Where did the Aryans who ruled India come from?


Definitely didnt come from Germany, these Germanic tribes were living as savages during Roman Empire with no civilization worth talking about...So not from Germany


Definitely didnt come from Nordic areas as they were savage vikings too with no grand civilization so Scandinavia is out

Definitely didnt come from Bongs as they were living in mudhuts and bogs when Romans went there to conquer these savages. Bongland is out

So where did these Aryans come from?

>>17776319 (OP)
Unironically from Adam via Seth
All other (sub)human "races" devolved from the line of Cain
Jesus says "I've come but for the lost tribes of Israel" - if they're lost, where did they go?

>>17776319 (OP)
the steppe is like the infinite spawn of aryans

more on the timeline,
andronovo/sintashta, came from the steppe

later timelines
sakae, came from the steppe
yuezhi, came from the steppe
persians, came from the steppe

plus chances are, there are way more migrations that are not talked about or even know by the mainstream

>>17776328
Whites are Japhethites. The other races are children of Noah, but through Ham or Shem.

>>17776319 (OP)
Pontic-Caspian Steppe

>>17776329
>andronovo/sintashta
Dont works for Europeans, all models have failed

Bmac
Check-out my profile

>>17776358

>>17776373
>>17776369
Shitty jeeter nationalism
It's funny how the trash on this profile claims to be impartial and not "nationalist", but when you see his posts, it's pretty clear that he's no different from those he supposedly criticizes, he's just slower and wears masks when he says his trash.

>>17776389
propagandist gonna propagand, that other poster is a batier/troll/whatever, you should never reply to those, because they know exactly what they're doing, they know they're full of shit, but it doesn't matter, they will move goalposts until infinity and post more shitty propaganda, in case you're not a D&C shill yourself, engage with actual anons trying to discuss /his/tory or you're being part of the problem

>>17776319 (OP)
Central Asia. R1a peaks in Afghanistan (51%), Tajikistan (63%) and Kyrgyzstan (64%). Higher than Poland (51%, highest R1a in Europe and where the oldest R1a has been found), Iran (35%, which has always been a J2 majority) and India (where the national average is 26%, but you can see the peak is 48% in populations in the Far North West of India, peaking individually in Kashmiri Brahmin populations which are closer to Central Asia than the rest of India).

>>17776444
Check e'm.

>>17776451
Dasa means slave
>>17776369
>>17776373
>my profile
Of course... Indians spoke IE since the IVC according to your shitty posts, isn't?
And the steppe was mediated by men
>>17776402
This. End of thread

>>17776319 (OP)
From russia/central asia

>>17776488
Using what source? Andronovo? Doesn't match>>17776358

>>17776480
>Dasa means slave
Only in the later Vedic texts, which emphasize devotion to the gods rather than the institution of human slavery, jackass. Cite texts from the RigVeda describing them doing slave labor for the Aryans if you disagree.

>>17776489
Probably mutts of BMAC and indo aryans then went into india

>>17776504
>which emphasize devotion to the gods
Who are the sons of the Slave Vritra, lel.

>>17776444
this reveals the issue quiet transparently, in the pic I mean
I remember checking old haplomaps, apparently thre's some rare R2 in the indian region, so we definitely do not have the whole picture, not to mention that some specific brahmins in specific regions do indeed have hella R1a, which, imo, makes sense as to come from sintashta/andronovo chronographically

>>17776319 (OP)
From Russia.

>Europeans were savage barbarians
So were Aryans. Their arrival marks the end of urban civilization in India. Then some 800-1000 years later the second urbanization started. Aryans probably didn't even have mudhuts, but something closer to yurts.

>>17776504
>Only in the later Vedic texts
The meaning "slave" cannot be a later development. The meaning is required to have been present in Proto-Indo-European since the word has Attic/Ionic Greek cognates δοῦλος (doûlos) "male slave", δούλη (doúlē) "female slave" and Mycenaean Greek cognates 𐀈𐀁𐀫 (do-e-ro /dohelos/) "male slave", 𐀈𐀁𐀨 (do-e-ra) /dohelā/ "female slave".

