>Pletho = Plato
has this ever actually been debunked?

>>17777392 (OP)
He took on the name Plethon later in life. It's been debunked by the fact that he spent years in Italy and is well documented. Despite the lies about Byzantines all being boring Christians, they still kept and read Plato. There is a well documented Platonists school during the Komnenos regime 300 years before Plethon. I assume you just watched a 15 minute YouTube video?

>>17777411
>there is a well documented Platonists school during the Komnenos regime 300 years before Plethon
when you say well documented..

>>17777411
Christianity is Platonism for the people

>>17777392 (OP)
Probably the references to Plato in works before the 1400s

>>17777392 (OP)
Pletho has a theta in it, you see.

>>17777535
later forgeries

>>17777437
Anna Komnenos was paying for it

>>17777556
The earliest Plato fragments are literally from the classical period.

>>17777754
when you say "literally"

>>17777411
That's true but his birth name Gemiston actually has the exact same meaning as Plethon - whole. His name was literally Gregory Whole Whole.

>>17777840
nta but we have papyri of Plato from antiquity

>>17777863
what does it say?

>>17777867
>Nine consecutive columns from a papyrus roll containing Plato’s dialogue Phaedrus (242d–244e). In the format of an Oxford Classical Text these nine columns would occupy three pages (the entire dialogue fills 67 pages, or roughly 25 times the length of the preserved papyrus). The lines are short in proportion to the height of column. At the end of many lines the scribe added a complementary sign (dash or dot) in order to produce a uniform right-hand margin. Accents, breathings, and elision marks were inserted by a second hand, who also introduced corrections. But the corrector failed to observe many obvious errors, and inserted many variants not otherwise recorded, most of them inferior to those normally adopted. Of special note are the ‘double commas’ in the second column, lines 21ff. (243a), marking a quotation from the poet Stesichorus addressed to Helen of Troy (Poetarum Melicorum Graecorum fragmenta fr. 192, ed. Davies), written as prose:

>‘That story has no truth in it, and you never even went on the well-benched ships, and you never set foot in the tower of Troy.’

>In the fifth column the coronis marks the end of a section.
The Oxyrhynchus Papyri vol. XVII no. 2102

>>17777872
where was it found?

>>17777392 (OP)
>Pletho
All he's done was reintroduced Platonism to the west by giving us correct copies, and we know these are copies, because his versions matched the quotations made by Latin authors in Greek, which as such could not have been edited by the Christian copyists in the West

We do actually have knowledge about periods before our own. Not nearly as much as we'd like, but we do. Marcus Aurelius literally cites both Plato and Socrates in his Meditations.

>>17777890
Oxyrhynchus. It's in the name man.

>>17777892
>Meditations
which ofc we just for a fact know isn't a later text

>>17777909
Are you aware most of these documents still predate Plethon, with several classical texts surviving in Carolingian era manuscripts? Sure the Latin West might not have had access to Plato's original works but they still had Latin summaries written by Boethius

>>17778524
No he's not aware. He watched a tartaria video on YouTube that told him 1000 years was added to the calendar, the Roman empire was actually Russian and ended in 1850, which was really 850.