What was the historical point of no return for Indians? I'm genuinely interested if their total degeneration was inevitable

>>17772013 (OP)
India is the only civilization I actually believe the "we wuz whites" shit about. Looking at Indian history and then modern Indians is such a contradiction; I just cannot believe they are the same people, they have to have been replaced at some point.

>>17772013 (OP)
Chuds won’t like this but it was the british colonization. India went from 25% to 2% of global economy

>>17772013 (OP)
>Point of No Return
Delusional. India is not sub-Saharan Africa where there is zero industry or any hint of stable institutions and technology. India is a rapidly industrializing economy with a strong services sector. It will inevitably be a much better version of China. India was stagnant under vassalship in the USSR and only liberalized its economy in 1991

>>17772047
>>17772076
OP here, I was rather referring to the detestable state of the indian society rather than their economy or state strength

>>17772013 (OP)
Serious answer?
Colonization

No, I am not kidding
Basically, Britain made India great. Lots of bad things of course, but the country really got richer and richer

Then the decolonization happened
The system that the Brits placed require that the chosen leaders have a concept of Christian values and prioritize results over tribalistic ideals
Brits succeeded in making India great but their culture and belief system were completely tribal, clan-based, and hierarchy-strict.
Thus, the efficient system that was supposed to keep India running became an efficient system at creating a dysfunctional nation.

It's like having a nice car but replacing its engine with something not designed for it.

Society must work for its future. If they didn't figure out what things work and what doesn't, under their own merit, culture will not improve.

Thus, India doomed itself.
One way out would be to turn them Christians or at least learn to follow the Christian ways like Japan did

>>17772127
>State of society
India's social state and rule of law is objectively MUCH better than it was decades ago and its only getting even better. However, I will not further engage with your bad faith shill thread with any good faith discussion. Go whine about being cucked or something on /pol/

>>17772013 (OP)
They just too numerous

>>17772013 (OP)
Being occupied by the British.

British destroyed India. Gutted it's industry, sought to mentally break it's people, and worked to spread divison wherever they went.

>>17772013 (OP)
mixing of the castes

>>17772013 (OP)
The Elamo-Dravidian invasion that destroyed the (Caucasian?) Kalash and Burusho people.

>>17772076
>Delusional. India is not sub-Saharan Africa where there is zero industry or any hint of stable institutions and technology
Many African states do that that though?

>>17772128
>the country really got richer and richer
The people on the ground got nothing and they were shipped as coolies allover the world. How is that great?

>Thus, the efficient system that was supposed to keep India running became an efficient system at creating a dysfunctional nation.
British India had a fuckton of bureaucracy and ineffienct red tape. The British basically bloated the admin with Anglos who couldnt hack it in Britain or needed to pad their resumes, skilled Indians were funneled into government work due tk aton of incentives. India was basically a economic and job welfare plantation for the UK

>>17772128
>at least learn to follow the Christian ways like Japan did
The Japanese killed Christians amd the natives themselves view Christianity as foreign Woo. The same way you may possibly view pagan religions.

>>17774920
They are under America's direct influence and they adapted the Christian ways without complain

>>17772076
>fastest growing economy
This means nothing. GDP per capita matters much more and India is poverty ridden.

>>17774963
>they adapted the Christian ways without complain
Agian you keep spouting bullshit.

>>17775004
Democracy is Christian "All are equal under the eyes of God"
Separation of Church and State is Christian "Render unto Ceasar"

Seppuku was criminalized only after Christians became influence on their nation

>>17774967
>GDP per capita = GDP / population
You can't have a decent increase in capita without an extremely large increase in GDP

>>17775058
>Seppuku was criminalized only after Christians became influence on their nation
Nigga that's like trying to ban suicide or making it illegal. Suicide due to loss of honor or needing to "restore" it wasn't contingent on the whole ceremony part.

>>17775058
>Democracy is Christian "All are equal under the eyes of God"
A ton of those "Christian" states literally either fought to deny that from others or implemented laws to bar other groups from being able to participate in it.