The development backwards from Greek looks like
Attic/Ionic doûlos "slave"
< Mycenaean do-e-ro /dohelos/ "slave"
< Proto-Greek *dohelos "slave"
< Proto-Indo-European *dos- "slave" (the shared root with Sanskrit dā́sa "slave")

The attached screenshot is from Etymologisches Wörterbuch des Altindoarischen (1992-2001) by Manfred Mayrhofer.

>dā́sā-
>m. A hostile tribe towards the Ā́rya, enemy, hostile demon; slave, servant (RV +, also dā́s- [dā́s- further in RV 6,21,11 dā́sva? cf. AiGr II2, Nachtr. 29, otherwise GeRV II 120, Bai, Dict 155b]; Av = °sí-, slave, maid; MK 1356ff., Mylius [with literature], A. Hildebrandt, ZII 3 [1924] 15ff. = KS 242ff., Hale, Asura 159ff., A. Parpola, StudOr 64 [1988] 209, Ann. [122, 219ff.];
>dā́sī- (f. s.) servile, barbaric, demonic (RV). - Mi., ni., Pā. dāsa- h. as slave, servant, etc. (Tu 6316 [see reference], TuAdd 6316f.). - Ir., Jav.

>>17776654
There were numerous typos in this computer generated translation. I fixed some of them.
>dāsá-
>m. A hostile tribe towards the Ā́rya, enemy, hostile demon; slave, servant (RV +, also dā́sa- [dā́s- further in RV 6,21,11 dásāya? cf. AiGr I2, Nachtr. 29, otherwise GeRV II 120, Bai, Dict 155b]; AV = °sī́-, slave, maid; MK 1356ff., Mylius [with literature], A. Hildebrandt, ZII 3 [1924] 15ff. = KS 242ff., Hale, Asura 159ff., A. Parpola, StudOr 64 [1988] 209, Ann. [122, 219ff.];
>dā́sī- (f. s.) servile, barbaric, demonic (RV). - Mi., ni., Pā. dāsa- h. as slave, servant, etc. (Tu 6316 [see reference], TuAdd 6316f.). - Ir., Jav.

>>17776654
>>17776675
Doulos doesn't even come from PIE.

>Related to Mycenaean Linear B Greek 𐀈𐀁𐀫 (do-e-ro /dohelos/), possibly from Canaanite *dōʾēlu “servant, attendant” (compare Late Babylonian 𒁕𒀝𒂵𒇻 (daggālu, “subject, one who waits on another, does their bidding”)

The Mycenaeans were just like the Minoans with more Steppe, but they already existed before they were J2, a haplo closely linked to R1b because of the Yamnaya's ancestrality relationship with EHG-CHG/Iran_N and King Minos, who gives his name to the Minoan Civilization, being the the adopted son of Asterion, son of Tectamus, son of Dorus, ancestor of the Dorians, aka le most Indo-European Greeks.

>The Pelasgians (pre-Minoan Greeks, or Helladic Greeks) belonged to an admixture of I2, E1b1b, T and G2a. E-V13 and T probably arrived in Greece from the Levant (and ultimately from Egypt, hence the small percentage of T) in the early Neolithic, 8,500 years ago. G2a came from the Levant was picked up in Anatolia along the way by Levantine farmers and herders. Minoan Greeks migrated from Mesopotamia via Anatolia. They were mostly J2 people, but probably had some E1b1b too

>A 2017 archaeogenetics study of mtDNA polymorphisms from Mycenaean and Minoan remains published in the journal Nature concluded that the Mycenaean Greeks were genetically closely related with the Minoans, and that both are closely related, but not identical, to modern Greek populations. The same study also stated that at least three-quarters of DNA of both the Mycenaeans and the Minoans came from the first Neolithic-era farmers that lived in Western Anatolia and the Aegean Sea (Mycenaeans ~74–78%, Minoans ~84–85%) while most of the remainder came from ancient populations related to those of the Caucasus and Iran (Mycenaeans ~8–17%, Minoans ~14–15%)

>>17776988
>Unlike the Minoans, the Mycenaeans had also "4–16% ancestry from a 'northern' ultimate source related to the hunter-gatherers of Eastern Europe and [Upper Palaeolithic] Siberia"; however, Lazaridis et al. admit that they "cannot model Mycenaeans as a mixture of Anatolian Neolithic and steppe populations [...] due to the fact that Mycenaeans have more Iran-related than EHG-related ancestry". Among the Mycenaean samples was found one Y-DNA J2a1, and two mtDNA X2, one X2d and one H

