I feel bamboozled. After all of this mudhut jokes Germanics made about Africans, most medieval architecture was literally made from Cow-shit.

Explain yourself racist chud

>>17775132 (OP)
Don't let those white walls for you, many have mistaken those walls for wood with white paint, or some type of white stone.

The Western man has to use this trick, while simultaneously making fun of other races for using the exact same building materials.

Wattle and Daub is just Cow-shit, straw and mud. These are mudhuts, not wooden houses

7 story germanic mud hut (with timber framing and stone foundation)

>>17775137
>These are mudhuts, not wooden houses
Pure wood is in fact the simpler construction, which is why it was used in wood-rich areas. Timber framing requires complicated wood work, the more so the bigger the building gets.

>>17775145
That's actually impressive as hell.

But, my ultimate point, is when Germanics are racist against bantus and their mudhuts, they conveniently forget that they used mudhuts. All the trash they talk, you'd think they built everything in stone lol

Like wtf! So I endured mudhut jokes for no reason? I need explanations and I need them fast

Cow-shit mud aryan bros? Our answer??

>>17775137
Yes. Check-out wooden work outside the Germanic world.... The problem isn't the wood itself, but HOW you will use it

Those aren't huts. Huts are crude and often temporary shelters. They're often quickly assembled out of whatever is nearby and aren't meant to last more than a year or so.

African grass and mud huts were such shelters. Basically just a roof with some hastily erected walls under it, a simple living and eating space. European dwellings, even the ones built of wattle and daub, meanwhile, utilized fully timbered frames which were so sturdy they could support multiple interior rooms and even multiple stories. Europeans were living in multistory buildings for millennia, while Africans couldn't manage such a thing until Arabs showed them how.

>>17775204
Cope
See>>17775192
Round houses It's not as different as what we see in Africa, for example.

unless you're building directly out of stone, wood, or steel directly, your home is made of mud. what matters is the sophistication in construction, not the materials.

>>17775204
>Huts are crude
Subjective
>often temporary shelters.
So we're the mudhuts of medieval Europe. They built those houses knowing that they will have to repair them constantly for the rest of their lives. Anything made out of Cow-shit will eventually crumble.

>They're often quickly assembled out of whatever is nearby
So, the mudhuts of medieval Europe then. Hence the Cow-shit, you think they traveled miles and miles for that?

>Basically just a roof with some hastily erected walls under it
That is literally daud and wattle houses.

>European dwellings, even the ones built of wattle and daub,
>even the ones built of wattle and daub,
No, MOST Medieval houses in Germanic Europe were Wattle and Daub..wattle and Daub was the standard. If your goal is to be disingenuous, kindly get the fuck out of my thread.. don't make it seem like wattle and Daub was the exception when it was the standard. MOST people in medieval Europe were peasants. Peasants lived in wattle and daub

>>17775238
>Subjective
It really isn't

>>17775224
You're moving to go post, criticism of Africa has ALWAYS been about material.

This is why Great Zimbabwe is always accredited to Arabs and every stone structure in Africa is always assumed to not have been built by indigenous Africans. Because it's about material.

Maybe most racist Germanics don't realize that these white cottages aren't made of wood or stone. Lol they just assume they are for some reason

>>17775241
Ok

>>17775132 (OP)
Wood houses with straw roofs isn't the same as houses literally made from molded clay

>>17775246
It clearly has a wooden frame. You're trying too hard

>>17775252
>Connecting two sticks together with cow shit

Lol, that is totally enough to make laughing about African mudhuts, not hypocritical

>>17775246
>Maybe most racist Germanics don't realize that these white cottages aren't made of wood or stone. Lol they just assume they are for some reason

>>17775250
Anon, those white walls aren't wood. Lol. This is exactly what I was talking about

>>17775256
Show me where the wooden frame is

>>17775258
The frame of the house is made of wood. What is even the argument being made here?
That a house with a wooden frame is the same as a house with no frame?

>>17775189
How is this supposed to be an epic win? One was created by Egyptians who have had advanced civilisation for thousands of years (not black or Sudanese btw) and the other was created by people who did not have this complex society.