>>17775110
Yes, you absolutely can.
Just look at China

>>17775134
Haha no
Seppukku is enforced as a legit way of apologizing. They treat it as a literal human sacrifice in exchange for restoring relationships

Just like what happened in Sakai incident.
The shock from Christians were so bad, that Seppukku was banned 10 years after

>>17775136
Everyone fought to monopolize power to themselves. Christianity is the only one with a legitimate reason to distribute it

>>17775236
>Just like what happened in Sakai incident.
The French sailors were acting like asshole security threats and got killed for it.
then they demanded
Decapitation of the commander of the Tosa samurai and his men who were involved in the clash at the location where the clash took place
Payment of 150,000 dollars indemnity by Tosa Domain
A formal apology to be made by an imperial prince of Japan aboard a French warship
A formal apology in person by the daimyō of Tosa to the French consul
A rule forbidding Tosa samurai from bearing weapons in any port open to foreigners.

>>17775267
And Japan added 11 men chosen randomly to commit harrakiri in front of them, which shocked them

>>17775272
The French were the ones who wanted heads to roll for shit they did. Why be so dishonest.

>>17775275
Yeah, they did.
They wanted only the guilty to be punished. But Japan gave more than needed, as if human life is nothing to them

The letter outright stated that they interceded after 11 deaths because of a sense of humanity. The ones who were not killed were later given more favorable punishments

Call the French asses. Japan treated their people like sacrificial animals

>>17775330
>They wanted only the guilty to be punished
So the French sailors were harassing and omitting acts of violence and got killed for ATTACKING security and Tosa should be punished for it?

>The letter outright stated that they interceded after 11 deaths because of a sense of humanity. The ones who were not killed were later given more favorable punishments
After screaming for blood constantly?

>Call the French asses. Japan treated their people like sacrificial animals
Lmao the sheer tone deafness. Way to go making Christians/the West look like self-indignant cunts.

>>17775332
The French wanted blood of the guilty.
Japan provided more than needed

What do you not understand?

>>17775335
>The French wanted blood of the guilty
What yne fuck did you expect tbe security to do? Let them riot around the areas being literal animals?

>>17775335
>Japan provided more than needed
Japan was trying to reduce the amount of people needing to be killed. The French weren't budging.

>>17772013 (OP)
side note, I fucking hate the fact they adopted the Ashoka columnhead as their national emblem. it's a buddhist symbol representing 'simhanada', the lion's roar, i.e. the fact that there's nothing 'behind' the mind, as the mind can watch everything, therefore it is identical to nothing.

>>17772076
What a time to be alive btw India has never been known for its quality production

>>17772128
The Brits implemented western values, Christianity is irrelevant

>>17772038
the indian ruling class has only been native indian now, and in the period before the indo-european invasions
>native indian shitholes invaded by aryans coming out of the iranian plateau
>indo-aryans rule for thousands of years, get invaded by persianate turkic tribes
>persianate turkic dynasties rule for almost a thouand years, get invaded by europeans
>europeans rule for a couple hundred years and get removed during decolonization
>india reverts to being a total shithole ruled by native indians

>>17776090
They failed because they didn't convert the people to Christianity
They relied exclusively on military to control the masses, unlike what Spain did.

>>17774967
per capita is westcuck cope, the absolute numbers are what matter.

>>17772013 (OP)
Muslim conquest

>>17775110
>>17776577
Big numbers don't mean anything if the 99% don't experience it
ANYTHING can increase GDP. MIlitary spending, space exploration, or even just building roads

Doesn't mean that there's food on the table, though

>>17776783
Per capita is even worse lol. Look at Equatorial Guinea.

>>17776707
Came here to say this. It was over for them as soon as the Muhgals came. They still haven't recovered.

>>17776707
>>17776862
Mughal India was literally the richest country in the world surpassing even Qing China. And the muslim states in the north were always richer than the south

>>17776898
Not saying it the Mughal empire was poor or a failure. Just that it was the "point of no return" for India/Hindu Indians. The only reason the Mughals didn't push further sound and conqueror the rest of the subcontinent is lack of interest.

>>17776921
They were very tolerant of Hinduism and Indian culture in general, but yeah other states weren’t that lenient it depends

>>17776940
According to their own historians they enjoyed tearing down Hindu temples and taking the heads of the statues and converting them into steps that lead to the mosques. So they could mock the hindus by stating that their gods were being stepped on. They single handedly pushed Buddhism out of India by setting all their temps on fire and burning their scriptures.