>In their archaeogenetics study, Lazaridis et al. (2017) concluded that the Minoans and the Mycenaean Greeks were genetically highly similar – but not identical – and that modern Greeks descend from these populations, ultimately proving the genetic continuity between these civilizations and modern Greeks. The same study also stated that at least three-quarters of the DNA of both the Mycenaeans and the Minoans came from the first Neolithic-era farmers that lived in Western Anatolia and the Aegean Sea (Mycenaeans ~74–78%, Minoans ~84–85%) while most of the remainder came from ancient populations related to the Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers and Neolithic Iran (Mycenaeans ~8–17%, Minoans ~14–15%)

>The Y-DNA haplogroup of Mycenaeans, J2a1 (in Galatas Apatheia, ca. 1700-1200), shows continuity of haplogroups from Minoan samples, so it does not clarify the potential demic diffusion of Proto-Greeks marked by R1b subclade

>no aqueducts = no ancestors
Can you stop being this dense? Civilization level and genetic heritage are false equivalences.

>>17776504
Wrong, zucoid
Its a proto-indo-european word
Similar with ireland

>>17776988
Greek underwent a sound change from /s/ to /h/, suggesting an ancestral form *doselos. This root resembles the Sanskrit दास (dā́sa), and there is an interesting connection: in ancient Ireland, free men were called "Aryans," while unfree men were associated with the term dā́sa. the word was doír. the same root
>spamming about genetics
>in a indo-aryan thread
You always lost.

>>17776988
>Doulos doesn't even come from PIE.
>>Related to Mycenaean Linear B Greek 𐀈𐀁𐀫 (do-e-ro /dohelos/), possibly from Canaanite *dōʾēlu “servant, attendant”
This little blob of text on Wiktionary is pretty much useless. First of all Canaanite *dōʾēlu is not attested anywhere. That's why there's a * before dōʾēlu.
Second of all, Sanskrit dā́sa and Greek doûlos, Mycenaean /dohelos/ are all relatable through regular sound changes and they all mean the same thing. That's the gold standard for determining if a word is reconstructible to PIE.

There's no explanation given for why the comparison to Babylonian daggālu is preferable to a straightforward PIE etymology. It's not clear if daggālu is even relatable in a formal way instead of just having vague similarities. But even if it were, it wouldn't be possible to dismiss the PIE etymology. Occasionally words appear in Semitic that are similar to PIE words. This could represent a borrowing or it could represent an ancient shared substrate from an unknown source. PIEs could have sold some people slaves for example.

In any case, it's totally out of line to try to debunk such a simple and straightforward PIE etymology with something out of left field like this that doesn't even make the PIE etymology invalid to begin with.

>>17777112
>Ireland
I do not see any caste priest/brahmin at the top, warrior/kshatriya in the upper middle, merchant/vaishya in the lower middle and peasant/shudra at the bottom base in the old Irish caste system. As important as the Rigveda is as the oldest IE sacred text in an attempt to reconstruction/study of the PIE religion, this is still anachronistic because the Vedic caste system comes from the Purusha Sukta in 10 Mandala of Rigveda, the last mandala, which together the 1 Mandala, was composed around 1200–1000 BC, already in the middle of Aryan sedentarization phase. These mandalas have no caste parallel in the previous mandalas (2 to 7), which are older (c. 1500–1300 BC) and were composed by the majority of Aryan tribes defeated in the Battle of the Ten Kings, which still maintained a tribal, warrior religion, with no system of caste or abstract philosophy, and allied themselves with the fucking Dasa and other non-Vedic tribes in a battle against a guy named Sudasa which was only ally of two Aryan tribes.

Mandala 10 brings ideals such as cosmic soul (Purusha), mystical creation and universal order (Rta), elements that make it, in practice, an Upanishad/Vedanta. It directly anticipates posterior Hindu philosophical thinking and is much more influential in classic Hinduism than the rest of Rigveda. In other words, what is seen at the end of the Veda is no longer a PIE religion, but a form adapted to the agricultural, urban and hierarchical lifestyle that the Aryans adopted after migrating.