>>17775276
Mediterranean societies were the wealthiest in the world because of their large slave populations. Slavery works

>>17775260
>Posts a stone building
>Asks about wooden frame.
What a self own lol

>>17775282
I'm asking you. I know there is no frame, because it's a rhetorical question.
If you don't have a frame, the best you can do is stack stones or molded clay to create a little mound with a door. Which is what most African houses looked like

>>17775132 (OP)
Now post a medieval African house please

>>17775282
Plus you literally see wood in the roofing.

I'm pointing out the hypocrisy, of racist germanics, who in the medieval period, had 90% of their population living in mudhuts, while at African mudhuts.

What is YOUR argument? Mud hut germanics laughing at African mudhuts is justified because we use a few more twigs. Nigga, even with the twigs, daub and wattle still made up 80% of the structure.

Plus African mudhuts did incorporate wood. Look at the roof of the African stone hut you posted and you see wood

>>17775291
My argument is a house without a frame isn't the same as a house with a frame. Do you know what a frame is?

This >>17775291 was for>>17775262

>>17775290
I already did, look here >>17775157

>>17775192
>dude drew a fucking jaffa on the left

>>17775295
Gonna need a source on this not a strawman meme

>>17775246
See>>17775199

>>17775132 (OP)
Its literally the basic building for every civilization. Its just the Germanics were the best at it and Africans were the worst. Traditional Germanic and Celtic homes last for several dozen years unattended as long as you build them correctly. They are by far some of the most reliable buildings, the fastest to set up and usually require the least industry to make. Even rural areas with fairly sparse populations can make multi-story beautiful homes that last generations.
African homes are extremely poorly built in comparison and don't hold a candle to European constructions. It looks like if you lean on them wrong they would fall the fuck over.

Partly the reason Colonial Life was so appeaing to Europeans during the 1500s and 1600s was that North America had millions of acres of virgin forest that wasn't controlled by some aristocrats so people could actually go there and build better homes for themselves because as you said, the average person lived in a mud hut. Later on extra lumber was imported from the colonies to build homes

>>17775291
>Mud hut germanics laughing at African mudhuts is justified because we use a few more twigs
Its not "using a few more twigs" its advanced joinery with tightly interwoven wattle covered by plastered lime. The floors themselves are basically made from a concrete mix using sand, soured milk, quicklime and ashes. The roof uses either shakes (wooden shingles) or is beautifully thatched as to be an art form and they can be stacked multiple stories, even for the lower classes.
African houses are absurdly poorly built in comparison.

>>17775356
Your post is complete nonesense. Traditional African clay brick buildings look ugly but they are otherwise very robust

>>17775132 (OP)
The issue isnt that Europe was on the same tech as Africa. Its that Africa never progressed.

>>17775364
Extremely basic joinery which leaves most of the wood exposed and left to rot, no sloped roof or eaves so the base of the building collects water which can flood your house or cause the base to fail, and little to no plaster....Literal 70IQ design choices. Everyone else had superior designs figured out in the fucking stone age lmfao.

>>17775370
The fuck do you mean? In quality alone Europe shits all over Africa, as does most of Asia seeing as they used similar design methods for their buildings. The only difference being was slightly different joinery choices and they used charred rice husks for roofing.

>>17775374
The building in the back has no exposed wood, the wood actually serves a purpose, it's there to hang temporary shade on or run clothes lines

>>17775374
>no sloped roof
Are you blind? That roof is very clearly sloped...
>/pol/tards are trying to play armchair carpenter now over African clay houses
just stop bro

>>17775364
>metal pipes and a piece of dimensional lumber
These niggers have home depot and they're still building shit like this?

>>17775407
That one metal pipe sticking out is actually a runoff/drain pipe for the roof

>>17775398
>The building in the back has no exposed wood
You can literally see the end of the wood sticking out of the back lmfao.
>>17775400
Are you blind? That roof is very clearly sloped...
Fucking barely. You would have nice fat fucking pools of water on your roof. Its good if you want a makeshift swimming pool I guess.
>just stop bro
Its okay anon. We both know that European and African abodes aren't even in the same ball park when it comes to craftsmanship or longevity and we both know that Europeans dwellings are significantly better. You don't have to pretend otherwise.

