> It was a time of great difficulty. Things were collapsing all around: the army was falling apart, becoming an unbridled horde of Bolsheviks, the bearers of the honor of the Russian Army—officers—were dying, killed brutishly by their own soldiers, cultural estates were plundered, the former power of Russia was dissipating like smoke. The native country was rapidly replacing its past virtues, which it could proudly display before the world, with the shame of the vile Judeo-Bolshevik yoke it had madly imposed upon itself.

- V. A. Kislycyn, "In the Fire of the Civil War" (1936)

There is so much interesting history out there that has never appeared in English.

>>17776951 (OP)
White chud sore that he lost
Russia before the revolution was a backwards feudal shithole, after turning revolution it became an industrial superpower

>>17776987
What an insane takeaway from a personal memoir of a combatant.

>>17776951 (OP)
>RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY CAN'T I PARASITE OFF OF THE SERFS ANYMORE
Reactards and landlords are the biggest allies of the jews, because by shrieking every time about judeo-bolshevism when the people try to free themselves they condition the masses to regard all accusations against the jews as lies.

>>17777427
Kislitsin was a soldier for pretty much all of his life. He didn't parasite off of anybody.

>>17777427
Serfdom was abolished in 1863.
It's always funny how the commie propaganda worked. The Russian empire just prior to WW1 was one of the fastest growing economies in the world, with extremely strong demographic growth, record harvests following record harvests and industrialisation so rapid that a slow pivot of Britain towards alliance with Germany just to contain it has started(didn't come to fruition because of the war).
Meanwhile commies are stuck with le feudal serfdom memes. Imagine being this backwards.

>>17777864
Russia is still a feudal system. Serfdom is in the dna

>>17777864
Serfdom had been nominally abolished but the landless peasants had to pay ridiculous amounts of debts to the former landlords. You're such a liar assuming that I don't know my stuff.

>>17777033
That book was obviously written by a White butthurt about having lost.
>>17777864
Imperial Russia lost to a barely industrialized Japan. That should tell you everything you need to know about Tsarist Russia being a great power.

>>17776951 (OP)
''Judeo-Bolshevik'', yeah this guy was a retard

By the way, there was a letter of an american soldier sent to fight the Bolsheviks during the allied invasion in the russian civil war and he wrote that seeing the inequality and poverty of the peasants contrasted with the detachment and privilege of the nobility throwing feasts and balls everyday while the peasants were starved and destitute that even he, who was sent to fight for the whites, was tempted to join on the side of the bolsheviks, which is what most of Russia did.

>in December 1919, members of the British Military Mission in South Russia were supporting the White general Pyotr Wrangel, at that time retreating from the revolutionary Red Army in Ukraine. A British sergeant witnessed the savage violence of the counter-revolution:

>''The whole army is running hard and not fighting at all. Wrangel is hanging people all over the place…[for three nights running] men and women accused of being pro-Bolsheviks [were] hanged in the town square. They were not given a drop, but were simply strung up, and drunken Cossacks hewed their arms and legs off with their swords, while the wretched people were still alive.''

>>17778604
>The ferocity of White hatred for Jews and Bolsheviks—seen by them as synonymous—resulted in horrific pogroms. One estimate has the Whites being responsible for 200,000 Jewish dead, 700,000 maimed and 300,00 orphans.12 The worst of it was in Ukraine. General Anton Denikin’s White armies, ascendant in the south from July to December 1919, directly killed 8,000 Jews in just this six-month period alone. Eyewitnesses stressed how “methodical” the White pogroms were. Reid documents that the British government was fully aware of what was going on. Unlike some historical accounts, Reid does not take at face value the condemnations of the pogroms by government ministers or their telegram appeals to Denikin to stop them.13 Reid’s assessment:

>For the British government, in short, Denikin’s massacres and mass rapes were a side issue, only of serious concern in so far as they caused political embarrassment. The admonitory telegrams were gestures, not taken seriously and not expected to be. At no stage did the government tell Denikin that unless the pogroms ceased it would withdraw military aid, nor did it even consider doing so. On the contrary, right up to his final defeat new loans and deliveries continued to flow.

>Certain that they faced extermination if the Whites remained, the Jews of the Ukraine turned to the Bolsheviks, who shot pogromists and outlawed antisemitic writings. From time to time, sporadic pogroms occurred in areas held by the Reds to be sure, but when compared with the tens of thousands of murders by the Whites, the few hundred pogrom deaths that Jews suffered in Bolshevik-held territory left few among them in doubt that Lenin’s regime offered better chances for survival. It therefore was no accident that entire Jewish settlements began to follow Red Army units when they retreated rather than face the tender mercies of Denikin’s soldiers.

>>17778539
>That book was obviously written by a White butthurt about having lost.
You don't know anything about it because this is the first time a passage has ever been shared in English. He's a soldier lamenting the loss of his country.

>>17778604
>A British sergeant witnessed the savage violence of the counter-revolution:
Which one? This sounds like Bolshevik propaganda to me. They wanted to make Gen. Wrangel seem like a barbarian.

>>17778534
It is explicitly not the same as serfdom, they were operating on leased soil and paying rent rather than being in hereditary debt and paying with work.
>>17778539
>Imperial Russia lost to a barely industrialized Japan.
It really shows how smart you are when you limit your understanding of warfare to whoever has more factories wins. It's kind of a shame that a man who shared your brain damage(Marc Bloch) didn't survive the second world war because it would be interesting to see the cope he would write to "save" his life's work.
Russia had dysfunctional fleet(in relation to an island nation) that couldn't relieve port Arthur and supplying troops in Manchuria was difficult for reasons that should be obvious to anyone who knows where the population centres in Russia are concentrated.