Because this trying to design the 10 Mandala caste system for the previous PIE religion is forced. PIE people had no coded castes or mystical philosophy, they had a simple, functional religion, facing the sacrifice, tribal gods, and the prestige of the clan. The Arya and Dasa model, which appears in the ancient mandalas as opposition between rival tribes reflects this primitive phase and the nomadic pastoralist way of life of the PIE.

>>17777658
Not reading zucoid spammer****
Me and the other anon just debunked you again

>>17777340
>This little blob of text on Wiktionary is pretty much useless. First of all Canaanite *dōʾēlu is not attested anywhere.
This rat created his own sources

>>17776319 (OP)

Pontic Caspian Steppe, Sintashta are closely related to modern Northern Europeans and surprisingly Gaels due to geographic isolation preventing mixing. It’s apparently a very sensitive anthropological and historical topic to bring up.

>>17776328
>>17776330

Abrahamic “we-wuzzery” amongst Europeans is probably one of the single most embarrassing things I’ve ever come across, grafting yourself into the branch of abraham doesn’t require destroying and changing history to do so.

>>17777658
hue larp, The construction of urban centers and nomadism are not mutually exclusive. Urban centers could be established on suitable land as needed and then migrate along with the populations. This specific point will be the subject of future research
The descriptions found in the Rigveda (RV) that allow us to infer about the way of life of the RV Aryans describe pastoral settlements and occasionally fortifications. However, there is a lack of direct references that suggest that the rishis lived in urban towns or similar. Furthermore, descriptions of settlements and fortifications are scarce compared to the detailed descriptions of homes and domestic spaces.

>>17777658
>In the Purusha Sukta, the 90th hymn of the 10th book of the Rigveda, varna is portrayed as a result of human beings created from different parts of the body of the divinity Purusha. This Purusha Sukta verse is controversial and is believed by many scholars, such as Max Müller, to be a corruption and medieval or modern era insertion into Veda, because unlike all other major concepts in the Vedas including those of Purusha, the four varnas are never mentioned anywhere else in any of the Vedas, and because this verse is missing in some manuscript prints found in different parts of India

>"That remarkable hymn (the Purusha Sukta) is in language, metre, and style, very different from the rest of the prayers with which it is associated. It has a decidedly more modern tone, and must have been composed after the Sanskrit language had been refined." —Henry Thomas Colebrooke

>"There can be little doubt, for instance, that the 90th hymn of the 10th book (Purusha Sukta) is modern both in its character and in its diction. (...) It mentions the three seasons in the order of the Vasanta, spring; Grishma, summer; and Sarad, autumn; it contains the only passage in the Rigveda where the four castes are enumerated. The evidence of language for the modern date of this composition is equally strong. Grishma, for instance, the name for the hot season, does not occur in any other hymn of the Rigveda; and Vasanta also does not belong to the earliest vocabulary of the Vedic poets." —Max Müller,

>"The Purusha Sukta is a later interpolation in the Rig Veda. (...) Verses in the form of questions about the division of Purusha and the origins of the Varnas are a fraudulent emendation of the original." —Babasaheb Ambedkar

>>17777684
The Wiktionary entry cites no sources for the Semitic etymology so nobody can tell where that etymology comes from or why. The sound changes seem unlikely, especially the change of from a geminated velar to glottal stop. The proposed vowel changes from Semitic to Greek don't make sense either. All signs indicate this proposal can be safely dismissed. It can probably even be deleted since a Wiktionary editor made it up or, even worse, it's just vandalism.

>>17777721
India was a shithole for good 1000 years after the Aryans arrived. One of the reason why Indians don't want to admit that such invasion occurred is the absolute lack of material evidence. It's just few primitive pottery shards here and there, no cities (or even settlements), even chariots don't appear in archeological sites.
>After 500 BCE, the so-called "Second urbanisation" started, with new urban settlements arising at the Ganges plain, especially the Central Ganges plain.[114] The foundations for the Second Urbanisation were laid prior to 600 BCE, in the Painted Grey Ware culture of the Ghaggar-Hakra and Upper Ganges Plain; although most PGW sites were small farming villages, "several dozen" PGW sites eventually emerged as relatively large settlements that can be characterized as towns
You know why this phase is called "second urbanization"? Because after the collapse of the Indus Valley civilization no one built any cities in India. This happened largely because of the arrival of Aryans who were primitive nomadic steppe people, not exactly bringers of civilization

>>17777691
>Sintashta are closely related to modern Russians/Slavs
FIFY.