ITT

I like all mudhuts, Bantu and Germanic.

But what, exactly, is the definition of mud?

>>17775281
Slavery gets things done until someone invents a machine that does the same thing a slave does quicker

It's no coincidence that today slavery persists only in low-technology societies

>but what about Qatar slaves
You see low-pay migrant workers in Western countries as well.
That is a warning sign that construction technology is lagging behind compared to other fields

>>17775132 (OP)
>>17775483
That random farmer's hut would have been a palace in the richest African KANGdom lmao

follows the precedent of seminal glory being imbued into European tapestry, siring sovereign shepherds that steered the swine out the proverbial mudhut

>>17775137
>Wattle and Daub is just Cow-shit, straw and mud. These are mudhuts, not wooden houses
The Cowshit was incidental, not actually an official part of the recipe.
The infill “daub” material had to be mixed and kneaded, so cows were routinely used to mix the material be being walked over it, and the cows would poop in it, simply because that is were the cows were when they needed to poop.

>>17775258
>Anon, those white walls aren't wood. Lol. This is exactly what I was talking about
The frame of the houses are heavy timber.
The infill varies, but is usually woven branches, or wood lath, or woven “basketry”, on which the wattle and daube is pasted into and over, which was then covered in plaster or lime wash, and the entire building might then be entirely plastered to hide the wood timber framing.
In some areas, fired brick was even used for the infill, or stone.
Given that this “mud” construction, has in some cases lasted half a millennia, in a wet humid area, with frequent rain, shows that the material chosen was appropriate to the climate, and well chosen.
“African Mud huts” sometimes last as long as well, but usually in a much drier region, much better suited to the survival of basic mud brick.

>>17775148
Are the Germanics in the room with us right now sweatie?

>>17775148
I give you a crash course in sub saharan african racism. When people make fun of blacks for living in huts it's because they're still living in huts despite being surrounded by forests. Don't you think that's odd? They would rather build out of mud/corrugated metal and pallets than build a nice wood house, why? Because there's nobody milling lumber.

Blacks were probably living in grass/palm huts until long after the 4th century AD which is basically the lowest technology you can have outside of aboriginals which only make shaded lean tos.

But the great thing is you don't have to stop there, asian peasants also were living in grass huts even after some west african cultures, so what does that tell you

>>17776468
>When people make fun of blacks for living in huts it's because they're still living in huts despite being surrounded by forests.

do you think the British peasantry who were farmers (and just in case you forgot forms aren't actually in urban areas) do you think those poor farmers were not surrounded by Forest as well?

just admit to the double standard. the frame oven house is only 10% of the house.
you built 90% much structures, and you want to be racist against someone with 100% mud structures lol

>>17776463
TWP clitty leakage at being exposed for living in mudhuts.

you will never be Mediterranean

>>17776449
>The infill varies, but is usually woven branches

you mean like this African huts.

Just admit, that you have a double standard because you like your own people better and you don't care about being objective.

it's okay, just say "European mudhuts are better because fuck the Africans" but all of this cope is insane

reminder, a frame of a house is only 10% of the entire house. in fact, in wattle amd daub is probably more like 5%.

>>17776496
Well there are also literal "mud huts" where nothing is added to the material for strengthening, showing a bridge between shade and rain abating structures. A new question to ask is, who taught blacks to make wattle and daub? Evidence points that most development in western africa prior to european contract came from loose thousand + year old trade relations with traders in the sahel

>>17775148
one mudhut-building nation gave us the industrial revolution and modern medicine while the other still regularly engages in cannibalism

>>17776512
why are you so desperate for europeans to affirm that you aren't a retarded subhuman?

>>17776553
I'm not desperate for anything, if I were truly, who you claim me to be, I would be posting more "advance" pre-colonial african architecture (by Eurocentric standards) to make my point.

instead so far in this thread ive been using the worst of the worst mudhuts ( >>17776505 ) to make my point.

