied on the time fo creation

>>17774240
>Except Africans.
Somalis, Egypt and North Africa, the horn, the various western African groups who did coastal restricted trade. The various riverine trading societies, Swahili, madagascar

>>17774562
And plenty of islands were i habitat during the age of discovery that were "nearby" allover the world in Asia and Europe let lone the Pacific and the new world. Major point to not that naval innovation had to build up over literal millenia to even reach that point and even the. Settlement wasn't full on. Portuguese boats used to temporarily take shelter on some islands that they didn't actually know were super far away or actually in North America.

>>17774562
Yeah, you are right about the Swahili. The wiki for the Malagasies used to mention the Swahili traders in the 1500s who were significant in Madagascar's history. I just looked up the flag I'm surprised I didn't see anyone here after 2 days randomly shout out they are from/lived in mg cause I occasionally see thier flags in /pol/ or maybe I'm colorblind. HELLO MADA MUTTS?

>>17774686
Maybe Israel likes Mada vpns I dunno.

>On the picrel it took me eons to find this image after googling a clear explicit "jew holding hands" the censorship isn't cool. (Ik I'm cringe)

>>17774565
And the Portguese only discovered some of the islands off West Africa unintentionally and only en route to another destination way further south of the continent or somewhere else. A lot kf the naval navigation firsts only occurred because they were the first to do it.

>>17774686
Plus the Malagasy aren't 30-60% Swahili Bantu exactly they are 30-60% Eastern Bantu. They are denced from a bunch of Bantu tribes who migrated across the channel; not just traders kind of like current day Austronesians 21% papuan and the reverse is like 2% cause the men moved and took thier wives. The 2nd former is interesting, when I was clueless and dumb I thought the Moana people were the same as abos and papuans but they are somewhat related I guess. Also to clear the record in the picrel the Malagasy are REALLY well studied genetically they certainly have no Khoisan/Afro HG dna!

>>17774715
> *Sos on bad grammer the group I mentioned (idk I mixed up the logic) took thier ethnic wives with them. The cuck interpretation is funny but there wasn't much racism or inequality between the groups I think which is interesting?

>>17768859 (OP)
>Bantus

They didn't get to that part of Southeast Africa until just before their arrival on Madagascar. You need to ask why the Cushitic or Southern Nilotic Africans never did so who lived in similar regions, but then again the Swahili (whose ethnogenesis is literally 50% Bantu, 50% Persian, but with strong evidence suggesting the Bantu side started their culture first) did so further north.

>>17771470
There's even older evidence suggesting that people were on Madagascar as far back as 10,000 years ago.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2179295-we-may-have-reached-madagascar-6000-years-earlier-than-once-thought/

>>17774724
>whose ethnogenesis is literally 50% Bantu, 50% Persian,
Not really outside of a minority of the coastal but they have Arab and other ancestry too.

>>17774767
Their ethnogenesis isn't necessarily what they are today, so you're not wrong either. Most Swahili people are predominantly Bantu.

>>17770567
You kinda lost dude. ALTHOUGH I will admit that adventure isn't really a part of the negro's psyche. He never really NEEDED to sail the ocean, thus he simply didn't

I'm beginning to believe that pre-industrial society was simply better. Living in tandem with nature as a people probably means that they were closer to God than we are.
>But muh inventions
What's the point? You're all arguing about chairs existing before European contact but does that even matter? Did European contact help quality of life or did it just cause an unnatural population boom, throwing off the balance with nature?

>>17768901
guanches cluster with not maghrebis not europeans

>>17775404
>Did European contact help quality of life
Yes. By sailing around the African coast the Portuguese brought Africans tribes into contact with one another who otherwise would never have met before. Gambians and Ghanans from West Africa were able to meet with Angolans and other Central Africans and Mozambicans and Kenyans. These connections helped native African life along their many coasts.

The Portuguese also pioneered diplomatic relations with the African kingdoms integrating them into a global system of diplomacy. A handful of high ranking Africans were brought to Europe to attend seminaries and gain knowledge of God.

At the more basic level the Portuguese brought to West, Central and South Africa spices from India and the Spice Islands of Indonesia. These areas were beyond the reach or interest of the Arab and Indian trades on the East African coast. In Mozambique and South Africa the Portuguese worked with the locals to develop Peri-peri chicken, a spicy and savory dish.

>>17775404

Merely on the picrel, maita basa. Wazviita sterek. (Assuming you were black nat presumably zim, diaspora hating anon). Idk about industrial life being worse like said Sekuru Ted said? (ok I'll stop) I swear I would have read Sapiens if Harari wrote more about prehistoric hunter gatherers.

>Also did this thread just freeze for anyone else? Did someone report the OP to jannies? I'm new to /his/ have Mada threads been posted that many times? I thought I was original (in the question).

>Picerel is actually when a tree goes up a tree hugger's arse.

>>17774199
Even if actually precolonial that can't be technology its just placenta (picrel) /s

>>17775648
I hope I haven't gotten annoying yet but yes the Portuguese inspired my fav black invention... Nandos; praise colonialism.

>Also subsaharan Africans mostly only eat sadza/Ugali/posho/nsima etc, if Nandos was accurate to Moza most of the meals would be maizemeal doughs.

>Tbh native Americans basically only ate grains thier lipid metabolism is basically adapted to that diet.