>>17777744

>>17777750
>G25 map
According to also this, the modern people closest to the Yamnaya were Churkas from North Caucasus.

>>17777725
Anon trust me, this rat is literally a liar, use desuarchive.org and see what he does. he often posts studies he hasn't even read or distorts everything, when you look for the citations on green walls, you have two options; 1. it's from some obscure blog, like the thing about a neanderthal connection with black men and white women 2. or genetic studies that he hasn't read and interprets according to his schizophrenic self. for example, I refuted this bastard in another thread about genetics discussion, and he showed himself to be so ignorant, that he used outliers as a basis for his arguments.

>>17777744
>>17777788
Check e'm.

Fun Fact: The discovery of the Yamnaya and Sintashta sites was made by the Soviets, who also made facial reconstructions of them.

>The Yamnaya (/ˈjæmnaJə/ YAM-ny-ə) or Yamna culture (/ˈjæmnə/ YAM-nə), also known as the Pit Grave culture or Ochre Grave culture was discovered by Vasily Gorodtsov following his archaeological excavations near the Donets River in 1901–1903. Its name derives from its characteristic burial tradition: yámnaya (я́мнaя) is a Russian adjective that means 'related to pits' (я́мa, yáma), as these people buried their dead in tumuli (kurgans) containing simple pit chambers

>Vasily Alekseyevich Gorodtsov (Russian: Bacилий Aлeкceeвич Гopoдцoв) (23 March (O.S. 11 March), 1860, village of Dubrovichi, Ryazan Oblast — 3 February 1945, Moscow) was a Russian archaeologist

>Gorodtsov was an honorary or full member of more than twenty scientific organisations connected with archaeology, natural sciences or folklore. He participated in excavations until the late 1930s and accumulated a record of over 200 publications. He was awarded Distinguished Scientist of the Soviet Union in 1929 and doctor of historical sciences in 1935. Vasily Gorodtsov was also the recipient of the Order of Lenin

>Mikhail Mikhaylovich Gerasimov (Russian: Mихaи́л Mихáйлoвич Гepácимoв; 2 September 1907 – 21 July 1970) was a Soviet archaeologist and anthropologist who discovered the Mal'ta–Buret' culture and developed the first technique of forensic sculpture based on findings of anthropology, archaeology, paleontology, and forensic science. He studied the skulls and meticulously reconstructed the faces of more than 200 people, ranging from the earliest excavated homo sapiens and neanderthals, to the Middle Ages' monarchs and dignitaries, including emperor Timur (Tamerlane), Yaroslav the Wise, Ivan the Terrible, and Friedrich Schiller

>>17777731
After being refuted, the tropical larp has to change the statement of the conversation itself and not respond to my arguments, instead, using chauvinism and a cheap straw man fallacy
Lol
your argument was how the other anon was wrong because the ridveda supposedly has an agricultural bias, therefore "urban", as opposed to nomadism, although this dichotomy is not even a universal continuum, which is not the case with the rigveda. but this is my last one to send you to hell for good, let's refute the gay-faced tropical insect??
1/2
Tropical rat, to begin with, from books 1 to 9 ***there is*** not a single direct reference that indicates that the poets would live in urban centers. furthermore, the Rigveda is not a textbook or some kind of uncritical compiler, it was highly poetic and probably recited by religious elites orally, so With very loose criteria you could try to infer interpretations of urbanism from metaphors. You are welcome to prove the opposite.
Methaphors such as having a thousand doors/pillars and the like are not substantial evidence for urbanisaton.
the "Urban" part is completely unsupported. Old Iranians also had houses
https://sokm.org.ru/21-selishche-epokhi-bronzy-srubnaya-kultura#
and even big settlements (Check-out arkaim)

>>17777805
>The Sintashta culture is a Middle Bronze Age archaeological culture of the Southern Urals, dated to the period c. 2200–1900 BCE. It is the first phase of the Sintashta–Petrovka complex, c.2200–1750 BCE. The culture is named after the Sintashta archaeological site, in Chelyabinsk Oblast, Russia, discovered and first excavated by Vladimir Fedorovich Gening, who co-authored the foundational monograph "Sintashta: Archaeological Monuments of the Aryan Tribes of the Ural-Kazakhstan Steppes" (Cинтaштa: Apхeoлoгичecкиe пaмятники apийcких плeмён Уpaлo-Кaзaхcтaнcких cтeпeй, 1992)