>>17775483
op has been on /his/ for years, he's been larping as a med and seething about people mocking african mudhuts since the late 2010s. there's enough sand in his nigrussy to build the great sand castle of djenne or whatever the fuck that pile of shit is called

>>17776565 (ME)
>>17776553
if this was an insecurity thing i would posting photos more like >>17776565

instead ive been posting >>17776505 so fuck bitch ass white boy

>Romans lived in the stone monuments dedicated to their Gods
Tired of this meme

>>17776550
okay?? i don't know what tf that has to do with this thread but kindly fuck off.

go back to pol or some shit before i start posting white gore and make this into a race war thread

>>17776572
>instead ive been posting >>17776505 so fuck bitch ass white boy
kek did you just have an aneurism there?
>>17776585
BAHAHAHAHA won't be accepted by europeans so he lashes out at them. go ahead, rek your own slide thread you dumb nigger loser.

>>17776568
I didn't make this thread to combat people making fun of African mudhuts. or because im insecure or want validation.

i made this thread to
1. talk about wattle and daub because i recently found out how Medieval houses in the UK were built. I always thought the white parts were legitimate stone painted white

2. to point out the absurdity and audacity of people who erected entire towns from mud (inb4 "muh 5% wooden frame") making fun of another culture for doing the same thing.

>>17776590
I don't even like Europeans, like, Europeans are beneath me.

I am an American, a descendant of us slavery, we built the modern world. Every American reading this KNOWS that our entire ethos as a nation is about circle jerking how we kicked European ass in the revolutionary war and proceeded to build the greatest civilization on earth. you are a vassal of the American empire. my taxes pay for your welfare state, you are my bitch. so lets not forget our roles here.

I am not your typical negro. thank you for exposing yourself as European, i find that hilarious. I always assume I'm speaking to white Americans here...

Maybe the African immigrants in your country want your validation but as a proud American, on Juneteenth. i certainly do not. I don't even have to crash out and post gore like I said i would because thats how little i think of you.

>>17776608
I'll admit I can't tell if this is bait or not, bravo

>>17776505
Not even in the same ballpark anon. European houses, as well as far east asian houses, have the wattle compressed tight as to provide a solid structure. There are massive gaps in the african structure and no joinery.

>>17776623
i agree you're right. I have no problem admitting that the average medieval British peasant wattle and duab home is more impressive.

but I already said this earlier in the thread, people made fun of Africans for the material that they used in their homes.

no one has ever said "Ha ha, Africans lived in houses without frames". NO ONE, it was always "ha ha, Africans lived in mudhuts, they never used stone"

and the people who were saying this, were so bold and audacious, like, as if everyone in the medieval UK lived in homes made from limestone with marble floors imported from Greece because "the heckin wheel" lol.

Me, finding out that the people who talk so much shit, mostly lived in homes made from 90% mud, is crazy to me. (the wooden frames make up 10% of the material used in those houses.)

>>17776651
well people that don't know about wattle and daub are just retarded

>>17776651
>but I already said this earlier in the thread, people made fun of Africans for the material that they used in their homes.
While I have seen Romaboos do so, it has more so to do with their genuinely abysmal construction quality. They are so poorly made that people without any survival skills can genuinely go out into the woods and do better.
>and the people who were saying this, were so bold and audacious, like, as if everyone in the medieval UK lived in homes made from limestone with marble floors imported from Greece because "the heckin wheel" lol.
I mean a large portion of their homes weren't made of clay. The daub was really only infill for the walls due to lime plaster being both hard to work and expensive. The majority of the structure was wood and the exterior was lime plastered either for the infill or the entirety of the building. The interior floors were often made of a type of concrete containing quicklime, ash, clay and hay. The roof was thatched or made of shakes/wooden shingles if you were wealthy or lived in the Americas.
>Me, finding out that the people who talk so much shit, mostly lived in homes made from 90% mud, is crazy to m
Yeah no, not at all. Most of the home is wood as it has rather extensive post/beam framing. Its not south American homes that are made almost entirely of adobe.

>>17776651
See pic rel. Daub makes up such a tiny portion of the whole construction, you probably have more lime plaster in there than the mixture of clay and hay.

>>17775132 (OP)
who didn't start with mudhuts? even the romans were living in mudhuts when the greeks were already developing philosophy, math, and science

it's not about how or even when you start, but what you finish with

>>17775132 (OP)

>>17776791
What's your point

>>17777296
Everyone started and finished with mudhuts until like the 19th century