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>>17771204 (OP)
there should be a K in there i think

How exactly do some ruins in Turkey from 12 thousand years ago prove magic aliens came and raped monkeys and that's how we came to be? Enuma Elis, one of the oldest sacred texts ever written is a boring recollecting about Heavenly drama between summerian gods abd the empowering of Shamash the god of Babylon. It has nothing to do with aliens and anunaki (the sons of the god Anu) were just entitled brats. Nothing special about it.

>>17771204 (OP)
>Hahah those fools! Mainstream archaeology says that human civilisation is 10,000 years old! But they're wrong! WRONG! Gobekli Tepe proves that it's older!
>How much older?
>It's actually 10,300 years old!!! Haha! Take THAT big archaeology!

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>>17771236
It disproves that there were only hunter-gatherers at that time. It proves that there was (at least one) civilization at that time that had food + labor surplus, and a longstanding artisan culture with advanced religious rites.
Before the discovery of Gobleki Tepe, mainstream archaeologists believed that civilization began in 3500-3000 BC. The discovery of Gobleki Tepe has pushed that date back to at least 9600 BC.

>>17771669
Good, I'm not against that at all. I don't see how anyone could find this information troublesome.
This doesn't prove acient aliens or Hyperbolia or whatever, though.

>>17771673
Because it seems to just pop out of nowhere historically, with little else excavated from around that time, especially not large complex cities or other settlements. It causes people to theorize that there was either an otherwise completely lost advanced civilization >11,600 years ago or, that there is some truth to ancient myths about the gods transferring the knowledge/technology required for civilization to primitive people, like Prometheus, which all ancient cultures had an analog of.

>>17771713
Yeah aliens travelled thousands of light years just to teach monkeys how to move and stack rocks but refused to teach us about electricity, vaccines or really any kind of useful knowledge besides sculping stones. Also by the way just a few posts above I mention Enuma Elis, the most acient religious text which surprise surprise, doesn't have any kind of Prometheus archetype!

>>17771669
>It disproves that there were only hunter-gatherers at that time
why are we assuming they had to be settled? it could be like steppe nomads where they had organized societies despite not being permanently settled.

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>>17771744
The Enuma Elish is their cosmogony myth, so it wouldn't include that. The myth with Inanna as the Babylonian Promethean figure would be the myth of Inanna and Enki, in which Enki is tricked into giving Inanna the "Mes," which are civilizational technologies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_%28mythology%29?wprov=sfla1

>>17771771
Nomadic groups don't build monolithic structures because they don't have
>large scale agriculture, which is required for
>food surplus and storage, which is required to feed
>military to acquire slaves and/or other heavy laborers and
>multiple generations of artisan craftsmen, which is required for
>monolithic structures of the complexity of Gobekli Tepe's reliefs.
It's a domino effect where the first cause is large scale agriculture, and Gobekli Tepe precedes agriculture and pottery in the region by a thousand years. It's more reasonable to assume Atlantis or a real Promethean figure than the alternative of "Actually the hunter-gatherers and subsistence farmers gave their meager excess food to an entire class of people within a complex society's division of labor, even though no other hunter-gatherer group has done this since," which is the mainstream archaeological explanation for Gobekli Tepe.

>>17771887
You're getting things mixed up. It was thought that permanent settlement and large-scale agriculture were needed to build large structures. But at Göbekli Tepe and other sites, we are finding wild grains and animals, which suggests that if there is an abundance of wild food sources, then non-urban societies can build cool shit

>>17771713
There were probably others and Gobleki Tepe is just uniquely well preserved.

>>17771887
>even though no other hunter-gatherer group has done this since
What a retarded argument.

>>17771669
>Before the discovery of Gobleki Tepe, mainstream archaeologists believed that civilization began in 3500-3000 BC.
This is nonsense. The kind of academics who insisted that civilization began merely in 3500 BC didn't consider neolithic sites "civilizations" anyway, for the same reason they dismissed hundreds of other advanced neolithic sites. This is because they insist on fairly arbitrary features like writing being requisites for the term to properly apply.
>The discovery of Gobleki Tepe has pushed that date back to at least 9600 BC.
Mainstream archeologists accepted that civilization was anywhere between 7000-9000 years old back when Graham Hancock was a schoolboy. By the time Klaus Schmidt turned the world's attention to Gobekli Tepe and Hancock started his writing career, this had been pushed back another millennium or two.

>>17771929
>we are finding wild grains and animals
I am skeptical of any claims about what people ate in a certain area 10 thousand years ago, how is that even testable? Do they run an experiment with certain foods by leaving them outside for 10k years then return to see what remains? Laughable

>>17772142
For example, let's take a look at Antiquity Volume 33, published in 1959. It's a journal from which you could generally expect the strictest Cambridge orthodoxy, it's hard to think of something that could be embody "mainstream archeology" more than that. So what were they excitedly talking about right around that time? Besides the usual Classic Antiquity fare:

>the excavation of "Earliest Jericho", an urban site even older than the previous layer dated circa 6000 BC
>Nuraghic Sardinia (the author would soon write whole books on the "Neolithic civilization of Sardinia")
>advanced shipping in predynastic Egypt (early Gerzean culture)
>the restoration of Stonehenge and related excavations
>the early spread of copper-working from the Near East to Europe
>a review of the 1957 book "The Natufian culture" and discussion of the Mesolithic and pre-pottery Neolithic in the Near-East

>>17771669
And "at that time" being 8300BC instead of 8000BC! Big archaeology in the mud! Flintcuck Dibblecuck totally BTFO!!!!!

>>17771713
>some cartoons scratched into stones a few hundred years before they're expected
>this means there's literally gods telling humans how to scratch rocks

>>17772186
>how is that even testable?
By digging up recognisable remains of plants and animals? You know, by doing archaeology instead of treasure hunting?

>>17771929
>But at Göbekli Tepe and other sites
Where

>>17772186
>I am skeptical
Because you're dumb

>>17771224
>magic aliens came and raped monkeys and that's how we came to be
This right here, that all the arguments against him are wild ass Looney Tunes strawmen is all you need to know.

>>17772426
He believes that the Face of Mars was built by aliens as a warning to Earth about climate change. He wrote a whole book about it.

>>17771224
Who is talking about aliens? I have never once heard him mention aliens. Maybe magical Atlanteans, which would have been a better strawman.

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therefore lifting things with psychic singing

>>17771887
Oh yeah have you excavated EVERY nomadic group? check mate establishment

>>17772437
He wrote a whole book about how Martians = climate change

>>17772392
My point is that there is almost no way of telling if people ate a food like bread or rice 10 thousand years ago. Nearly all remains of such foods would have vanished.
>>17772405
I'm not the retard saying hunter gatherers could build extremely mathematically sophisticated large stone structures all mathematically aligned with each other with seemingly little practical purpose outside of religious reasons.