>Vladimir Fedorovich Gening ( May 10, 1924, Podsosnovo – October 30, 1993, Kiev ) was a Soviet and Ukrainian archaeologist , founder of the Sverdlovsk school of archaeologist

>Born in the Altai region. During the Great Patriotic War, as an ethnic German, he was in the labor army

>After the war, he entered and graduated from the Faculty of History and Philology at Perm University. He studied the methods and techniques of archaeological excavations under the guidance of the famous archaeologist O. N. Bader. After graduating, he worked at a school and then at the Udmurt Republican Museum

>In 1960-1974 he taught at the history department of the Ural State University in Sverdlovsk. Here in 1961, on the initiative of V. F. Gening, the Ural Archaeological Expedition (UAE) was created, which accumulated, systematized and partially put into circulation a huge amount of material characterizing the economic activity, life, and culture of the indigenous population of the region in the Bronze and Iron Ages

>Under the leadership of V. F. Gening, since 1961, the history department of Ural State University began to specialize in archeology, and in 1968 a contractual scientific research archaeological laboratory was opened

>>17777825
2/3
tropical rat, read the verse (RV 3.1.7) as it implies settlement, **but** uses a simile that suggests temporariness. this verse can be a good starting point for the retarded arguments that rats like you use, and jeets use (what's the difference..?)
There are several references in the RV hymns that supposedly refer to "settled peoples", "domains" or "settlements", which may suggest that these poets lived a sedentary lifestyle.However, it is important to continue studying these references in their context as a human being to better understand the implications and nature of these settlements, considering BOTH the elements that accompany them and the similes used.
A serious and unbiased Yoruba and more in-depth analysis of these terms and contexts provides valuable clues about the poets’ culture and its relationship with the environment and what it actually represented. For example, rat, the hymns frequently refer to Agni, who is established in the settlements (2.2.3), and to Mitra and Varuna, who are lords of the settlements (5.66.2). In addition, the poets mention the search for pasture and water (6.47.20) and expansion into new domains (3.34.7, 8.97.20, 6.49.15). The settlements described in the RV are established in conjunction with access to water and pasture, and that their nature is temporary. The poets’ culture seems to be based on animal husbandry, and their lifestyle is influenced by this activity. Expansion into new territories seems to be motivated by the need for new pastures. In conclusion, I believe that the RV poets were not settled in urban centers during the textual period, at least not during the period in which these texts were composed. Furthermore, I think they were aware of each other's locations. Later settlements may have developed if the location proved optimal, but that is not relevant to the initial question

>>17777853
>as an ethnic German
Like Helena Petrovna Hahn von Rottenstern.

>>17777870
3/3
to leave this thread with your humiliation in my pale hands over your sausage lips, we conclude that the implications highlighted based on the previous verses are that settlements, in the context of the Rigveda, are being actively established in conjunction with access to water and pasture. Furthermore, I would encourage you to stop hunting jaguars, and do a deeper study of the terminology used. or even etymology, apparently you use false etymological sources and the two anons have denounced your falsification.
The implications I wish to highlight based on the previous verses are that settlements, in the context of the Rigveda, are being actively established in conjunction with access to water and pasture. Furthermore, I would encourage a deeper study of the terminology used. As an example, I would argue that the term "domains" is used with a broader regional connotation. This can be seen in verses such as:
3.34.7:
Through combat Indra with his greatness created a wide realm for the gods, he the master of settlements, filling the bordered domains...
8.97.20: That’s the Vrtra-smiter—Indra, sustainer of the settled domains...
6.49.15: Now to us give wealth in chariots, filling the settled domains, consisting of many heroes, the heirs of great truth; give ageless peaceful dwelling (and that) with which we will trample upon the (other) peoples, the godless contenders, with which we will take on the godless clans.
RV describes continued expansions into new domains, peacefull and violent, and active establishment of new settlements. These settlements are dependant on water and pasture, and their nature is thus temporary. The culture of the poets is based on animal herding, no daubt about that, and as such the lifestyle is aswell, meaning that groups of people move with animals, and settle wherever the animals can thrive