>>17776987
>after turning revolution it became an industrial superpower
such a superpower that it collapsed in 50 years

>>17778693
Maurice Howgrave-Graham diary. Yeah brits and americans sent to fight for the Whites were doing ''bolshevik propaganda'' now, you have brainworms

>>17776951 (OP)
>its past virtues, which it could proudly display before the world
Russia did not have good virtues or quality of life under monarchy, it did not obtain them during communism, and it doesn't have them under oligarchy

>>17778734
>Yeah brits and americans sent to fight for the Whites were doing ''bolshevik propaganda'' now, you have brainworms
Yeah, the Bolsheviks never engaged in propaganda programs nor did they ever torture anyone lmfao

>>17776987
>Russia before the revolution was a backwards feudal shithole, after turning revolution it became an industrial superpower
Commies are so historically illiterate they don't even know Imperial Russia had a proletariat precisely because it was already had an industrial revolution that abolished serfdom before the Bolsheviks even existed.

>>17778734
The Brits actually fought with the Bolsheviks, at times, to fight the whites you retard. You don't even know basic history. You probably think the whites wanted to restore the monarchy too because you're that dumb and illiterate about Russian history.

>>17778773
Proofs?

>>17778714
>hair splitting about serfdom
Your pilpul is more talmudic than any judeo Bolshevik.

>>17778773
Some of the Whites did want to restore the monarchy.

>>17778764
What the fuck are you talking about? Those are from letters by british/american soldiers sent back to their families while they were in Russia in their military camps, they weren't captive of the bolsheviks, you are mentally ill willing to construct your own delusional mental lore instead of acknowledging reality. The Whites were deeply unpopular both with the Russian people and even with the western Allies who were sent there to help them, because they saw how incompetent and hated they were for their heinous actions, there were mutinies all over the place, to the point even the western allies started mutinying and switching side:

>Things really started to fall apart for the allied forces when mutinies broke out amongst their own troops. The French had despatched 45,000 soldiers to Odessa in December 1918 to overthrow the Bolsheviks and recover the huge investments they had made in Tsarist Russia. Red Army attacks and anti-Intervention sentiment back home forced prime minister Georges Clemenceau into a complete reversal of policy, ordering a total evacuation from Odessa in April 1919. It was then, along the Black Sea coast at Sebastopol, that a full-scale French naval mutiny broke out. Reid writes:

>Hosing unpopular officers out of their cabins, they announced that they would no longer fire on the Bolsheviks, nor obey any other orders until a date was fixed for their return home. The next morning, to loud cheers, the Red Flag replaced the French tricolour at the two ships’ jack-staffs, and some five hundred French sailors went ashore and joined a pro-Bolshevik demonstration…the crews of all the other French ships in harbour also tore down their tricolours.

>>17778869
This review and these quotes are from a socialist website. Let's drop the posturing for a minute: are you a socialist?

>>17778887
A National Socialist.

>>17778887
Nope it's from a book, moron. ''A Nasty Little War: The West's Fight to Reverse the Russian Revolution'' and it was written by a british historian, not some tankie

Are you so mentally deluded that you think all the testimonials and quotes in the book with their footnote references were invented by the author to do some posthumous ''bolshevik propaganda''? You seriously need to take your meds

>>17778944
The literal quotes you posted are from a socialist website reviewing the book. Are you fucking mental? Answer the question.

>>17778780
Read, retard, read.
>>17778805
No? The dude who created the white movement was the guy forced Nicholas to step down. Nobody in the white movement wanted the family back.

>>17778734
>>17778604
Why would anyone care about the savagery of the White Army when the Bolsheviks were using chemical weapons on peasants and shooting striking workers? The peasants were doing poorly because Lenin was doing that, along forced conscription and stealing food. Plus, hanging for having food and not giving it to the red army. The whites had food because the Bolsheviks couldn't take from well-armed, military personal. They had to rob the poor to fund their bandit army.

>>17778780
Just look it up, man. The British occupied several port cities during the war and their officers trained White Army men. The British had economic interests in Russia and also basically controlled the oil industry at the time.

>>17779185
There was a lot of savagery but what the Bolsheviks were promising to a bunch of starving workers and peasants was more attractive than the Whites, who were not a uniform group.

>>17779221
The workers and peasants were starving the because the communists caused a famine and used war communism to take their food.
And, Bolsheviks terrorized peasants with the Cheka.
They were bad, if the whites won, Russia would have been off by all metrics.
Not even the current regime of Russia agrees the Bolshevik coup was good, and it wasn't.
None of my Russian friends do either.
You are clearly a retard, dude.

Awful lot of bolsheviks on here.

>>17779221
The main appeal of the November revolution was a speedy end to the war, but the Bolsheviks instead delayed it anticipating some kind of global revolution, prompting the Germans to begin an offensive into the Ukraine and take the breadbasket for themselves. Barely a year after the excitement of the revolution and the red army began looting village granaries.

Very quickly the red army ceased to be "revolutionary" in any meaningful sense of the world. Lenin was effectively a warlord in command of an army of mutineers in a state of desperation, fear and paranoia. If you served them your family would have bread, but if you deserted you would face the Cheka who killed something in the order of several 100k over the course of the war. The needs of the peasants were not a consideration beyond pressing their sons into service. They promised utopia, or at least an end to the war, and instead reduced Russia to the most base and brutal hierarchy and prolonged the mayhem for years.

>>17779305
>Not even the current regime of Russia agrees the Bolshevik coup was good, and it wasn't.
Yes, the current regime in Russia doesn't like the Bolsheviks. Still, they won.

>>17779899
Did they? General Wrangel was risen in 1991.