>>17777825
>>17777870
>>17777902
>words words words and does not cite any early archaeological site that remained from IVC that the Aryans could have used or early archaeological Vedic site
I accept your defeat.

holy shit, the brazilian guy and his le bmac superior we wuz fire sacraded n shiez lovers always get BTFO'd in the threads, I wonder if they are the same being or a personified junca of human dementia? anyway, none of them have any credibility and there is no consistency in almost anything. Both looks like these strange xiiter jeets accounts who talk about genetics, history and "IE stuff" like this one>>17776373
And this poop literally said the bmac brought the IE languages to iranians peoples kek


>>17777788
Wrong, stop pretending that you know anything besides some shitty models
Yamnaya had less tha 40% CHG (famale mediated)
Related pic
>>17776319 (OP)
Tajikistan and Uzbekistan

>>17777925
Vahadou's Multi Source-Target Admixture JS does not detect real ancestry, but rather forces a mathematical model based only on the similarity of the genetic vectors provided, that is, the result depends 100% on the sources you choose and the order/position in which you insert them. If you input any source models, it will always model the highest one as the one with the highest DNA percentage in the target model, even if genetically, geographically and chronologically this does not make sense. The algorithm is simply trying to minimize the Euclidean distance between the target and the reference sources, not to calculate true ancestry. Furthermore, the position of the groups in the list also influences the model, which has already been noticed by several Vahaduo users, showing that the first groups tend to be favored in the modeling if they are loosely compatible.

This means that you can manipulate the results by just changing the order of the provided ancestors. Therefore, any debate that relies solely on this as proof of genetic makeup is invalid: it may be useful as an exploratory or illustrative tool, but it is not definitive evidence of ancestry, especially when we are talking about populations that we do not yet have hundreds of samples from. Using Vahaduo alone as an argument is like trying to see the color of something in the dark using a red light flashlight, the results are biased by the tool itself.

>>17777924
Brazilian defeated by someone who read these shitty old oral traditions KEK
seethe, and go cry to your magical blacks kek
>>17777805
Wrong. They were described as europid

my guess:
>OP poses as a legit interest in discussion
>it's actually a poorly disguised excuse to spam "the usual" propaganda against aryans
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>>17778251
Cope. I spoke more about who the Dasa were than about the Aryans.

>>17778583
In the RigVeda, they and the Dasyu are described as:

>amánuṣa (अमानुष, “non-sons of Manu/humans”),
>ajabām (अजभाम्, “armless”)
>bahvṛkáṇa (बहुवृकण, “noseless”)
>ahi (अहि, “serpents”)
>víṣa (विष, “poisonous”)
>kṛṣṇá tvác (कृष्ण त्वच्, “dark ones”)
>gopati/gómant (गोपति / गोमन्त्, “lords of cattle”)
>śúbra-śīrṣa (शुभ्र-शीर्ष, “adorned/shining head”)
>dṛḷhá pur (दृढ पुर्, “with solid fortresses”)
>śatáhimá/śatám aghám (शतहिमा / शतम् अघम्, “possessors of a hundred riches”)
>śatá-vā́jaḥ (शत-वाद्, “possessors of many goods/food”)
>ániḍ (अनिड्, “voiceless/mantra”)
>abrahmá (अब्रह्मा, “without Brahmin”)
>ayajvānaḥ (अयज्वानः, “non-ritual sacrificers”)
>asatyá (असत्य, “false”)
>anṛtá (अनृत, “against the ṛta”)
>śíśna-devāḥ (शिश्न-देवाः, “phallic worshippers”),
>mṛdhá (मृध, “hostiles”)
>māyávīn / māyinaḥ (मायाविन्, “masters of magic/illusion”)

Studying Proto-Indo-European (PIE) mythology and reading the RigVeda it becomes clear that the Dasa refers to the *Deh2nu. In several Indo-European myths the river/water deities *deh2nu-s or *dhonu-s are opposed to the gods or heroes, related to *h2ner(t)-'virile strength, man. These who serve the chaos monster/dragon/serpent in the Proto-Indo-European myth, NgWhi, whose name means “Negation” and is said to always be represented as having a quality of multiplicity, lives on a mountain/hill (fortress) as opposed to the steppes, stealing cattle and controlling the distribution of water.

>>17776615
This, the more steppe blood you had the more uncivilized you were, Greece and Rome had the lowest amount of steppe among Europeans and they were the ones with actual advanced civilizations, the northern steppoids were backward illiterate mudhut dwellers.
I'm pretty sure the EEF had way better civilizations than the steppe ''aryans'', they just were worse at warfare. It was basically like a proto-version of the later mongol invasions across China, Persia, Russia, etc

>>17778637
>In the RigVeda, they and the Dasyu are described as:
>
>amánuṣa (अमानुष, “non-sons of Manu/humans”),
According to Tacitus, Germanic tribes claimed descent from a god named Mannus.
amánuṣa sounds like a way to say "non-Indo-European" person since only IEs would share descent from Manu.

>Studying Proto-Indo-European (PIE) mythology and reading the RigVeda it becomes clear that the Dasa refers to the *Deh2nu.
These words are etymologically unrelated.

>>17778662
anon... read here>>17777802
this idiot literally has 0 (zero) credibility. he comments on things he doesn't understand and mostly cites distorted or misinterpreted sources at best, or falsifies them
there is an anon here who creates some PIE cognate tables and when he debated with this worm yesterday, he noticed that the words used simply didn't exist or didn't have a traceable lexical source. see how others here refuted him about the Rigveda itself. and remember that he apparently worships black Cuban deities

>>17777698
>european
Its schizo americans

>>17778251
>muh aryans
Stfu faggot

>So where did these Aryans come from?

Possibly Iran.

>>17776319 (OP)
>Where did the Aryans who ruled India come from?
The Caucasus, hence the term "Caucasian". These tribes from the Caucasus spread out east, west and and south and established most ancient civilizations. The south was warmer and supported agriculture while western Europe was in a mini-ice age so those tribes didn't advance until much later when the climate warmed, but they did increase in intelligence due to the harsh environment. The tribes that went east and south established great civilizations that declined when the ruling white elite got mudded out from race mixing. This explains the rise and fall of ancient civilizations and why they emerged in places that are now populated by utterly incompetent brown populations that can accomplish nothing.

>>17778926
>The Caucasus
Wrong******
Shitty****
Post****
the IE component came from Ukraine, the only Churka thing were the women that the PIE ancestors kidnapped in the Eneolithic.
moreover, the branch that became Indo-Aryan comes from Andronovo, which in turn comes ultimately from "pre-proto-Indo-Iranian", which was probably Fatyanovo and so on. the Indo-Aryans began their migrations south of Andronovo and reached India via Tajikistan

>>17778926
Retarded amerimutt nigger
Caucasus people arent IE
They are J/G and speak Caucasian/Kartvelian languages
Only armos are IE or part IE

>>17778926
Is this what insanely delusional nordishitters tell themselves to cope ahahah, the fact that the climate was slightly colder in western Europe than in Italy and Greece is why we were illiterate mudhut shitters for millennia lmfao, so fucking pathetic

>>17776319 (OP)
They were Polish.
>steppe dwellers
>massive horse lads
>speak proto-Slavo-Sarmatian
>aristocratic

>>17776319 (OP)
Every Germanic tribe are loose descendent of Scythians. The Aryans who ruled India are likewise of Scythian descent.
>have horses
>warlike culture
>use your superior travel technology of said horse breeding to quickly conquer territory from Greece to China
>fracture because you’re an extremely decentralized, loose confederation of horse warriors constantly trying to ‘prove’ yourself against others
>your cousins in the territories you had jurisdiction over choose to stay in the territory they’re in
It’s really that simple. Read Scythian Empire.

>>17779379
It goes before that though. The people that invaded europe, northern parts of the middle east, iran, central asia and India all predate scythia. Infact these people were the ancestors of the scythians. Some poeple call them the proto indo europeans. Some people call them the yamnaya. Some people call them western pastoralists. Some call them the aryans.

Either way, their birthplace was ukraine/southern Russia. From there they spread all over Eurasia. They spread the genes r1b and r1a everywhere. All kf their decendents live throughout Eurasia and the americas from European immigration. One of their decendents are the scythians/saka.